GLBT Resources in Vanguad

[jonaku]

Is the Vanguard community GLBT-friendly? Are there are any well-known GLBT-friendly guids? Can we hold marriages in-game? Thanks.

[Rourke]

Is the Vanguard community GLBT-friendly? Are there are any well-known GLBT-friendly guids? Can we hold marriages in-game? Thanks.

I think..you may deserve a visit to the Volcano soon.

[jonaku]

I think..you may deserve a visit to the Volcano soon.

I'm not making a value judgement. Just asking the question in a nutral manner. Unless you find bringing up the existence of homosexuals as inherently offensive?

[Rourke]

I'm not making a value judgement. Just asking the question in a nutral manner. Unless you find bringing up the existence of homosexuals as inherently offensive?

I find your exsitence AS A GIANT TROLL offensive.

[Artemis-x-]

Is the Vanguard community GLBT-friendly? Are there are any well-known GLBT-friendly guids? Can we hold marriages in-game? Thanks.

erm GLBT is what? Good Looking Boy Toys?....lol it was a half serious question then i read the posts above me! lol

[Faite]

I'm not making a value judgement. Just asking the question in a nutral manner. Unless you find bringing up the existence of homosexuals as inherently offensive?

Can we get this troll tossed into the volcano already? Now he is , in a very stealthy way cutting at gays.

He is an ass. No Im not gay but I respect others and he obviously doesn't.

[Rourke]

erm GLBT is what? Good Looking Boy Toys?

omg..that is SOOO me.

[MagicNumbers]

I guess it depends on if someone is a bigot or not. I personally hang out with anyone regardless of lifestyle.

[entrails]

Is the Vanguard community GLBT-friendly? Are there are any well-known GLBT-friendly guids? Can we hold marriages in-game? Thanks.


GBLT? is that somemthing to do with sandwiches? :P

[Rourke]

Can we get this troll tossed into the volcano already? Now he is , in a very stealthy way cutting at gays.

He is an ass. No Im not gay but I respect others and he obviously doesn't.

That's what i was implying up top..but he tried to play the reversal card.

[Derakarsis]

I think..you may deserve a visit to the Volcano soon.

Meh, as much as I'd like to jump on board with the volcano idea- The question was, politically speaking, a valid one.

Setting my personal opinions aside:

To answer the original poster's question- No idea, but I imagine there are others playing with similar views- And I doubt someone is going to stake you up for an in game wedding- So long as you don't post some flagrant invitational notice about a hitching on the same side of the tracks or some nonsense.


**In the ten seconds it took to type this- I was already on page two- *sigh*

[jonaku]

erm GLBT is what? Good Looking Boy Toys?....lol it was a half serious question then i read the posts above me! lol

GLBT = gay lebian bisexul transgendrd (ironically the hierarchy is fallogocentric so sometimes its called LGBT)

[Rourke]

Meh, as much as I'd like to jump on board with the volcano idea- The question was, politically speaking, a valid one.

Setting my personal opinions aside:

To answer the original poster's question- No idea, but I imagine there are others playing with similar views- And I doubt someone is going to stake you up for an in game wedding- So long as you don't post some flagrant invitational notice about a hitching on the same side of the tracks or some nonsense.

The OP has no such cares......

[Labyrrinth]

Is the Vanguard community GLBT-friendly?

Just like in RL, some communities are, some aren't.

Are there are any well-known GLBT-friendly guids?

There are a few, you can find them listed here (http://www.silkyvenom.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=31)

Can we hold marriages in-game? Thanks.
I'm sure no one will object if you'd like to hold your own RP marriage in-game. As far as I know though, there aren't any GM's that will come along and marry you, regardless of your sexual orientation.

[Breezer]

I think..you may deserve a visit to the Volcano soon.

It's an older crowd so it's not quite as homophobic as some communities, but it's still a game, so it's still quite homophobic.

Shidreth seems to be the unofficial gay server with 2 "gay guilds"

I'm not exactly sure what about that post deserves to be sent to the volcano, but it's generally true that the people with 100s of posts don't stick around to make people feel welcome...

[Kenuda]

I'm not making a value judgement. Just asking the question in a nutral manner. Unless you find bringing up the existence of homosexuals as inherently offensive?

Why does it matter if a guild is friendly towards GBLT's. Good Bacon, Lettuce and tomato sandwich's are very hard to come buy and most guilds would love to have them.

All joking aside does it really matter, I have nothing agains't this so i would say my guild is but it is not written in the charter. Its a game!?!?

:confused:

[Artemis-x-]

GLBT = gay lebian bisexul transgendrd (ironically the hierarchy is fallogocentric so sometimes its called LGBT)

gotcha, learn something new every day. in that case to the OP, look out your window thats where we live too!

[Breezer]

I find your exsitence offensive.

You sound hot...

[Rourke]

It's an older crowd so it's not quite as homophobic as some communities, but it's still a game, so it's still quite homophobic.

Shidreth seems to be the unofficial gay server with 2 "gay guilds"

I'm not exactly sure what about that post deserves to be sent to the volcano, but it's generally true that the people with 100s of posts don't stick around to make people feel welcome...

OMG....lol....why is my wanting the Jones alt thrown in the Volcano being taken as a homophobe remark...WTH is that crap?? lol.

[Rourke]

You sound hot...

Your an idiot Mr. I can't see the forest though the trees...and thank you../kisses?

[jonaku]

OMG....lol....why is my wanting the Jones alt thrown in the Volcano being taken as a homophobe remark...WTH is that crap?? lol.

in WOW's forums, lesbian is a filtered term. u kinda remind me of that.

why would u get all anxious and frustrated at the very idea that i would like to know if the game is GLBT friendly and if there r GLBT guilds around? y is that an automatic "oh noes!" for u?

btw, i can only find 1 GLBT guild (http://www.prismaticgaze.com/)

there's no such thing as an official "marriage" game mechanic? like in SWG, you could formally give rings to each other and the game would recognize u as married in the user profile

[Vallas]

there's no such thing as an official "marriage" game mechanic? like in SWG, you could formally give rings to each other and the game would recognize u as married in the user profile

Not that I know of...for whatever reason marriage systems are not in many MMORPG's.

[Artemis-x-]

Not that I know of...for whatever reason marriage systems are not in many MMORPG's.

heard they've got it working 50% of the time in RL though

[Vallas]

heard they've got it working 50% of the time in RL though

lol..something like that :)

[Rourke]

in WOW's forums, lesbian is a filtered term. u kinda remind me of that.

why would u get all anxious and frustrated at the very idea that i would like to know if the game is GLBT friendly and if there r GLBT guilds around? y is that an automatic "oh noes!" for u?

btw, i can only find 1 GLBT guild (http://www.prismaticgaze.com/)

there's no such thing as an official "marriage" game mechanic? like in SWG, you could formally give rings to each other and the game would recognize u as married in the user profile

I have not one problem with anyone gay/staight/beastial/Veggiesexual.....my issue is with you and the fact that your starting trouble on every thread. That is all.

BTW...i'm a Veggiesexual.

and PPS...same last names work for most people.

[Derakarsis]

The OP has no such cares......

My faith in humanity is routinely smashed by my line of work and by the amount of time I've spent on the internet- Every once in a while I like to pretend... don't you like to pretend? :D

[Artemis-x-]

I have not one problem with anyone gay/staight/beastial/Veggiesexual.....my issue is with you and the fact that your starting trouble on every thread. That is all.

BTW...i'm a Veggiesexual.

bet you get some interesting sites if you type that into google!

[Labyrrinth]

btw, i can only find 1 GLBT guild (http://www.prismaticgaze.com/)



Here's the other I remember

http://www.silkyvenom.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5045&highlight=GLBT

[Vallas]

My faith in humanity is routinely smashed by my line of work and by the amount of time I've spent on the internet- Every once in a while I like to pretend... don't you like to pretend? :D

I use to be like you...filled with some glimmer of hope...but even the days of pretend are over.....

[Rourke]

bet you get some interesting sites if you type that into google!

LOL..is it a real thing?? I bet it is!!

[Breezer]

Your an idiot Mr. I can't see the forest though the trees...and thank you../kisses?

I didn't necessarily find your volcano comment offensive, when you said "I find your existence offensive"...
Call me hypersenstive (you know the gays often are) but I kind of took offense to that.


There's not marriage in the game yet, but there will be. I have no idea if they'll allow gay marriages, but if they do in SWG, then there's a good chance they will in Vanguard.

There's Prismatic Gaze and Pride of Telon, you can also /join gay on Shidreth and sometimes there's a couple people there from one guild or the other and I'm sure they'll be happy to invite you.

[Artemis-x-]

LOL..is it a real thing?? I bet it is!!

at work im not even going to try!

[Rourke]

My faith in humanity is routinely smashed by my line of work and by the amount of time I've spent on the internet- Every once in a while I like to pretend... don't you like to pretend? :D

I would if the OP hadn't proven otherwise 100 times already. If i thought this was a legit question, i would of anwered it respectfully. Instead..i took the low-road. Damn the low road....

[Faite]

GLBT = gay lebian bisexul transgendrd (ironically the hierarchy is fallogocentric so sometimes its called LGBT)

Too bad you were just trolling and not asking it legit.

[Breezer]

I would if the OP hadn't proven otherwise 100 times already. If i thought this was a legit question, i would of anwered it respectfully. Instead..i took the low-road. Damn the low road....

You took the increase-my-thread-count-with-stupid-childish-spam road like you always do.

Where's Jacosta, I'm sure he could have something moronic to not contribute?

[Breezer]

Too bad you were just trolling and not asking it legit.


Oh Faite! Now just waiting on Jacosta...

[Rourke]

I didn't necessarily find your volcano comment offensive, when you said "I find your existence offensive"...
Call me hypersenstive (you know the gays often are) but I kind of took offense to that.


There's not marriage in the game yet, but there will be. I have no idea if they'll allow gay marriages, but if they do in SWG, then there's a good chance they will in Vanguard.

There's Prismatic Gaze and Pride of Telon, you can also /join gay on Shidreth and sometimes there's a couple people there from one guild or the other and I'm sure they'll be happy to invite you.

I can understand that now..you misunderstood, but i aplogize for not being clearer as i can see why you thought that. I was referring to the OP and making a statement to fact that he is here to frustrate the community..if you
read his previuos postings, you will see that.

Again...my apologies if you thought i was making any digs towards people's sexual preferance..i was not, and would not.

[Faite]

Oh Faite! Now just waiting on Jacosta...

Shut up Breezer. :) We all know the OP was trolling.

[Labyrrinth]

Too bad you were just trolling and not asking it legit.


So far though, he's not the one causing a problem


Also, I'm not picking on you specifically Faite,, your post was just a good one to respond to for everyone who's following this thread

[Rourke]

So far though, he's not the one causing a problem


Also, I'm not picking on you specifically Faite,, your post was just a good one to respond to for everyone who's following this thread

In this post or on every other Lab? It's not like we are saying this for nothing. Jeepers...

[jonaku]

I have not one problem with anyone gay/staight/beastial/Veggiesexual.....


nice, i appreciate the marginalization.

i like how u equate homosexuality with bestiality just like santorum did. he used that same argument to defend keeping homosexuality as a CRIMINAL ACT in texas.

also like the sarcastic comment equating GLBT to sex with vegetables. real nice.

[Rourke]

nice, i appreciate the marginalization.

i like how u equate homosexuality with bestiality just like santorum did. he used that same argument to defend keeping homosexuality as a CRIMINAL ACT in texas.

also like the sarcastic comment equating GLBT to sex with vegetables. real nice.

nice sense of humor. trying to blow something out of proportion is cool.

[Labyrrinth]

In this post or on every other Lab? It's not like we are saying this for nothing. Jeepers...

So because a different post was what you refer to as flame bait, does that mean every single post the users makes should be treated as such?

I don't think so

[Faite]

So far though, he's not the one causing a problem


Also, I'm not picking on you specifically Faite,, your post was just a good one to respond to for everyone who's following this thread

He is a TROLL. LOL. Give me a break. You let this kind of thing go on and you slap my hand? Puhlease.

(I think if this goes on Ill be joining a few others in my exit from these boards. You let this guy insult a lifestyle and bait others, Wow just WOW. You know some of the posts about Silky just might have merit)

[Labyrrinth]

He is a TROLL. LOL. Give me a break. You let this kind of thing go on and you slap my hand? Puhlease.


Like I said, I wasn't slapping your hand, I wasn't picking on you specifically, etc

Did you miss that part of my post?

And to answer your question regarding trolls, see my response to Rourke please

[Faite]

Like I said, I wasn't slapping your hand, I wasn't picking on you specifically, etc

Did you miss that part of my post?

And to answer your question regarding trolls, see my response to Rourke please

No but this is just about my final straw. You let this guy TROLL a gay lifestyle and then you back him up.

Thats not moderation. I'm sorry.

[Rourke]

So because a different post was what you refer to as flame bait, does that mean every single post the users makes should be treated as such?

I don't think so

Then i guess he wins. Good Game. It's so obvious what he's doing it's mind-boggling. Just because we have players that are gay, it's a hot topic. Now..if we say anything against the jerkiest troll here..were all homophobes or on the attack, lmao. w/e.

[Labyrrinth]

No but this is just about my final straw. You let this guy TROLL a gay lifestyle and then you back him up.

Thats not moderation. I'm sorry.

Tell me exactly how he's trolling now - honestly I don't see it. According to a few of you, he may have been attempting to, I'll agree with that.

However, when answering the question legitmately I haven't seen a "troll post" reply from him. Have you?

At the same time, I see a couple of you guys calling him out without even trying to answer the question which of course only incites more flames... or do you disagree with that?

[Faite]

Then i guess he wins. Good Game. It's so obvious what he's doing it's mind-boggling. Just because we have players that are gay, it's a hot topic. Now..if we say anything against the jerkiest troll here..were all homophobes or on the attack, lmao. w/e.

I think Ive been around the block enough in life to know one when I see one. He was trolling and specifically chose a topic that would inflame people.

He then played the innocent when he was called on it.

Now, the Silky 'moderator' (sorry I can't use that term seriously here anymore) wants to moderate those of us standing up for said lifestyle and prventing this guy from making light of it.

Whatever. So totally wrong on so many levels my brain can't even wrap around it.

[Atoyota]

I find your exsitence offensive.

LOL this thread is so typical...

[Rourke]

I think Ive been around the block enough in life to know one when I see one. He was trolling and specifically chose a topic that would inflame people.

He then played the innocent when he was called on it.

Now, the Silky 'moderator' (sorry I can't use that term seriously here anymore) wants to moderate those of us standing up for said lifestyle and prventing this guy from making light of it.

Whatever. So totally wrong on so many levels my brain can't even wrap around it.

I agree with Faite wholeheartdly here. AND we don't agree a lot do we Faite, lol. She nailed it.

[jonyak]

I think Ive been around the block enough in life to know one when I see one. He was trolling and specifically chose a topic that would inflame people.

He then played the innocent when he was called on it.

Now, the Silky 'moderator' (sorry I can't use that term seriously here anymore) wants to moderate those of us standing up for said lifestyle and prventing this guy from making light of it.

Whatever. So totally wrong on so many levels my brain can't even wrap around it.

I agree.

[Faite]

Tell me exactly how he's trolling now. According to a few of you, he may have been attempting to, I'll agree with that.

However, when answering the question legitemately I haven't seen a "troll post" reply from him. Have you?

At the same time, I see a couple of you guys calling him out without even trying to answer the question which of course only incites more flames... or do you disagree with that?

I just can't even argue this, if you can't see what he did. I can't explain it.

I'm sorry.

Dropping this now but you might want to get some perspective.

Its great to be a free for all forum....but if it gets too far out of hand then things get beyond bad.

Blizzard does not allow these types of references for a reason, they are inflammatory . Period. Especially under the guise that he was actually asking a legit question.

You want to think he is, thats up to you. I have gay friends, I resent that he is allowed to do it.

I'm done. (almost done editing to add, you have the nerve to reprimand people sticking up for this, yet you let the drivel that goes on around here stick around, Ive seen posts INSULTING Sigil beyond belief that lay around like trash. Nothing is said, nothing is done. And I call out a true (really bad) troll and you want to get on my case? You know if you moderated everyone Id take my hit like a woman. But you let so much go and then come down on people sticking up for something real. No wonder Denidil freaking went off the deep end around here)

[Labyrrinth]

I think Ive been around the block enough in life to know one when I see one. He was trolling and specifically chose a topic that would inflame people.

He then played the innocent when he was called on it.

Now, the Silky 'moderator' (sorry I can't use that term seriously here anymore) wants to moderate those of us standing up for said lifestyle and prventing this guy from making light of it.

Whatever. So totally wrong on so many levels my brain can't even wrap around it.


If I were "moderating" you I'd send you a PM.
I joined in the conversation.
There is a difference

[Rourke]

LOL this thread is so typical...

sigh..really dude....are you gonna go there too? lemme edit that now so we can be clear....

[jonaku]

Originally Posted by jonaku
nice, i appreciate the marginalization.

i like how u equate homosexuality with bestiality just like santorum did. he used that same argument to defend keeping homosexuality as a CRIMINAL ACT in texas.

also like the sarcastic comment equating GLBT to sex with vegetables. real nice.

=======================================

nice sense of humor. trying to blow something out of proportion is cool.

i find nothing amusing about the argument that homosexuality should be considered punishable by jail. i find nothing amusing equating homosexuality with bestiality. arguing that someone is blowing something out of proportion is the very definition of marginalization. u should just apologize and be done with it.

i am done w/ you. that is all.

[Rourke]

I find your exsitence AS A GIANT TROLL offensive.

Better Atoyota? That is what i meant. Take it for what it's worth...

[Rourke]

i find nothing amusing about the argument that homosexuality should be considered punishable by jail. i find nothing amusing equating homosexuality with bestiality. arguing that someone is blowing something out of proportion is the very definition of marginalization. u should just apologize and be done with it.

i am done w/ you. that is all.

I won't apologize for not caring what you do behind closed doors. BTW beatialty IS legal in at LEAST 1 state that i know of.

[Atoyota]

I find your exsitence AS A GIANT TROLL offensive.
hint= don't feed the trolls, exspecially the giant ones!

[jonyak]

If I were "moderating" you I'd send you a PM.
I joined in the conversation.
There is a difference

I just wish this guy had a name that was maybe a little bit different than mine.

I don't wanna get lumped in with him.

[Faite]

If I were "moderating" you I'd send you a PM.
I joined in the conversation.
There is a difference

Fair enough but I stand by my comments about the trash that lays around here while people complaining about said trash get reprimanded. If you were just participating its my mistake. I took it as moderation because of your forum title and rights.(I stick up for Silky because of a respect not because I always agree about some of the stuff going on in regard to what stays on these boards)

[Rourke]

hint= don't feed the trolls, exspecially the giant ones!

i know..i cant help it though.

[jonyak]

Fair enough but I stand by my comments about the trash that lays around here while people complaining about said trash get reprimanded. If you were just participating its my mistake. I took it as moderation because of your forum title and rights.(I stick up for Silky because of a respect not because I always agree about some of the stuff going on in regard to what stays on these boards)

I agree.

[Atoyota]

i know..i cant help it though.

/sigh....

[Rourke]

/sigh....

lol

[jonaku]

Blizzard does not allow these types of references for a reason, they are inflammatory . Period. Especially under the guise that he was actually asking a legit question.

ur wrong.

actually, blizz DOES allow these discussions on their General forum.

remember the case where a GM in WOW warned a player for using General channel to invite peeps to their GLBT-friendly guild? eventually GLBT organizations wrote threatening legal letters to blizz. blizz caved, backtracked and implemented sensitivty training for their mods.


Especially under the guise that he was actually asking a legit question.

if it's a legit question, then why got all crazy about it? unless u somehow find the idea of GLBT inherently angering?

You know if you moderated everyone Id take my hit like a woman.

nice. i like the battered woman reference. this only promotes an insidious delegitimization of female power and independence. this reeks of misogyny.

[Faite]

Oh yea and while Im at it, Breezer, I don't post to up my post count.

I'm a member of a community Sigil has put their stamp of approval on. I pay for the game and I followed a link to this site and was told by Elrar in beta to trust this was the best way, to have 'affiliate' sites to 'strengthen' our community.

I am an active part of said community. I have been active and in my old guild
The Shadow Watch (maelstrom server/WOW) my post count was well over 1000 before anyone else due to my active nature in that guild (officer) and my post count on the wow forums probably was similar. I take my title 'forum monkey' seriously.

On EQ2 forums I was a regular as well...on Venekor. Made a lot of fun friends there.

I post a lot because I care and I try to help in most cases. However, I am sick and tired of trolls so YES I will start to snap at them because they are not put in the Volcano where they belong, they are allowed to breed like bad rabbits around here. (no offense rabbit, your a special rabbit)

I don't do it for some stupid post count. I have more things to worry about in my life than if I get a high post count.

Very stupid to assume those of us who post a lot care about that. We care about the game however.

[Rourke]

ur wrong.

Nice. i like the battered woman reference. this only promotes an insidious delegitimization of female power and independence. this reeks of misogyny.

I like how you took her saying "take her hit like a woman" meaning "like a man" and spun that too......No Lab's right...your not trying to inflame people. /bleah.....

[Faite]

ur wrong.

actually, blizz DOES allow these discussions on their General forum.

remember the case where a GM in WOW warned a player for using General channel to invite peeps to their GLBT-friendly guild? eventually GLBT organizations wrote threatening legal letters to blizz. blizz caved, backtracked and implemented sensitivty training for their mods.



if it's a legit question, then why got all crazy about it? unless u somehow find the idea of GLBT inherently angering?


nice. i like the battered woman reference. this only promotes an insidious delegitimization of female power and independence. this reeks of misogyny.


now Lab, if you can't take this post here and see what he is, then I can't help ya on human perception.

Hes quite the troll and continues it here in force.

Hes just a very sly little troll who hides behind a very legit yet sensitive topic.

He just implied I have anger lol, towards gays? Yea right...thats why some of my best best friends are gays? My husband works in a gay industry, I get to know these guys (reprographics).He now brings up battered women another sensitive issue. (and one i might add Ive had extensive experience in dealing with women who are battered)

That is all. I'm sorry Im jsut blown away at this point. Good thing i go out of town Thursday for a week, my post count cant stay static a while.....:rolleyes:

[jonaku]

No but this is just about my final straw.
Thats not moderation. I'm sorry.

ur raw lack of repect for the mod is embarassing. this insubordination should not be tolerated. i would NEVER talk to a mod like that in pubic. but whatever, do what u want. :rolleyes:

[Thergar]

A GLBT-friendly (read sodomy-friendly) game is not family-friendly. Period.

How many parents would willingly expose their children to the perversions of homosexuals? Worse, those paedophiles are apparently allowed to organize themselves in a guild.

The sodomites abusing the shout channel and regional chat to service their filthy agenda should be promptly banned.

The EULA states:


Your Content, whether in written, digital, oral, machine-readable, electronic or visual form, shall no

(c) be unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, tortious, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, libelous, pornographic or harmful to minors, invasive of another's right of privacy or publicity, hateful, racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable;

[Faite]

ur raw lack of repect for the mod is embarassing. this insubordination should not be tolerated. i would NEVER talk to a mod like that in pubic. but whatever, do what u want. :rolleyes:

Really? Well guess what Einstein, I've also defended her against many attacks out of respect for the fact she is a mod and has a job to do. Not out of always agreeing.


I'd do it with my best friend (and no shes not my best friend heh) I am certainly going to do it here.

I wouldn't mind if the boards were moderated to a better degree and then Labb said something to me. As I said id take it like a woman :) (yes like a woman)

[jonaku]

A GLBT-friendly (read sodomy-friendly) game is not family-friendly. Period.

How many parents would willingly expose their children to the perversions of homosexuals? Worse, those paedophiles are apparently allowed to organize themselves in a guild.

The tiny minority of sodomites abusing the shout channel and regional chat to service their filthy agenda should be promptly banned.

The EULA states:


what server u on?

[Labyrrinth]

Well, I treated as a legit question intially (which I know is still up for debate :) ) regardless, with this last gem of a post by Thergar there's no doubt it's now volcano fodder

[Zalere]

ur raw lack of repect for the mod is embarassing. this insubordination should not be tolerated. i would NEVER talk to a mod like that in pubic. but whatever, do what u want. :rolleyes:

Your grammar shouldn't be tolerated. Now you're beginning to incite flames. It's not so hard to detect.

[Rourke]

A GLBT-friendly (read sodomy-friendly) game is not family-friendly. Period.

How many parents would willingly expose their children to the perversions of homosexuals? Worse, those paedophiles are apparently allowed to organize themselves in a guild.

The sodomites abusing the shout channel and regional chat to service their filthy agenda should be promptly banned.

The EULA states:

must be Baptist...

[Aegorian]

I support this thread only if you include support for NAMBLA.

[Faite]

Go check out his other posts......yea.....Like I said, been around enough to know it when I see it. (That was before I looked up his vile postage in the past)

[Thergar]

Well, I treated as a legit question intially (which I know is still up for debate :) ) regardless, with this last gem of a post by Thergar there's no doubt it's now volcano fodder
So my legitimate concern of the safety of children was inappropriate to the general forums but the filthy, pro-homosexual crap some illiterate, sick individual posted was allowed?

[Faite]

So my legitimate concern of the safety of children was inappropriate to the general forums but the filthy, pro-homosexual crap some illiterate, sick individual posted was allowed?

I was'nt sure thats where you were going with that weird post but I thought it might be.

[Thergar]

must be Baptist...
I am not. Baptists (at least those I know) don't even play fantasy games because of polytheism and magic.

[jonyak]

I am not. Baptists (at least those I know) don't even play fantasy games because of polytheism and magic.

no you must be an idiot. its a fairly widespread religion.

[Thergar]

no you must be an idiot. its a fairly widespread religion.
Jonaku-pervert, is that your alt?

[Rourke]

I was'nt sure thats where you were going with that weird post but I thought it might be.

Yeah....that's pretty bad too. God...when did people get so warped in thinking? When it's an obvious troll..we have to give him a chance because he brings up the Gay/Lesbian issue....when that gets brought up ,someone comes out saying all gay/lesbians are pedophile sickos.....if we call out the OP on what he does, he says were homophobes and keeps the thread going......someone speaks out against gays and it gets Volcano'd instantly.

I don't know who is more wrong here anymore. But i do hate the world a bit more after this.

[Faite]

Yeah....that's pretty bad too. God...when did people get so warped in thinking? When it's an obvious troll..we have to give him a chance because he brings up the Gay/Lesbian issue....when that gets brought up ,someone comes out saying all gay/lesbians are pedophile sickos.....if we call out the OP on what he does, he says were homophobes and keeps the thread going......someone speaks out against gays and it gets Volcano'd instantly.

I don't know who is more wrong here anymore. But i do hate the world a bit more after this.

Yea like i said my brain just shut down when Labb posted :P. It was like all the wires went 'mayday mayday '.

[Rourke]

Yea like i said my brain just shut down when Labb posted :P. It was like all the wires went 'mayday mayday '.

seriously.....i think i need to take a break from here. It was fun for a couple months, but i think i see what is going on now. And i don't plan on saying it.

[Faite]

seriously.....i think i need to take a break from here. It was fun for a couple months, but i think i see what is going on now. And i don't plan on saying it.

Well Im not really mad....just was like...completely.....shocked that my post was called out (I wont say moderated) after all this other total bs crap I see around here that just flows on like sewage). I just could not believe it.

I don't mind being called out if say this was a very civil moderated forum however its not. It is a place to voice your opinion freely last I heard....

And that was sort of stifled today when I was standing up for what I believe in and some freaky little troll got the gold star of approval while I was told I was being an instigator.

lol, Ok really, it still blows me away.
Time for cappucinno, espresso makes things all nice. (double standards have always made my brain swim)

[Rourke]

Well Im not really mad....just was like...completely.....shocked that my post was called out (I wont say moderated) after all this other total bs crap I see around here that just flows on like sewage). I just could not believe it.

I don't mind being called out if say this was a very civil moderated forum however its not. It is a place to voice your opinion freely last I heard....

And that was sort of stifled today when I was standing up for what I believe in and some freaky little troll got the gold star of approval while I was told I was being an instigator.

lol, Ok really, it still blows me away.
Time for cappucinno, espresso makes things all nice. (double standards have always made my brain swim)


I'm gonna go call my wife at work and feel better...then go craft in game for a couple hours....that should numb my brain until my better-half gets home.

[perfect]

Hi, all!

What's going on in here?

[Atoyota]

Hi, all!

What's going on in here?

oh here you are!

[perfect]

oh here you are!

I heard someone was being naughty in here, but had to get my coffee first.

[Atoyota]

I heard someone was being naughty in here, but had to get my coffee first.

yeah a typical flame fest type of thread...

Actually the topic was'nt bad, just the OP and of course the others...

[Faite]

yeah a typical flame fest type of thread...

Actually the topic was'nt bad, just the OP and of course the others...

Don't even get me going again.

And Perfect, you'll have to read it and be sure to look up the OP past threads for good measure while you are at it (to give you an idea of his trolliness)

The original topic IS NOT BAD, it was that he was using it to troll with.

As to Rourke, lol....we are bad getting so worked up. We both need some chill pills.(heading out for my beloved espresso now)

[perfect]

yeah a typical flame fest type of thread...

Actually the topic was'nt bad, just the OP and of course the others...

The 'good Christians' that can't stand and/or don't accept everyone really make me giggle.

[perfect]

Don't even get me going again.

And Perfect, you'll have to read it and be sure to look up the OP past threads for good measure while you are at it (to give you an idea of his trolliness)

The original topic IS NOT BAD, it was that he was using it to troll with.

As to Rourke, lol....we are bad getting so worked up. We both need some chill pills.(heading out for my beloved espresso now)

Hey, doll. Yeah, I read it. I was just seeing if the idiots would respond to me. So far, no luck. Enjoy the coofeenie.

[Rourke]

Hey, doll. Yeah, I read it. I was just seeing if the idiots would respond to me. So far, no luck. Enjoy the coofeenie.

i think Faite was they only other person to call him out on it, no pun intended. But..yeah...he got on my last nerve...too much coffee today.

[Derakarsis]

i think Faite was they only other person to call him out on it, no pun intended. But..yeah...he got on my last nerve...too much coffee today.

Some of us were hopeful :D

[Rourke]

Some of us were hopeful :D

of? the subject matter? if so..i can understand that.....but unfortunatly...postings by the OP are always a bad thing.

[Derakarsis]

of? the subject matter? if so..i can understand that.....but unfortunatly...postings by the OP are always a bad thing.

No no, certainly not the subject matter, just faith in the validity of the the internet community- Forgive me, for I have sinned

[Rourke]

No no, certainly not the subject matter, just faith in the validity of the the internet community- Forgive me, for I have sinned

We're smart cookies here and can see a troll miles away....Right now the OP is sitting in his chair....most likely crying quietly in an angry rage...cutting himself with a chewed up pen cap....thinking of his next "brilliant" post to make on here.

[perfect]

We're smart cookies here and can see a troll miles away....

What did you call me?!?

[Atoyota]

The 'good Christians' that can't stand and/or don't accept everyone really make me giggle.

one of the reasons i've adopted my own rational approach to religion...

I believe in a God, I'm just a lot more inclusive in my beliefs.

[perfect]

one of the reasons i've adopted my own rational approach to religion...

I believe in a God, I'm just a lot more inclusive in my beliefs.

Just one? Wait, we have a thread on this.

I was just commenting on the appearance of many 'love thy neighbor' people being the first ones to say 'burn the witch'.

[Atoyota]

Just one? Wait, we have a thread on this.

I was just commenting on the appearance of many 'love thy neighbor' people being the first ones to say 'burn the witch'.

yeah i think the original message was twisted centurys ago, to suit the agenda of those who would control and manipulate.
It's just human nature... the devil made them do it :eek:

[Rourke]

Just one? Wait, we have a thread on this.

I was just commenting on the appearance of many 'love thy neighbor' people being the first ones to say 'burn the witch'.

No one did that here perfect. We called out a more than obvious Volcano'd troll. I would hope your not saying I or others besides the OBVIOUS one were being homophobes.

[perfect]

No one did that here perfect. We called out a more than obvious Volcano'd troll. I would hope your not saying I or others besides the OBVIOUS one were being homophobes.

I'm not, Rourke. I'm not going to point at a name, but we all know it rhymes with Thergar. That's the person I'm mostly directing the well deserved...not hatred...I don't hate anyone. Well deserved schadenfruede at.

[jonaku]

Well, I treated as a legit question intially (which I know is still up for debate :) ) regardless, with this last gem of a post by Thergar there's no doubt it's now volcano fodder

great. one homophobic troll post and the mod uses it as an excuse to condemn the ENTIRE thread to the volcano forum? why not just delete the offending post? Or ban/warn the offending poster? why penalize the ENTIRE thread? looks like the mod was looking for any exuse to hide away this legitimate thread....

[Thergar]

I was'nt sure thats where you were going with that weird post but I thought it might be.

great. one homophobic troll post and the mod uses it as an excuse to condemn the ENTIRE thread to the volcano forum? why not just delete the offending post? Or ban/warn the offending poster? why penalize the ENTIRE thread? looks like the mod was looking for any exuse to hide away this legitimate thread....
Because it is YOU who offends, not I.

In a responsibly managed forum (like Free Republic) you wouldn't be even allowed to post.

[Rourke]

I'm not, Rourke. I'm not going to point at a name, but we all know it rhymes with Thergar. That's the person I'm mostly directing the well deserved...not hatred...I don't hate anyone. Well deserved schadenfruede at.

ok..lol@rhymes with..

[Faite]

No no, certainly not the subject matter, just faith in the validity of the the internet community- Forgive me, for I have sinned

Just click on his lil name and look up his other posts.

He has started posts on Vanguard being against people in the service lol...made really gross comments and other stuff.

Just do it. I did it because I thought maybe Labb was right after I calmed down but no she wasn't.

[Rourke]

Because it is YOU who offends, not I.

In a responsibly managed forum (like Free Republic) you wouldn't be even allowed to post.

Ok..look man....nobody likes the OP and his trolling ways...but seriously...your a scary man. You border on Nazi-like. And i'm not kidding..take your bigotry elsewhere pal.

[Faite]

Because it is YOU who offends, not I.

In a responsibly managed forum (like Free Republic) you wouldn't be even allowed to post.

LOL ok so you are a for real jerk, sorry I thought maybe you were using it to make a point but you weren't. Your just weird.

[Faite]

Ok..look man....nobody likes the OP and his trolling ways...but seriously...your a scary man. You border on Nazi-like. And i'm not kidding..take your bigotry elsewhere pal.

amen.

[jonaku]

Because it is YOU who offends, not I.

In a responsibly managed forum (like Free Republic) you wouldn't be even allowed to post.

according to the mod, my post was not offensive or trollish.

the mod publicly stated ur post was trollish. then he volcanoes the ENTIRE thread?

so can i go into any post on General, make a trollish/racist/sexist/homophobic/anti-semitic comment when topically relevent and get the entire thead volcanoed? and to do so without consequence?

i'm still puzzled why u haven't yet been banned?

[perfect]

Just click on his lil name and look up his other posts.

He has started posts on Vanguard being against people in the service lol...made really gross comments and other stuff.

Just do it. I did it because I thought maybe Labb was right after I calmed down but no she wasn't.

Love you, Faite, but I'm not quite following you.

You are angry because he posted around the spirit of the law while sticking to the letter of the law and you are using his prior posts as evidence against him?

Yes, he's a Jerk. Yes, he's a Troll. We all know he's an Alt who has been created just to Flame. Would banning or moderating him above and beyond the freedoms that we enjoy here do us service? Or him?

[Rourke]

according to the mod, my post was not offensive or trollish.

the mod publicly stated ur post was trollish. then he volcanoes the ENTIRE thread?

so can i go into any post on General, make a trollish/racist/sexist/homophobic/anti-semitic comment when topically relevent and get the entire thead volcanoed? and to do so without consequence?

i'm still puzzled why u haven't yet been banned?

I LOATHE when i almost agree with you. But you need a banning too.

[Thergar]

according to the mod, my post was not offensive or trollish.
The mod is not God. According to God, your posts are offensive.

[Atoyota]

I LOATHE when i almost agree with you. But you need a banning too.

want my opinion? (of course not) but here goes....
They should throw you all out on your ears :p

If they did, i'd prolly leave because the reading would be so dull...

[Rourke]

The mod is not God. According to God, your posts are offensive.

as are yours. but here we are, aren't we? You 2 should hook up and get it on.

[Rourke]

want my opinion? (of course not) but here goes....
They should throw you all out on your ears :p

If they did, i'd prolly leave because the reading would be so dull...

Hey...you'd be right in the street with us bud. =)

[Thergar]

25% of homosexual men have had sex with children according to a leading expert, Dr. Paul Cameron.

http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRI_EduPamphlet3.html

It is pathetic when loonie liberals try to deny the obvious connection between homosexuality and paedophilia.

[jonyak]

The mod is not God. According to God, your posts are offensive.

and your's aren't?

man you keep spewing bullshit.

[Atoyota]

Hey...you'd be right in the street with us bud. =)

Think so?

I'm not so sure... ;)

[perfect]

Think so?

I'm not so sure... ;)

He'd be over sleip's house.

[Jalex]

The mod is not God. According to God, your posts are offensive.

I was going to stay out of this thread...but this has provoked me.

Whose god are you talking about?

Dont you realise that basic human morals and an understanding of right and wrong are independent of the existence of any supernatural sop to your delusional mindset?

God is a construct of man...get over it.

[Thergar]

and your's aren't?

man you keep spewing bullshit.

The most important difference between us is that I have an education.

I am at Law School, you can't even write.

[Rourke]

Think so?

I'm not so sure... ;)

i will never be banned on acct i am cute and sweet like a bunny.

[jonyak]

The most important difference between us is that I have an education.

I am at Law School, you can't even write.

thats funny I have a degree in anthropology minor in religion as well as a degree in electronics engineering.

I'm not educated at all.

all law school teaches you is how to circumvent the law. is that moral or ethical? how does being a lawyer fit into your shitty god fearing world view? you make no sense and you are a world class asshole to boot.

[perfect]

i will never be banned on acct i am cute and sweet like a bunny.

Dude, you made me snarf my coffee.

[Atoyota]

i will never be banned on acct i am cute and sweet like a bunny.

Bugs?

[Riggin]

This thread is SO headed to the Vol.... oh wait.

Grow up. Both of you. Or just whip out your peckers and see who can piss the farthest. Or better yet, get your dad's to fight. That'll settle it.:rolleyes:

Have a nice day.

-Riggin

[Rourke]

This thread is SO headed to the Vol.... oh wait.

Grow up. Both of you. Or just whip out your peckers and see who can piss the farthest. Or better yet, get your dad's to fight. That'll settle it.:rolleyes:

Have a nice day.

-Riggin

you said "pecker".....lawling....

[ShadeVice]

This thread is SO headed to the Vol.... oh wait.

Grow up. Both of you. Or just whip out your peckers and see who can piss the farthest. Or better yet, get your dad's to fight. That'll settle it.:rolleyes:

Have a nice day.

-Riggin

Lets pass out on the whipping out of peckers in a thread titled GLBT.

[Thergar]

I was going to stay out of this thread...but this has provoked me.

Whose god are you talking about?

Dont you realise that basic human morals and an understanding of right and wrong are independent of the existence of any supernatural sop to your delusional mindset?

God is a construct of man...get over it.

The Christian God who is the moral authority of a significant number of Vanguard players. These players wish that their religious feelings are not offended.

We have two opposite camps: a large number of Christians/responsible parents and a small number of perverts.

Pragmatically, it does not make commercial sense to cater to perverts.

[perfect]

Lets pass out on the whipping out of peckers in a thread titled GLBT.

Hey, some of us might want to see that, Shade.

[Thergar]

thats funny I have a degree in anthropology minor in religion as well as a degree in electronics engineering.

I'm not educated at all.

all law school teaches you is how to circumvent the law. is that moral or ethical? how does being a lawyer fit into your shitty god fearing world view? you make no sense and you are a world class asshole to boot.
It is easy to make wild claims on the Internet but as you cannot even write the truth is painfully apparent.

[Jalex]

The Christian God who is the moral authority of a significant number of Vanguard players. These players wish that their religious feelings are not offended.

We have two opposite camps: a large number of Christians/responsible parents and a small number of perverts.

Pragmatically, it does not make commercial sense to cater to perverts.

No doubt you would like to be sole arbiter of the inquisition and send people to the rack...followed by burning alive at the stake to purify their souls...you have the same mindset as al-Qa'ida.

[Thergar]

No doubt you would like to be sole arbiter of the inquisition and send people to the rack...followed by burning alive at the stake to purify their souls...you have the same mindset as al-Qa'ida.
On the contrary, I hate the sin and love the sinner.

[Faite]

25% of homosexual men have had sex with children according to a leading expert, Dr. Paul Cameron.

http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRI_EduPamphlet3.html

It is pathetic when loonie liberals try to deny the obvious connection between homosexuality and paedophilia.

And this is the place to discuss it why? Same as OP. Just a troll looking for a rise.

This is totally bullshit, the gay guys I know are nice and respectful, unlike your dumb ass.

[Thergar]

And this is the place to discuss it why? Same as OP. Just a troll looking for a rise.

This is totally bullshit, the gay guys I know are nice and respectful, unlike your dumb ass.
You don't seem acquainted with the concept of statistics. For me, it is enough that 25% of homosexuals are child molesters.

[Rourke]

The Christian God who is the moral authority of a significant number of Vanguard players. These players wish that their religious feelings are not offended.

We have two opposite camps: a large number of Christians/responsible parents and a small number of perverts.

Pragmatically, it does not make commercial sense to cater to perverts.

Dammit man, your making me HOT.....mmm.....Thergar..wanna come over and worship goats with me? Once you go Pagan, you never go back.

[Jalex]

On the contrary, I hate the sin and love the sinner.

lol..speechless...i have been rendered speechless. :rolleyes:

[Riggin]

You don't seem acquainted with the concept of statistics. For me, it is enough that 25% of homosexuals are child molesters.

And 43.4% of statistics are made up on the spot. What's your point? You can find a study that proves just about anything if you look hard enough.:rolleyes:

-Riggin

[perfect]

Dammit man, your making me HOT.....mmm.....Thergar..wanna come over and worship goats with me? Once you go Pagan, you never go back.

<raises hand>

I will.

[perfect]

And 43.4% of statistics are made up on the spot. What's your point? You can find a study that proves just about anything if you look hard enough.:rolleyes:

-Riggin

Check out this study:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Pchart.jpg

It conclusively proves that the decline of pirates is the primary reason for global warming.

[ZNICK]

If there's going to be transgendered or transexual guilds, I want transgendered or transexual mobs too. It's only fair.

I want a mob that is fully anatomical both up top and down below, and who is found either working in a mall beauty shop or entertaining in a night club somewhere near Khal.

We can parley with it, trying to convince it whether or not to go forward with the surgery.

Z

[Jalex]

Thergar...just out of interest...can you tell us what percentage of heterosexuals are paedophiles?

[Riggin]

Check out this study:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Pchart.jpg

It conclusively proves that the decline of pirates is the primary reason for global warming.

I saw that! It was a shock to me! And to think that they're trying to shut down the pirates that operate of the east coast of Africa! Don't they understand??

Did you know that Sept. 19th is "Talk Like a Pirate Day?"

-Riggin

[Thergar]

And 43.4% of statistics are made up on the spot. What's your point? You can find a study that proves just about anything if you look hard enough.:rolleyes:

-Riggin
So you are also of the opinion that smoking certainly does not cause cancer because the relationship between tobacco and cancer is only based on statistical studies?

You understand nothing of science. Statistical studies are a generally accepted source of information. Peer-reviewed scientific articles are reliable sources.

[Jalex]

If there's going to be transgendered or transexual guilds, I want transgendered or transexual mobs too. It's only fair.

I want a mob that is fully anatomical both up top and down below, and who is found either working in a mall beauty shop or entertaining in a night club somewhere near Khal.

We can parley with it, trying to convince it whether or not to go forward with the surgery.

Z

lol:D

[Riggin]

So you are also of the opinion that smoking certainly does not cause cancer because the relationship between tobacco and cancer is only based on statistical studies?

You understand nothing of science. Statistical studies are a generally accepted source of information. Peer-reviewed scientific articles are reliable sources.

No. I'm not saying that every statistical study is contrived. I'm saying that in most highly-charged, socially sensitive, or politically motivated study, there are statistics that can prove both sides. Homosexuality being one of the most prevalent of all three categories.

-Riggin

[Thergar]

Thergar...just out of interest...can you tell us what percentage of heterosexuals are paedophiles?
According to Kinsey 0,05%. (10 of 2395)

http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRI_SPECRPT_pedo-sum.html

[jonyak]

It is easy to make wild claims on the Internet but as you cannot even write the truth is painfully apparent.

how can I not even write?

seems to me you have a problem thinking. ****wad

[Thergar]

Thergar...just out of interest...can you tell us what percentage of heterosexuals are paedophiles?

No. I'm not saying that every statistical study is contrived. I'm saying that in most highly-charged, socially sensitive, or politically motivated study, there are statistics that can prove both sides. Homosexuality being one of the most prevalent of all three categories.

-Riggin

If you think there is something wrong in the methodology of the statistical studies I quoted you should counter them with other studies instead of questioning the whole concept of statistics.

[jonyak]

If you think there is something wrong in the methodology of the statistical studies I quoted you should counter them with other studies instead of questioning the whole concept of statistics.

don't you realise that it is not gay men destroying the family. its you ****ing retarded straight people that messed it up.

[Riggin]

If you think there is something wrong in the methodology of the statistical studies I quoted you should counter them with other studies instead of questioning the whole concept of statistics.

Working on it, but here's a start.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Research_Institute

Paul Cameron, who earned his doctorate in psychology at the University of Colorado-Boulder in 1966. Dr. Cameron founded the Institute for the Scientific Investigation of Sexuality in 1982, and this institute later became FRI. [2] Considerable controversy surrounds Dr. Cameron and his research.[3] The American Psychological Association (APA) dropped Cameron from its membership on 2-Dec-1983 for lack of cooperation in an inquiry into his research methods. However, Dr. Cameron maintains he had already resigned from the APA before they dropped him from membership.

Family Research Institute is an ultra-conservative organization. Of course they will find and support the statistical studies that support their position.

I'm not sure I'll be able to counter your exact example, but I'll find a topic that will show my case. I'm certain of that.

-Riggin

[jonaku]

If you think there is something wrong in the methodology of the statistical studies I quoted you should counter them with other studies instead of questioning the whole concept of statistics.

can u cite the scientific or statistical proof for the existence of your specific christian cult?

my scientific inquiries seem to prove that the True God is Hindi....

[Thergar]

Working on it, but here's a start.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Research_Institute

]Paul Cameron, who earned his doctorate in psychology at the University of Colorado-Boulder in 1966. Dr. Cameron founded the Institute for the Scientific Investigation of Sexuality in 1982, and this institute later became FRI. [2] Considerable controversy surrounds Dr. Cameron and his research.[3] The American Psychological Association (APA) dropped Cameron from its membership on 2-Dec-1983 for lack of cooperation in an inquiry into his research methods. However, Dr. Cameron maintains he had already resigned from the APA before they dropped him from membership.

Family Research Institute is an ultra-conservative organization. Of course they will find and support the statistical studies that support their position.

I'm not sure I'll be able to counter your exact example, but I'll find a topic that will show my case. I'm certain of that.

-Riggin
Wikipedia is an encyclopedia anyone can edit. It is not a source. The funder and the author are irrelevant in judging the merits of a study.

My figures are based on Alfred Kinsey's research. Kinsey is a very well-known researcher.


The Kinsey investigators indexed sex with the underage two ways, neither of which was completely satisfactorily for our purposes. First, 171 (26.5%) of 646 male homosexuals and 4 (1.8%) of 222 female homosexuals reported having had homosexual sex with someone aged 15 or less and 91 (14.1%) of the 646 male homosexuals and none of the 222 female homosexuals reported having had homosexual sex with someone aged 13 or less since they were aged 18 or older (Gebhard & Johnson, 1979, p. 512).
http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRI_SPECRPT_pedo-sum.html

[Riggin]

Here's an article that explains exactly what I'm getting at.

http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~taflinge/evistats.html

So anyway. I know you believe in the studies you've linked to. Fine. I don't. We simply have to agree to disagree on those statistics. I'll not be rebutting any more of your statistics in the interest of civility.

-Riggin

[jonyak]

How many of your priests turned into gay pedophiles?? or did you forget about that one?

also you say I can make claims but that is exactly what you are doing. you are a hypocrite and the fact that you exist makes me want to be sick.

[Riggin]

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia anyone can edit. It is not a source. The funder and the author are irrelevant in judging the merits of a study.

My figures are based on Alfred Kinsey's research. Kinsey is a very well-known researcher.


http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRI_SPECRPT_pedo-sum.html

My wikipedia reference was simply to point out that Dr. Cameron has some credibility issues to begin with.

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/Cameron_apaletter.html

So there's corroboration for the wiki entry.

I'm out.

-Riggin

[Thergar]

Here's an article that explains exactly what I'm getting at.

http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~taflinge/evistats.html

So anyway. I know you believe in the studies you've linked to. Fine. I don't. We simply have to agree to disagree on those statistics. I'll not be rebutting any more of your statistics in the interest of civility.

-Riggin
You are effectively hiding your eyes from reality because it is not compatible with your philosophical fundamentals.

Sorry, matters of fact are different from matters of opinion. Facts cannot be replaced with an egalitarian quasi-religion.

You remind me of people who think that an average White person and an average Black person are equivalent in scholastic ability no matter what science says.

[Thergar]

My wikipedia reference was simply to point out that Dr. Cameron has some credibility issues to begin with.

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/Cameron_apaletter.html

So there's corroboration for the wiki entry.

I'm out.

-Riggin
This has nothing to do with the validity of science quoted none of which was authored by Dr. Cameron.

[ShadeVice]

You are effectively hiding your eyes from reality because it is not compatible with your philosophical fundamentals.

Sorry, matters of fact are different from matters of opinion. Facts cannot be replaced with an egalitarian quasi-religion.

You remind me of people who think that an average White person and an average Black person are equivalent in scholastic ability no matter what science says.

lol way to stir things up even more.

[jonyak]

You are effectively hiding your eyes from reality because it is not compatible with your philosophical fundamentals.

Sorry, matters of fact are different from matters of opinion. Facts cannot be replaced with an egalitarian quasi-religion.

You remind me of people who think that an average White person and an average Black person are equivalent in scholastic ability no matter what science says.

ok this douchebag is now officialy a troll. please ignore.

[Thergar]

ok this douchebag is now officialy a troll. please ignore.
Of course, you are not able to elaborate your opinion.

[Rourke]

You are effectively hiding your eyes from reality because it is not compatible with your philosophical fundamentals.

Sorry, matters of fact are different from matters of opinion. Facts cannot be replaced with an egalitarian quasi-religion.

You remind me of people who think that an average White person and an average Black person are equivalent in scholastic ability no matter what science says.

Ok..pulling the ripcord and bailing out of this one now......

[jonaku]

You are effectively hiding your eyes from reality because it is not compatible with your philosophical fundamentals.

Sorry, matters of fact are different from matters of opinion. Facts cannot be replaced with an egalitarian quasi-religion.

You remind me of people who think that an average White person and an average Black person are equivalent in scholastic ability no matter what science says.

rofl :)

[Thergar]

rofl :)
ROFLMWAO

You cannot do that, eh?

[jonaku]

ROFLMWAO

You cannot do that, eh?

ROFLWHCMAO :)

[ZNICK]

Guys, the OP knew he'd get this kind of trashing of each other when he posted this. Stop giving him exactly the response he was looking for, and drop it.

Z