Vanguard Should Cap Hours Played Per Day

[jonaku]

Vanguard should do the responsible thing and cap the # of hours an account can play per day.

I propose a cap of 3 hours per day Monday to Friday and 5 hours on weekends. Alternately, you could do a cap of 100 hours per month. Once you hit your cap, the game boots you out.

Here are the reasons to do this:
(1) It prevents unhealthy sedentary obsessive behaviors

(2) It makes it more expensive for gold farmers to farm

(3) It makes powerleveling services unpalatable

(4) It prevents people getting to level 50 in a month

(5) China does it. Vanguard should do it now before the US government regulates them the way China does.

(6) It prevents obsessive behavior resulting in divorces, job losses and grades failing.

If you're an invalid, bedridden or housebound, you can submit a notarized written waiver to Sigil directly with a doctor's note. Then you can play as much as you want.

IF UR NOT HANDICAPPED, THERE IS NO RESPONSBILE REASON TO PLAY VANGUARD MORE THAN 100 HOURS A MONTH. I DARE U TO GIVE ME A GOOD REASON. U CANNOT.

[Helenius]

Go back to china, frigging communist! :cool:

EDIT: I really hope this was sarcasm, thus my respond

[Elanie]

IF UR NOT HANDICAPPED, THERE IS NO RESPONSBILE REASON TO PLAY VANGUARD MORE THAN 100 HOURS A MONTH. I DARE U TO GIVE ME A GOOD REASON. U CANNOT.

The troll is at it again.

I shouldn't dignify this with a response, but I will. I play more than 100 hours a month because I can. Because I enjoy it, because its my quality time with my boyfriend, because I have friends in and out of game that play with me... Who are you to judge me because I have alot of free time? I work 8 hours a day, come home, play for 8 hours, and then sleep for 7 (the extra hour is travel time to and from work hehe). Weekends I'm on and off during the day and then put in my normal 8 hours at night. Its how I choose to spend my quality time. its no different than my mother who watches TV all day, or my friend that knits for hours on end.

[brautigan1]

Ok, I'm confused. I put this troll on ignore, but he's still showing up for me..

Shoo, trollboy, shoo

[ShadeVice]

It took him about 4 hours to come up with more material.

[Phaethor]

Aren't there like 168 hours in a Week.. So even if you played 100 hours a Month, it is less than a week of playing in the Month.

/sarcasm on

Man. That is hard core. Someone needs to stop those people. They'll kill themselves.

/sarcasm off

Best,

Phae

[Aegorian]

It took him about 4 hours to come up with more material.

didnt we all sign an agreement not to respond to him anymore? :)

[Nassir]

So back to the orginal subject Who's excited for March Madness any thought who will be in the final 4..

[Aegorian]

Aren't there like 168 hours in a Week.. So even if you played 100 hours a Month, it is less than a week of playing in the Month.

/sarcasm on

Man. That is hard core. Someone needs to stop those people. They'll kill themselves.

/sarcasm off

Best,

Phae

common now... there's no room for logic in the mind of a troll. You honestly think he thought out this crap before he posted it?

[Phaethor]

So back to the orginal subject Who's excited for March Madness any thought who will be in the final 4..

College or NBA?

[Aegorian]

So back to the orginal subject Who's excited for March Madness any thought who will be in the final 4..

very good question... i'm still deciding who my cinderella team will be this year. I want to see another 13 seed in the Final 4.

[Phaethor]

common now... there's no room for logic in the mind of a troll. You honestly think he thought out this crap before he posted it?

Well... No. But one can hope. :eek:

Best,

Phae

[ShadeVice]

didnt we all sign an agreement not to respond to him anymore? :)

ya only a handful of us did though =/

so not much point.

But we could all chat about something totally different from his topic and completely derail his thread.

[jtoast]

IF UR NOT HANDICAPPED, THERE IS NO RESPONSBILE REASON TO PLAY VANGUARD MORE THAN 100 HOURS A MONTH. I DARE U TO GIVE ME A GOOD REASON. U CANNOT.

Since the above post took this as sarcasm, I will take this seriously.

You want a responsible reason? How about "Because I damn well might just feel like it...Thats why." Yep, I said it. Because I want to. Thats all the reason you need.

Next you are going to go on about how maybe I drive my big ol' gas hungry SUV too much or how I should be mowing my lawn with a goat instead of a lawnmower to be more environmentally friendly.

You know what...Kiss my ass.

[jonaku]

The troll is at it again.

I shouldn't dignify this with a response, but I will. I play more than 100 hours a month because I can. Because I enjoy it, because its my quality time with my boyfriend, because I have friends in and out of game that play with me... Who are you to judge me because I have alot of free time? I work 8 hours a day, come home, play for 8 hours, and then sleep for 7 (the extra hour is travel time to and from work hehe). Weekends I'm on and off during the day and then put in my normal 8 hours at night. Its how I choose to spend my quality time. its no different than my mother who watches TV all day, or my friend that knits for hours on end.


u r irresponsible. sorry, but that's the truth.

[Aegorian]

ya only a handful of us did though =/

so not much point.

But we could all chat about something totally different from his topic and completely derail his thread.

you mean like the final 4? :)

and we could possibly start chatting about subway BLT sanguiches or whatever his last post was about...

[Vallas]

This is not a new concept and I have seen this come up time and time again in just about every MMO I have played.

Its essentially the idea behind a "relax server" which at least in the games that I have played never came to fruition.

The concept of forcing this upon players is rather silly...you would kill your user base if you did this...it wouldnt affect me in the slightest as the 3wkd 5wkn is about the most time I ever have to play but the idea of regulating your players sounds like it belongs in a game played in another country.

I work full time, have many responsibilities out of work, and other hobbies so I just dont have the time. But if I take a week vacation, I would want at least the option to spend more than 3 hours of my free time doing what I want and playing my game of choice.

I use to play my last MMO about 5 hours a night during the week when life was "easier" and I didnt get overweight, I didnt lose my job (was promoted during the time), met the woman I am now engaged to, blah blah...there is no harm in it for responsible players that simply have the free time to use as they wish.

[Orc]

So back to the orginal subject Who's excited for March Madness any thought who will be in the final 4..

Off the top of my head, without the benefit of the bracket:

Kansas
Wash St.
Louisville
UNLV

[jonaku]

You want a responsible reason? How about "Because I damn well might just feel like it...Thats why." Yep, I said it. Because I want to. Thats all the reason you need.

really? i could that same argument for using cocaine or molesting goats or avoiding taxes. just cause you feel like doing something, doesn't mean it's not irresponsible or gross or illegal or heinous.

[Phaethor]

Next you are going to go on about how maybe I drive my big ol' gas hungry SUV too much or how I should be mowing my lawn with a goat instead of a lawnmower to be more environmentally friendly.

Wait a Second... We Don't Have to use Goats?....

[Isobel]

really? i could that same argument for using cocaine or molesting goats or avoiding taxes. just cause you feel like doing something, doesn't mean it's not irresponsible or gross or illegal or heinous.

I think we can all agree that you are both heinous and irresponsible but that doesn't have anything to do with how much time you have been playing.

[jonaku]

but the idea of regulating your players sounds like it belongs in a game played in another country.


they already do it in china. i think the usa should be next. hopefully hillary clinton & co. will get something like this regulated if the game companies refuse to do the responsible thing and regulate themselves.

[Zalere]

Ok, I'm confused. I put this troll on ignore, but he's still showing up for me..

Shoo, trollboy, shoo

As did I. You'll still notice the new threads started by the idiot, but you'll not see any of his posts. It's better than nothing.

[Phaethor]

they already do it in china. i think the usa should be next. hopefully hillary clinton & co. will get something like this regulated if the game companies refuse to do the responsible thing and regulate themselves.

Obama... FTW

LOL

[Aegorian]

u r irresponsible. sorry, but that's the truth.

sorry, but now it's on you two bit suck ass bitch.

I work 50 hours a week, work out 5 times a week, play basketball 1 night a week, keep up with all my favorite TV shows, have a very active social life and still manage a good portion of time for Vanguard (dunno if it's 100 hours or not... who gives half a shit, cept ME AND ONLY ME). I know you're just here to spew this bullshit and get a rise out of people, and now you succeeded with me. I dont care what you say about the game, but telling people how to live their lives is downright ****ing rude. You dont have the right to judge people and/or dictate how we spend our time. To think otherwise just proves what an arrogant prick you are.

Mods, feel free to warn/ban me or whatever... i'm sick of this toolbag.

[Leatherneck]

Next you are going to go on about how maybe I drive my big ol' gas hungry SUV too much or how I should be mowing my lawn with a goat instead of a lawnmower to be more environmentally friendly.

You know what...Kiss my ass.


Dennis Leary, is that you?

You know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna get myself a 1967 Cadillac El Dorado convertible, hot pink with whaleskin hub caps and all leather cow interior and big brown baby seal eyes for headlights, yeah! And I'm gonna drive around in that baby at 115mph getting one mile per gallon, sucking down quarter pounder cheese burgers from McDonald's in the old-fashioned non-biodegradable styrofoam containers and when I'm done sucking down those grease ball burgers, I'm gonna wipe my mouth with the American flag and then I'm gonna toss the styrofoam container right out the side and there ain't a God damned thing anybody can do about it. YOu know why? Because we got the bombs, that's why.

[jtoast]

really? i could that same argument for using cocaine or molesting goats or avoiding taxes. just cause you feel like doing something, doesn't mean it's not irresponsible or gross or illegal or heinous.

Yep, you can. I really don't give a damn whether you do lines off a goats back while you **** it and then hide the income from your video from the IRS. Doesn't affect my life in the slightest....until you come tell me how I should be having sex with my own particular farm animals that is....At that point my friend...we have a problem.

[jonaku]

sorry, but now it's on you two bit suck ass bitch.

I work 50 hours a week, work out 5 times a week, play basketball 1 night a week, keep up with all my favorite TV shows, have a very active social life and still manage a good portion of time for Vanguard (dunno if it's 100 hours or not... who gives half a shit, cept ME AND ONLY ME). I know you're just here to spew this bullshit and get a rise out of people, and now you succeeded with me. I dont care what you say about the game, but telling people how to live their lives is downright ****ing rude. You dont have the right to judge people and/or dictate how we spend our time. To think otherwise just proves what an arrogant prick you are.

Mods, feel free to warn/ban me or whatever... i'm sick of this toolbag.


let me guess, ur a doctor who volunteers at homeless shelters and u have a wife and 4 kids and have the body of bodybuilder and writing a novel in ur spare time and u still have time to play vanguard 6 hours a day. stfu u liar.

[Vallas]

they already do it in china. i think the usa should be next. hopefully hillary clinton & co. will get something like this regulated if the game companies refuse to do the responsible thing and regulate themselves.

This responsibility doesnt fall into the realm of the game companies....it is placed on the users. Do they always act responsible? No, of course not.

But the majority of gamers do not develop problems like you are talking about. Some will...just like some people will drink too much and get in their cars and do something stupid (bad comparison..sorry...its the first that came to mind and I am in a hurry).

Doing something like this would kill the industry..it may prevent a handful of people from having personal issues...but its also going to prevent thousands from enjoying their free time as they wish.

Should we also set the speed limiters in cars to 70MPH because its not responsible for the auto maker?

This is going to get way too philosophical for this forum I am guessing, I can see the point that is being made, but its scope is way beyond just a MMO, its pointing at taking personal responsibilities away from consumers and placing them on producers.

[Aegorian]

let me guess, ur a doctor who volunteers at homeless shelters and u have a wife and 4 kids and have the body of bodybuilder and writing a novel in ur spare time and u still have time to play vanguard 6 hours a day. stfu u liar.

nope... IT manager who plays sports and enjoys MMOs and having a life. soooo... eat my wang and GTFO.

[jonaku]

This responsibility doesnt fall into the realm of the game companies....it is placed on the users. Do they always act responsible? No, of course not.

But the majority of gamers do not develop problems like you are talking about. Some will...just like some people will drink too much and get in their cars and do something stupid (bad comparison..sorry...its the first that came to mind and I am in a hurry).



anything addictive is usually regulated: alcohol, smoking, drugs, gambling, stock market investing, etc.

online gaming is very new, that's why it's not regulated. but like any other potentially addictive activity, it should be.

and it will be.

[ShadeVice]

let me guess, ur a doctor who volunteers at homeless shelters and u have a wife and 4 kids and have the body of bodybuilder and writing a novel in ur spare time and u still have time to play vanguard 6 hours a day. stfu u liar.

let me guess, youve never touched a woman.

[jonaku]

nope... IT manager who plays sports and enjoys MMOs and having a life. soooo... eat my wang and GTFO.

o rly? i'll gtfo after u diaf u QQing emo, so stfu kthxbai.

[ShadeVice]

o rly? i'll gtfo after u diaf u QQing emo, so stfu kthxbai.

grats on knowing internet ebonics.

[Vallas]

anything addictive is usually regulated: alcohol, smoking, drugs, gambling, stock market investing, etc.

online gaming is very new, that's why it's not regulated. but like any other potentially addictive activity, it should be.

and it will be.

I am not following you now...I understand the governmental regulations on those things but they are regulated in a much different manner than you are proposing for a MMO.

I can go out and buy smokes or booze until I die...I can go from store to store and buy as much as one will sell me then move to the next. You can buy enough alchohol in one store at the same time(at least in my state) to kill several people.

How do the regulations between these things tie into what you are saying about games? If you could only buy one pack of smokes a week...sure I would see your point...but I am missing it right now.

[jtoast]

anything addictive is usually regulated: alcohol, smoking, drugs, gambling, stock market investing, etc.

online gaming is very new, that's why it's not regulated. but like any other potentially addictive activity, it should be.

and it will be.

Are you actually suggesting that the stock market is regulated because its addictive? ummmm...no.

[Leatherneck]

anything addictive is usually regulated: alcohol, smoking, drugs, gambling, stock market investing, etc.

online gaming is very new, that's why it's not regulated. but like any other potentially addictive activity, it should be.

and it will be.


That government is best which governs least. - Thomas Paine

Given that running a MMO is very much like running a government, I'll stand with Mr. Paine's view.

[ShadeVice]

o rly? i'll gtfo after u diaf u QQing emo, so stfu kthxbai.

grats on being a complete and utter idiot.

[Elanie]

Seriously, Mods, how many troll bait posts does a person have to make to get a little vacation around here? I've been suspended for less.

[Ishtavin]

Didnt we collectivly agree to not reply to jonaku? Although i do find it fun to read how serious people take him....me i vote laby ban his arse to the volcano for all time, that way we can keep the upper society away from his corruption. Unless they wanna visit teh redlight district that is.....

Sorry just read this..

"o rly? i'll gtfo after u diaf u QQing emo, so stfu kthxbai" .....guess he had an itch on his head and needed to use his keyboard to relieve himslef.....

[Faite]

I think we can all agree that you are both heinous and irresponsible but that doesn't have anything to do with how much time you have been playing.

Isobel is now my official hero (to steal her phrase)

[Dasein]

While it is true that China does have some more stringent anti-gaming addiction laws, limits on gameplay time are not very effective, as they generally do not apply to anyone over 18 and can be circumvented by simply having multiple accounts. I can understand why people are opposed to such measures, but at the same time, there are less intrusive ways to handle play time limitations.

First, switch to an hourly billing plan, or offer plans with certain numbers of hours per month, and then charge overage fees, the way cellphone companies do. While you can play as much as you like, it will cost you more to play beyond a certain amount. This doesn't explicitly limit playtime, but does provide incentives to self-regulate.

Second, parents will want ways to limit their children's playtime. As this generation of gamers gets older, there will be more second generation gamers - the kids of the people who grew up on UO and EQ, and now play alongside their kids. There is increasing demand for family accounts, and with that come the logical parental controls like enforced playtime limits, and perhaps things like restrictions to certain servers or playtime between certain hours of the day. These sorts of controls will be especially important as we see more games marketed to younger kids specifically.

Third, design games around shorter play sessions, and implement systems of diminishing returns for extended playtime. WoW already does this, as does EQ2 with vitality. What this means is designing gameplay such that individuals can tailor it to their own schedules. VG is particularly bad at this sort of design, while EQ2 and to a lesser extent WoW excel at it. At a larger level, one needs to look at the ethics of game design with regards to addictive behavior,. Behaviorist psychology gives us very good insight into how to build a stimulus-response system that encourages a certain behavior. For some things, this is very useful, for others, it can be socially damaging. Game designers need to recognize what they are capable of and design with these capabilities in mind.

[Jinpo]

Vanguard should do the responsible thing and cap the # of hours an account can play per day.

I propose a cap of 3 hours per day Monday to Friday and 5 hours on weekends. Alternately, you could do a cap of 100 hours per month. Once you hit your cap, the game boots you out.

Here are the reasons to do this:
(1) It prevents unhealthy sedentary obsessive behaviors

(2) It makes it more expensive for gold farmers to farm

(3) It makes powerleveling services unpalatable

(4) It prevents people getting to level 50 in a month

(5) China does it. Vanguard should do it now before the US government regulates them the way China does.

(6) It prevents obsessive behavior resulting in divorces, job losses and grades failing.

If you're an invalid, bedridden or housebound, you can submit a notarized written waiver to Sigil directly with a doctor's note. Then you can play as much as you want.

IF UR NOT HANDICAPPED, THERE IS NO RESPONSBILE REASON TO PLAY VANGUARD MORE THAN 100 HOURS A MONTH. I DARE U TO GIVE ME A GOOD REASON. U CANNOT.

How's about we cap your mouth?

[Aegorian]

o rly? i'll gtfo after u diaf u QQing emo, so stfu kthxbai.

good call sticking to your guns and debating your OP. This the best you can do? spitting a bunch on 1337 gibberish at me? Give it to me you asshat. You finally got the attention you wanted, so how bout you sack up and actually try to prove a point and back up the topic at hand? Prove us wrong that you arent a waste of skin troll and you have a pair....

[jonaku]

While it is true that China does have some more stringent anti-gaming addiction laws, limits on gameplay time are not very effective, as they generally do not apply to anyone over 18 and can be circumvented by simply having multiple accounts. I can understand why people are opposed to such measures, but at the same time, there are less intrusive ways to handle play time limitations.

First, switch to an hourly billing plan, or offer plans with certain numbers of hours per month, and then charge overage fees, the way cellphone companies do. While you can play as much as you like, it will cost you more to play beyond a certain amount. This doesn't explicitly limit playtime, but does provide incentives to self-regulate.

Second, parents will want ways to limit their children's playtime. As this generation of gamers gets older, there will be more second generation gamers - the kids of the people who grew up on UO and EQ, and now play alongside their kids. There is increasing demand for family accounts, and with that come the logical parental controls like enforced playtime limits, and perhaps things like restrictions to certain servers or playtime between certain hours of the day. These sorts of controls will be especially important as we see more games marketed to younger kids specifically.

Third, design games around shorter play sessions, and implement systems of diminishing returns for extended playtime. WoW already does this, as does EQ2 with vitality. What this means is designing gameplay such that individuals can tailor it to their own schedules. VG is particularly bad at this sort of design, while EQ2 and to a lesser extent WoW excel at it. At a larger level, one needs to look at the ethics of game design with regards to addictive behavior,. Behaviorist psychology gives us very good insight into how to build a stimulus-response system that encourages a certain behavior. For some things, this is very useful, for others, it can be socially damaging. Game designers need to recognize what they are capable of and design with these capabilities in mind.


briiliant post. loved it. and totally agree.

on ur 1st point, i also agree with that plan as an alternate means of implementation. i think it would also solve network congestion due to the problem of the commons.

[DocSavag]

really? i could that same argument for using cocaine or molesting goats or avoiding taxes. just cause you feel like doing something, doesn't mean it's not irresponsible or gross or illegal or heinous.

I don't think Sigil is responsible for preventing me from avoiding my taxes, or using cocaine and I'll thank them to mind their own damn business about my interaction with goats unless they happen to own the goat!

[jonaku]

good call sticking to your guns and debating your OP. This the best you can do? spitting a bunch on 1337 gibberish at me? Give it to me you asshat. You finally got the attention you wanted, so how bout you sack up and actually try to prove a point and back up the topic at hand? Prove us wrong that you arent a waste of skin troll and you have a pair....

omg if u don't stop spewing total trash on the interwebs, i'm gonna IGNORE u. do NOT make me do it !!! amirite? or amirite?

[Axel]

Vanguard should do the responsible thing and cap the # of hours an account can play per day.

I propose a cap of 3 hours per day Monday to Friday and 5 hours on weekends. Alternately, you could do a cap of 100 hours per month. Once you hit your cap, the game boots you out.

Here are the reasons to do this:
(1) It prevents unhealthy sedentary obsessive behaviors

(2) It makes it more expensive for gold farmers to farm

(3) It makes powerleveling services unpalatable

(4) It prevents people getting to level 50 in a month

(5) China does it. Vanguard should do it now before the US government regulates them the way China does.

(6) It prevents obsessive behavior resulting in divorces, job losses and grades failing.

If you're an invalid, bedridden or housebound, you can submit a notarized written waiver to Sigil directly with a doctor's note. Then you can play as much as you want.

IF UR NOT HANDICAPPED, THERE IS NO RESPONSBILE REASON TO PLAY VANGUARD MORE THAN 100 HOURS A MONTH. I DARE U TO GIVE ME A GOOD REASON. U CANNOT.


There is so much stupid in this post... I feel dumber actually reading it.

[Kriptical]

Vanguard should do the responsible thing and cap the # of hours an account can play per day.

I propose a cap of 3 hours per day Monday to Friday and 5 hours on weekends. Alternately, you could do a cap of 100 hours per month. Once you hit your cap, the game boots you out.

Here are the reasons to do this:
(1) It prevents unhealthy sedentary obsessive behaviors

(2) It makes it more expensive for gold farmers to farm

(3) It makes powerleveling services unpalatable

(4) It prevents people getting to level 50 in a month

(5) China does it. Vanguard should do it now before the US government regulates them the way China does.

(6) It prevents obsessive behavior resulting in divorces, job losses and grades failing.

If you're an invalid, bedridden or housebound, you can submit a notarized written waiver to Sigil directly with a doctor's note. Then you can play as much as you want.

IF UR NOT HANDICAPPED, THERE IS NO RESPONSBILE REASON TO PLAY VANGUARD MORE THAN 100 HOURS A MONTH. I DARE U TO GIVE ME A GOOD REASON. U CANNOT.

My only question is do you lack self control, or are you jealous?

[ShadeVice]

omg if u don't stop spewing total trash on the interwebs, i'm gonna IGNORE u. do NOT make me do it !!! amirite? or amirite?

joanku did you already figure out your next name?

[jonaku]

if u disagree with me, 99% chance ur either:
-- chinese gold farmer or powerleveler
-- clinically addicted to the online gaming and need to be institutionalized

sorry. but the truth hurts.

[Isobel]

if u disagree with me, 99% chance ur either:
-- chinese gold farmer or powerleveler
-- clinically addicted to the online gaming and need to be institutionalized

sorry. but the truth hurts.

Or able to apply the logic portion of our brains before we put fingers to keyboard. Try it sometime.

[Aegorian]

omg if u don't stop spewing total trash on the interwebs, i'm gonna IGNORE u. do NOT make me do it !!! amirite? or amirite?

still proving my point that you arent here to debate your posts... just troll... you have someone who's willing to debate to the teeth with you now, and all you do is make these pathetic little jabs? Once again... prove us wrong.

[kcxiv]

What about people that are disabled? i was in a wheel chair for 5 months, it freaking sucked. I can now walk a little bit, but when i couldnt, i had TONS of free time. YOu cant do much but sit or lay there. I was playing Everquest at the time. It took up a ton of my "free time" as i had mostly 24 hours a day for free time.


My point is you just cant put a ban on stuff like that. USA is suppsedly free. This will not fly.

[ShadeVice]

if u disagree with me, 99% chance ur either:
-- chinese gold farmer or powerleveler
-- clinically addicted to the online gaming and need to be institutionalized

sorry. but the truth hurts.

jonaku just because your sweat shop owner beats you between gold farming sessions you dont have to come here and take it out on all these people.

[trout]

IF UR NOT HANDICAPPED, THERE IS NO RESPONSBILE REASON TO PLAY VANGUARD MORE THAN 100 HOURS A MONTH. I DARE U TO GIVE ME A GOOD REASON. U CANNOT.

If your not procreating there is no reason to have sex. :rolleyes:

[Leatherneck]

if u disagree with me, 99% chance ur either:
-- chinese gold farmer or powerleveler
-- clinically addicted to the online gaming and need to be institutionalized

sorry. but the truth hurts.


If anyone agrees with you, 99% chance they are either:

-- a heroin-addicted ass-monkey
-- clinically braindead

Sorry, but the truth hurts.

[Varrah]

If your not procreating there is no reason to have sex. :rolleyes:

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Vallas]

if u disagree with me, 99% chance ur either:
-- chinese gold farmer or powerleveler
-- clinically addicted to the online gaming and need to be institutionalized

sorry. but the truth hurts.

I guess your debating abilities are spent. I was waiting to see how you compare the regulations but if this is the type of post you follow up with I guess there is nothing in this thread worth reading anymore.

[Elanie]

If your not procreating there is no reason to have sex. :rolleyes:

......... I feel sorry for your significant other... ;)

[jtoast]

if u disagree with me, 99% chance ur either:
-- chinese gold farmer or powerleveler
-- clinically addicted to the online gaming and need to be institutionalized

sorry. but the truth hurts.

You missed one....."or not making a living by selling video of yourself screwing goats and doing cocaine."

[Varrah]

......... I feel sorry for your significant other... ;)
Ditto on that! :eek:

[DocSavag]

......... I feel sorry for your significant other... ;)

Why are you jumping to the conclusion his SO isn't having sex? ;)

[Vallas]

Ditto on that! :eek:

In Flames rocks.

[trout]

Why are you jumping to the conclusion his SO isn't having sex? ;)

LMFAO, best comment of the day :D

[Varrah]

In Flames rocks.

Hell yea!

[Leatherneck]

......... I feel sorry for your significant other... ;)

If they're only having sex for procreation....sounds more like an insignificant other to me.

[Phaethor]

Why are you jumping to the conclusion his SO isn't having sex? ;)

OMG... lol

That is the best comment ...

Best,

Phae

[Elanie]

Why are you jumping to the conclusion his SO isn't having sex? ;)

.... ouch... LMAO!!!!

[jonaku]

still proving my point that you arent here to debate your posts... just troll... you have someone who's willing to debate to the teeth with you now, and all you do is make these pathetic little jabs? Once again... prove us wrong.

i already gave u my substantive points in the op. u didn't respond to each one. so who's being vacuous?

[jonaku]

What about people that are disabled? i was in a wheel chair for 5 months, it freaking sucked. I can now walk a little bit, but when i couldnt, i had TONS of free time. YOu cant do much but sit or lay there. I was playing Everquest at the time. It took up a ton of my "free time" as i had mostly 24 hours a day for free time.


My point is you just cant put a ban on stuff like that. USA is suppsedly free. This will not fly.

i already said in the OP that i waived the cap for invalids, bedridden and homebound. so ur concern is already addressed to ur satisfaction. so stop bitching already.

[jonaku]

My point is you just cant put a ban on stuff like that. USA is suppsedly free.

freedom isnt' free

[Isobel]

i already gave u my substantive points in the op. u didn't respond to each one. so who's being vacuous?

Pretty much you.

[Neiuo]

really? i use that same argument for using cocaine or molesting goats or avoiding taxes. just cause I feel like doing something, doesn't mean it's not irresponsible or gross or illegal or heinous.

Fixed.....

ok, I know its wrong but I just couldnt help it. :D

[Vengeful]

My point is you just cant put a ban on stuff like that. USA is suppsedly free. This will not fly.

When will people realize that The Internet =! USA

[Shihan]

When will people realize that The Internet =! USA

We run most of the backbones to it. We started it. I won't say The Internet is the USA but ... we definitely have more invested. :P

[Belletrix]

jonaku just because your sweat shop owner beats you between gold farming sessions you dont have to come here and take it out on all these people.


That was the best response of all LOL.

[Dargnon]

Ban

[sweetdigs]

Off the top of my head, without the benefit of the bracket:

Kansas
Wash St.
Louisville
UNLV

Wash St?? Lol. You must be a Coug. Cougs will be lucky to get past the Sweet Sixteen, especially with D. Low in the slump he's in.

[Vengeful]

We run most of the backbones to it. We started it. I won't say The Internet is the USA but ... we definitely have more invested. :P

The English started the english language, doesn't mean they have the rights to it =P

I just see some pretty ****ed up interpretations of "Land of the Free" that have nearly no relationship to what the phrase is actually refering to.

No, it doesn't mean that you get everything without spending money.
No, it doesn't mean that you can do whatever the **** you want.
No, it doesn't mean that you can say whatever the **** you want.
No, it doesn't mean that there aren't laws.

[Kenak]

Vanguard should do the responsible thing and cap the # of hours an account can play per day.

I propose a cap of 3 hours per day Monday to Friday and 5 hours on weekends. Alternately, you could do a cap of 100 hours per month. Once you hit your cap, the game boots you out.

Here are the reasons to do this:
(1) It prevents unhealthy sedentary obsessive behaviors

(2) It makes it more expensive for gold farmers to farm

(3) It makes powerleveling services unpalatable

(4) It prevents people getting to level 50 in a month

(5) China does it. Vanguard should do it now before the US government regulates them the way China does.

(6) It prevents obsessive behavior resulting in divorces, job losses and grades failing.

If you're an invalid, bedridden or housebound, you can submit a notarized written waiver to Sigil directly with a doctor's note. Then you can play as much as you want.

IF UR NOT HANDICAPPED, THERE IS NO RESPONSBILE REASON TO PLAY VANGUARD MORE THAN 100 HOURS A MONTH. I DARE U TO GIVE ME A GOOD REASON. U CANNOT.
Yes, genius idea. Let's make people pay for a game, but then limit their play time despite paying to play. You, sir, are a bigot.

[Shihan]

The English started the english language, doesn't mean they have the rights to it =P

I just see some pretty ****ed up interpretations of "Land of the Free" that have nearly no relationship to what the phrase is actually refering to.

No, it doesn't mean that you get everything without spending money.
No, it doesn't mean that you can do whatever the **** you want.
No, it doesn't mean that you can say whatever the **** you want.
No, it doesn't mean that there aren't laws.

LOL yeah. Some people have a pretty disturbed view of 'freedom' in the US ( and on the 'net ) these days.

[Phaethor]

Wash St?? Lol. You must be a Coug. Cougs will be lucky to get past the Sweet Sixteen, especially with D. Low in the slump he's in.

Everyone gets One Wish... lol

13 years in Seattle... Hope the Cougs go at least to the final four.

Best,

Phae

[Dazzler Desiderare]

Damn it, im trying my best to not give out one of my normal responses, but seeing how I was recently given an official "Rabb1t Punch", I must keep it clean. .. ... .....


Man this isnt gonna be easy :p

[kcxiv]

i already said in the OP that i waived the cap for invalids, bedridden and homebound. so ur concern is already addressed to ur satisfaction. so stop bitching already.

So how do you figure to put a cap on something like that? have a damn serial number you put in or osmething? oh doctor i need a seriel gaming number so i can play VG for more then 3 hours a day.

Also, i lost over 150lbs WHILE playing Video games. Its called get off for a few hours and exercise and eat right. Give up hot pockets!

[Leatherneck]

......... I feel sorry for your significant other... ;)

So how do you figure to put a cap on something like that? have a damn serial number you put in or osmething? oh doctor i need a seriel gaming number so i can play VG for more then 3 hours a day.

Also, i lost over 150lbs WHILE playing Video games. Its called get off for a few hours and exercise and eat right. Give up hot pockets!


I guess Sigil would have to send over a physician to document your condition. Then they would have to send a notorized, signed affidavit proclaiming you are indeed "fit" for more than the time alloted to the rest of us.

You'd have to have a check-up every 3 months to ensure you're still in a condition allowed to play more than 100 hours a month, which means either that physician Sigil has on retainer has to return, or you have to haul your ass to a doctor to tell you "Yep, you're still wheelchair bound. I'll get this notorized and sent off via registered, insured mail right away".

[Kriptical]

Sad thing is the more people we have running around like moron's, and winning lawsuits for their stupidity, the more law's we get...heh, we get a bunch of fat people and the answer isnt exercise...its smaller candy bars! ....and salads at mcdonalds...

[wargod1968]

Vanguard should do the responsible thing and cap the # of hours an account can play per day.

I propose a cap of 3 hours per day Monday to Friday and 5 hours on weekends. Alternately, you could do a cap of 100 hours per month. Once you hit your cap, the game boots you out.

Here are the reasons to do this:
(1) It prevents unhealthy sedentary obsessive behaviors

(2) It makes it more expensive for gold farmers to farm

(3) It makes powerleveling services unpalatable

(4) It prevents people getting to level 50 in a month

(5) China does it. Vanguard should do it now before the US government regulates them the way China does.

(6) It prevents obsessive behavior resulting in divorces, job losses and grades failing.

If you're an invalid, bedridden or housebound, you can submit a notarized written waiver to Sigil directly with a doctor's note. Then you can play as much as you want.

IF UR NOT HANDICAPPED, THERE IS NO RESPONSBILE REASON TO PLAY VANGUARD MORE THAN 100 HOURS A MONTH. I DARE U TO GIVE ME A GOOD REASON. U CANNOT.

I think you sould be regulated to no more than 3 posts a month. That, or have you move to China.

[jonaku]

Yes, genius idea. Let's make people pay for a game, but then limit their play time despite paying to play. You, sir, are a bigot.

correct, i am bigoted against irresponsible shitheads. i guess everyone has their vices.

[ShadeVice]

the big ban...atleast he went out big...9 pages, almost 10...close.

[kcxiv]

freedom isnt' free

guess you ddint see my quotation marks over the word Supposedly huh?

[Riggin]

*looks around*

Hey perfect! Got another one!

-Riggin

[perfect]

Welcome, ah...one of you is not my friend.

Welcome, people, to the Volcano.

Chips and dip are over there. <points>

Beer and soda are in the fridge, there. <points>

Enjoy.

[ThreadKiller]

Welcome, ah...one of you is not my friend..

I'm sorry, I'll get bottles next time. :o

[Vengeful]

correct, i am bigoted against irresponsible shitheads. i guess everyone has their vices.

ANGRY NINJA! SICK'M!

[wargod1968]

they already do it in china. i think the usa should be next. hopefully hillary clinton & co. will get something like this regulated if the game companies refuse to do the responsible thing and regulate themselves.

Capital idea. I'm writing Sentator Clinton now. Since you seem in the spirit of the moment, I've recommended the use of emminent domain to seize your (or your family's) property for use as the future headquarters of the Federal Internet Quality Management Regulatory Agency.

Since you advocate for doing things the chinese way, I imagine small quibbles like personal property rights and freedom to pursue life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are easily squelched by your willingness to see to the 'common good'.

[wargod1968]

correct, i am bigoted against irresponsible shitheads. i guess everyone has their vices.

You must be filled with self-loathing, then.

[ZephyrVG]

Ok this is obvious to everyone but the OP apparantly.

This guy is simply eaten up with jealousy over not being able to play as much as he'd like. That's it in a nutshell. He feels that because he can't play as much as he'd like, he wants to have others' playtime regulated so they can't get too far ahead of him. It's simple really. I'm sure he will deny it but I really don't care (especially when I'm just so danged right about something).

I for one would love to be able to play more than I currently do. I really enjoy the game. It keeps me from blowing way too much money when I go out and it keeps me in contact with friends whom I've had since childhood. In fact if it weren't for MMOs I wouldn't be as in touch with others as I currently am. Games should never be regulated. That's the bottom line. People just need to take personal responsibility for their own actions. No one should need to have their hand held by the government. That viewpoint seems oddly right-wing to me yet he trumpets the arrival of Hillbillery.

What a sad sad little man. I can't believe that he's allowed to post here. What a shame.

[Riggin]

Welcome to the Volcano Zephyr!

Chips *points*

Beer *points* (It might be warm....the fridge is down and perfect forgot to get ice)

Wine/liquor *points*

And unfortunately, people are allowed to post anything down here. Or fortunately, depending on your point of view. If stuff like this didn't get posted, we'd have nothing to ridicule and belittle. That's our job down here.

Make yourself at home.

-Riggin

[Ishtavin]

If the beer is warm, its not beer, i was just lazy so sorry in advance.