why block other language? (only englisch can)

[heartwrk]

plz support other language chatting


we using poor english for commuication

if makes killing asian user & killing our's society in game :cry:


ps : if US people want don't see broken text sigil can make "dont see other

language option button" in config window



.

[Aegorian]

Same answer applies as i wrote in your other post about the Asian Time Server. If/When they do an official asian launch, which would require both server and language support, this will likely be remedied. Vanguard, thus far, has only been launched in North America and Europe.

[Kelenvor]

Only problem with this is the GMs. In Lineage 2, people would use other languages so they could say whatever they wanted since the GMs couldn't understand them. You would have to have GMs that understood multiple languages so they could investigate harassement cases.

[Nólaquen]

heartwrk, Sigil understands your concern because the European community and fansites have been working really hard to get solid information on localization efforts from them. The European players are having similar problems. As far as I know, Sigil hasn't yet committed to an estimated date when they'll have foreign language text support, but they have said it is a priority for them.

[Jaguarjp]

plz support other language chatting


we using poor english for commuication

if makes killing asian user & killing our's society in game :cry:


ps : if US people want don't see broken text sigil can make "dont see other

language option button" in config window



.

I am sorry that it is hard for you because you must use English for now.

But if your English becomes better from playing a game, it will be a good skill for you in real life, yes? More knowledge is always a good thing.

[Dulcina]

I am sorry that it is hard for you because you must use English for now.

But if your English becomes better from playing a game, it will be a good skill for you in real life, yes? More knowledge is always a good thing.

I'm from Sweden. I speak english both ingame and irl every single day. Are you suggesting that I should be forced to speak English when I play with other swedes? ******

[heartwrk]

when raid time raid leader have to use poor english?

we have to read poor english?

we can understand deeply about raid tatics or leader's command?


can u imagine? raid boss killing us..english killing us lol

[Trillis]

I'm from Sweden. I speak english both ingame and irl every single day. Are you suggesting that I should be forced to speak English when I play with other swedes? ******


Hmmm, Dulcina?

Cleric on E'ci from EQ?

[Sturmlied]

That's something they should have done from the beginning.

It's not that hard to just support stuff like ü, ö, ä, é, á, etc.

We are not talking about a full translation, we are just talking about the letters, thats something that is really easy to change.

I don't even want a translation. I like playing in English.
But when I talk to a German I want to be able to write something without the game "stealing" some important letters.

Then it looks like this "Fr what do you wnt this nce wateer?
It should read "For what do you want this nice whatever?" (stupid sentence I know =)

Asians are even more ****ed like that.

[Diaxis]

I'm from Sweden. I speak english both ingame and irl every single day. Are you suggesting that I should be forced to speak English when I play with other swedes? ******

I wouldn't have a problem personally with that occurring on the European servers, and likewise I think its OK to speak Chinese on asian servers... whenever they are launched.

I think its odd that consumers in foreign markets where the game has not, or may not ever be released, who can speak little or no english at all, should insist on being able to communicate in-game in chinese or whatever. This game IMHO has been introduced to asia through the gold farming community, not through marketing. Notice that the OP wasn't asking for localized servers, they want to talk to each other on NA servers in their own language.

I honestly don't see any entertainment or gameplay value in cobbling together of every nationality in the same playspace. We interact with other cultures in real life because we have to, however I won't pay to recreate in an environment where I can't understand half the players.

[Pixi]

I'm from Sweden. I speak english both ingame and irl every single day. Are you suggesting that I should be forced to speak English when I play with other swedes? ******

/cheer

Another Swede. :D

I don't think that's what he's suggesting, though hehe. We're probably still safe to call our RL friends "ärke-pucko" when they look at us funny. :twisted:

[Blox]

when raid time raid leader have to use poor english?

we have to read poor english?

we can understand deeply about raid tatics or leader's command?


can u imagine? raid boss killing us..english killing us lol

Called teamspeak or vent, Use it, love it, and you wont have to worrie so much about poor english in the mean time.

[Istaira]

I wouldn't have a problem personally with that occurring on the European servers, and likewise I think its OK to speak Chinese on asian servers... whenever they are launched.

I think its odd that consumers in foreign markets where the game has not, or may not ever be released, who can speak little or no english at all, should insist on being able to communicate in-game in chinese or whatever. This game IMHO has been introduced to asia through the gold farming community, not through marketing. Notice that the OP wasn't asking for localized servers, they want to talk to each other on NA servers in their own language.

I honestly don't see any entertainment or gameplay value in cobbling together of every nationality in the same playspace. We interact with other cultures in real life because we have to, however I won't pay to recreate in an environment where I can't understand half the players.


I do not care if they wish to talk backwards, all they are asking for is a means to commincate to others of thier own nation. We are out the dark ages now, where racism and elite this or that is long past. Lets see it also in our games.

If they are working on localisation, perhaps in the meantime, give them thier own chat channels so they can speak in German, french or whatever without distrupting chat.

Every single day there is a flame war in chat about not speaking english, and I am so fed up of it. I do not think anyone should be told they should not buy a game as it was not meant for thier culture in this day and age. Games should be enjoyed by all, regardless of where in the world you are.

And for the record, not all asian people are gold farmers.

[Purplenv]

Shit, even the engrish users won't use ingame text to co-ordinate a raid.

Ventriro onry.

[Blox]

I do not care if they wish to talk backwards, all they are asking for is a means to commincate to others of thier own nation. We are out the dark ages now, where racism and elite this or that is long past. Lets see it also in our games.

If they are working on localisation, perhaps in the meantime, give them thier own chat channels so they can speak in German, french or whatever without distrubiting chat.

Every single day there is a flame war in chat about not speaking english, and I am so fed up of it. I do not think anyone should be told they should not buy a game as it was not meant for thier culture in this day and age. Games should be enjoyed by all, regardless of where in the world you are.

And for the record, not all asian people are gold farmers.

I agree! now if they made all those asian porn cartoon games in english id be a very happy man..... maybe we can trade them a VG port for some porno video game ports?

[Chae668]

I wouldn't have a problem personally with that occurring on the European servers, and likewise I think its OK to speak Chinese on asian servers... whenever they are launched.

I think its odd that consumers in foreign markets where the game has not, or may not ever be released, who can speak little or no english at all, should insist on being able to communicate in-game in chinese or whatever. This game IMHO has been introduced to asia through the gold farming community, not through marketing. Notice that the OP wasn't asking for localized servers, they want to talk to each other on NA servers in their own language.

I honestly don't see any entertainment or gameplay value in cobbling together of every nationality in the same playspace. We interact with other cultures in real life because we have to, however I won't pay to recreate in an environment where I can't understand half the players.

actually, he did state he wanted a localized server. but becuase he had no answers, he started this one intead. i believe the thread is still on the front page. it starts with **VOTE** somethin or another.

[Blox]

actually, he did state he wanted a localized server. but becuase he had no answers, he started this one intead. i believe the thread is still on the front page. it starts with **VOTE** somethin or another.


The real fact is your going to buy an english version and have it shipped to you from the states. dont bitch becuse you have to type in english, At the moment voice communication seems like a good alternative.

Also sucks theres not a VG asian version but thats just the way it is at the moment.

[Aurvan]

I'm not English, nor do I speak english normally. But I would rather play on a US server instead of a European one, since it's very annoying to hear the channels spammed with German, French, Spanish etc. On US servers most people (try to) speak (type in) English, so you can understand what everyone's saying. Another reason I chose the server I did, was that it was the only RP-server.

Anyway, for me to move to a European server was if one of them were enforced English. Then the others could be a mix of all the other languages. People from Sweden, Holland, Iceland, Norway, Finland, Denmark etc. are just fine with using english, so it would be for people from Spain, Germany, and France I guess.

And about Swedish people speaking English to other Swedish people. I think they should, as long as it's not in tells or a group of just Swedes. In a mixed group, I find it a bit rude if someone speak a language some can't understand.

[Chae668]

The real fact is your going to buy an english version and have it shipped to you from the states. dont bitch becuse you have to type in english, At the moment voice communication seems like a good alternative.

Also sucks theres not a VG asian version but thats just the way it is at the moment.

why does everyone reference me and type a post that has nothing to do with my comment??

noone use the reply button on the bottom left of the forum?

[Dulcina]

And about Swedish people speaking English to other Swedish people. I think they should, as long as it's not in tells or a group of just Swedes. In a mixed group, I find it a bit rude if someone speak a language some can't understand.

That goes without saying.

[Martok]

I'm from Sweden. I speak english both ingame and irl every single day. Are you suggesting that I should be forced to speak English when I play with other swedes? ******

Well..

If you are playing a game made in the US, by US citizens, hosted on US soil, then yes, I expect you to either deal with it or don't play.

How absurd would it be for me to purchase an MMORPG made in Sweeden for Swedes and demand they introduce English because I say I don't want to speak Swedish when I play.

I think you are all asking a bit much from a small company like Sigil to have international support for a game they can barely afford to fix and maintain.

Perhaps when the game does well and the Swedish or Chinese membership balloon to 1,000,000 users, they can have an "official Swedish" or "Official Chinese" launch and launch the game the right way in other countries.

PS

Maybe you can find some local (foreign to us), but local to you investors who may want to invest money into Sigil to fund the development for international support for the game.

[Martok]

I've come up with a solution for this asian language thing and how Sigil can easily implement some tools for them in the form of macros.


Macro 1: /shout Come visit my website. I have cheap gold $website

Macro 2: /massemail I wish u to buy gold from me. We have great customer service. Visit $website today.

Macro 3: /whisper You want buy gold? 10 gold for only $cost. Visit $website today!


This will solve alot of the asian-english language barriers in the game.

[Magnus_Olsson]

And about Swedish people speaking English to other Swedish people. I think they should, as long as it's not in tells or a group of just Swedes. In a mixed group, I find it a bit rude if someone speak a language some can't understand.

Ofcourse we talk english when none swedes are around.
But since UTF8 dont seems to have reached Sigil yet, its anoying and alittle 1999 that we cant use local letters in a game from 2007. Dont get me wrong i love VG but its very strange that they dont support it. I'd played EQ1 for many years so im used to type swedish without our special letters, im even used to us english keyboard layout. But still...

Anyone talking Swedish/german/spanish/italian/whatever beside english in public channels should know its very rude and they probably end up on ignore and might not get groups due to that later on.

[entrails]

Well..

If you are playing a game made in the US, by US citizens, hosted on US soil, then yes, I expect you to either deal with it or don't play.

How absurd would it be for me to purchase an MMORPG made in Sweeden for Swedes and demand they introduce English because I say I don't want to speak Swedish when I play.

I think you are all asking a bit much from a small company like Sigil to have international support for a game they can barely afford to fix and maintain.

Perhaps when the game does well and the Swedish or Chinese membership balloon to 1,000,000 users, they can have an "official Swedish" or "Official Chinese" launch and launch the game the right way in other countries.

PS

Maybe you can find some local (foreign to us), but local to you investors who may want to invest money into Sigil to fund the development for international support for the game.

Totally agree at the mo its a us english game ..if youre not happy then wait till localised versions are released..english is the major european language :p

[Yaxa]

There's no reason why people shouldn't be able and allowed to use other languages in private communication.

Is there some kind of award for the most intolerant online community that people here are trying to win? Sometimes I really wonder...

[Chae668]

There's no reason why people shouldn't be able and allowed to use other languages in private communication.

Is there some kind of award for the most intolerant online community that people here are trying to win? Sometimes I really wonder...

private i dont have a prob with. but like most folks, everything spills out eventually. might as well not have it at all.

[entrails]

Well..

If you are playing a game made in the US, by US citizens, hosted on US soil, then yes, I expect you to either deal with it or don't play.

How absurd would it be for me to purchase an MMORPG made in Sweeden for Swedes and demand they introduce English because I say I don't want to speak Swedish when I play.

I think you are all asking a bit much from a small company like Sigil to have international support for a game they can barely afford to fix and maintain.

Perhaps when the game does well and the Swedish or Chinese membership balloon to 1,000,000 users, they can have an "official Swedish" or "Official Chinese" launch and launch the game the right way in other countries.

PS

Maybe you can find some local (foreign to us), but local to you investors who may want to invest money into Sigil to fund the development for international support for the game.

private i dont have a prob with. but like most folks, everything spills out eventually. might as well not have it at all.

good comment :)

[Lumberg]

Will the Dot Hack MMO support English chat? Didn't think so.

[armsakimbo]

plz support other language chatting
...

It's money that makes the world of MMO's go round. With that in mind, I respectfully suggest that your best course is to get as many players who want non-english chat as possible to email Sigil customer service requesting it. Something along the lines of:

"I play Vanguard, my account is identify_your_account. I want to keep playing your game, but forcing me to chat in English makes it less fun. Please add one or more servers that support chat in your_preferred_language."

I strongly suspect that seeing thousands of paying subscribers make such a request direct to them would be far greater incentive than the occasional post to a fansite that gets smothered in a flood of knee-jerk chauvinism.

And if there aren't thousands of paying subscribers prepared to make such a request, well, you're probably stuck waiting until Sigil's marketeers convince the company brass that they can get a lot more subscribers by adding foreign servers.

[Martok]

private i dont have a prob with. but like most folks, everything spills out eventually. might as well not have it at all.

Talking a different language from the majority of people in your immediate surrounding area is downright rude if you know the language yourself.

Its like when you place a take out order..

Waiter: May i take your order?
Me: Ya, quart of wanton w/ chicken and broccoli combo w/ white rice"
Waiter: 15 minutes, you're number 30.
Waiter: <screams back in chinese>
Hostess: Talks to waiter in chinese and giggles
Waiter: Giggles back at hostess and talks more chinese
Waiter: Sir, would you like soy sauce with that?

[Diaxis]

I do not care if they wish to talk backwards, all they are asking for is a means to commincate to others of thier own nation. We are out the dark ages now, where racism and elite this or that is long past. Lets see it also in our games.

If they are working on localisation, perhaps in the meantime, give them thier own chat channels so they can speak in German, french or whatever without distrupting chat.

Every single day there is a flame war in chat about not speaking english, and I am so fed up of it. I do not think anyone should be told they should not buy a game as it was not meant for thier culture in this day and age. Games should be enjoyed by all, regardless of where in the world you are.

And for the record, not all asian people are gold farmers.

Not every asian player is a farmer, but I'll bet you damn near every farmer is asian, especially the ones who, despite their bad english, can go out of their way to locate a product that hasn't been released in asia.

You might be fed up with the debate or "intolerance", but that won't make it go away. You say there are no elites anymore, but I'll tell you who they are : they are the rich industrialists and neocons on the right who want to saturate our countries with third world labor for their own financial interests, and the leftists who think the world will be a happy place once its thoroughly Balkanized and European identity is destroyed. I see nothing wrong with english-speaking Americans wanting something for themselves and I support their right to have that preference. I support the right of every European country to have exclusive servers as well, assuming it makes financial sense. I'll be straight up with you : what I endure in the work-world is a completely different thing than how I recreate, and who I recreate with. I don't go to a bar after work with a bunch of people I don't understand, why should I want to do this in an MMO?

The only thing I'm tired of personally is the ideological trojan horse of political correctness thats being spoon-fed to our children everyday through the school system for the sake of keeping the peace in this giant consumer market which used to be the United States. If Sigil thinks throwing everyone together on the same server is a good business move, they've got their head up the rear.

[Chae668]

I do not care if they wish to talk backwards, all they are asking for is a means to commincate to others of thier own nation. We are out the dark ages now, where racism and elite this or that is long past. Lets see it also in our games.

not in the dark ages, huh? guess you never tried FFXI. why dont you go there, and see if your argument holds true. i played that game for 4 years, and had to put up with a game that had a huge foreign problem.

becasue it was a japanese game, they never segregated to only english, or only japanese(using japanese in general when i talk about this particular language). so, we had to play along side them. they didnt care that we were there, they spammed their own text. they wouldnt group with us BECAUSE we were NA. sure, we had a translator function, but the majority of the words that we used in the translator, meant something completely different to them, or didnt even make sence.

they finally brought in an english speaking server after 2 or so years. by that time, we were all settled with our friends, and didnt want to move to a different server, when others didnt. and it ended up being where all the gil(currency) farmers went, because it was a new economy.

so, before you go yellin and screamin about not living in the dark ages, or none of that matters anymore, why not do some research for yourself, and actually take a look at some games that do.

then maybe you can make a valid point.

[ZNICK]

Guys, just create another channel and use whatever language you like there.

It's EZ!

Z

[Kaching]

Then it looks like this "Fr what do you wnt this nce wateer?
It should read "For what do you want this nice whatever?" (stupid sentence I know =)
So you're saying special characters like umlauts just disappear?
Interesting. Because if that's true, then it seems like they actually went through the pains of specifically blocking those characters. I mean, it's 2007, 8-bit ASCII has been around for more than 20 years, Unicode almost 15 years. At least the former has always been working out-of-the-box for Windows. So it's not a question of whether the dev team shouldn't be bothered to implement a way non-english speakers can communicate. They actually bothered and invested time to make said communication harder? Hello? :mad: McFly? Anybody home? McFly, I'm talking to you!

[Chae668]

Guys, just create another channel and use whatever language you like there.

It's EZ!

Z

lol, wow......

never thought of that one..

that would make better sence. huh.. i must be tired:)

edit: the only prob with that is they dont have their specific symbols and letters to make their words make sence.

[Sailormoontw]

I think you should make other languages possible in the following channel:
1. tell
2. player made channel

and the group leader or raid leader can determine if other language should be allowed in the group channel, and raid channel.

say/shout/auction/area channel will not be allowed to use non English language.

[Vryce]

I'm from Sweden. I speak english both ingame and irl every single day. Are you suggesting that I should be forced to speak English when I play with other swedes? ******

No. He's suggesting a way to look on the bright side.

[Sturmlied]

So you're saying special characters like umlauts just disappear?
Interesting. Because if that's true, then it seems like they actually went through the pains of specifically blocking those characters. I mean, it's 2007, 8-bit ASCII has been around for more than 20 years, Unicode almost 15 years. At least the former has always been working out-of-the-box for Windows. So it's not a question of whether the dev team shouldn't be bothered to implement a way non-english speakers can communicate. They actually bothered and invested time to make said communication harder? Hello? :mad: McFly? Anybody home? McFly, I'm talking to you!

So you are saying that Sigil have realy spend time to block the specialcharacters?

Well I don't think so. That would make them racist a******s (sorry but it's true) and I don't think that they are.
Some other people in this thread on the other hand are showing some pretty disturbing tendencys.

Yes it's a game made in English. That's why I and most Germans, don't use German in General Chats or groups.
Because it's rude.

But we are playing on a EUROPEAN Server and even with English as the European language they should support the special characters most other European languages use.

Edit: You missed a word in the filter a*s*o*e*s is not blocked but **** is =)

[chacha]

So you are saying that Sigil have realy spend time to block the special characters?

No, Sigil didn't block speicial characters. Actually, they only activated 1-byte Roman characters. Therefore, European language users that use Alphabet would have almost no problem in communicaton. However, Asian language users that use 2-byte letters such as Japanese, Chinese and Korean have great difficulty in every expression. I tested to make VG client accept 2-byte letters only to fail.

I'd like to ask Sigil that you will make VG client accept 2-byte input letters in future just like eq2. Though some Chinese gold sellers will also welcome this, but they'll be here whether you do this or not. So, I hope you not to link this matter with that there will be more Chinese gold sellers.

[Magnus_Olsson]

I think you should make other languages possible in the following channel:
1. tell
2. player made channel

and the group leader or raid leader can determine if other language should be allowed in the group channel, and raid channel.

say/shout/auction/area channel will not be allowed to use non English language.

How do you plan to get that to work, add a spellchecker that check if its english for public channels :P Okey you can use only basic latin letters but that dont stop the majority of the european population to use their language without their own special symbols.

Why do we have a discussion about goldfarmers? so they need asian letters to be able to sell gold?

There is no way to stop all the diffrent languages on the server if someone wanna shout in german they will do, I only hope we dont have many that will do. So its no point in blocking any letters even if i dont think they are activly blocking it they just dont support it.

[pruneboy]

So, just to make this clear:

1. The game is all in english and that's fine.

2. The official language on US and european servers is perceived to be english and that's fine too.

3. The chat channels however, does not support umlauts and that makes group and guildchatting awkward if you try to write in german, swedish or other written languages that includes them.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umlaut

[Sturmlied]

Jep, thats another good point I don't need Ö,Ä,Ü to write German.

We can use oe, ae or ue to replace them.

Still it should be standart to support unicode these days.

[Guru]

I am sorry that it is hard for you because you must use English for now.

But if your English becomes better from playing a game, it will be a good skill for you in real life, yes? More knowledge is always a good thing.

this is so truth! I learned a lot of good english while playing MMOs
some exapmles:
WTB
WTS
LFG
ROFL
LOL
FU
FYI
QQ
STFU
NOOB
PWNED
OWNED
NEWB
EURO TRASH
LFM

/sarcasm off

i think thats enough. . .the only thing he will learn while playing any MMO is TRASH ENGLISH and swearing

[Magnus_Olsson]

I think you should make other languages possible in the following channel:
1. tell
2. player made channel

and the group leader or raid leader can determine if other language should be allowed in the group channel, and raid channel.

say/shout/auction/area channel will not be allowed to use non English language.

Jep, thats another good point I don't need Ö,Ä,Ü to write German.

We can use oe, ae or ue to replace them.

Still it should be standart to support unicode these days.

Exactly my point :) swedish öäå is easy to change to o and a also just its feels alittle old.

[Honor Woods]

I suspect that Umlauts and other Euro-language letters will come out on the Euro-version of VG, or be added to it shortly after launch. Asian characters would probably have to wait until an Asian server gets launched.

One problem I think was briefly touched on is this: Once you have the Foreign Languages text support, people will expect customer service in their own languages. And that would mean hiring people who speak multiple languages (and that costs more) and/or much longer wait times on Petitions.

Imagine waiting for six hours on a petition only to find out the GM speaks French, Spanish and Korean... but has broken English skills and can't help you. (Please insert your own language for English if you wish, it will drive the point home more.)

[Magnus_Olsson]

I suspect that Umlauts and other Euro-language letters will come out on the Euro-version of VG, or be added to it shortly after launch. Asian characters would probably have to wait until an Asian server gets launched.

One problem I think was briefly touched on is this: Once you have the Foreign Languages text support, people will expect customer service in their own languages. And that would mean hiring people who speak multiple languages (and that costs more) and/or much longer wait times on Petitions.

Imagine waiting for six hours on a petition only to find out the GM speaks French, Spanish and Korean... but has broken English skills and can't help you. (Please insert your own language for English if you wish, it will drive the point home more.)


Dont flame me now but i just wondering, if i send a petetion in swedish or whatever in WoW (just an example since you can use öäå in WoW) will i get any help? Maybe i will, they have a much larger organisation but i wont expect to get a answer in swedish just becuase i can use öäå when typing. They need to add "Please use English only" in the petition window guess :P

[Magnus_Olsson]

Yes! No one is forcing you to buy the game are they?

Noone is forcing him to talk english either.

[pruneboy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY_Yf4zz-yo

:D

edit:
A personal favorite:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAsYwW7pt7o

[Honor Woods]

Dont flame me now but i just wondering, if i send a petetion in swedish or whatever in WoW (just an example since you can use öäå in WoW) will i get any help? Maybe i will, they have a much larger organisation but i wont expect to get a answer in swedish just becuase i can use öäå when typing. They need to add "Please use English only" in the petition window guess :P

I doubt you'd get any help besides a, "Hey, can you repeat that request in English, please," or "I'm sorry, I don't understand your language."

But people would expect it. And I bet the poor GMs there in WoWsville have to deal with it from time to time.

[entrails]

Noone is forcing him to talk english either.

True but as has been pointed out the game has only been released in english speaking format and english is the major european language anyway.

Go play something else if u dont like it...;)

[Magnus_Olsson]

They could always add "can you please repeat that in english" macro along with the "Please make a bugreport" Macro :P

Whatever, I have just been wondering the same thing as many others, how can it be so hard to support a chat system that handle more than the basic letters.

[Magnus_Olsson]

True but as has been pointed out the game has only been released in english speaking format and english is the major european language anyway.

Go play something else if u dont like it...;)

It was only a stupid reply on his stupid reply nothing to put any attension on :rolleyes:

[Kaching]

No, Sigil didn't block speicial characters. Actually, they only activated 1-byte Roman characters.

Jep, thats another good point I don't need Ö,Ä,Ü to write German.
We can use oe, ae or ue to replace them.

Huh? Now I'm confused. Umlauts and such are part of the standard 8-bit set. So... can you type them or not?

And of course, nobody should expect to get help with a petition, even on European servers, if he or she uses a language different from the server's main language to write one. That's obvious.

[Sturmlied]

When I try to write a word with Ö in Vanguard, let's say "aufhören" (Stop like in "Can you stop this please") I will get "aufhren".

The game just does not recognize it.

[Squishy]

when raid time raid leader have to use poor english?

we have to read poor english?

we can understand deeply about raid tatics or leader's command?


can u imagine? raid boss killing us..english killing us lol

Your last sentence made me LOL. :D I can see a raid wiping due to poor communication. Have you considered using Ventrilo for such things until your language is supported? At least then you can speak verbally with each other and not worry about having to use English.

It's still a new game. Just give it a little while and hopefully they will support other languages. The question is, how many should they support? It's not like I know or anything, but it seems like there would be a lot of Asian languages to implement and that could be a huge undertaking.

[Gutdog]

Under paragraph 22 within article 285 of the United Nations charter it is required by law for all people of the Earth to speak/write English in public dealings, especially the French. In fact for the French it is required under International Law that they speak English at all times, including their private conversations, whether they like it or not!

[Diaxis]

So you are saying that Sigil have realy spend time to block the specialcharacters?

Well I don't think so. That would make them racist a******s (sorry but it's true) and I don't think that they are.

Nationalism and racism aren't the same thing. In Sigil's defense, white people of European descent excluding white people of European descent based on their language preference is not racism. More than likely its a financial question, like another poster pointed out, of simply not being able to afford customer support staff in 30 different languages. There are many U.S. based companies who simply cannot not do business, or ship products overseas, because of its impracticality.

[Diaxis]

Something else that everyone overlooks regarding these umlauts is that it makes reporting problem players a real difficulty if said player has an umlaut in their character name. Every cheater/exploiter/griefer out there will start using funky characters in their character name just to prevent other players from properly reporting them.

[Morden]

If you are playing a game made in the US, by US citizens, hosted on US soil, then yes, I expect you to either deal with it or don't play.


I suppose you'd be just fine with your hi-fi only having instructions in Japanese, your gfx card only having instructions in Chinese, and your car's dashboard being in German?

Don't be silly. If Sigil sell to non English speaking countries they should support the languages. It's very easy to do if you plan it up front, the technology for localization has been around a long time.

[Rowain deWolf]

More than likely its a financial question, like another poster pointed out, of simply not being able to afford customer support staff in 30 different languages. There are many U.S. based companies who simply cannot not do business, or ship products overseas, because of its impracticality.

Something else that everyone overlooks regarding these umlauts is that it makes reporting problem players a real difficulty if said player has an umlaut in their character name. Every cheater/exploiter/griefer out there will start using funky characters in their character name just to prevent other players from properly reporting them.

The problem has nothing to do with translation of the game (that will happen during the next month) or with playernames (absolutly understandable if they want no special-letters in their playernames) but to do with that the plain simple chatwindow does not recognize any spezial letters. A simple task that this forumboard can handle easily but Sigil can not?

[Sturmlied]

Why does everyone think that supporting ~10 more letters for the chat system mean that they HAVE to give support in this language?

We are NOT talking translation here and even in a fully localized game i would now automatically expect German Support.

My English is not perfect (nether is my German btw. *g*). But I'm comfortable to speak English all day and I would support someone how would try to make it law that everyone on the world has to be able to speak English.
That would make things easier.

And trust me I know and I'm a big fan of the English language.

But for a Program sold to people who speak other languages It should be standard to support Unicode. The support for theres letters is actually included in every OS and for Program in Windows it's not a lot of work to use it.

[Diaxis]

Why does everyone think that supporting ~10 more letters for the chat system mean that they HAVE to give support in this language?

We are NOT talking translation here and even in a fully localized game i would now automatically expect German Support.

My English is not perfect (nether is my German btw. *g*). But I'm comfortable to speak English all day and I would support someone how would try to make it law that everyone on the world has to be able to speak English.
That would make things easier.

And trust me I know and I'm a big fan of the English language.

But for a Program sold to people who speak other languages It should be standard to support Unicode. The support for theres letters is actually included in every OS and for Program in Windows it's not a lot of work to use it.

I agree with you, but only because the product was marketed to Germans. What I don't agree with is the need to support Chinese and Japanese pictographs just because someone outside of the intended market went out of their way to obtain a copy of the game, namely the OP. That said, if the Germans or the Swedes want to write an MMO and make it exclusively in their language, I support their right to do so. And If I was compelled to play that game because it was fun, by God I'd learn to speak German.

Anyway, it would be nice if Sigil would weigh in on this, but they still haven't discussed extra character slots for Station Pass, so fat chance we'll hear anything about this. : )

By the way, I believe it would be a horrible idea to release this game in yet another market in its current state. Sigil/SOE can't adequately provide support for its English speaking market, much less China.

[Sturmlied]

As far as i know it should be easy to implement European special characters.

Asian special characters are a bit more difficult, especially because the Alphabet is so different.

And trust me you don't wan to learn German. It's a stupid language.

Don't know about Swedish. The only thing I know about Swedish is that It sounds funny =)

[Martok]

I suppose you'd be just fine with your hi-fi only having instructions in Japanese, your gfx card only having instructions in Chinese, and your car's dashboard being in German?

Don't be silly. If Sigil sell to non English speaking countries they should support the languages. It's very easy to do if you plan it up front, the technology for localization has been around a long time.

There's only one problem.. Those products are being marketed to US customers in bulk. People market to us. We don't market to them. Other countries need to respect their place in the food chain. Obviously german car makers and japanese graphic cards companies realize this.

Oh ya.. and English is the universal language. What do you do in China where there's 5,000 different dialects..

Your argument is only valid if you used spanish as the example.

Who uses Hi-Fi, btw?

[Racmoor]

Learn to speak one of the more common dialects that are spoken in India and you'll get great customer support no matter what company's CS you talk to.

Tobi
25BMG

[Sturmlied]

There's only one problem.. Those products are being marketed to US customers in bulk. People market to us. We don't market to them. Other countries need to respect their place in the food chain. Obviously german car makers and japanese graphic cards companies realize this.

Oh ya.. and English is the universal language. What do you do in China where there's 5,000 different dialects..

Your argument is only valid if you used spanish as the example.

Who uses Hi-Fi, btw?



Well than let's explain it this way:

China is a for MMOs a about 10 times bigger market than the US. Followed by Korea and Japan.

Same goes for other industries.

And all these numbers go UP. Asia is on the top of the industrial food chain not Europe or the US.

Actually there is no food chain.

Everyone sells to everyone and everyone buys from everyone.

US company's WANT to sell stuff in Europe or Asia and Asian and European company's want to sell stuff in the US and other parts of America.
The US Market will not survive without foreign products and the foreign markets will not survive without products from the us.

Welcome to the age of global economy!

[Almighty God]

Oh ya.. and English is the universal language. What do you do in China where there's 5,000 different dialects..


You use a character based writing system. Which China has been doing for a very long time now.

[Kaching]

There's only one problem.. Those products are being marketed to US customers in bulk. People market to us. We don't market to them. Other countries need to respect their place in the food chain. Obviously german car makers and japanese graphic cards companies realize this.
I guess that's why Sigil decided they don't want to have any servers that are tagged "EU" or something, and that's why the never sold a single box outside of the US... oh wait. :rolleyes:

[Nassir]

Just use L33T sp3ak until then

[Morden]

There's only one problem.. Those products are being marketed to US customers in bulk. People market to us. We don't market to them. Other countries need to respect their place in the food chain. Obviously german car makers and japanese graphic cards companies realize this.
Putting the huge amount of arrogance you show in your post to on side, let's just focus on the ignorance.

Vanguard is marketed outside the US to non English speaking countries that need localization and support for unicode characters in the game.

You're right, that with an $800billion trade deficit the US is at the top of the food chain. Quite literally. However, if you think the US doesn't market to other countries you must be one of those who's never ventured beyond it's borders.

[kildest]

There's only one problem.. Those products are being marketed to US customers in bulk. People market to us. We don't market to them. Other countries need to respect their place in the food chain. Obviously german car makers and japanese graphic cards companies realize this.

Oh ya.. and English is the universal language. What do you do in China where there's 5,000 different dialects..

Your argument is only valid if you used spanish as the example.

Who uses Hi-Fi, btw?


I'm going to take the high ground and use the intellectual approach that is lacking in my peers...

You're a dumbass.