The jesus tomb finding a hoax?

[sctt859]

Wouldnt of christians/people of that time would of rather burned up jesus`s body or w/e to prove he really did have a ressurection rather then buring him to disprove their religion?

[Dazzler Desiderare]

I want some of what those religious freaks had...Until "god" himself materializes on earth and does a interview on the Colbert Nation, im gonna have to say god does not and has not ever exsisted. :)

[Peli]

Wouldnt of christians/people of that time would of rather burned up jesus`s body or w/e to prove he really did have a ressurection rather then buring him to disprove their religion?

Total hoax. It's like me heading out to my local graveyard that is over 130 years old (there are Civil War vets buried there and its pretty run down) and finding a tombstone that you can read "George" as the first name, but there is no last name and claiming that this Must be the tomb of George Washington! Don't mind the small fact that I live in Illinois and I've been to ol' GW's tomb in Virginia...

It's just silly to think that someone could believe such utter bullshit as this is. It's a movie by the guy who did TITANIC! That should be a dead giveaway that if you watch this movie you should just lie down in front of a truck afterwards to save you the heartache that reminiscing about it will cause.

[Darkmoore]

Total hoax. It's like me heading out to my local graveyard that is over 130 years old (there are Civil War vets buried there and its pretty run down) and finding a tombstone that you can read "George" as the first name, but there is no last name and claiming that this Must be the tomb of George Washington! Don't mind the small fact that I live in Illinois and I've been to ol' GW's tomb in Virginia...

It's just silly to think that someone could believe such utter bullshit as this is. It's a movie by the guy who did TITANIC! That should be a dead giveaway that if you watch this movie you should just lie down in front of a truck afterwards to save you the heartache that reminiscing about it will cause.

Let's see. It was found with a coffer that also said Mary and a smaller one that read Judas, son of Jesus and Mary.

BTW, it's not a movie. It's a documentary. Very big difference.

Edit: And believing in a bunch of letters written by men, assembled by men, and a religion forced upon the majority of the world at the point of a sword ISN'T utter bullshit?? Wow. Interesting criteria you have there.

[Peli]

Let's see. It was found with a coffer that also said Mary and a smaller one that read Judas, son of Jesus and Mary.

BTW, it's not a movie. It's a documentary. Very big difference.

Edit: And believing in a bunch of letters written by men, assembled by men, and a religion forced upon the majority of the world at the point of a sword ISN'T utter bullshit?? Wow. Interesting criteria you have there.

Because we all know that there is only ONE Jesus ever to exist and ONE Mary. Oh, and the fact that two people may have been married and had a child named Judas. Seems to me to be a lot of assumptions in the plot of this story that should peak the Bullshit Radar of any educated person. Jerusalem was a HUGE place back in the time of the Romans and to think that there was only one guy named Jesus or one woman named Mary is a little short sighted. I akin it to saying that there is only one Michael and one Jessica in all of oh, I don't know... Cleveland, Ohio for example. Not very likely, right? OK, well how about a more uncommon name like Oscar and Jasmine. Still probably more than one of each to have existed in a given timeframe? Most definitely.

Without proof that this was Jesus OF NAZARETH and Mary MAGDELINE all this is is off-the-wall speculation based on a shaky foundation of assumptions and a fantastic storyline that is feeding off of the contempt the world seems to have for Christianity at this time.

Believe what you want, but the days of the Christian Church imposing its beliefs on the world at the point of a sword are long over, but it seems that Islams own version of this religious fervor is just beginning. Why do you not question Islam's existence and challenge the beliefs of those who believe the teachings of Muhammad by making anecdotal remarks about the actions of a few unjustly splattered across the canvas to represent all those in that faith? I suspect its because your a jaded human being whose views on the world are shaped more by what you see on TV and read on the internet than what you actually go out and experience.

Before you start pointing any sort of fingers at Christianity and its supposed "drain on society" you should realize that Christians (and Christian Americans in particular) give far more per capita to charities on an annual basis than any other demographic in THE WORLD. Do not try to pull any uninformed BS out to diminish the greater good that a faith that highly encourages alms-giving and actively improving the lives of all those around them through self-sacrifice. Far too many good men in history have given all they own and their lives to furthering the Christian cause and improving the lives of millions around the world for some anonymous person on the internet to cut down their beliefs using some very uneducated remarks. That goes for anyone's belief I don't care who you are or where you are from, the least respect you can give someone is their freedom to not be harassed by secular views that constantly are trying to poke holes in one of the things most dear to them, their faith.

[Elgarr]

Total hoax. It's like me heading out to my local graveyard that is over 130 years old (there are Civil War vets buried there and its pretty run down) and finding a tombstone that you can read "George" as the first name, but there is no last name and claiming that this Must be the tomb of George Washington! Don't mind the small fact that I live in Illinois and I've been to ol' GW's tomb in Virginia...

It's just silly to think that someone could believe such utter bullshit as this is. It's a movie by the guy who did TITANIC! That should be a dead giveaway that if you watch this movie you should just lie down in front of a truck afterwards to save you the heartache that reminiscing about it will cause.

Well the way i look at it, is this. If it was discovered by the church and then anounced from the pope, you would have over 1billion people who belived it, but because it was anounced by a film director, people say its total crap. Well tbh who do you want to belive? The person who made bloody titanic, or the organisation that tried to cover up child molestation in its ranks for years ;)

[Peli]

Well the way i look at it, is this. If it was discovered by the church and then anounced from the pope, you would have over 1billion people who belived it, but because it was anounced by a film director, people say its total crap. Well tbh who do you want to belive? The person who made bloody titanic, or the organisation that tried to cover up child molestation in its ranks for years ;)

Catholic Church's Clergy in certain areas of the country != Christian community. Hell, I'm a practicing Catholic and I still have problems with the way the church handled that and many other situations. But unlike most of you, I've read the Bible, I've read books on Jesus and his message, Spirituality, and the like and only after all of this research and internal reflection have I come to the decision that Christianity is the right place for me.

The fact of the matter is, if something matters to you so much, you don't just jump ship the first time something tough comes along. You need to make an intelligent decision on the matter before jumping to conclusions. Sadly, if people weren't so impulsive to avoid any sort of hard decision making we wouldn't be plagued with a divorce rate that is over 1/3 and many other problems facing Americans today.

Now who among you Christian-bashing trolls can say they've put that much effort into anything in their life that is remotely as important? Or maybe even put that much effort into their debunking myths and theories about Christianity beyond seeing the DaVinci Code on movie (because heaven forbid some of you would have to pick up a book and read) or hearing about the Jesus tomb story on CNN? My guess is not many if any at all.

[Darkmoore]

Because we all know that there is only ONE Jesus ever to exist and ONE Mary. Oh, and the fact that two people may have been married and had a child named Judas. Seems to me to be a lot of assumptions in the plot of this story that should peak the Bullshit Radar of any educated person. Jerusalem was a HUGE place back in the time of the Romans and to think that there was only one guy named Jesus or one woman named Mary is a little short sighted. I akin it to saying that there is only one Michael and one Jessica in all of oh, I don't know... Cleveland, Ohio for example. Not very likely, right? OK, well how about a more uncommon name like Oscar and Jasmine. Still probably more than one of each to have existed in a given timeframe? Most definitely.

Without proof that this was Jesus OF NAZARETH and Mary MAGDELINE all this is is off-the-wall speculation based on a shaky foundation of assumptions and a fantastic storyline that is feeding off of the contempt the world seems to have for Christianity at this time.

Believe what you want, but the days of the Christian Church imposing its beliefs on the world at the point of a sword are long over, but it seems that Islams own version of this religious fervor is just beginning. Why do you not question Islam's existence and challenge the beliefs of those who believe the teachings of Muhammad by making anecdotal remarks about the actions of a few unjustly splattered across the canvas to represent all those in that faith? I suspect its because your a jaded human being whose views on the world are shaped more by what you see on TV and read on the internet than what you actually go out and experience.

Before you start pointing any sort of fingers at Christianity and its supposed "drain on society" you should realize that Christians (and Christian Americans in particular) give far more per capita to charities on an annual basis than any other demographic in THE WORLD. Do not try to pull any uninformed BS out to diminish the greater good that a faith that highly encourages alms-giving and actively improving the lives of all those around them through self-sacrifice. Far too many good men in history have given all they own and their lives to furthering the Christian cause and improving the lives of millions around the world for some anonymous person on the internet to cut down their beliefs using some very uneducated remarks. That goes for anyone's belief I don't care who you are or where you are from, the least respect you can give someone is their freedom to not be harassed by secular views that constantly are trying to poke holes in one of the things most dear to them, their faith.

Wow, hit a nerve did I? You really read a lot into just the couple of sentences that I wrote. Let's see, where to begin.

1) I didn't say anything about Islam because this thread wasn't concerning Islam in any way, shape, or form.

2) My views on the world are shaped by experience and research. Thank you for assuming you knew what my experiential and educational background was.

3) Not once did I say that Christians were a drain on society. I have no idea where you got that from. Out of the 3 major religions in the world, I would rather deal with Christians than any other. However, the MAJORITY of Christians do not behave in the manner that they are supposed to behave. Take yourself for example. From the tone of your reply I gather that you must really hate yourself. After all, the Bible teaches you to love your neighbor as you love yourself. You obviously have no love for someone who challenges your beliefs, therefore you don't love yourself.

4) Let's turn that harrassment phrase around, shall we? The least any of us can expect from a group that is supposed to be Christlike is not to have any of you prosteltyzing in our faces, standing in front of places like Planned Parenthood and calling women going into those buildings baby killers, saying that gay people are going to hell, etc. etc. ad infinitum. What we want is for you to take your Bible based morality and add some common sense to it. That's all. End of story.


P.S.- My trolling work here is done. Have a wonderful day, Churchy.

[Elgarr]

Catholic Church's Clergy in certain areas of the country != Christian community. Hell, I'm a practicing Catholic and I still have problems with the way the church handled that and many other situations. But unlike most of you, I've read the Bible, I've read books on Jesus and his message, Spirituality, and the like and only after all of this research and internal reflection have I come to the decision that Christianity is the right place for me.

The fact of the matter is, if something matters to you so much, you don't just jump ship the first time something tough comes along. You need to make an intelligent decision on the matter before jumping to conclusions. Sadly, if people weren't so impulsive to avoid any sort of hard decision making we wouldn't be plagued with a divorce rate that is over 1/3 and many other problems facing Americans today.

Now who among you Christian-bashing trolls can say they've put that much effort into anything in their life that is remotely as important? Or maybe even put that much effort into their debunking myths and theories about Christianity beyond seeing the DaVinci Code on movie (because heaven forbid some of you would have to pick up a book and read) or hearing about the Jesus tomb story on CNN? My guess is not many if any at all.

Ha ha i read enough of the bible to know one thing "live and let live" i am not bashing any peoples religons, what i said was, people have to make up there own mind. As for the statement i made regarding if it was the church that made the anouncement, people with a strong faith would belive it 100% Faith is a very powerful thing FACT :)

As you said yourself "The fact of the matter is, if something matters to you so much" This doesnt matter to me one bit, as it has no effect on my life one bit "at present." That said, its still always a good discussion to get into. Just like the Turin shroud.

[Jinpo]

Well, it's been about 2 weeks since the last time the MSM and Hollyleft have tried to destroy Christianity, so I guess that's why this is news.

How about a documentary about Islam, and how their prophet was a pedophile, married a 9 year old, and says "Slay the unbelievers wherever ye find them"?

Oh yeah, that's right. "Tolerance".

[Peli]

Well, it's been about 2 weeks since the last time the MSM and Hollyleft have tried to destroy Christianity, so I guess that's why this is news.

How about a documentary about Islam, and how their prophet was a pedophile, married a 9 year old, and says "Slay the unbelievers wherever ye find them"?

Oh yeah, that's right. "Tolerance".

A man (or woman) after my heart here. I find it hilarious that the world is sooo quick to point out cliche flaws in the White and Christian society but the second a counterpoint is made to another society and culture all of a sudden the brakes go on full force because "peoples' feelings might get hurt" when the general media is free to flog Christian beliefs and standards where ever and whenever possible.

Hypocracy and double standards for the win I suppose.

EDIT: This post was in response to the first half of Jinpo's post. I don't condone that harassment of anyone for any reason and especially not their beliefs or their faith. Having the media get a carte blanc for attacking my values only cheapens anything else that they may have to say that would be of any relavence.

[Jinpo]

A man (or woman) after my heart here. I find it hilarious that the world is sooo quick to point out cliche flaws in the White and Christian society but the second a counterpoint is made to another society and culture all of a sudden the brakes go on full force because "peoples' feelings might get hurt" when the general media is free to flog Christian beliefs and standards where ever and whenever possible.

Hypocracy and double standards for the win I suppose.

EDIT: This post was in response to the first half of Jinpo's post. I don't condone that harassment of anyone for any reason and especially not their beliefs or their faith. Having the media get a carte blanc for attacking my values only cheapens anything else that they may have to say that would be of any relavence.

Thanks, I think? lol

Muhammad did actually marry a 9 year old girl.

The Koran really does say: (Q 9:5 ) “Fight and slay the Unbelievers wherever ye find them. Seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war.”

[perfect]

...The Koran....

I can't resist.

The Koran or the Qur'an?

[Jinpo]

For Muslims: Qua'ran
For English: Koran

[perfect]

For Muslims: Qua'ran
For English: Koran

I wonder if that's the only word that changes spelling depending on the religion. Hrm.

<thinks>

Menage a trois, nope.
Chalupa, nope.
Blitzkrieg, nope.

Um...

[Peli]

I wonder if that's the only word that changes spelling depending on the religion. Hrm.

<thinks>

Menage a trois, nope.
Chalupa, nope.
Blitzkrieg, nope.

Um...

Um... YES!

What you are talking about is the difference between a translation for terms and an adoption of a term. How about something like

Jeshua (Aramaic) = Jesus in English
Biblos (Greek) = Bible (English)

Yes, they are similar but not the same but they mean the exact same thing.

Also, from Wikipedia (direct quote):

The Qur'ān [1] (Arabic: القرآن ‎al-qur’ān, literally "the recitation"; also called al-qur’ān al-karīm "The Noble Qur'ān"; also transliterated as Quran, Koran, and Al-Quran)

Lay off the man he used the correct word or at least do some research beforehand!

[perfect]

...Lay off the man he used the correct word or at least do some research beforehand!

I'm going to disagree with you. The word does not change because of religion.

[Jinpo]

I'm going to disagree with you. The word does not change because of religion.

It's not changing because of the religion, it's changing because of the language.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/koran

There are over 12 million hits on google for "Koran". I think it's safe to use.

[perfect]

It's not changing because of the religion, it's changing because of the language.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/koran

There are over 12 million hits on google for "Koran". I think it's safe to use.

I'm not saying that it's wrong.

I'm saying that the statement of

For Muslims: Qua'ran
For English: Koran

is wrong.

You're not talking about language cause Muslim ain't no language I've ever heard of. I'm left with religion being the primary motivator in changing the spelling.

<dances away>

[Peli]

I'm not saying that it's wrong.

I'm saying that the statement of



is wrong.

You're not talking about language cause Muslim ain't no language I've ever heard of. I'm left with religion being the primary motivator in changing the spelling.

<dances away>

*cough* Arabic *cough* It's the official language of the Muslim faith. Kind of like how Latin was the official language of the Catholic Church up until the 20th century. The difference in spelling is simply a difference in the translation of the word (they have the same phonetic sounding) it's like arguing the difference between "center" and "centre" in the english language: same meaning, same sound, different spelling.

You're literally arguing semantics now which is just pointless and a waste of time.

[perfect]

...You're literally arguing semantics now which is just pointless and a waste of time.

You think? I'm going to disagree with you.

[Jinpo]

You think? I'm going to disagree with you.

Dude, are you ok? I mean seriously, IRL? All the fries in your Value Meal?

[perfect]

Dude, are you ok? I mean seriously, IRL? All the fries in your Value Meal?

Perfect. Thanks for asking, though.

[Jinpo]

It's called paralysis from overanalysis.

[Gangster-Man]

Like George Carlin, I dont believe in God. When I want something, I pray to Joe Pesci

[Cursedy]

Catholic Church's Clergy in certain areas of the country != Christian community. Hell, I'm a practicing Catholic and I still have problems with the way the church handled that and many other situations. But unlike most of you, I've read the Bible, I've read books on Jesus and his message, Spirituality, and the like and only after all of this research and internal reflection have I come to the decision that Christianity is the right place for me.

The fact of the matter is, if something matters to you so much, you don't just jump ship the first time something tough comes along. You need to make an intelligent decision on the matter before jumping to conclusions. Sadly, if people weren't so impulsive to avoid any sort of hard decision making we wouldn't be plagued with a divorce rate that is over 1/3 and many other problems facing Americans today.

Now who among you Christian-bashing trolls can say they've put that much effort into anything in their life that is remotely as important? Or maybe even put that much effort into their debunking myths and theories about Christianity beyond seeing the DaVinci Code on movie (because heaven forbid some of you would have to pick up a book and read) or hearing about the Jesus tomb story on CNN? My guess is not many if any at all.

I was a devout Christian for a very long time but it always seemed to me that, no matter how often I read the bible, there were more questions left unanswered and more two facedness about the whole faith. The more I searched for answers, the more holes I found. I think if there really was a Jesus, son of god, then half his followers would be in hell by now for being hypocrites.

[Peli]

I was a devout Christian for a very long time but it always seemed to me that, no matter how often I read the bible, there were more questions left unanswered and more two facedness about the whole faith. The more I searched for answers, the more holes I found. I think if there really was a Jesus, son of god, then half his followers would be in hell by now for being hypocrites.

Being a hypocrite is not a sin. It's simply a cultural rule to act as you speak. The nice thing about Christianity is that even if you are a hypocrite or a liar, or a thief or even a murderer you are NOT condemned to Hell, all you have to do is fess up to your sins and ask for forgiveness. Bing. Bang. Boom. You now have a clean slate in the eyes of God to try to start a new life whether society will allow you to do so or not.

I'm sorry to hear that you only found questions when researching into your faith and I hope that you will have a revelation at a later time that will bring you back to the Faith. I find that studying the Bible and other spiritual texts is done much easier in a group setting like a Bible study or a Faith-based book club and I find that I learn the most about the Bible and myself when I discuss the readings openly with others.