Race Pictures

[ToxicWire]

I was just wondering when pictures of the other races will be added to the races section of the site?

[Skarlath]

I was just wondering when pictures of the other races will be added to the races section of the site?

Currently we don't have much to go on. Screenshots so far have shown:

Human (Thestran and what I believe is Qalian Mordebi), Raki, Dark Elf, High Elf, we have seen one of a Vulmane, perhaps some halfgiant ones. I may have left some out. Ooh, halflings and gnomes too.

However there is a video somewhere (Which I believe is Silky Venom's) that shows most of the races briefly.

Apart from that, as a community we haven't seen other pictures of the races. When we do, you can be sure Silky Venom will form some sort of collection of them.

Until then - keep your eyes peeled when screenshots are distributed to the fansites. Though they are currently showing some of the Devs playing particular encounters, you never know what might be thrown to us in the near future! :)

[Feyshtey]

I was just wondering when pictures of the other races will be added to the races section of the site?

If you haven't already, I'd recommend checking out this video compiled by Nolaquen during E3.

http://media.silkyvenom.com/video/e3_races.wmv

It shows every race that we're aware of.

[Darydale]

except half elves I think!

[Skarlath]

except half elves I think!

You're right, I didn't see them in the video. I didn't even realise they were an announced race! I had to check in the FAQ!

Tsk. I thought Vanguard's elves had better standards. ;)

[Therian]

We've added what pictures we can to the Wiki (http://wiki.silkyvenom.com/index.php/Category:Vanguard_Races) as well.

[Orlun]

I'd like to know when too. ;-)

[Xhar Moondi]

I can't remember, but the Raki will be getting tails right?

[Therian]

All races that need tails will get tails, iirc.

Damn, I so hope that Kojan culture includes a game of Pin the Tail on the Raki.

[Kalyper]

I wonder if Raki can be monks. They are on Kojan afterall. Doesn't mean they can, but you never know if they have practiced the arts at some time. Or maybe the Humans taught them.

[Eclipse]

Race shouldn't depict whether you can be a monk or not, lol
If you can live in a temple, high in the mountains and swear off sex for years at a time...you can be a monk! :) Yah, I think Raki will be allowed monks.
And I saw somewhere that raki would have sexy, bushy tails...:D I'm gonna be a ladies fox! ;)
:cool:

-Eclipse

[Skarlath]

Im quite excited about finding out the race class combinations for the Raki, Kurashasa and Vulmane - Sigil could go pretty much anywhere with all three, so it will be interesting to see how they picture their own races.

[Therian]

Given how the lore descriptions claim both Vulmane and Kurashasa are such excellent trackers and hunters, there's one class that's a fairly safe bet...

[Kalyper]

I wonder if there will be a race that is pure evil, like the Iksar. That was my favorite race to play. They had such great lore to back up how powerful they once were, and how they were the most evil race of Norrath. Then they could also be monks! I was in heaven :) or should I say hell :twisted:

[Orlun]

I wonder if there will be a race that is pure evil, like the Iksar. That was my favorite race to play. They had such great lore to back up how powerful they once were, and how they were the most evil race of Norrath. Then they could also be monks! I was in heaven :) or should I say hell :twisted:

My money would be on the Dark Elevs, Goblins and Orcs being the evil races in Vanguard.

[Feyshtey]

My money would be on the Dark Elevs, Goblins and Orcs being the evil races in Vanguard.

Dark Elves have been described as arrogant, and perhaps brutal. But they do not see themselves as evil. Rather, they believe themselves to be the rightful rulers, being so obviously superior, but they don't have the means to enforce that will.... yet.

[Foxeye]

Since the one half elf picture we've gotten isn't in the wiki, I'm guessing not everyone remembers it (from E3 on the german site):

http://gallery.onlinewelten.com/album/displayimage.php?album=213&pos=23

[Skarlath]

Dark Elves have been described as arrogant, and perhaps brutal. But they do not see themselves as evil. Rather, they believe themselves to be the rightful rulers, being so obviously superior, but they don't have the means to enforce that will.... yet.

How do you define evil other than:

Feels they are superior to all others, and treat all others with brutal contempt. Act for personal gain amongst themselves, helping others only when it furthers their own domination.


Really if you want an evil race, you must have them entirely against a 'good' race, as it is far easier to mark someone out as good. If a race is at war with a 'good' race then surely they must be evil?

But as far as we know, there are no inter-racial wars between the playable races. You could use this as evidence for dark elves not really being 'evil', but equally you could still claim that their behaviour is fairly evil, in terms of being contradictory to classic 'good' behaviour.

But whilst looking at poor behaviour, look at the vulmane! They used to be at war with the elves, and would raid the farms, towns and hamlets for food. Thats pretty evil. If they live up to their savage and tribal history whilst in game, then the Vulmane could easily be the evil race you are looking for.

Orcs and goblins are just without morals (at least that's how I picture them). However their ruthlessness in Telon may also warrant them being considered evil.

:)

[Kalyper]

What I mean is "pure evil", if that means anything or not. The Iksar were pure evil. Their whole purpose was to drive fear into others, since that is what Cazic-Thule wanted them to do. They would slaughter and enslave the other races of Kunark, until the dragons got involved and turned the tides. The description of the DE's in Vanguard so far don't sound like they are pure evil to me. But I could be wrong.

Also, EQ1 Ogres were pure evil before they were cursed and made dumb.

[Feyshtey]

How do you define evil other than:

Feels they are superior to all others, and treat all others with brutal contempt. Act for personal gain amongst themselves, helping others only when it furthers their own domination.


Really if you want an evil race, you must have them entirely against a 'good' race, as it is far easier to mark someone out as good. If a race is at war with a 'good' race then surely they must be evil?

But as far as we know, there are no inter-racial wars between the playable races. You could use this as evidence for dark elves not really being 'evil', but equally you could still claim that their behaviour is fairly evil, in terms of being contradictory to classic 'good' behaviour.

But whilst looking at poor behaviour, look at the vulmane! They used to be at war with the elves, and would raid the farms, towns and hamlets for food. Thats pretty evil. If they live up to their savage and tribal history whilst in game, then the Vulmane could easily be the evil race you are looking for.

Orcs and goblins are just without morals (at least that's how I picture them). However their ruthlessness in Telon may also warrant them being considered evil.

:)

The most evil person could believe himself to be a saviour. It's all a matter of perspective.

It sounds as though the playable races in Vanguard are in a state of peace through necessity. They might not particlurly like each other (especially in the case of the Vulmane and Thestran Elves), but they tolerate each other's presence out of mutual need.

Lacking outright hostility, the races tolerate each other, to a greater or lesser degree.

[Fynn]

How do you define evil other than:

Feels they are superior to all others, and treat all others with brutal contempt. Act for personal gain amongst themselves, helping others only when it furthers their own domination.


Really if you want an evil race, you must have them entirely against a 'good' race, as it is far easier to mark someone out as good. If a race is at war with a 'good' race then surely they must be evil?

But as far as we know, there are no inter-racial wars between the playable races. You could use this as evidence for dark elves not really being 'evil', but equally you could still claim that their behaviour is fairly evil, in terms of being contradictory to classic 'good' behaviour.

But whilst looking at poor behaviour, look at the vulmane! They used to be at war with the elves, and would raid the farms, towns and hamlets for food. Thats pretty evil. If they live up to their savage and tribal history whilst in game, then the Vulmane could easily be the evil race you are looking for.

Orcs and goblins are just without morals (at least that's how I picture them). However their ruthlessness in Telon may also warrant them being considered evil.

:)

Got me thinking about the classic alignment thing (Lawful/Neutral/Chaotic). I usually think of Dark Elves/Drow as Lawful Evil, non-humanoid mobs as neutral (for no reason), and the host of goblins, orcs, etc. as chaotic. Throw some lore in there and any of them could be any alignment of course.

Where would you all put the races in the classic alignment/goodness chart?

[Skarlath]

Got me thinking about the classic alignment thing (Lawful/Neutral/Chaotic). I usually think of Dark Elves/Drow as Lawful Evil, non-humanoid mobs as neutral (for no reason), and the host of goblins, orcs, etc. as chaotic. Throw some lore in there and any of them could be any alignment of course.

Where would you all put the races in the classic alignment/goodness chart?

As people have pointed out, the goodness/evil concept goes out the window when you try to see things from everyone's persepective. However you can judge races fairly well on the chart in terms of how they are seen by humans - most of us being humans this is a sensible strategy.

So yes, Dark Elves would be lawful, evil. They oppose what man has formed as its society, but at the same time have their own well-formed society.

I would agree that orcs and goblins would normally be Evil/Chaotic. They again go against man's principles (in most literature) and hold no sturdy heirachical system - An orc will kill another to take what it has, for example. Any 'leader' is only so because it will kill those who disobey. However the orcs could gang up and kill the leader if they wanted to. There are no rules among orcs.

However, as you said - lore makes all the difference. Telon could be home to chess-playing cave trolls, with a little bit of justifying lore.

In Telon, the races aren't at war. We can assume that orcs and goblins have their own towns and leaders and such (else they probably wouldn't work as a playable race). If they have such a social structure, then they are hardly chaotic. They perhaps aren't particularly lawful (they may well raid human farms and such, for food) and so would fall in between.

Will be interesting to see how Vanguard pitches these races. :)

[Raptorbite]

All races that need tails will get tails, iirc.

Damn, I so hope that Kojan culture includes a game of Pin the Tail on the Raki.
Whats iirc mean?

[Therian]

If I Recall Correctly

[Razorwire]

What I mean is "pure evil", if that means anything or not. The Iksar were pure evil. Their whole purpose was to drive fear into others, since that is what Cazic-Thule wanted them to do. They would slaughter and enslave the other races of Kunark, until the dragons got involved and turned the tides. The description of the DE's in Vanguard so far don't sound like they are pure evil to me. But I could be wrong.

Also, EQ1 Ogres were pure evil before they were cursed and made dumb.


sorry mate, but the Ogres were the ultimate force of good. They went around killing things to ensure only the strong would survive. I will spill your blood to make you a better man!

errr... note the smilies ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

[Skarlath]

No no no, that was giants. Giants love the good guys!