Bored.. Anyone want a signature?

[hiddindragon08]

Hey.. Soo my computer is on the fritz.. and I can't seem to play games or do much.. one of the few things that work is the internet, adobe photoshop and msn messenger.. What a killer combination huh?

Anyways.. Anyone want a signature made? I'll do it to your specs and liking!! heheh

Just supply me with the following info..

-Name
-Gender (Do you want male/female pics?)
-Guild
-Class
-What you want the signature to represent about you?
-Basic theme.. Dark/light.. nature.. evil/good.. Themes!

and yeah.. I'll mess around and throw something back @ ya you'll enjoy!

-Nu

[_Aatlaar_]

I am so getting back to you in about 7 hours(LOVE your sigs)... Longest BF2 game ever started at about 2:20 AM pst, and ended about 35 minutes ago. 200ish points and a good healthy 5/1 K/d i'm going to sleep(the wife yelled at me). All as an engineer!

She created new l337 speek in the process= jmj


First person to tell me(PM ME) what jmj means, gets a custom title of their choosing(nothing offensive please).

[Sergo]

Hey, my daughter wants one. Her character name is Annamarie. She's a high elven bard with a lute, blonde hair, green eyes, with the sort of Princess-Leia twisty circle braids.

She was mischevious but quiet, so maybe sitting, lute at the ready, with a knowing smirk?

Anna says thanks in advance!

[hiddindragon08]

Here's just a couple examples.. They're up for grabs, so if you want me to customize it and make it your own.. just say!! =]

-Nu

http://www.forgeddawn.com/angelsig.jpg

http://www.forgeddawn.com/asiansig.jpg

[hiddindragon08]

Heheh.. Kk no prob!! I'll do my best, if ya want to supply a picture of the character i can make it to exact requests.. otherwise i'll try to get something close =P

Check back in ohh.. hour or so..

=]

-Nu

[hiddindragon08]

Couldn't find exactly what i was hoping for.. but i gave it a very nature feel.. Hope she likes it!

-Nu

http://www.forgeddawn.com/annamariesig.jpg

[Niborea]

hidden, do you do the artwork yourself or are they from the web? The reason I ask that it's usually frowned upon to take someone elses work without permission, especially if it's copywrited. I'm not trying to acuse you of anything, just making you aware :D I do like your composition of them.

[hiddindragon08]

Nah i don't do the artwork usually, I stick to main sites and such from games that way i don't steal artwork from the locals. =]

Everyone and their mother has taken final fantasy, guildwars, other such games and whatnot and used their artwork in banners, i do no different.

Most the stuff i do is from anime or games or whatnot, If i ever took a pic from some local artist then i apologize and will take it down!

Thx for compliment and i do understand your concern. Got my own art website out there, its pretty old and the site itself is a shame.. but the art is alright!! hehe

www.geocities.com/god291/

-Nu

[hiddindragon08]

Here ya go Helith!!

http://www.forgeddawn.com/helithsig.jpg

Took me a little longer, wasn't exactly what i hoped it would turn out, but all in all i think it turned out well! Had a hard time, wanted to find a real great pic of a cleric but none were out there.. =[

-Nu

[Niborea]

hidden, as I said not trying to acuse you. Taking from the games screenshots are probably not a problem, athough if they wanted to it is under thier EULA :p
I have a site myself and have done signatures for over 4 years now. Can check it HERE (http://www.robinsstudio.com), hasn't been updated lately and layout was done on the quick side.

[hiddindragon08]

Ahh very nice site!
Yeah haha i know some of the screenshots and artwork is protected under their bilaws and such but meh.. But it's never been a big deal, haven't published anything professionally or charged a fee so from that its harmless. And as i said, should they ever feel the need to smash some nameless nobody into the ground for using a screenshot in his forum banner.. well.. they can go right ahead and i'll take it down. lol!

-Nu

[Annamarie]

I's pretty good, Danke :D I think I can get an actual piccy of her, so I'll try in a sec.

-Anna-

[hiddindragon08]

So far here's all my completed stuff...

Took down the sigs, figure that's easiest way to keep this from going down in "flames". =P

-Nu

[Dillgaar]

just to hop in here on legality of snagging artwork from the web...

for the most part things like screenshots from a game of your character are fine. You aren't claiming to own the artwork or anything and are not using it for any purposes besides promoting the game it came from typically, so those are usually no problem...

As for snagging artwork from websites there are some concerns...

If it is commercial artwork specifically generated for a video game or similar product then USUALLY people won't have too much of a problem with it. If you are taking the artwork from somebody's personal website where they have their art listed then you could very well be in trouble. IE: if you took some of the images from the vanguard concept art and made a sig it should be ok to use that as it is work generated for commercial use but if you went to keith P's site and snagged a painting and slapped your name on it then there could be problems...

The rule has typically been to respect an artists work and ask permission before using a piece in your sig. If they ask you to refrain from using their work in your sig then respect their wishes and remove it. If it is ok with them then you are good to go. Some artists will allow it as long as you link to their site when you use the image or put their website addy on the sig or their name and the title of the piece, etc

So using the art is ok but you have to be respectful of the artist.

I personally only make sigs from either screen shots or original works. I knew someone back in EQ who did nothing but take a picture from the web, crop it, photoshop their name on it and call it their own... to me this was crap... plus they looked bad... it irked me when people said what a great job she did on them and that they were beautiful... but justice came swiftly when a bunch of the work she was using was from a particular artist who sent her a cease and decist order to remove all of their artwork from unauthorized reproductions... the saddest part is she didn't learn her lesson and ganked more artwork from anbother site again without asking... some people never learn

[Niborea]

I personally only make sigs from either screen shots or original works.
I too use screenshots or my own artwork in sigs and such. :D
I've known some artists from Norrath Studio's that had thier artwork "ganked" by others and used as thier own. I find this no different than stealing an actual piece of artwork from a museum, it's just wrong. :(

[hiddindragon08]

Lol!! I appreciate your concern but im starting to take offense to all the "Implied accusations".. As I said, I've no problem being honest and saying Yes.. I took the images from copyrighted materials from various games.. Ragnarok, Kingdom Under Fire, World of Warcraft, and i even took a little digital picture of my Spawn warrior.. These are not being mass distrubted they're personal signatures, free of charge and I take no credit and have not said in any way.. That I've created these images.. I've not taken from any small unknown artist websites and if I ever mistakenly do then I apologize and would glady take the signature down.
Again, I take no credit for the creation of the characters or images, I'm simply making signatures for those people who want me to design a signature.
If big bad blizzard or other corperations feel my signatures a threat or simply want them to be taken down, I'll comply np! It's not that big of deal. They're simply personal signatures I design (Design does not mean create the images... I put them images together ;) )




This thread was designed to give yet another way to get excited for Vanguard.. Another little time sink for myself and others to in some way to have fun!

I agree that small artists and whatnot deserve the credit for their images.. If I really like a picture then i'd ask for permission, i've done it in the past =]
And again..I'm not taking credit from the images I use. I never said I created them, I never hinted that they were mine own.. I simply in plain english said I'm making a signature.. I even said Yes.. They're from major games.. Copyrighted.. And yes.. That if they requested or pursued legal action then sure i'd take them down, it's not that big of deal =P
I'm not in a professional business.. I'm not taking credit for images.. I'm not selling these in any way..
Oh yea.. One last thing.. There's a reason I never signed these signatures.. Because that would disrespect the original artist.. I keep these signatures just as they are.. With no "props" to myself. If random joe looks @ them he isn't gonna see that Nu Akii Kuraii put the signatures together.. He'll just see some beautiful art, arranged in a compelling way.

Yes i take credit for putting the signatures together.. I did.. It took my time and effort to arrange them into something I liked. So through word or voice of mouth.. people will know who put them together, but again.. That doesn't mean I take credit for any images or whatnot. I just put them together.

-Nu

[Feyshtey]

It's not an issue of giving due credit. Or of using a screenshot from EQ to make an EQ sig.

It's an issue of using any artist's work for anything, whether you get paid for it or not, without the express consent of that artist.

Like Dill said, if you take a screenshot from a game, and use it as a promotion of that game (by making a sig associated with that game) no one is going to care. But if you take artwork from most any artist, or from most any company, and modify it for use in something completely unrelated, you're likely to make some people unhappy. Specifically the people who created the work in the first place. And they have legal recourse to force it's removal from use.

I am an artist. I would be not only offended, but have legal action available to me if anyone used my art for anything without getting my permission. It doesn't matter if I'm a completely unknown artist, or if I made the art as a staff member of a game design studio or any other corporation.

If you didn't create the image, you don't have a right to use it.

[edit: simply modifying the art of an artist can be quite insulting to that artist. Art is created as a whole thing. Cropping it, modifying it, and using only pieces of it changes the representation of it that the artist intended. ]

[hiddindragon08]

Understood and I by no means wish to insult any artist out there. As a artist myself I understand the concern. If they ever have a problem I comply 100% with removing the signature.

Everyone is open to their opinion and of course I have my own. If someone used my art I wouldn't be insulted unless they did it in a way to make it insulting. I've been quite flattered when someone used my material to make something -even in stances where it was without my regards.
Legally its much safer to use the non copyrighted material of a uknown artist, But it comes back a lot worse in my opinion.
It's against any EULA to use copyrighted material wether its for the game or not, so just as any I would for vanguard material, if they requested it I would take it down immediately. =]

-Nu

[Feyshtey]

Legally its much safer to use the non copyrighted material of a uknown artist....


I'm sure one of the lawyers could correct me if I'm wrong. But I don't think there is such a thing. If it's in print on the web or anywhere, printed originally by the author or artist, it is copyrighted.

[hiddindragon08]

hehe no idea... *Shrug*
I would think you'd have to do a legal procedure of some sort.. Otherwise how could someone claim it? If it's on my site and on another's site.. how does one tell who's it belongs to?
_
I dunno though m<{^-^}>m

-Nu

[Feyshtey]

I think that's the point. He who first publishes it, has somewhat of a defacto right to it. He can prove he put it out for the public before anyone else, and so others don't have a right to copy it.

I know with certainty that there's no legal procedure to obtain a copyright. My art on this site in the FanArt section is copyrighted because I created and published it.

[hiddindragon08]

Kk, but how to do you prove who published it first? On the net i can put something up and someone can take it and put it on theirs.. so i get mad and throw a lawsuit their way, but i have no proof that i put it up first.. ?

I enjoy conversation with ya! I don't mean to be diffcult, im true curious =]
-Nu

[Niborea]

I would think you'd have to do a legal procedure of some sort.. Otherwise how could someone claim it? If it's on my site and on another's site.. how does one tell who's it belongs to?

I know someone who had some art taken from her website without permission and the person who took it was claiming it as thier's, posting it on the web as such. The artist I believe took it to court,she could produce the photoshop files and sketches, the thief could not.

** BTW, how long does it generally take from submission of fanart to having it put on the site? Just curious, I submitted a couple more :D

[Dillgaar]

the most common way is the electronic timestamp on a file... if their creation date is before yours then you lose...

I believe there are ways you can effect that time stamp but I am almost positive there are ways to detect around it.

EDIT:


I know someone who had some art taken from her website without permission and the person who took it was claiming it as thier's, posting it on the web as such. The artist I believe took it to court,she could produce the photoshop files and sketches, the thief could not.


that too

[Feyshtey]

If it came down to that, it wouldn't be difficult to establish which file was uploaded first.

And of course, presumably whoever created the artwork could back it up with the original files from photoshop or paint or whatever.

One thing that authors sometimes do, is send a copy of their type to themselves via registered mail, and never open it. That way if there ever is a contention about ownership, they can hand the sealed package to the judge and tell him to open it.

[hiddindragon08]

haha yeah ive sent myself some stuff through the mail back in the day.. Took a picture of a drawing and still have the pic in unopened envelope =P

Thing i always wonder is everything digital these days can be very easy altered.. it's simply knowing how to change the code. I've got a friend who can do crazy stuff with a binary software program he uses.. makes me wonder what "Big Brother" is doin haha

-Nu

[Raya]

It rather seems to me that this argument is specious. What Fey and Dill have both said in different ways is that the original artist has the right to the use and portrayal of his/her own work. There is something...that Oloh and Hav can explain a lot better...like a natural right to copyright. If anyone creates a work of art, whether it is drawings/paintings or stories or whatever, they are by law entitled not only to the copyright of that work, but any benefit derived from it. If you steal that person's art, you are doing something that is illegal. You might not get caught but you are doing something that is frowned upon by the law. You might persist and not get caught--but what good is it to claim something as your work when it is not? Doesn't make sense to me.

** BTW, how long does it generally take from submission of fanart to having it put on the site? Just curious, I submitted a couple more :D
The best way to get it approved is to let us know it is up for approval. The way it is set up right now, I don't believe we have an alarm that goes out to the moderators. I am on my way to look at it :)

[Niborea]

The best way to get it approved is to let us know it is up for approval. The way it is set up right now, I don't believe we have an alarm that goes out to the moderators. I am on my way to look at it

Good to know, thanks Raya

[Monsoon Rhayne]

I would very much like to see what you could make for me, I still need to get the programs to fiddle with sigs.

-Name: Monsoon Rhanye

-Gender: Male / Vulmane (looking for a black one, maybe with white hair, might have to find a warewolf style pic for it)

-Class: Ranger / Diplomat

-What you want the signature to represent about you? Hard one, but I if you would like to read a story (http://www.silkyvenom.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1028).

-Basic theme: Nature / Tribal

Oh...Monsoon's favorite color is yellow/gold

[Sczen Diop]

Are you still doin these?

Name: Sczen Diop
Class: Bard
Gender: Male/Thestra Human
Theme/What I want: Glory,Power,Majesty. Some Diplomacy symbol would be nice too!
Guild: None

[Miron]

She created new l337 speek in the process= jmj

First person to tell me(PM ME) what jmj means, gets a custom title of their choosing(nothing offensive please).

Did anyone ever solve it?

[Razorwire]

I'm sure one of the lawyers could correct me if I'm wrong. But I don't think there is such a thing. If it's in print on the web or anywhere, printed originally by the author or artist, it is copyrighted.

Yes, but there are execptions to the rule. Copyright has a lifetime to it (I think death + a number of years for private holders and 70 years for corporate copyright, Mickey Mouse is soon to be in the Public Domain unless Disney can keep changing the copyright laws, my numbers are probably wrong btw) so you are pretty safe ganking anything done pre 1920. The copyright holder can voluntarily move the work to the Public Domain (anyone can use it). there are also the new creative commons copyright rules but I don't really understand them.

[Feyshtey]

Looks like there are several layers based on when the work was authored.

http://inventors.about.com/library/bl/toc/bl_copyright_expire.htm

For anything created after 1978, there are no requirements for any kind of filings to obtain a copyright. There doesn't even appear to be a need for publication (it needs only be in 'tangible medium of expression'). From the linked site, refering to authored works created after 1/1/1978 :
Life of author and 70 years based on the the longest living author if jointly created
or if work of corporate authorship, works for hire, or anonymous and pseudonymous works, the shorter of 95 years from publication, or 120 years from creation

I wonder how that applies to things like Micky Mouse, which has had ongoing releases? I mean, is the idea of Micky Mouse release, but no one can reproduce the newere releases? Or does it mean that the idea of Micky Mouse is protected as long as new releases keep coming out?

[Foxeye]

My favorite one-stop-place for online-art copyright information is:

http://www.rightsforartists.com/

They address just about every question and gray area, such as what "fair use" is and isn't. So far I've always found their information to be accurate, and easy to understand.

Kudos to SV and it's members for having a mature and respectful attitude about this subject. :)

And yes, if anyone tried to claim ownership of my artwork, it'd be very easy to pull the "Which of us can provide the 100MB, 30-layer photoshop file, hmmmm?" card.