And Sigil goes the way of WoW...

[Vutar]

Already receiving first /tells touting gold selling sites....from spirite on thunderaxe

I petitioned..but of course nothing will be done...just like WoW.

Way to go Sigil....

[Oisin]

Wow (no pun) wtf. At least in FFXI the RMT know that they'll get perma-banned if they admit to selling stuff in game.

[GelatinousOwen]

I think Sigil has enough on its plate right now guys, if you used your brain you might have realized that.

[tzakiel]

How exactly was sigil supposed to stop that person from msging you before it happened? I'm not sure what the problem is here.

[Vutar]

I think Sigil has enough on its plate right now guys, if you used your brain you might have realized that.


If I had used my brain huh? Or I used my brain and know that if they don't crack down on it now..it will be out of control like WoW is soon enough.....

Thanks for the insult though. My guess is your one of the people selling

[Vutar]

How exactly was sigil supposed to stop that person from msging you before it happened? I'm not sure what the problem is here.

Where exactly did I say they should have.....

[GelatinousOwen]

Gtfo vutar

[Isobel]

Where exactly did I say they should have.....

You petitioned, you came to the boards...what else do you want them to do? If they ban that person you'll never know it. You just won't get any more tells from that toon. My suggestion is petition every time you get a mail or tell from someone of that nature and then move on.

[Vutar]

Gtfo vutar

sweet...another constructive comment. Its a good thing you were here....

[Vutar]

You petitioned, you came to the boards...what else do you want them to do? If they ban that person you'll never know it. You just won't get any more tells from that toon. My suggestion is petition every time you get a mail or tell from someone of that nature and then move on.


They need to post the in game names of people banned for selling Gold. Make it as public as can be. Show the community that banning does happen for this.

[Isobel]

They need to post the in game names of people banned for selling Gold. Make it as public as can be. Show the community that banning does happen for this.

No, they really don't. I understand the desire for it but it really isn't a good idea. Telling people the in game names of RMT'rs seems like a good idea until somenew player makes a character with the same name as somone on the list. The new player is then tainted with the same reputation as the RMT'r. Also, as annoying as the /tell was...the sender didn't do anything against the EULA. He hasn't broken the rules until he actually sells something. Sadly that seems hard to prove since the only thing that could be tracked by Sigil/SOE the transfer of funds from one player to another, not the real money transfer of funds. I'm sure it would be easy to say something like "But i was just helping out a friends."...lame yes but not really something one can disprove.

[Vutar]

No, they really don't. I understand the desire for it but it really isn't a good idea. Telling people the in game names of RMT'rs seems like a good idea until somenew player makes a character with the same name as somone on the list. The new player is then tainted with the same reputation as the RMT'r. Also, as annoying as the /tell was...the sender didn't do anything against the EULA. He hasn't broken the rules until he actually sells something. Sadly that seems hard to prove since the only thing that could be tracked by Sigil/SOE the transfer of funds from one player to another, not the real money transfer of funds. I'm sure it would be easy to say something like "But i was just helping out a friends."...lame yes but not really something one can disprove.

1. They can ban anyone they like. Its their game and they don't need a reason to ban people.

And

2. This is not a court of law, and were it taken there, A Gold Seller or someone suing because they were banned would lose. Plain and simple. Though in reality it would never happen, civil law suits cost a ton of money.

[Halbe]

1. They can ban anyone they like. Its their game and they don't need a reason to ban people.

And

2. This is not a court of law, and were it taken there, A Gold Seller or someone suing because they were banned would lose. Plain and simple. Though in reality it would never happen, civil law suits cost a ton of money.

You should look up Sigil's stance on the issue.

For reference do a "McQuaid vs. The Gold Seller" search in google.

They are totally against it, and as this article/interview indicates, pretty outspoken about it.

What if they make this guys name known and ban him? What does that solve? He then logs in with a new name, and does the same thing.

[Isobel]

1. They can ban anyone they like. Its their game and they don't need a reason to ban people.

And

2. This is not a court of law, and were it taken there, A Gold Seller or someone suing because they were banned would lose. Plain and simple. Though in reality it would never happen, civil law suits cost a ton of money.

Number one is absolutely correct. Having said that...wouldnt' you prefer a game wherein there was a level of proof required before banning rather than just banning people based on accusation? I would.

As for number two...well, we won't know until that happens, will we?

[Mreynolds]

Ya know I understand that RMT is a sensitive issue to many. However posting names on sites and things of that nature wont help. Isobel is right. Some poor bastard who chooses that name later will be scarred. The best thing to do is report it and go about your killing. There really is nothing beyond that me and you can do. Now on the FFA PvP server I suppose you could corpse camp them into oblivion. But other than that we have to trust that sigil will do what is needed. And besides have you seen the price of that gold? I know a couple of my employees that bought gold in EQ2 and in WoW both but even they wouldnt be stupid enough to pay so much for so little. I think we have a bit of a buffer before RMT companies can make any real impact on the economy. But thats just my thoughts on the subject.

[Vutar]

You should look up Sigil's stance on the issue.

For reference do a "McQuaid vs. The Gold Seller" search in google.

They are totally against it, and as this article/interview indicates, pretty outspoken about it.

What if they make this guys name known and ban him? What does that solve? He then logs in with a new name, and does the same thing.


I did read that interview....and I won't believe it until I see it. Saying your against something and actually taking action against it are two different things.

[Isobel]

I did read that interview....and I won't believe it until I see it. Saying your against something and actually taking action against it are two different things.

I'll agree with that sentiment. Don't believe it until you see it. I would suggest that you not assume you won't see it though. It'll just piss you off to no purpose.

[Vutar]

Ya know I understand that RMT is a sensitive issue to many. However posting names on sites and things of that nature wont help. Isobel is right. Some poor bastard who chooses that name later will be scarred. The best thing to do is report it and go about your killing. There really is nothing beyond that me and you can do. Now on the FFA PvP server I suppose you could corpse camp them into oblivion. But other than that we have to trust that sigil will do what is needed. And besides have you seen the price of that gold? I know a couple of my employees that bought gold in EQ2 and in WoW both but even they wouldnt be stupid enough to pay so much for so little. I think we have a bit of a buffer before RMT companies can make any real impact on the economy. But thats just my thoughts on the subject.

The price is not the issue. That will come down...which is why it needs to be stopped now and trusting MMORPG company's to stop it is a joke. The only one that held its ground at least to being with was EQ...though that has gone away completely as well.

Its a good point about the posting names thing, however it still needs to be made public in some way. If its not known people are being banned, then eveyrone will think its easily gotten away with and do it themselves. Creating even more gold sellers until its to large to contain.

[Halbe]

I did read that interview....and I won't believe it until I see it. Saying your against something and actually taking action against it are two different things.

So, I guess my question is, why jump to conclusions?

You've reported the guy. He's gonna get banned after they look at the chat logs.

Banning people just because they were reported would be a terrible idea.

If that were the case, any jerk that trained me would suddenly turn into goldfarmers, and I'd get their butts removed.

edit: 100th post! Yippie!

[Xabora]

Its the weekend... give sigil time to get some stuff done. :p

[Neocentric]

Eh, it is going to happen. It happens in every MMO. There is no way to prevent it. If you think there is then please, shed some light on how to. Best bet is to just report the offender and be on your way. That is the only thing you can do as a player and is the only way Sigil may know who is selling gold and who isn't.

Anyways, someone on TTH posted what they are selling gold for....20 gold for $300? lol. I highly doubt people will be buying gold. Gold is very easy to come by past level 25.

[Isobel]

edit: 100th post! Yippie!

Lol...DING!
Grats

[Hoarder]

Wife got email from gold seller, petitioned it and less then 5 minutes later GM said, thanks account has been banned.

[Vutar]

Wife got email from gold seller, petitioned it and less then 5 minutes later GM said, thanks account has been banned.

sweet, thanks for the info. I have yet to get a reply.

[Isobel]

Wife got email from gold seller, petitioned it and less then 5 minutes later GM said, thanks account has been banned.

I've had a few very good Gm moments as well. The one that stands out most is when i saw a character on the first day of launch in the Mordebi starting area with a very blatantly racist name. It took less than 15 minutes for the GM to pop in, keep in mind this was launch day, full of problems, and pull the guy.

[Canard]

the problem is that banning buddy accounts is rather useless. and that are the accounts that are used for the whispers to "potential" customers...

you cant stop gold (platinium) farming in online games anymore. you can just make it unattractive. I hope Sigil keeps it unattractive.

the crafting system is highly unattractive for bot using like in WoW (resources/ materials dependency) which in WoW was a big goldfarmer thing, as well as money camping some humanoids. also item farming in some dungeon is rather unattractive in VG.

the funniest thing is that the sometimes buggy spawns make bot using extremly difficult (to impossible). a bug saves us from bots, ironic or?!

still it is to be seen, what happens in 6 months. but I am rather optimistic that it will stay as unattractive as it is for gold farmers.

Also the number of subscribers is rather low, so that the effort is not worth it.

if ~2 % of the people buy gold would make 100 to 200.000 customers in WOW (of ~6 to 8.000.000 subscribers). in VG it would be what?! 120.000 subscribers? maybe one day 500.000 subs. so it would be between 2000 and 10.000 customers who buy once or twice a year?! not that much profit compared to other games.

Especially when Sigil enforces a rather strict policy, makes money for the gameplay itself not unimportant but also not absolutely essential, keeps the crafting system independent by keeping it hand crafted and by keeping the game a little buggy :)

[Chae668]

I've had a few very good Gm moments as well. The one that stands out most is when i saw a character on the first day of launch in the Mordebi starting area with a very blatantly racist name. It took less than 15 minutes for the GM to pop in, keep in mind this was launch day, full of problems, and pull the guy.

lol, i had a similar experience with a player's name a few days before the servers went down for release.

was in khal, gettin ready for the running of the guantlet for the griffons.

guy was talking in chat channel, and his name was "deadbaby". (horrible name choice). anyway, someone that HAD actually lost one, just exploded. i completely agree'd with her, and i petitioned the name, as she did. (found out later after talking with her a bit) within a quick 3 minutes, the GM was talking to me. just goes to show that the GM's are out there. and they do pay attention. jsut dont assume they dont because they dont respond to you.

[Atoyota]

Already receiving first /tells touting gold selling sites....from spirite on thunderaxe

I petitioned..but of course nothing will be done...just like WoW.

Way to go Sigil....
Give them the chance to do something about it.

How long has it been? Save the guys name and check back with him in a week, if he's still in game then we know nothing is being done.

[Jalex]

I noticed a very strange thing in Misthaven Village (Thestra) yesterday...a gallows has been set up in the main square, with two traps...

...nah ...Brad wouldn't do that to RMT toons ...would he? :eek:

[Sickpuppy]

sweet...another constructive comment. Its a good thing you were here....

Gotta love this reply looking at your o.p. Very constructive, well done. Making whiney posts like this won't help or speed up the process.

I've come to accept RMT as part of MMOs recently. However much the devs/staff do, in an MMO of this size RMT is impossible to entirely stop. It will always be there. If it ruins your gaming experience that much then you're probably playing the wrong kind of game. I personally don't have a big problem with it. Anything in this game that's worth getting is going to be soulbound, much like wow. Gold is not really going to be very important in a year or so. If I had a choice I would have a game free of it, but I don't.

If you want to _reduce_ RMT, ban the buyers too. The people who buy are just as much a cause of the problem as the people who sell. Ban the buyers and a lot of RMTers will take their business elsewhere.

[Desdemona]

So how much gold did you buy?

[Fluffycake]

Already receiving first /tells touting gold selling sites....from spirite on thunderaxe

I petitioned..but of course nothing will be done...just like WoW.

Way to go Sigil....

Do you expect Sigil to invent mind reading technology to screen out people at login who will spam advertisements?

[jones5414]

Already receiving first /tells touting gold selling sites....from spirite on thunderaxe

I petitioned..but of course nothing will be done...just like WoW.

Way to go Sigil....

and EQ1 and EQ2...

[Malivan]

Sigil did not sell enough to police this properly. If they don't even have the manpower to take care of names like Drunkan Mastah, what makes you think they will bother to police the secondary market? Lackluster sales has its consequences.

[Isobel]

Sigil did not sell enough to police this properly. If they don't even have the manpower to take care of names like Drunkan Mastah, what makes you think they will bother to police the secondary market? Lackluster sales has its consequences.

You realize this makes no sense, right? A small player base would make policing easier. It would mean fewer characters to police. That said, Sigil has booted both names that violate the EULA and gold sellers. This thread mentions personal experience with each.

[Agonee]

It's pretty rough to say that this is 'going the way of WoW'. RMT has been going on in MMOs for quite some time to begin with. If you mean, the fact that in game mail is being sent in regards to it, well that is another issue, and one that is tricky.

I do not know if the advertising itself is bannable.

Also, one of the problems WoW (and other games found) was that banning an account that had a character spam mailing would only turn up another new account doing the same thing. It's very simple for these companies to obtain new accounts. That won't change with VG simply because of the systems used.

I received a letter for gold buying today as well. Character name was Mailman. I replied to him 'please don't ever mail me again' and also reported him. Who knows if anything will be done. I would like to think so though.

[Geldoff]

Already receiving first /tells touting gold selling sites....from spirite on thunderaxe

I petitioned..but of course nothing will be done...just like WoW.

Way to go Sigil....

yeah WoW (and Vangaurd now i guess) is the only game that suffors from plat farmers and sellers. Its strange how Blizzard doesnt care and does nothing about it, your right, I am sure Sigil feels exactly the same way (LMAO)

[Geldoff]

Sigil did not sell enough to police this properly. If they don't even have the manpower to take care of names like Drunkan Mastah, what makes you think they will bother to police the secondary market? Lackluster sales has its consequences.


Well that explains why Blizzard has this problem with WoW too of course, "lack luster" sales . . . . (ROFL???)

[Faite]

sweet...another constructive comment. Its a good thing you were here....

Your post title is NOT contrstructive, try a new title and maybe this very same subject will get much more positive commentary.

You put WOW and Vanguard in one sentence in a post title and want people to comment nicely? heh.

[richycream]

I wish one of them would send me a tell. I could really use some gold.

[RedRider]

Pretty simple, don't buy gold, convince every one you know not to but gold and the gold sellers will disappear. Unforunatly the buyers are out there. Plus how do you police this ?

Ban every one who gives are recieves any amount of cash without a trade ? So when I convinced an old friend to join EQ2 and gave him a nice bundle as startup cash we both get banned or when I lent 50 million credits to a RL friend in AO so he could but a rare piece of equipement he found at a great price, both banned ?

The big problem here is it is probably NOT illegal to sell in game items and gold. Why haven't there been any court cases ? I am pretty sure that they know they would lose and their lawyers have discouraged any such suits. So all they can do is harass the sellers buy banning them when they can.

[Seregul]

Its strange how Blizzard doesnt care and does nothing about it, your right, I am sure Sigil feels exactly the same way (LMAO)

How can you say that? WoW has cancelled more gold farmer accounts than VG has total subscribers.

[Geldoff]

How can you say that? WoW has cancelled more gold farmer accounts than VG has total subscribers.

The OP said it, I was sarcasticly agreeing with him . . .

[Lizard]

Already receiving first /tells touting gold selling sites....from spirite on thunderaxe

I petitioned..but of course nothing will be done...just like WoW.

Way to go Sigil....

Dear Sigil:

Please remove all GMs from dealing with stuck corpses, missing items, and other issues. Please take all your coders and artists and content developers away from their tasks. Please put them all on gold-seller duty. Also, despite the fact the game released early and cash is tight, please hire a few hundred more people to police the servers. Thanks.

Sigil already has a hard-line policy against RMT. It simply lacks the resources for total enforcement. It is often more profitable to gather info and do mass bans than to play whack-a-mole with them one at a time.

Also, hey, if the gold selling roaches are crawling around Qalia and Thestra, it means that the game is viewed as popular enough to justify their investment. :)

[Vutar]

The thing I most enjoy is how everyone defends the Gold Farmers and attacks anyone against it. Good Job!!! It truly shows the moral ineptitude of our society today. Anything goes, to hell with the rules/laws.

Most are right, it will never be stopped. Not because it isn't possible but because sympathetic people such as yourselves will make every excuse in the book in order that one day down the road you can buy their gold.

As for those who say "RTM has been around forever,", that may be, however it was FAR better controlled during the first years of EQ than it was in WoW. WoW took it to a whole new level. Anyone who says otherwise is very naive. (here ya go, someone cut and paste that last sentence. Then you can quote it and make some spiffy comment)

As for those wonderful people who like to take comments I made to another poster and chime in their two cents. I find it quite interesting that you did not include those other people's comments in your post as well. Instead you choose to only include what I said, in order to best take it out of context. Well Done!

[Lizard]

The thing I most enjoy is how everyone defends the Gold Farmers and attacks anyone against it. Good Job!!! It truly shows the moral ineptitude of our society today. Anything goes, to hell with the rules/laws.

Most are right, it will never be stopped. Not because it isn't possible but because sympathetic people such as yourselves will make every excuse in the book in order that one day down the road you can buy their gold.

As for those who say "RTM has been around forever,", that may be, however it was FAR better controlled during the first years of EQ than it was in WoW. WoW took it to a whole new level. Anyone who says otherwise is very naive. (here ya go, someone cut and paste that last sentence. Then you can quote it and make some spiffy comment)

As for those wonderful people who like to take comments I made to another poster and chime in their two cents. I find it quite interesting that you did not include those other people's comments in your post as well. Instead you choose to only include what I said, in order to best take it out of context. Well Done!

Who the hell is defending gold farmers? They're scum, and the people who buy from them are losers. However, claiming "Vanguard is just like WoW" because not every gold farmer is stopped at the gate before they log on is sheer folly, especially given Sigil's currently strained resources.

As for levels of control, the only difference between WoW and EQ was that the potential market was so large that the sheer number of people who wanted to tap into it increased dramatically. If EQ ever had 8 million players, it would have just as large of a gold seller problem -- possibly larger, because of slow levelling and harder-to-earn gold (making the losers feel they "needed" to buy gold in order to "compete").

[Serosha]

Already receiving first /tells touting gold selling sites....from spirite on thunderaxe

I petitioned..but of course nothing will be done...just like WoW.

Way to go Sigil....
This is amazing, you mean, someone on a mmorpg is PMing and/or sending mailes about gold selling sites. This is amazing, and surely must only be linked to WoW...

:edit: My favorite part of it is people expect something to be done about these lvl1 characters on accounts that were basically created solely for the purpose of advertising these gold sites. Yeha something will prolly be done, they might manage to ban the account before the end of the first month of the account when they activate a new account to send advertisements on lvl1 characters that will also be there for no more than a month. WHy the hell does everyone talk about WoW, is that the only game they played?

[Lizard]

Eh, it is going to happen. It happens in every MMO. There is no way to prevent it. If you think there is then please, shed some light on how to.

Assume it costs 50 bucks for an account key to gold farm.

Companies have staffs of people which act as gold farm customers. They buy the bare minimum of gold, usually 5 dollars worth or less. Once the sellers account is identified, the account is closed, and all other accounts using that credit card are closed.

Accounts made using 'buddy keys' cannot trade with other players in any way, or recieve mail, or join guilds, or otherwise be used to circumvent this.

[Tashan]

Assume it costs 50 bucks for an account key to gold farm.

Companies have staffs of people which act as gold farm customers. They buy the bare minimum of gold, usually 5 dollars worth or less. Once the sellers account is identified, the account is closed, and all other accounts using that credit card are closed.

Accounts made using 'buddy keys' cannot trade with other players in any way, or recieve mail, or join guilds, or otherwise be used to circumvent this.

You leave out the use of gamecards (which I am sure is actually how gold farmers do their accounts), and the buddy key limitations you put in destroys the whole POINT of them. How are people supposed to decide if they want to play when they are limited on whatt hey can do with playing with their friends? It's a nice idea but far more damaging to the community and won't stop the gold farmers who make so much money they'll just buy another account. I mean look at it this way, people like IGE have the money to plop down $100 grand for Allakhazam AND pay the site operator a very high salary to run it. What is $50 for another copy of the game?

[Lizard]

You leave out the use of gamecards (which I am sure is actually how gold farmers do their accounts), and the buddy key limitations you put in destroys the whole POINT of them. How are people supposed to decide if they want to play when they are limited on whatt hey can do with playing with their friends? It's a nice idea but far more damaging to the community and won't stop the gold farmers who make so much money they'll just buy another account. I mean look at it this way, people like IGE have the money to plop down $100 grand for Allakhazam AND pay the site operator a very high salary to run it. What is $50 for another copy of the game?

Gamecards are still tied to accounts, so you can at least pull that.

The idea is to force the gold farmer to consume accounts faster than they can make money. How long does it take to earn 50 dollars worth of saleable gold? How many man-hours are lost if an account (with eight characters) is yoinked on the first sale? How much overhead is added if the gold farmers have to constantly find new credit card numbers, level new characters for farming, etc? If game companies coordinate on this, sharing credit cards and the like for gold farming accounts, one 'sting' can hit across multiple games from multiple companies at once. Do this over and over and over again, make every customer look like a potential 'narc' to the seller, and you make their lives a lot harder.

In short, it adds an expense. If they have an added expense, they charge more. If they charge more, they lose some customers and the smaller ones go out of business.

(And add to the EULA: "If we catch you selling gold, we have the right to impose a $1000.00 surcharge to your account before we cancel you." This would require eliminating gamecards, but I think the long-term benefits would be worth it.)

[Floria]

I fail to see what this has to do with WoW. Every MMORPG has gold sellers. It's a business, people buy gold, period----every game, not just WoW. EQ2 got very bad where you would always be spammed with gold sellers. Think that you are jumping to conclusions about how Sigil will respond. Give it time and have some patience.

[Psycelt]

Already receiving first /tells touting gold selling sites....from spirite on thunderaxe

I petitioned..but of course nothing will be done...just like WoW.

Way to go Sigil....

How do you know nothing will be done?

[Zippalbit]

yeah WoW (and Vangaurd now i guess) is the only game that suffors from plat farmers and sellers. Its strange how Blizzard doesnt care and does nothing about it, your right, I am sure Sigil feels exactly the same way (LMAO)

Everquest, and more specifically Firiona Vie, suffers big time from Second Market. If I were to wager a guess, I'd say about 75% of the population on Firiona Vie have either bought or sold something for real dollars. The main culprit there is the guild leader Scarar of the guild Fire and Fury. Everyone knows that it is done except, as it would seem, Sony Customer Service.

[Geldoff]

Everquest, and more specifically Firiona Vie, suffers big time from Second Market. If I were to wager a guess, I'd say about 75% of the population on Firiona Vie have either bought or sold something for real dollars. The main culprit there is the guild leader Scarar of the guild Fire and Fury. Everyone knows that it is done except, as it would seem, Sony Customer Service.

And you believe SOE has no interest in protecting their own IP or getting a piece of the hundreds of millions of in-game item sales, becuase . . . ? (they are just super generous?)

[Zippalbit]

And you believe SOE has no interest in protecting their own IP or getting a piece of the hundreds of millions of in-game item sales, becuase . . . ? (they are just super generous?)

Oh, they are not interested in policing the Second Market because it keeps accounts active that would normally be closed had the Second Market not existed. It's sad, but that is why Sony takes no action against these people.

[dancingbear]

A bit OT but are there any limitations in game play if you use the 10 free trial keys? I have a friend who really wants to try the game.

About the gilsellers, I wouldn't judge Sigil yet now that they have so many issues to solve at hand. Once the game is stable with more bugs out of the way, that's when they should be cracking down gilsellers, which hopefully they'll do.

[Isobel]

Oh, they are not interested in policing the Second Market because it keeps accounts active that would normally be closed had the Second Market not existed. It's sad, but that is why Sony takes no action against these people.

Actually, there is a strong motivation for closing the accounts of RMT'rs. If you ban them they will buy. People who sell gold professionally must have access to the game in order to obtain their product. Banning RMT'rs boosts sales. Why do you think certain companies do it so publicly and so often?

[Worf]

You people act as if getting one toon ban is going to significantly going to do anything. REAL gold sellers/farmers have hundreds of accounts.

[rook818]

I think the Sigil team might be a tad busy worrying about more important things than gold farmers. It doesn't mean they're going to let it go. The Devs have made their feelings VERY public.

Just give it time. If 6 months from now nothing is being done, then you have a point. Right now, hell no!

[Darinford]

Ni Hao?

[raymu]

Already receiving first /tells touting gold selling sites....from spirite on thunderaxe

I petitioned..but of course nothing will be done...just like WoW.

Way to go Sigil....



Not on Hilsbury. GM made an in-game public announcement of a user ban after the said user advertised RMT sites on various channels.

[Incendrium]

Ni Hao?

Domain Name: IGE.COM
Created on: 14-May-95
Expires on: 15-May-10
Last Updated on: 13-Oct-06

Administrative Contact:
Affinitymedia
8900 Wilshire Blvd
2nd Floor
Beverly Hills, California 90211
United States

Beverly Hills is a long way from Beijing...

Might as well add: "G'day Mate", "Greetings", "Salutations", "Konnichi wa", "Guten Tag", "Marhabah", "Pree-vyet", "Chao", "Selamat Pagi", and "Aloha!"

The point is, people don't have enough fingers to point at all the places involved with this stuff. Sorry for picking on you as a individual Darinford but... Well there you go...
/ironic off

[Isobel]

Not on Hilsbury. GM made an in-game public announcement of a user ban after the said user advertised RMT sites on various channels.

We must have gotten really lucky as far as Devs go. Either that or Sigil just likes us more. lol

[Carguard]

If I had used my brain huh? Or I used my brain and know that if they don't crack down on it now..it will be out of control like WoW is soon enough.....

Thanks for the insult though. My guess is your one of the people selling

You know, you'd get a lot more feedback and support if you'd, say, not been rude or paranoid. He probably meant that you should think before you post, not that you're stupid.

PREDICTION: Your next post will either be:
a) a rude insult towards me.
b) a paranoid comment stating that I'm a smurf of the person who posted the brain comment
c) a paranoid comment stating that I'm a gold seller
d) a paranoid rant about how we're all morally inept gold selling gold buying monsters and should all be shot
e) all of the above