Bards nerfed? Why?

[Zipito]

Why is it that bards are being mega nerfed when they are that good in the first place. I'm a bard level 16, and know some who are 20 but never have bards been able to kill anyone but for warriors casters and some offensive fighter. They are the least of the problems in vanguard. I have to run from 60% of my fights. They haven't even touched Healers at all. Bloodmage being the most rigged class in the game able to hit like a sorc but heal like a cleric. Its completely ridiculous. They need to stop nerfing classes that don't need nerfing and hit classes like Ranger, Bloodmage, Clerics and classes of that sort. Rangers can hit you for 800 in 3 seconds if they use all there bow shots. Bloodmage like I mentioned before can kill anyone within minutes and get a 45second bind. Clerics are unable to defeat unless u drain there whole mana. Vanguard needs to stop dicking around and nerfing the weak classes and hit the overpowered ones. I want to like Vanguard and till now i have, but this new patch making our stance drop from 18% dodge to 10% and our power dramically is getting on my freaking nerves. :yell:

[Varel]

You seen necro lately?

I'm a bard and i two box witha Cleric. I'm a GOOD player. I know where it's at and my kits was recently upgraded. Most people don't even realise i duobox to look at me, put it that way.

I was outgunned from my hunt zone by a Necro, in crap kit at that.

That is NOT right. Sigil...i've said it before. Stop dicking with the classes.


/peace

[Calinae]

You seen necro lately?


/peace

Necro here. I am waiting for my nerf. I know it is coming. When it does, I will adjust. I won't come on here screaming and crying and threatening to leave because I understand that this is being done for the good of the entire game, not just me.

[Kasurot]

Why is it that bards are being mega nerfed when they are that good in the first place. I'm a bard level 16, and know some who are 20 but never have bards been able to kill anyone but for warriors casters and some offensive fighter. They are the least of the problems in vanguard. I have to run from 60% of my fights. They haven't even touched Healers at all. Bloodmage being the most rigged class in the game able to hit like a sorc but heal like a cleric. Its completely ridiculous. They need to stop nerfing classes that don't need nerfing and hit classes like Ranger, Bloodmage, Clerics and classes of that sort. Rangers can hit you for 800 in 3 seconds if they use all there bow shots. Bloodmage like I mentioned before can kill anyone within minutes and get a 45second bind. Clerics are unable to defeat unless u drain there whole mana. Vanguard needs to stop dicking around and nerfing the weak classes and hit the overpowered ones. I want to like Vanguard and till now i have, but this new patch making our stance drop from 18% dodge to 10% and our power dramically is getting on my freaking nerves. :yell:

Just remember, while blood mages do lots of damage and can heal... they also have next to no defense.

[Evilbunnies]

You seriously didn't think they were going to let us keep our 85%+ melee evasion lvl 34+ right?

[Sentek]

Is it just me or are pet classes usually the last to get nerfed? I remember in EQ2 the pet classes were overpowered for a long while there.

Just a curious observation not a complaint.

[Sickpuppy]

Is it just me or are pet classes usually the last to get nerfed? I remember in EQ2 the pet classes were overpowered for a long while there.

Just a curious observation not a complaint.

Notice the two highest levels. 44 necro and 43 psionicist. The next highest level down is 39. And I know for a fact the 43 psionicist doesn't play anywhere near as much as most of the level 37-39 players. Still, they continue to receive buffs every patch without fail. ;)

Psionicists getting regular buffs has actually become a running joke within my guild. That and the bard movespeed tweaking.

[Vryce]

Why is it that bards are being mega nerfed when they are that good in the first place. I'm a bard level 16, and know some who are 20 but never have bards been able to kill anyone but for warriors casters and some offensive fighter. They are the least of the problems in vanguard. I have to run from 60% of my fights. They haven't even touched Healers at all. Bloodmage being the most rigged class in the game able to hit like a sorc but heal like a cleric. Its completely ridiculous. They need to stop nerfing classes that don't need nerfing and hit classes like Ranger, Bloodmage, Clerics and classes of that sort. Rangers can hit you for 800 in 3 seconds if they use all there bow shots. Bloodmage like I mentioned before can kill anyone within minutes and get a 45second bind. Clerics are unable to defeat unless u drain there whole mana. Vanguard needs to stop dicking around and nerfing the weak classes and hit the overpowered ones. I want to like Vanguard and till now i have, but this new patch making our stance drop from 18% dodge to 10% and our power dramically is getting on my freaking nerves. :yell:

If you didn't already know, PVP balance, while better than an afterthought, is a secondary consideration to PVE balance. These were PVE changes. If they make you worse at PVP, get some info together and pass it on. Eventually, I'm sure, they'll do a PVP specific pass for each of the classes.

[Multiplex]

If you didn't already know, PVP balance, while better than an afterthought, is a secondary consideration to PVE balance. These were PVE changes. If they make you worse at PVP, get some info together and pass it on. Eventually, I'm sure, they'll do a PVP specific pass for each of the classes.

Not trying to be confrontational (I swear!) but where are you getting this insider info that a bunch of these changes aren't being made due to PVP balancing issues?

[Elrar]

Not trying to be confrontational (I swear!) but where are you getting this insider info that a bunch of these changes aren't being made due to PVP balancing issues?

It's not insider knowledge, it's the fact that we've stated it many a time :)

[Mreynolds]

It's not insider knowledge, it's the fact that we've stated it many a time :)

Blunt and simple is the key to greatness

[Multiplex]

It's not insider knowledge, it's the fact that we've stated it many a time :)

Well, even though many developers of other games have said the exact same thing... I certainly won't call you a liar.

I'm glad that no PVP balancing is affecting PVE class design. :) Thanks for responding.

[Marissa]

I'm glad that no PVP balancing is affecting PVE class design. :) Thanks for responding.

I agree. :)

[Hanabi Omoide]

Notice the two highest levels. 44 necro and 43 psionicist. The next highest level down is 39. And I know for a fact the 43 psionicist doesn't play anywhere near as much as most of the level 37-39 players. Still, they continue to receive buffs every patch without fail. ;)

Psionicists getting regular buffs has actually become a running joke within my guild. That and the bard movespeed tweaking.

That's an awfully ill-informed, misleading or deceitful way of spinning things,
take your pick. In the last two patches Psis have had their ability to charm
high level mobs, and 3+ dot mobs seriously nerfed... when the 4+ dot mobs
do get charmed now, they often break early and have their DPS artificially
capped lower than it is pre-charm (and post-charm break I might add)...
we've had time stop nerfed both on recast and with respect to diminishing
returns...

Now, I'm not suggesting that this wasn't needed by any means. Charming
4 dots was obscene early on... chaining time stop stupified many difficult
encounters... Still, one can hardly argue fairly that we've been getting
regular buffs without mentioning such nerfs.

Benefit-wise, the note worthy ones seem to be the changes to the casting time
of time stop ( which was later corrected with the recast timer and diminishing
returns mentioned above ), and the recent changes to acumen. As I noted
in game last night, my energy regen from Vitality at L24 (110ish Vitality, I
think) is 13.62 energy PER SECOND. The new, augmented regeneration rate
for the acumen buff is 30 PER SIX SECONDS. Hardly something to get
class envy over.

I would be curious to hear where you think Psis have otherwise received
unwarrented benefit through patches. Actually, I would like to hear how you
think Psis have been anything but seriously (and deservingly) nerfed in net
since launch.

[Snuggles]

That's an awfully ill-informed, misleading or deceitful way of spinning things,
take your pick. In the last two patches Psis have had their ability to charm
high level mobs, and 3+ dot mobs seriously nerfed... when the 4+ dot mobs
do get charmed now, they often break early and have their DPS artificially
capped lower than it is pre-charm (and post-charm break I might add)...
we've had time stop nerfed both on recast and with respect to diminishing
returns...

Now, I'm not suggesting that this wasn't needed by any means. Charming
4 dots was obscene early on... chaining time stop stupified many difficult
encounters... Still, one can hardly argue fairly that we've been getting
regular buffs without mentioning such nerfs.

Benefit-wise, the note worthy ones seem to be the changes to the casting time
of time stop ( which was later corrected with the recast timer and diminishing
returns mentioned above ), and the recent changes to acumen. As I noted
in game last night, my energy regen from Vitality at L24 (110ish Vitality, I
think) is 13.62 energy PER SECOND. The new, augmented regeneration rate
for the acumen buff is 30 PER SIX SECONDS. Hardly something to get
class envy over.

I would be curious to hear where you think Psis have otherwise received
unwarrented benefit through patches. Actually, I would like to hear how you
think Psis have been anything but seriously (and deservingly) nerfed in net
since launch.

Bards nerfed, Look what they did to the rangers, we can hit sh*t now.....

[Rowain deWolf]

I would be curious to hear where you think Psis have otherwise received
unwarrented benefit through patches. Actually, I would like to hear how you
think Psis have been anything but seriously (and deservingly) nerfed in net
since launch.

Trying to apply logic in a "whine whine I have no god-mode anymore"-thread. How dare you?!

Fact is there are people that think havin 70+% evasion is well rounded and balanced. The same as there have been people that thought 60-70% crit chance was all right.

The more intelligent players try to help the Devs to get the class were it belongs neither overpowered nor underpowered but during the first day after a patch those threads don't emerge ;)

[Varel]

Necro here. I am waiting for my nerf. I know it is coming. When it does, I will adjust. I won't come on here screaming and crying and threatening to leave because I understand that this is being done for the good of the entire game, not just me.

Haha, i'm glad that Necro being uberly powerfull isn't just in my head :D

I was actually considering re-rolling to one...but i'll see if u get nerfed any time soon first ^__^

/peace

[Lithran]

Necro here. I am waiting for my nerf. I know it is coming. When it does, I will adjust. I won't come on here screaming and crying and threatening to leave because I understand that this is being done for the good of the entire game, not just me.


I agree. I am a necro also and love it. I know we are going to be nerfed. I have played enough nerfed classes to KNOW that we are overpowered right now. We are not the top overpowered class right now in VG, but I can feel the nerf bat cross hairs.

P.s forgot to add. Even though we are going to get nerfed, I won't be coming on here complaining about it, because I made this class and knew that they would be nerfed later on in game. Worse comes to worse I will just create a new character with the same name, different class. (means deleting this guy of course)

[thouartsimple]

And my warrior progresses!

[Rsaetan]

Lol even after Elrar's post we will still the the non stop flames saying "OMG stop saying this is a PvE game first, I am not going to believe that" everytime the subject of OP'd classes comes up.

[Korupt]

Why is it that bards are being mega nerfed when they are that good in the first place. I'm a bard level 16, and know some who are 20 but never have bards been able to kill anyone but for warriors casters and some offensive fighter. They are the least of the problems in vanguard. I have to run from 60% of my fights. They haven't even touched Healers at all. Bloodmage being the most rigged class in the game able to hit like a sorc but heal like a cleric. Its completely ridiculous. They need to stop nerfing classes that don't need nerfing and hit classes like Ranger, Bloodmage, Clerics and classes of that sort. Rangers can hit you for 800 in 3 seconds if they use all there bow shots. Bloodmage like I mentioned before can kill anyone within minutes and get a 45second bind. Clerics are unable to defeat unless u drain there whole mana. Vanguard needs to stop dicking around and nerfing the weak classes and hit the overpowered ones. I want to like Vanguard and till now i have, but this new patch making our stance drop from 18% dodge to 10% and our power dramically is getting on my freaking nerves. :yell:

I'm done til they finish with all the "balancing". I just returned the Limited Edition I bought for a 2nd account. Let your wallet give the feedback bro, check back in a few months.

[Sickpuppy]

That's an awfully ill-informed, misleading or deceitful way of spinning things,
take your pick. In the last two patches Psis have had their ability to charm
high level mobs, and 3+ dot mobs seriously nerfed... when the 4+ dot mobs
do get charmed now, they often break early and have their DPS artificially
capped lower than it is pre-charm (and post-charm break I might add)...
we've had time stop nerfed both on recast and with respect to diminishing
returns...

Now, I'm not suggesting that this wasn't needed by any means. Charming
4 dots was obscene early on... chaining time stop stupified many difficult
encounters... Still, one can hardly argue fairly that we've been getting
regular buffs without mentioning such nerfs.

Benefit-wise, the note worthy ones seem to be the changes to the casting time
of time stop ( which was later corrected with the recast timer and diminishing
returns mentioned above ), and the recent changes to acumen. As I noted
in game last night, my energy regen from Vitality at L24 (110ish Vitality, I
think) is 13.62 energy PER SECOND. The new, augmented regeneration rate
for the acumen buff is 30 PER SIX SECONDS. Hardly something to get
class envy over.

I would be curious to hear where you think Psis have otherwise received
unwarrented benefit through patches. Actually, I would like to hear how you
think Psis have been anything but seriously (and deservingly) nerfed in net
since launch.

Actually I don't play a Psionicist so my information about them getting buffed is coming from the two highest level Psionicists in the game. They _tried_ to nerf charm a couple of patches ago but, according to the psis, they made it easier and faster for them to grind. I'm not going to go into details on why. :)

I'm not even that fussed about them being able to solo grind extremely fast (although it does get frustrating at times), I just think it's silly how they can solo 6dot raid bosses in less than 60seconds.

[Cyrce]

Actually I don't play a Psionicist so my information about them getting buffed is coming from the two highest level Psionicists in the game. They _tried_ to nerf charm a couple of patches ago but, according to the psis, they made it easier and faster for them to grind. I'm not going to go into details on why. :)

Do tell. I'd love to hear. Oh wait....you're just making stuff up.

I'm not even that fussed about them being able to solo grind extremely fast (although it does get frustrating at times), I just think it's silly how they can solo 6dot raid bosses in less than 60seconds.

Dude, shut up and stop spewing bullshit.

[matraque]

I play a bard and i have over 300 infamy (don't ask my why).

When i PVP, i'm always in a group with my guild. We never take a fight alone. We fight as a group and use Vent.

PVP should not be balance 1 on 1.

[Pyat]

Necro here. I am waiting for my nerf. I know it is coming. When it does, I will adjust. I won't come on here screaming and crying and threatening to leave because I understand that this is being done for the good of the entire game, not just me.

More like u play a bard and are trying to get other classes nerfed.....I play a 33 necro and I have grouped with almost every class type in the game....If you think Necro's are due for a nerf u are a jacka$$..

[Hexcaliber]

More like u play a bard and are trying to get other classes nerfed.....I play a 33 necro and I have grouped with almost every class type in the game....If you think Necro's are due for a nerf u are a jacka$$..

I really wouldn't be surprised if that were the case, necro's are no where near as powerful as many other classes. I refer to no one in particular with this comment, but far too many weenies get beat in pvp or can't accept that another gamer may actually be far better playing their own class, then scream and cry on forums demanding some thing be done.

I am sure Sigil are still tracking stats like dps, survivability, number and level of npc's engaged at once etc as they were in beta. This grants them a far more accurate appreciation of overall balance between classes and their intended roles than anyone whining about nerfs in a forum. As it stands ALL classes need further attention and re balancing, so that groups end up with a more even spread of classes. Watching groups comprised solely of healers storming through any dungeon they please is just one example that class balancing has a long way to go yet.

Also, to suggest a class is overpowered simply because the highest level players play class x is simply asinine, polkadots the necro in question is necro class specialist over on TTH and knows the class inside out as he played it extensively during beta. While I would never attempt to speak on anyones behalf, I wouldn't be surprised if he had more or less planned out where and how he intended to grind before the game even went live. If the top 50 players were all class X then there would be a real cause for concern, but that isn't the case.

[Vanboi123]

Clerics plate and heals tank better than monks 60% evasion stance....so why are monks so overpowered again? My monk in harmoninous stance with 60% evasion would die long before any of the healers do, so are healers overpowered? lol this thread is a joke

[lexisss]

Why is it that bards are being mega nerfed when they are that good in the first place. I'm a bard level 16, and know some who are 20 but never have bards been able to kill anyone but for warriors casters and some offensive fighter. They are the least of the problems in vanguard. I have to run from 60% of my fights. They haven't even touched Healers at all. Bloodmage being the most rigged class in the game able to hit like a sorc but heal like a cleric. Its completely ridiculous. They need to stop nerfing classes that don't need nerfing and hit classes like Ranger, Bloodmage, Clerics and classes of that sort. Rangers can hit you for 800 in 3 seconds if they use all there bow shots. Bloodmage like I mentioned before can kill anyone within minutes and get a 45second bind. Clerics are unable to defeat unless u drain there whole mana. Vanguard needs to stop dicking around and nerfing the weak classes and hit the overpowered ones. I want to like Vanguard and till now i have, but this new patch making our stance drop from 18% dodge to 10% and our power dramically is getting on my freaking nerves. :yell:


Ummm what rock do you live under??? Clerics got a fat nerf to heals and damage, but you dont see me whining about it.....

[Murugan]

At first I was really dissapointed that there was no official forum for Vanguard.

But looking at how the first like four posts of every forum (and the most active) are:

"Why did you nerf (insert class here)"

According to you people every single class seems to get nerfed into unplayability every single patch.

I guess I just must suck so much normally that I haven't noticed it.

Here are some simple solutions that probably work across the board to fix these problems:

1. If you are soloing and they changed your class in the patch, it is probably just going to take a little work to figure out a new way to solo more effectivley, it doesn't mean they ruined your class.

2. If you are in a group, try utilizing the weakness system. You will notice your damage, your group's damage, and your usefulness will skyrocket. Also I have grouped with almost all of the classes and must just group with really hardcore power gamers because despite of the earth shattering nerfs I haven't noticed any particularly weak class compared to imbalance in other games.

3. If you are talking about PvP, I wouldn't know I moved off the PvP server after 5 hours. But I believe the proper response your looking for is "quit your whining and learn to play".

[imurmstr]

class balancing is a joke in my opinion, you cant take a dps class and make em even with a healer nor a tank even with a caster it doesnt make any since to try I play the classes I play for enjoyment of fantasy,when a tank can cast direct dmg spells and buff and a bloodmage tanks for my group and a ranger heals its time for me to quit playing any game alltogether. Accept your str and weaknesses enjoy wht you do and what you cant do thats wht makes the challenge and the need to group with classes that fill your voids. So i ask again please dont hit any classes with the nerf bat, or whiners whine wht one class can do and you cant, Just switch classes or just be happy with the one you have balancing attempts to please every one is futile. been with eq1 since 99 and there were class changes almost every patch never making all happy they helped a class or 2 granted, but at wht cost. to the real gamer it doesnt matter if your class sucks hind tit or not its the fun of being what you are. I know there are always going to be changes to classes but its for the benefit of the game not an attentional smack on any one or any single class intentionaly.