So my friend built a new PC

[Evan]

For $550 Bucks, with the intent to play Vanguard.

AMD 64 3200+
BIOSTAR nForce 4 Motherboard
VGA 7600GT
2 gigs G.SKILL DDR2 RAM.
+ Case, powersupply, etc.


Cost him around $550 bucks. And guess what? He plays Vanguard on above balanced settings with 25-30 FPS. It lags occasionally, but guess what? What you're looking at is, by almost all standards, a dated gaming rig that runs Vanguard fine.

Remember kids, would you try running Doom 3 on a Geforce 3 and expect good results?

[Aginor]

Great way to start a flaming post.


I forsee it ending up here ----> :volcano:



Edit: bad word cencorship :)

[Ralvark@Woefeather]

Great way to start a flaming post, dickhead.


I forsee it ending up here ----> :volcano:

Great way to prove to everyone you're immature.

[Aginor]

Great way to prove to everyone you're immature.


Thanks for your much needed opinion.

The guy is obviously flamebaiting.

[colddog]

For $550 Bucks, with the intent to play Vanguard.

AMD 64 3200+
BIOSTAR nForce 4 Motherboard
VGA 7600GT
2 gigs G.SKILL DDR2 RAM.
+ Case, powersupply, etc.


Cost him around $550 bucks. And guess what? He plays Vanguard on above balanced settings with 25-30 FPS. It lags occasionally, but guess what? What you're looking at is, by almost all standards, a dated gaming rig that runs Vanguard fine.

Remember kids, would you try running Doom 3 on a Geforce 3 and expect good results?

Good for him. I have a nicer setup than that and I don't get those framerates.

Good for him.

[Ralvark@Woefeather]

Thanks for your much needed opinion.

The guy is obviously flamebaiting.

And thank you for yours.

[Faite]

My system:

P4 2.6 GHZ with an 800mhz Side bus
2 gig RAM
40 gig hard drive (old and small, 20% free space, defragged daily etc.)
Windows XP
Dell mb
X1300 Extreme Gaming Edition (Vision tek, xge)

Runs 15 to 30 depending on area, can go up to 40's. Some lag when entering a big town for first time, once it loads no issues from there on out.

System was 550.00 new in 2004 (may) and 300.00 recently on 1 more gig RAM and the card (I had a 9700 pro that ran the game at around 12fps , wanted a bit more but had to stay in budget)

Anyway....so since 2004 spent 800.00...I play VG just fine.

I also baby my computer daily. This probably matters. (and it runs only 24 processes)

[MagicNumbers]

For $550 Bucks, with the intent to play Vanguard.

AMD 64 3200+
BIOSTAR nForce 4 Motherboard
VGA 7600GT
2 gigs G.SKILL DDR2 RAM.
+ Case, powersupply, etc.


Cost him around $550 bucks. And guess what? He plays Vanguard on above balanced settings with 25-30 FPS. It lags occasionally, but guess what? What you're looking at is, by almost all standards, a dated gaming rig that runs Vanguard fine.

Remember kids, would you try running Doom 3 on a Geforce 3 and expect good results?

My rig is older than that and I also run it fine. Not on balanced but on high performance.

[Eukament]

My rig is older than that and I also run it fine. Not on balanced but on high performance.

I got a fairly powerful computer and I have problems when fighting in dungeons, I sometimes get single digit frames per second. The worst part is the lag spikes when fighting a monster and every time a new debuff is cast on it (from specials it seems)the game lags for a split second.

[JesperX]

That's largely dependent on where he is and what he's doing. People are most likely to report the best framerates they see in the specified areas, not the actual average framerates they get. While it is possible to get those framerates somewhat stable on a machine like that- the minute you go into an area with a lot of crap or a lot of people, they're gonna drop.

Doesn't disprove the fact that VG is a hog.

[Majin]

For $550 Bucks, with the intent to play Vanguard.

AMD 64 3200+
BIOSTAR nForce 4 Motherboard
VGA 7600GT
2 gigs G.SKILL DDR2 RAM.
+ Case, powersupply, etc.


Cost him around $550 bucks. And guess what? He plays Vanguard on above balanced settings with 25-30 FPS. It lags occasionally, but guess what? What you're looking at is, by almost all standards, a dated gaming rig that runs Vanguard fine.

Remember kids, would you try running Doom 3 on a Geforce 3 and expect good results?

With that processor you CANT tell me he is getting 25-30. With that processor is getting 10 frames in cities and with groups.

I have the same processor and a way superior 8800GTS, when i overclock my proc by 300mhz it starts to get a little better but its far from 25-30 frames in crowded areas...

way to spill bullshit

[xse7enx]

Let's see him run into Southwatch.ppt or Khal.ppt and post results. I have a bleeding edge machine and a simple OUTPOST like Southwatch is a power-point presentation. That's the problem. I run fine in dungeons and other areas.

[Faite]

With that processor you CANT tell me he is getting 25-30. With that processor is getting 10 frames in cities and with groups.

I have the same processor and a way superior 8800GTS, when i overclock my proc by 300mhz it starts to get a little better but its far from 25-30 frames in crowded areas...

way to spill bullshit

I don't know how that compares to mine but I believe him if his processor compares to mine (2.6 ghz with 800mhz side bus). I get 40 fps sometimes.
In town around 16 to 18. I can go down to 12 but that is as low as I get anywhere, ever pretty much with my current ini tweak settings.

[Widjits]

It’s all them swaying trees and fields of grass.. I look at that stuff and wonder if I’m having a flashback to the 70’s. Takes a lot of muscle to keep the world swaying like that.

[Faite]

Widjits that might be very true. What is REALLY weird is vanguard trees are so realistic...I live in what you might call a "Tree house' My house is on level with the trees in the mountains and my windows open up to all trees. I see them swaying then I go in Vanguard and feel like I am looking at real life trees out my own window.

Seriously its scary LOL.

[combustion8]

For $550 Bucks, with the intent to play Vanguard.

AMD 64 3200+
BIOSTAR nForce 4 Motherboard
VGA 7600GT
2 gigs G.SKILL DDR2 RAM.
+ Case, powersupply, etc.


Cost him around $550 bucks. And guess what? He plays Vanguard on above balanced settings with 25-30 FPS. It lags occasionally, but guess what? What you're looking at is, by almost all standards, a dated gaming rig that runs Vanguard fine.

Remember kids, would you try running Doom 3 on a Geforce 3 and expect good results?

Hmmm I thought all nforce4 boards were only ddr not ddr2.

[Bregalad]

Hmmm I thought all nforce4 boards were only ddr not ddr2.
Newegg has 45 socket AM2 mobos listed that are all DDR2/nForce4.

I take it this particular system mobo is a $55 NF4UAM2G.
CPU Type: Athlon 64 X2 / Athlon 64 FX / Athlon 64
Dual Channel Supported: Yes
FSB: 1000MHz Hyper Transport (2000 MT/s)
Maximum Memory Supported: 4GB
Memory Standard: DDR2 800
Number of Memory Slots: 4×240pin
PCI Express x1: 2
PCI Express x16: 1
PCI Slots: 4

[Zippalbit]

That's largely dependent on where he is and what he's doing. People are most likely to report the best framerates they see in the specified areas, not the actual average framerates they get. While it is possible to get those framerates somewhat stable on a machine like that- the minute you go into an area with a lot of crap or a lot of people, they're gonna drop.

Doesn't disprove the fact that VG is a hog.

But it does prove that people that say you have to spend tons of money buying a new computer are lying through their teeth.

[Evan]

No, I was not trying to start a god-damned flamewar, and I thank everyone who didnt jump on the gun and accuse me as such.


And whoever it was that said the 3200+ wouldent get over 10 FPS - Ever heard of overclocking? Or how about processor speed being a little bit lower on the totem pole of performance once you get it past running at 2.4 ghz?

Its a fully optimized Windows install as well, you could say I went to extra measures to make sure that XP was more of a 2000 build that looks like XP without GUI modification.

[Mr_bloodworth]

For $550 Bucks, with the intent to play Vanguard.

AMD 64 3200+
BIOSTAR nForce 4 Motherboard
VGA 7600GT
2 gigs G.SKILL DDR2 RAM.
+ Case, powersupply, etc.


Cost him around $550 bucks. And guess what? He plays Vanguard on above balanced settings with 25-30 FPS. It lags occasionally, but guess what? What you're looking at is, by almost all standards, a dated gaming rig that runs Vanguard fine.

Remember kids, would you try running Doom 3 on a Geforce 3 and expect good results?

Screen shots or it didn't happen.

[Evan]

Screen shots or it didn't happen.

Next time I'm over there, I will. ;)

[Rourke]

Thanks for your much needed opinion.

The guy is obviously flamebaiting.

That's on par with my crap ass system, so can say it's not a lie.

[kildest]

Thanks for your much needed opinion.

The guy is obviously flamebaiting.

And lying.

[Evan]

Screen shots or it didn't happen.

And lying.

Yeah, I go out of my way to lie on forums where I'll never meet any of you.

:rolleyes:

By the way - Hanzo, do you even play the game anymore? For all your bitching and whining, you better have at least 8 or 9 hours a day logged.

[Rourke]

And lying.

When i log in i will go into town and post my framerates while running in Tursh. NOT when i 1st get there obviously as WE all pretty much have the same issue on the 1st few seconds in any town/city.

[kildest]

When i log in i will go into town and post my framerates while running in Tursh. NOT when i 1st get there obviously as WE all pretty much have the same issue on the 1st few seconds in any town/city.

Come on...On ABOVE balanced settings you're getting 25-30? While moving? Oh and do you have the sound option turned off(seriously I've found that gives a SIGNIFICANT increase in performance.)

[Evan]

And I'll play the "You have no idea what you're talking about" card on you, Hanzo.

I don't have time to argue, though, so do us all a favor and hush.

[Rourke]

Come on...On ABOVE balanced settings you're getting 25-30? While moving? Oh and do you have the sound option turned off(seriously I've found that gives a SIGNIFICANT increase in performance.)

No..i just play on High Performance. I get good fps outside on Balanced, but for TK and such, i just keep it to High. That way i get solid fps. I dont wear my headset ever unless on TS, but no, i dont turn off sound, except for that stupid music. Outside on Balanced though i can push 30+ fps, even near people and NPC's. 80+ just tooling around in the woods.

[kildest]

And I'll play the "You have no idea what you're talking about" card on you, Hanzo.

I don't have time to argue, though, so do us all a favor and hush.

Seriously though, you should probably explain how you're doing that. Short of inventing magic I don't see how what you're saying is possible.

[Evan]

Seriously though, you should probably explain how you're doing that. Short of inventing magic I don't see how what you're saying is possible.

Overclocking like a bastard is one of the biggest things, but keeping a super-high performance version of XP on that PC helps as well.

[kildest]

No..i just play on High Performance. I get good fps outside on Balanced, but for TK and such, i just keep it to High. That way i get solid fps. I dont wear my headset ever unless on TS, but no, i dont turn off sound, except for that stupid music.

O.k. that's certainly believable, but the OP is saying he's running it on above balanced consistently at that framerate...
If you go to the sound options and uncheck "use audio" or whatever the equivalent is, I don't remember how they have it coined exactly, I shit you not you'll see a good +10 on your FPS.

[kildest]

Overclocking like a bastard is one of the biggest things, but keeping a super-high performance version of XP on that PC helps as well.

LMFAO...come on..dude, "super-high performance version of XP?" What you have the XP Evan edition?

[Evan]

LMFAO...come on..dude, "super-high performance version of XP?" What you have the XP Evan edition?

Its barebones...not that advanced of a concept.

[combustion8]

Come on...On ABOVE balanced settings you're getting 25-30? While moving? Oh and do you have the sound option turned off(seriously I've found that gives a SIGNIFICANT increase in performance.)

This is true I get an avg 20fps with sound not enabled, I even saw my fps peg at 108 once.

[combustion8]

Overclocking like a bastard is one of the biggest things, but keeping a super-high performance version of XP on that PC helps as well.

I installed xp64 recently and noticed a decent gain in fps... my fps is never an issue it's the hitching that pisses me off.. I can be running steady at 68fps and still hitch like a mofo.

[Aegorian]

said it before, i'll say it again... post all the specs you want, but it doesnt matter. There are still some inherant issues wrong with the coding of the game that will be fixed, but a majority of problems are simply people that dont know how to manage a gaming system. The software on a system will grind any supercomputer to a halt if you muck it up enough.

[kildest]

said it before, i'll say it again... post all the specs you want, but it doesnt matter. There are still some inherant issues wrong with the coding of the game that will be fixed, but a majority of problems are simply people that dont know how to manage a gaming system. The software on a system will grind any supercomputer to a halt if you muck it up enough.

I don't think anyone's denying that, but the OP's claim is silly. And I'm no longer speaking of his framerate but his superhigh performance version of xp.

[Evan]

said it before, i'll say it again... post all the specs you want, but it doesnt matter. There are still some inherant issues wrong with the coding of the game that will be fixed, but a majority of problems are simply people that dont know how to manage a gaming system. The software on a system will grind any supercomputer to a halt if you muck it up enough.

I couldent agree more.

[kildest]

Its barebones...not that advanced of a concept.

It's barebones? You have no idea what that means do you? That has nothing to do with XP. At all.. Not even a little.

[Evan]

I don't think anyone's denying that, but the OP's claim is silly. And I'm no longer speaking of his framerate but his superhigh performance version of xp.

I'll tell you what, do me a favor and open your task manager and tell me how much ram you have with your computer sitting idle and I bet you any amount of money that the XP I have modified uses drastically less amounts of ram. Its to the point that even that silly built in firewall that comes with XP is non-existent in my PC.

[kildest]

This is true I get an avg 20fps with sound not enabled, I even saw my fps peg at 108 once.

Yeah it's crazy isn't it? I found that out by accident....now I play listening to my cd's.

[combustion8]

It's barebones? You have no idea what that means do you? That has nothing to do with XP. At all.. Not even a little.

lol yeah I guess he doesnt realize barbones means no vid card at all among other things.

[kildest]

I'll tell you what, do me a favor and open your task manager and tell me how much ram you have with your computer sitting idle and I bet you any amount of money that the XP I have modified uses drastically less amounts of ram.

I'm not running XP, so yes, you're probably using less memory. If you don't want to be called a liar, simply state what you've done so that you have a superhigh performance verision of XP. By the way, optimizing your OS and claiming you have a superhigh performance VERSION of that OS are two different things. Additionally, however optimized you have it, you're not getting that framerate. On the settings you've described or at least certainly not consistently in populated areas. Or moving.

[combustion8]

Yeah it's crazy isn't it? I found that out by accident....now I play listening to my cd's.

yeah I listen to winamp while I play, couple days ago I bought a x-fi card so I'm hoping this patch will help out.

[Evan]

lol yeah I guess he doesnt realize barbones means no vid card at all among other things.

Thats a barebones COMPUTER...this is a barebones OPERATING SYSTEM.

Now children, what does a barebones PC have? The basics.

What does a barebones OS have? Lets see...the basics!

I consider it to be a "version" because I've actually gone out of my way to pull the files out of the physical OS installation, meaning the files no longer exist on the image itself.

[combustion8]

Thats a barebones COMPUTER...this is a barebones OPERATING SYSTEM.

Now children, what does a barebones PC have? The basics.

What does a barebones OS have? Lets see...the basics!

barebones os? that's a first... and here I thought I was tech savy. :rolleyes:

[Evan]

barebones os? that's a first... and here I thought I was tech savy. :rolleyes:

*shrugs* You can be an expert on hardware and know nothing about software.

Of course I could get a monkey to put together PC hardware.

[kildest]

yeah I listen to winamp while I play, couple days ago I bought a x-fi card so I'm hoping this patch will help out.

let me know if that improves anything. I just hate the fact I keep throwing money at this machine for ONE video game.

[Khurn]

That rig in its simple specs is what I am running and get that type of performance. My rig was built in Apr 2005 with a 3200+ not 3500 but I see my cpu usage starting to become my bottleneck since its running pegged at times.

Everyone expects similar hardware to perform the same with someone who barebones the OS and one who has it fully a crap running all that other background. stupid winblows. Need more powerful machines to run the latest OS for stuff we never going to use.

Poor folks running Bleeding edge CPU and GPU and using cheap onboard sound hahahahaa.

[kildest]

*shrugs* You can be an expert on hardware and know nothing about software.

Of course I could get a monkey to put together PC hardware.

No, he said it because he was being sarcastic, there is no such thing as a barebones OS. And I'm curious to know, exactly what did you exclude in your install of XP?

[Evan]

No, he said because he was being sarcastic, there is no such thing as a barebones OS. And I'm curious to know, exactly what did you exclude in your install of XP?

Removed Components:
Applications:
Accessibility Options
Briefcase
Internet Games
Pinball
Movie Maker
Music Samples
Windows Media Player 8
Internet Connection Wizard
MSN Explorer
Netmeeting
Outlook Express/Address Book
Peer-to-Peer
Windows Messenger
Desktop Cleanup Wizard
Out of Box Experience
Save Dump Utility
Search Assistant
Security Center
Tour
AutoUpdate
Error Reporting
Imapi CD Burning
Messenger
Remote Registry
System Restore
Windows Firewall/Internet Connection Sharing (ICS)
Docs
Support
Valueadd

For starters...thats just removing...not tweaking.

[combustion8]

let me know if that improves anything. I just hate the fact I keep throwing money at this machine for ONE video game.

I'm doing the same but not just for VG, more for AoC... and I dont care what anyone says theres no one that runs this game smooth 24/7, I dont care what files they extract from the os image.

Like I said I have a top of the line system (finished it off yesterday with my lian li v cool case) and even though my fps is fine I still hitch like bastard.

[Evan]

I'm doing the same but not just for VG, more for AoC... and I dont care what anyone says theres no one that runs this game smooth 24/7, I dont care what files they extract from the os image.

Like I said I have a top of the line system (finished it off yesterday with my lian li v cool case) and even though my fps is fine I still hitch like bastard.




For $550 Bucks, with the intent to play Vanguard.

AMD 64 3200+
BIOSTAR nForce 4 Motherboard
VGA 7600GT
2 gigs G.SKILL DDR2 RAM.
+ Case, powersupply, etc.


Cost him around $550 bucks. And guess what? He plays Vanguard on above balanced settings with 25-30 FPS. It lags occasionally, but guess what? What you're looking at is, by almost all standards, a dated gaming rig that runs Vanguard fine.

Remember kids, would you try running Doom 3 on a Geforce 3 and expect good results?

Care to show me where I said it runs perfectly 24/7?

[combustion8]

Care to show me where I said it runs perfectly 24/7?

Quote wasnt directed to your personally, just to those that say they have no issues what-so-ever... I know for a fact they are lying.

[rhagz]

Removed Components:
For starters...thats just removing...not tweaking.

You know, most (if any) of those will have no impact on performance. Pinball? Yeah, maybe if you have 30 copies of it open at the same time you are playing VG.

[kildest]

I'm doing the same but not just for VG, more for AoC... and I dont care what anyone says theres no one that runs this game smooth 24/7, I dont care what files they extract from the os image.

Like I said I have a top of the line system (finished it off yesterday with my lian li v cool case) and even though my fps is fine I still hitch like bastard.

He didn't and can't "extract" many of the "files" he says he has. Half of them are services, the other half are written into the OS, removing them would break the image. And then the last two valueadd and whatever was above it are folders ON the installation disc, they don't get dropped onto your machine. The kid is making shit up.

[Branlin]

With that processor you CANT tell me he is getting 25-30. With that processor is getting 10 frames in cities and with groups.

I have the same processor and a way superior 8800GTS, when i overclock my proc by 300mhz it starts to get a little better but its far from 25-30 frames in crowded areas...

way to spill bullshit

Who's to say for sure.

My Specs:

AMD 4800+ FX Dual Core
GeForce 7800GT
2 gig Corsair dual channel ram
Evga motherboard.

The game runs smoothly for me outdoors and when grouped on High Quality with atmospheric bloom turned off and some tweaks from the guide.

Gets a bit hitchy in towns and quite hitchy in some cities until I've been in them a bit, so I just do the patience thing.


What frame rates do I get? I could care less. It runs smooth or it doesn't.

[combustion8]

Who's to say for sure.

My Specs:

AMD 4800+ FX Dual Core
GeForce 7800GT
2 gig Corsair dual channel ram
Evga motherboard.

The game runs smoothly for me outdoors and when grouped on High Quality with atmospheric bloom turned off and some tweaks from the guide.

Gets a bit hitchy in towns and quite hitchy in some cities until I've been in them a bit, so I just do the patience thing.


What frame rates do I get? I could care less. It runs smooth or it doesn't.

running "smooth" is subjective, some could think 15fps looks smooth to them... I can easily notice the difference from say 20fps to 40fps.

[Branlin]

running "smooth" is subjective, some could think 15fps looks smooth to them... I can easily notice the difference from say 20fps to 40fps.

Yeah... and?

[JesperX]

But it does prove that people that say you have to spend tons of money buying a new computer are lying through their teeth.

Not really. I mean, you don't have to spend 2k, no. You can spend 1k and run VG at decent settings. You can pay $800 and run it somewhat decent. The point isn't that you can't reach certain frame rates, the point is the accuracy of the frame rates being reported.

The aforementioned frame rates are NOT average rates for that system. Sure you can get 25-30 if you're standing still in the middle of nowhere. Do a full benchmark outdoors, indoors, no people, shittons of people, in town, etc. and see what the average is.

If you spend your money well, a more expensive system is going to stabilize those frame rates a good deal. That system will slow to a stuttery slideshow in towns.

[combustion8]

Yeah... and?

and.. I like popcorn?

[Aegorian]

barebones os? that's a first... and here I thought I was tech savy. :rolleyes:

Such a thing exists. It basically strips out all of the unnecessary processes and background software that is typically installed with windows. It's very efficient and does perform well, but i recommend being very tech saavy to use it. A lot of what it strips out a normal person may use in the course of their lives.

EDIT: i dont believe this is a MS product, but something that was created a few years ago by an enthusiast. I have definitely heard of it tho.

[kildest]

Such a thing exists. It basically strips out all of the unnecessary processes and background software that is typically installed with windows. It's very efficient and does perform well, but i recommend being very tech saavy to use it. A lot of what it strips out a normal person may use in the course of their lives.

But that's not an industry term. What you're describing is not what the OP described.

[Rourke]

OK..here is my specs on my POS PC i am using atm.

AMD 3200+
1 gig of crapass ram
x1950 pro

PC is a Compaq Presario (you can't much much worse, lol)

1st SS is me running in 3 Rivers, pretty good traffic in there, a known laggy area. This is set at High Performance.

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r40/Hellspawnz64/ScreenShot_00157.jpg

and this is at Balanced.

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r40/Hellspawnz64/ScreenShot_00156.jpg

I think that my system is as about as low as you really wanna go if you plan on raiding, or doing dungeons. On High Performance, i do well, but adding more Ram will help. Fortunatly, i can upgrade to Vista and 4 gigs too, with this store bought crapper.

[rhagz]

Can you do the same during the day.. you know, when you can see stuff? Also, what resolution is that?

[Rourke]

Such a thing exists. It basically strips out all of the unnecessary processes and background software that is typically installed with windows. It's very efficient and does perform well, but i recommend being very tech saavy to use it. A lot of what it strips out a normal person may use in the course of their lives.

EDIT: i dont believe this is a MS product, but something that was created a few years ago by an enthusiast. I have definitely heard of it tho.

It's called Tiny XP isnt it?

[Aegorian]

But that's not an industry term. What you're describing is not what the OP described.

barebones OS. no. not an industry term. But what i described is exactly what the OP described. It strips out unnecessary processes/programs from the windows installation to basically reduce the RAM usage to its most minimal level while still being able to run typical apps.

[Aegorian]

It's called Tiny XP isnt it?

could be. I heard of this a LONG time ago. I think you can do the same kind of thing manually with the program called nLite. The one i'm referring to, tho, does all of the upfront for you without any manual configuration.

[combustion8]

could be. I heard of this a LONG time ago. I think you can do the same kind of thing manually with the program called nLite. The one i'm referring to, tho, does all of the upfront for you without any manual configuration.

I've heard of striping out stuff but never heard it referred as "barebones os"... also couldnt you just turn them all off manually anyway after they are installed in your settings?

[kildest]

barebones OS. no. not an industry term. But what i described is exactly what the OP described. It strips out unnecessary processes/programs from the windows installation to basically reduce the RAM usage to its most minimal level while still being able to run typical apps.

well son of a bitch, I'm wrong.

http://www.digg.com/software/TinyXP_55Mb_WinXP_client

[Loopy]

The problem with this whole thing is his original claim was that his friend bought a particular system and it ran at the stated FPS. Now most people would take that to mean it ran that way with a typical install which wasn't the case.

The OS is heavily modified to get whatever performance he is getting which is not going to be what the average using will be doing. Most people use their computers for more than JUST gaming so coming here and stating he got so and so fps with his average build without stating that it was not a typical OS installation was a little misleading.

[Trystan365]

With that processor you CANT tell me he is getting 25-30. With that processor is getting 10 frames in cities and with groups.

I have the same processor and a way superior 8800GTS, when i overclock my proc by 300mhz it starts to get a little better but its far from 25-30 frames in crowded areas...

way to spill bullshit

Try optimising your machine...this one was running VG on a clean load. Makes a huge difference.

[Trystan365]

running "smooth" is subjective, some could think 15fps looks smooth to them... I can easily notice the difference from say 20fps to 40fps.

Barnyard cheer for you mate!

Do you notice the individual frames in a movie? No, you don't. Know what the frame rate of a movie in a theatre is? 24 FPS, no more. Maybe, just maybe, you can notice the tiniest bit from 20-24 FPS, but after that you, sir, are completely full of it.

The human eye cannot discern anything more that 24 FPS. It's called persistance of vision, and everyone has it. All you get out of it is the ability to aim better in an FPS, which this isn't.

[Trystan365]

The OS is heavily modified to get whatever performance he is getting which is not going to be what the average using will be doing. Most people use their computers for more than JUST gaming so coming here and stating he got so and so fps with his average build without stating that it was not a typical OS installation was a little misleading.

The average user is a booger-eating, beer swilling moron who uses their computer to look for porn, send email, and DL viruses. The "average user" thinks these kind of games are stupid. The "average user" is average.

If you fall into that catagory, I feel sorry for you.

[rhagz]

Barnyard cheer for you mate!

Do you notice the individual frames in a movie? No, you don't. Know what the frame rate of a movie in a theatre is? 24 FPS, no more. Maybe, just maybe, you can notice the tiniest bit from 20-24 FPS, but after that you, sir, are completely full of it.

The human eye cannot discern anything more that 24 FPS. All you get out of it is the ability to aim better in an FPS, which this isn't.


Terrible argument. Movies use motion blur, which causes each frame to sort of bleed into another. This is why you can't see individual frames. Current video game engines are not capable of rendering motion blur in real time.

[Rourke]

The average user is a booger-eating, beer swilling moron who uses their computer to look for porn, send email, and DL viruses. The "average user" thinks these kind of games are stupid. The "average user" is average.

If you fall into that catagory, I feel sorry for you.

Wait...are you actually serious? Did you really just make an elitest nerd statement like that? The "average" user? My wife used to HATE MMO's, hell....so did I for a long time.

I used to associate Evercrack players with the Cellar-Dweller sterotype, or the D&D roleplayer, that hangs out at Medieval Fairs with foams sword and tin foil hats pretending they know how to fight. That you?

[ikaoma420]

Terrible argument. Movies use motion blur, which causes each frame to sort of bleed into another. This is why you can't see individual frames. Current video game engines are not capable of rendering motion blur in real time.

Someone in every game forum post that drivel. Here is a great article discussing the difference between frames per second in a movie and in a game

http://amo.net/NT/02-21-01FPS.html

[rhagz]

Someone in every game forum post that drivel. Here is a great article discussing the difference between frames per second in a movie and in a game

http://amo.net/NT/02-21-01FPS.html

Exactly. I'll trust a USAF study that shows people can detect 220fps over some forum warriors assessment, thank you very much.

Now, do you need 220 fps? No.. but I need more than 12!

[Evan]

Oh crap, he told me to hush. I guess I'm done.

Thanks.



:D

[Aginor]

I used to associate Evercrack players with the Cellar-Dweller sterotype, or the D&D roleplayer, that hangs out at Medieval Fairs with foams sword and tin foil hats pretending they know how to fight. That you?

So mean =(

[Trystan365]

Terrible argument. Movies use motion blur, which causes each frame to sort of bleed into another. This is why you can't see individual frames. Current video game engines are not capable of rendering motion blur in real time.
BUZZ! That motion blur is persistence of vision and blurring of the actual frame. Motion blur is able to be done, but it is frightfully GPU intensive.

[Aginor]

BUZZ! That motion blur is persistence of vision and blurring of the actual frame. Motion blur is able to be done, but it is frightfully GPU intensive.

Motion blur is useless when it comes to rendering.


When did it become doable btw? I havent followed up in oh so many years.

It is still useless for pc's.

[Trystan365]

Exactly. I'll trust a USAF study that shows people can detect 220fps over some forum warriors assessment, thank you very much.

Now, do you need 220 fps? No.. but I need more than 12!

Ok, I sit corrected. Thanks for the info. The problem is that your monitor can't do it. What's the refresh of your monitor? 70Hz, 85 Hz, 100Hz? Thats how many draws of the monitor you can render. I use an LCD monitor, so anything over 60 FPS is a waste as my monitor is 60Hz.

And you WANT more than 12, you don't NEED it.

[Trystan365]

Motion blur is useless when it comes to rendering.


When did it become doable btw? I havent followed up in oh so many years.

It is still useless for pc's.
Check the ATI and Nvidia sites. The DX10 cards are capable of it.

[Aginor]

Ok, I sit corrected. Thanks for the info. The problem is that your monitor can't do it. What's the refresh of your monitor? 70Hz, 85 Hz, 100Hz? Thats how many draws of the monitor you can render. I use an LCD monitor, so anything over 60 FPS is a waste as my monitor is 60Hz.

And you WANT more than 12, you don't NEED it.


Actually, FPS = 60Hz/2 :)

Oh regarding DX10, i wouldnt say for sure, but my guess is, not the same kind as in movies e.g. :)

[rhagz]

And you WANT more than 12, you don't NEED it.

No, I need it. Vanguard causes me to suffer from massive headaches due to its performance. Not figuratively either, literally. No other game or computer use has done so until Vanguard.

[displeasingreality]

No, I need it. Vanguard causes me to suffer from massive headaches due to its performance. Not figuratively either, literally. No other game or computer use has done so until Vanguard.

I posted a thread regarding this and got a lot of responses rhagz - low fps and flickering screen do cause headaches and eye aches. Mine only stopped once I fully upgraded my comp, but still occur when grouped or in a busy area.

Lots of people out there probably being affected. It is a concern.

[SaigoKusunoki]

Evan...you seem to find cesspools of idiocy wherever you go...after this, you cant say shit to me about L:EB =P

Yeah, Im the OP's friend. Its my PC that's being discussed. He's 100% right. The stripped XP, my framerate, everything.

Actually, I have multiple witnesses on this one...for my birthday LAN party (where I got the PC) I ran VG and GuildWars at the same time, mostly playing GuildWars because I was PVPing with everyone else in the room. No lag on either side, and the FPS in VG stayed at a constant 18-20.

Newegg ftw. 600 bucks.

[combustion8]

No lag on either side, and the FPS in VG stayed at a constant 18-20.


Too bad theres no such thing as "constant" fps in VG.... there's no way you get 18-20 ungrouped alone in the wild and then get the same fps grouped with 5 others a dungeon... just isnt possible.

[SaigoKusunoki]

Sucks for you cause I did.

And by constant Im not talking about 100% of my logged in time being 20 FPS. I have FPS lag spikes. When I first log in I have about 8 FPS for about 20 seconds. Then it loads, and everything mentioned previously is true.

Ill screenshot it. Hows that?

[SaigoKusunoki]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a91/SaigoKusunoki/ScreenShot_00010.jpg

Me first logging in.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a91/SaigoKusunoki/ScreenShot_00011.jpg

Anyone can SS while standing around, so here's a little fighting.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a91/SaigoKusunoki/ScreenShot_00013.jpg

Mounted jumping ftw.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a91/SaigoKusunoki/ScreenShot_00014.jpg

Entering Themnwar's Shield.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a91/SaigoKusunoki/ScreenShot_00015.jpg

Still in Themnwar's Shield, picking up quests.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a91/SaigoKusunoki/ScreenShot_00016.jpg

Part 1 of 3: What my game is set to.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a91/SaigoKusunoki/ScreenShot_00017.jpg

Part 2 of 3

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a91/SaigoKusunoki/ScreenShot_00018.jpg

Part 3 of 3


In every pic the FPS is shown. There isnt a single screenshot where Im sitting around fapping.

You can run this game off a cheap machine. Trust me.

[rhagz]

I don't see your FPS in those shots at all. Network FPS isn't it.

[elektra]

I don't see your FPS in those shots at all. Network FPS isn't it.

Agreed. That isn't FPS , it's network FPS, an entirely different thing.

I believe CTRL-P will show your FPS tho. However , as this entire thread concerns your framerates, Saigo, its a bit embarrassing to say the least.

[SaigoKusunoki]

lol you've got to be shitting me.

Alright Master of Technicality. Telling me that just made the numbers bigger. Thanks for proving my point further.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a91/SaigoKusunoki/ScreenShot_00027.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a91/SaigoKusunoki/ScreenShot_00028.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a91/SaigoKusunoki/ScreenShot_00029.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a91/SaigoKusunoki/ScreenShot_00030.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a91/SaigoKusunoki/ScreenShot_00031.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a91/SaigoKusunoki/ScreenShot_00032.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a91/SaigoKusunoki/ScreenShot_00034.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a91/SaigoKusunoki/ScreenShot_00035.jpg

[SaigoKusunoki]

Agreed. That isn't FPS , it's network FPS, an entirely different thing.

I believe CTRL-P will show your FPS tho. However , as this entire thread concerns your framerates, Saigo, its a bit embarrassing to say the least.


Yeah its also pretty sad how 10 pages of flame turned out over...my framerate. Some people's epeens must be hurting or something, to waste time arguing over the framerate of someone who probably doesnt even live in the same state as you.

I just kinda showed up to end the arguing and flaming and such. First page, someone said ""SS or it didnt happen." Thats what Im here for.

[elektra]

lol you've got to be shitting me.

Alright Master of Technicality. Telling me that just made the numbers bigger. Thanks for proving my point further.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a91/SaigoKusunoki/ScreenShot_00027.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a91/SaigoKusunoki/ScreenShot_00028.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a91/SaigoKusunoki/ScreenShot_00029.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a91/SaigoKusunoki/ScreenShot_00030.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a91/SaigoKusunoki/ScreenShot_00031.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a91/SaigoKusunoki/ScreenShot_00032.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a91/SaigoKusunoki/ScreenShot_00034.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a91/SaigoKusunoki/ScreenShot_00035.jpg

Nope. It didn't make the numbers bigger, the ones you were showing were NOT FPS. Use the CTRL-P and then post screenies inside dungeons, large cities etc.

On some of those you just posted you are getting 13 FPS , hardly the 25-30 FPS you were claiming in ALL areas.

The only reason there was so much flaming in this thread, is because performance is key in this game. People on high end systems, in groups inside dungeons are getting really low framerates.

You are right though, it hardly matters, unless you are the one with low framerates :)

[Trystan365]

Wait...are you actually serious? Did you really just make an elitest nerd statement like that? The "average" user? My wife used to HATE MMO's, hell....so did I for a long time.

You got better. :D

I used to associate Evercrack players with the Cellar-Dweller sterotype, or the D&D roleplayer, that hangs out at Medieval Fairs with foams sword and tin foil hats pretending they know how to fight. That you?

Did I live in a cellar? Nope
Did I play D&D? Yep, sure did.
Have I attended a mideval fair? Sure, it's the one place I can get scotch eggs...yum.
Foam swords and Tin Foils hats? Nope, but I do know how to properly use a sword, polearm, shield and I can make my own armor (including chainmail of various types, simple (very) plate, and leather). I'm was one of those freaky mideval recreationist types...Vivat Trimaris!

Basically my tirade was about the average person. You are not average. There's a compliment in there somewhere...say Thank you. The average computer user is NOT someone who will put in the time to get any decently advanced computer game working. The average user breaks their CD tray and complains about their cup holder being broken. That you?

[Trystan365]

No, I need it. Vanguard causes me to suffer from massive headaches due to its performance. Not figuratively either, literally. No other game or computer use has done so until Vanguard.

Set your CRT refresh at higher than 72Hz...I used to get the same thing. 85 or higher is even better.

[Trystan365]

Actually, FPS = 60Hz/2 :)

Oh regarding DX10, i wouldnt say for sure, but my guess is, not the same kind as in movies e.g. :)

Frame rate, or frame frequency, is the measurement of how quickly an imaging device produces unique consecutive images called frames. The term applies equally well to computer graphics, video cameras, film cameras, and motion capture systems. Frame rate is most often expressed in frames per second, or simply hertz (Hz)

60 FPS is the maximum for a 60Hz refresh rate.

[rhagz]

Set your CRT refresh at higher than 72Hz...I used to get the same thing. 85 or higher is even better.


Except that my old CRT monitor only went up to 60 Hz, of course that doesn't matter because VG FPS wasn't even close to that. I also don't get this issue in any other game except Vanguard, regardless of FPS. I think it's a combination of the FPS, the stuttering, the hitching and the choppiness.. plus all the objects that constantly pop in and out of view.

[Trystan365]

Your picks do prove VG is a lonely place.

And your comment proves you are a bitter little boy.

[Trystan365]

Except that my old CRT monitor only went up to 60 Hz, of course that doesn't matter because VG FPS wasn't even close to that. I also don't get this issue in any other game except Vanguard, regardless of FPS. I think it's a combination of the FPS, the stuttering, the hitching and the choppiness.. plus all the objects that constantly pop in and out of view.
The headaches come from eyestrain caused by your monitor, not by VG. VG has nothing to do with the headaches. You might also want to get checked for glasses or have your prescription updated. The computer still draws the screen at 60Hz, regardless of framerate.

[rhagz]

The headaches come from eyestrain caused by your monitor, not by VG. VG has nothing to do with the headaches. You might also want to get checked for glasses or have your prescription updated. The computer still draws the screen at 60Hz, regardless of framerate.

Are you that daft? I just told you that no other game or computer use ever causes the issues. I can play WoW or LotRO beta for 6 hours and have no symptons whatsoever. Every single time I played Vanguard for more than an hour, I got them. I don't need glasses, I need to stop playing VG.. which I have now.

[SaigoKusunoki]

LOL.

Okay...so with the lowest FPS shown being 15.7...that makes my FPS definitely "as low as 13".

And the whole...Current FPS and Average FPS after pressing Ctrl-P.....thats DEFINITELY not FPS.

And if you were paying attention I never said I ran 25-30 constantly. I said 18-20 with spots of FPS lag. The fact that in the second set of pics, the highest shown FPS is 31 just proves my point even more.

[combustion8]

Since the last patch I'm getting no less than 25fps thats in city/dungeons.. 75fps+ outside of cities this is at 1600x1200.

x-fi FTW!!

[Nightshades]

You got better. :D



Did I live in a cellar? Nope
Did I play D&D? Yep, sure did.
Have I attended a mideval fair? Sure, it's the one place I can get scotch eggs...yum.
Foam swords and Tin Foils hats? Nope, but I do know how to properly use a sword, polearm, shield and I can make my own armor (including chainmail of various types, simple (very) plate, and leather). I'm was one of those freaky mideval recreationist types...Vivat Trimaris!

Basically my tirade was about the average person. You are not average. There's a compliment in there somewhere...say Thank you. The average computer user is NOT someone who will put in the time to get any decently advanced computer game working. The average user breaks their CD tray and complains about their cup holder being broken. That you?


I happen to have some very good recipes for scotch eggs. I'll PM you.