Killing clerics?

[david99]

Anyone know how to kill a cleric?

As a sorcerer I run out of a mana, while they are still at 80%.
As a shaman I run out of mana and can't deal enough damage to them.

I can't even kill a cleric 4 levels lower than me! At BEST I have to run away once I'm low on mana. And yes, they can do a fair amount of damage (nukes)! Especially for a class has access to the BEST armor and the BEST heals.

Yet both shamans and sorcerers continue to get nurfed.

Pfft.

[karanji]

Yea I am a warrior lvl 20, and I have tried everything... Clerics are way to overpowered... Leave it to Sigil to hop on this though. They are busy renaming abilities, and holding board meetings to discuss the proper animation for leap attack.

Steal from WoW, give each class the abilities it needs and make the game fun. While you are at it, you may want to fix the whole problem with grouping, invites, loot bugs, d/c from group chat, YEA from a game that Sigil said is 60% group XPing... they really dropped the ball on making it run properly.

[nathaniels]

clerics are so uber they worship themselves.

[Gutmonger]

clerics are so uber they worship themselves.

Once they nerf the invulerability they will go down very easy.

[kraznor]

Once they nerf the invulerability they will go down very easy.

Invulnerability isn't the problem.

[Faite]

Invulnerability isn't the problem.

First of all its not about nerfing clerics, I am playing one right now and she is not all that strong in PVE. What needs to happen is other classes need more ways of dealing with clerics and for the record I believe the invulnerability has a 10 min cool down. Pretty much like paladins in WOW.

In fact these clerics are A LOT like Paladins in WOW.

A heavy plate wearing healer with invulnerability. But as we all know if we played WOW, paladins can be brought down its just a bit of a pain in the arse.

So, what needs to happen is other classes need to be given ways to take them down.

If you nerf them noone and I do mean NOONE will play them because they are only barely interesting to play as it stands...seriously, they may be some sort of god (I havent seen it but I believe ya lol) but they are a bit of a boring class, nothing too exciting...just very bland.

The only thing that gives mine any kind of flavor at all is I made her a DE for the fun pet and did that because otherwhise I might die of boredom playing a cleric.

Anyway guys just keep in mind........they will fine tune thngs and maybe your damage needs to go up or maybe they will find a way to nerf clerics without nerfing them out of playability (as i said damn boring already)

[Daroc Darkblood]

What happened to counterspelling in PvP in Vanguard?

I have never seen it pop-up in PvP while it works perfectly in PvE...

[Faite]

What happened to counterspelling in PvP in Vanguard?

I have never seen it pop-up in PvP while it works perfectly in PvE...

Daroc that might be one way to balance it without removing the 'flavor' of the healing class. As I have said, clerics are VERY boring....don't count on much of anyone playing them if they are nerfed very badly.

My main is a shaman but I play a cleric, trust me, she is hard to keep interest in due to her lack of exciting abilities. Is ok, but basically with a nerf would be just about unbearable.

[Carni]

Anyone know how to kill a cleric?

anyone know how to kill with a cleric?

see, cause i tried to kill a nerfed shaman and he just ran away

so then i tried to kill a nerfed sorcerer but i got snared or rooted or something and then the guy waved his arms and i couldn't see him

[kraznor]

anyone know how to kill with a cleric?

see, cause i tried to kill a nerfed shaman and he just ran away

so then i tried to kill a nerfed sorcerer but i got snared or rooted or something and then the guy waved his arms and i couldn't see him

Melee. Use your mana and health regen abilities and only use your mana to heal yourself. You will slice through casters and beat on melee that can't heal themselves. You man not catch a sorc or nec due to snare, but they will not kill you either.

The only class I see giving clerics fits in PvP is prolly rangers who can snare and plunk arrows from far off. Even then you'll run out of stamina way before the cleric runs out of mana.

A cleric that travels with another tank or even another dps class is simply godly in pvp.

[Riv]

Melee. Use your mana and health regen abilities and only use your mana to heal yourself. You will slice through casters and beat on melee that can't heal themselves. You man not catch a sorc or nec due to snare, but they will not kill you either.

The only class I see giving clerics fits in PvP is prolly rangers who can snare and plunk arrows from far off. Even then you'll run out of stamina way before the cleric runs out of mana.

A cleric that travels with another tank or even another dps class is simply godly in pvp.

LOL I play a ranger and tbh the snare is a joke. It realy doesn't slow people down enough for me to escape them to get into decent bow range (there isn't enough room to run and shoot safely without agroing some mob in the area) and even if I get a way I only stand a chance with the bow if I get lot's of chains because I have only one decent damage raged shot besides the chain and that can only be used out of combat. So that means that I would most likely run out of endurance and eventually arrows before a cleric would die.

[Rulan]

Anyone know how to kill a cleric?

Bring friends

[Serosha]

Bring friends
That and wait till they are soloing a 3 dot mob, seems to work for people that jump me ;)

[Roguefox]

That and wait till they are soloing a 3 dot mob, seems to work for people that jump me ;)

ain't that the truth. seems the only time i'm attacked is when i'm fighting a mob. for some reason, DK's give me the biggest fits, most everything else i just keep healing myself and try to get within melee range(using root when possible) and they can't touch me much.

[ismaris]

Yeah, we're a bit overpowered in PvP I suppose. They'll tweak it...things will balance out, just give it time.

[Sune]

Yeah, we're a bit overpowered in PvP I suppose. They'll tweak it...things will balance out, just give it time.

My cleric is still sub 20, but I'm trying to figure out how we are overpowered?

Yeah it's harder for others to kill us, but my dps hits like a baby with a rattle. Heck between Necro pet lag exploits and psion's using their perma stun I've been killed enough.

[Faite]

My cleric is still sub 20, but I'm trying to figure out how we are overpowered?

Yeah it's harder for others to kill us, but my dps hits like a baby with a rattle. Heck between Necro pet lag exploits and psion's using their perma stun I've been killed enough.

Had a shaman 1 level higher attack me today and I could not dent his hit points, but I could keep up healing the damage he did to me.

Was basically rock vs rock. He ran when I pulled out the dark elf pet....but he probably eventually could have beat me.

[ZakzimusMaximus]

Anyone know how to kill a cleric?

As a sorcerer I run out of a mana, while they are still at 80%.
As a shaman I run out of mana and can't deal enough damage to them.

I can't even kill a cleric 4 levels lower than me! At BEST I have to run away once I'm low on mana. And yes, they can do a fair amount of damage (nukes)! Especially for a class has access to the BEST armor and the BEST heals.

Yet both shamans and sorcerers continue to get nurfed.

Pfft.

Chaos Volley, think of a cleric like a 4 dot mob you just need to take him down once hes dead all the dmg you did to yourself doesnt matter.

Sorcerer friend of mine does this to me in spars and even dumbed down dmg adds up once he starts hitting instant cast 700-800-1000. Cause that cleric is either healing or fighting and if hes fighting you he aint healing so hes dead.

[david99]

Chaos Volley, think of a cleric like a 4 dot mob you just need to take him down once hes dead all the dmg you did to yourself doesnt matter.

Sorcerer friend of mine does this to me in spars and even dumbed down dmg adds up once he starts hitting instant cast 700-800-1000. Cause that cleric is either healing or fighting and if hes fighting you he aint healing so hes dead.

Thanks for the info. Unfortunately I haven't got the spell yet, I only get to play the game on weekends so i'm still mid teens - one day! :)

[Masita]

lvl 10 cleric vs. lvl 16 mob...

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these are the same mobs I kill with my lvl 18 ranger... now I'll try a lvl 17...

[imurmstr]

The best way to beat a cleric is leave em alone or stalk them wait till they fight as soon as they get a mob killed move in for the attack hoping they are not still full energy and then good luck!

I dont think they are over powered at all i just believe you should leave em be they cant run fast their one dd is poor and really dont pose a threat like a ranger or a caster would so avoidance is your best defense or offence against one

[Masita]

The best way to beat a cleric is leave em alone or stalk them wait till they fight as soon as they get a mob killed move in for the attack hoping they are not still full energy and then good luck!

I dont think they are over powered at all i just believe you should leave em be they cant run fast their one dd is poor and really dont pose a threat like a ranger or a caster would so avoidance is your best defense or offence against one

Let me tell you, I play a ranger, and I would NEVER attack a cleric again. Even if they are fighting a 3dot when I attack one, their mitigation/armor class/buffs/heals/root that doesn't break/absorb and their (lower) damage would take me slowly down.
I learned a lot which classes I can defeat and which not, didnt get 700+ infamy from nothing... and clerics are straight impossible.
I actually play a cleric myself atm, just to understand that class, and everytime I get new skills, I can just shake my head.

[Grr]

lol... maybe you ppl don't know what you're doing?

My friend who's the highest lvl Cleric on the server @ 44... I 1-shot'd him tonight using a normal crit while he was full hp, full buffs, and full gear.

I also duel'd him twice previously too, once I killed him without taking a single point of damage... and once I killed him with an even-con 2dot mob on me (had to root, stealth, hide, heal, repeat on that one).

His name is Seci btw... feel free to tease him. =D

[Masita]

lol... maybe you ppl don't know what you're doing?

My friend who's the highest lvl Cleric on the server @ 44... I 1-shot'd him tonight using a normal crit while he was full hp, full buffs, and full gear.

I also duel'd him twice previously too, once I killed him without taking a single point of damage... and once I killed him with an even-con 2dot mob on me (had to root, stealth, hide, heal, repeat on that one).

His name is Seci btw... feel free to tease him. =D


Of course I can only talk about the lower levels till 20.
What you basically say is that clerics are paper in the high levels... no offense here, but i find it hard to believe.

And this 1-shot, was it a legendary crit?

[Grr]

Of course I can only talk about the lower levels till 20.
What you basically say is that clerics are paper in the high levels... no offense here, but i find it hard to believe.

And this 1-shot, was it a legendary crit?


Not at all... I'd be impressed if anyone else besides maybe a ranger or shaman could even think of killing him... just the right classes can easily take down other classes.

The 1-shot was a normal crit off of one of my skills. Trust me, it took him by suprise as well as me.

BTW, doesn't matter to me if you believe me or not... just stating my experience. =D

[Gangster-Man]

Not at all... I'd be impressed if anyone else besides maybe a ranger or shaman could even think of killing him... just the right classes can easily take down other classes.

The 1-shot was a normal crit off of one of my skills. Trust me, it took him by suprise as well as me.

BTW, doesn't matter to me if you believe me or not... just stating my experience. =D

if that happened to me i would of ss it pretty fast lol.

[Masita]

Not at all... I'd be impressed if anyone else besides maybe a ranger or shaman could even think of killing him... just the right classes can easily take down other classes.

The 1-shot was a normal crit off of one of my skills. Trust me, it took him by suprise as well as me.

BTW, doesn't matter to me if you believe me or not... just stating my experience. =D

I really want to know which fabulous ability a ranger has, that can onehit a cleric on a regular crit.

Btw your friend has to be so used to being invulnerable, that he doesn't know half of his abilities (sorry).

[Grr]

I really want to know which fabulous ability a ranger has, that can onehit a cleric on a regular crit.

Btw your friend has to be so used to being invulnerable, that he doesn't know half of his abilities (sorry).

Blade of Storms, used it on a mob next to my friend when he was logging back in and the AoE effect hit him. Usually does anywhere between 3k ~ 6k on a non-crit and 6k ~ 12k on a normal crit.

I'm sure he's been using only unvulnerability for the past 44 levels. He should definitely reroll... guess he doesn't know what he's doing, eh? /sarcasm

[Seci]

Most of you people posting here whining about clerics have no clue what you`re talking about. Get some more levels and experience higher lvl pvp before you try to get a class "balanced"

[Sensational]

Melee. Use your mana and health regen abilities and only use your mana to heal yourself. You will slice through casters and beat on melee that can't heal themselves. You man not catch a sorc or nec due to snare, but they will not kill you either.

The only class I see giving clerics fits in PvP is prolly rangers who can snare and plunk arrows from far off. Even then you'll run out of stamina way before the cleric runs out of mana.

A cleric that travels with another tank or even another dps class is simply godly in pvp.

A cleric can not kill another player if that player decides that he wants to run away, it's that simple. Our root breaks easily (Wich it should, IMO clerics shouldn't be able to kill anyone, but they should be the toughest people to bring down.) and gets resisted without INT boosted up, wich i really can't afford to do.

[Rulan]

Most of you people posting here whining about clerics have no clue what you`re talking about. Get some more levels and experience higher lvl pvp before you try to get a class "balanced"

If it's unbalanced at lower levels it should be tweaked for those levels. It's not hard.

[warakus]

If it's unbalanced at lower levels it should be tweaked for those levels. It's not hard.

We need to give some classes a healing mitigation debuff. bear shamans have it but they are healers... I say DKs, Rogues Necors and monks should be considered for this or something like it.

DKs :shadowed soul:.. Heal mitigation debuff... once a target is hit with this he only gets 50% of the incoming heal values.

Monks .. Some kind of melee attack: on healer... Makes all heals cost double energy.

Rogues... Anti anti body poisen... you get healed for full amount but after it leaches 50% of the heal back from you in the form on a fast dot.

Necros.... Wellfare leach! They cast this on the healer and 50% of the heals heal the necro and his group mates spread out amonst them... so healer heals target for 2200 but the target only gets 1100 of the heal and the necro steals the rest and disperses it amongst the group.

These are just ideas.. not perfect.. but would enhance PVE and PVP for these classes that need more. Some great tools that would do sso much of the balancing for you!

Now surely 2 classes in a group that could do this would probably shut healers down hard... but so what.. travel with friends like the rest of us.. mez them or run like we do.... you will have to plan more carefully how you fight these classes instead of just spamming heals. a healer would no longer be completely fearless of any single non healing class..... as it should be eh?

[Saris]

I'm a ranger. When I was level 18 I made the mistake of attacking a level 15 cleric. He starts running, so I do my thing. Get him to 29% pretty fast, then he heals to full. This goes on for 6-7 minutes. I'm thinking he'll run out of energy sooner or later. He doesn't. I was buffed with excellent gear, and I just couldn't out damage his heals...and he's 3 levels below me. That just doesn't seem right to me. Eventually I got bored with the fight and ran off. Now long fights are nice and all, but I've _never_ got bored of a pvp battle before...