LOTRO opened today, Silkyboys...feeling lonely yet?

[Vanboy4Life]

Damn, don'tcha just hate when a new MMO grabs 1 mil subs compared to your precious VG's 100k? LOL. Oh well..at least you have each other, sitting in your pink silky underoos late late at night and whispering naughties to each other on TS.

Have to concentrate *echo* concentrate..concentrate

Hello? *echo* hello..hello..hello..hello

Echo! *echo* echo..echo..echo...echo...


*crickets*

[Ishtavin]

Damn, don'tcha just hate when a new MMO grabs 1 mil subs compared to your precious VG's 100k? LOL. Oh well..at least you have each other, sitting in your pink silky underoos late late at night and whispering naughties to each other on TS.

Have to concentrate *echo* concentrate..concentrate

Hello? *echo* hello..hello..hello..hello

Echo! *echo* echo..echo..echo...echo...


*crickets*


Lotro sux, the 1 million subs will be gone in a month.

[Euphoria]

waste of thread space. I declare this topic useless.

[jonyak]

Waste of breatheing space. I declare the op useless.:p

[Honor Woods]

Lotro sux, the 1 million subs will be gone in a month.

Nah, 3 months. One free, one to give it a chance and one more because they accidently got billed after canceling

[rhagz]

Nah, 3 months. One free, one to give it a chance and one more because they accidently got billed after canceling

He said LotRO, not Vanguard. :twisted:

[Honor Woods]

He said LotRO, not Vanguard. :twisted:

It is a pattern for many MMOs. Be nice. :)

Or I'll tell people you play the new Barbie Pretty Pony MMO in the closed beta. :D

[rhagz]

It is a pattern for many MMOs. Be nice. :)

Or I'll tell people you play the new Barbie Pretty Pony MMO in the closed beta. :D

I'd beta it if there were one. And I wouldn't care who knew.

I'd prefer My Little Pony over Barbie Pretty Pony though.

[Honor Woods]

I'd beta it if there were one. And I wouldn't care who knew.

I'd prefer My Little Pony over Barbie Pretty Pony though.

You just want a glittery ribbon in your tail. :D

[Pennilenko]

LOTR brings new meaning to "homogenized" for the MMO genre. That is all.


P.S. Honor, in another post, you would be assuming to much. LOL

[Joodah]

Damn, don'tcha just hate when a new MMO grabs 1 mil subs compared to your precious VG's 100k? LOL. Oh well..at least you have each other, sitting in your pink silky underoos late late at night and whispering naughties to each other on TS.

Have to concentrate *echo* concentrate..concentrate

Hello? *echo* hello..hello..hello..hello

Echo! *echo* echo..echo..echo...echo...


*crickets*

yeh love the tiny world, the moronic quests, and the 3 races you can pick from. :rolleyes: Another crappy IP game with a limited life span from a company notorious for screwing things up with mmo's. 1 million subs, hahahaha... have fun pretending your Bilbo Baggins kid. That game is @ss :pirate:

[Ishtavin]

yeh love the tiny world, the moronic quests, and the 3 races you can pick from. :rolleyes: Another crappy IP game with a limited life span from a company notorious for screwing things up with mmo's. 1 million subs, hahahaha... have fun pretending your Bilbo Baggins kid. That game is @ss :pirate:

His name is Dildo Faggins and he likes to play hobbits cause they are just teh right size for a Human male!

[Venzule]

yeh love the tiny world, the moronic quests, and the 3 races you can pick from. :rolleyes: Another crappy IP game with a limited life span from a company notorious for screwing things up with mmo's. 1 million subs, hahahaha... have fun pretending your Bilbo Baggins kid. That game is @ss :pirate:

It’s a fantasy game like all MMO's....


Who are you pretending you are?? and upright walking dog that can talk? Or variations of one?

A little rat creature?
A giant?

We all pretend in these games.



To address the Quest portion of the game, LOTRO is superior in the quest department. It has a nice progression that keeps flowing as you level and never ends. Name 1 quest in Vanguard that does that??

[Ishtavin]

It’s a fantasy game like all MMO's....


Who are you pretending you are?? and upright walking dog that can talk? Or variations of one?

A little rat creature?
A giant?

We all pretend in these games.



To address the Quest portion of the game, LOTRO is superior in the quest department. It has a nice progression that keeps flowing as you level and never ends. Name 1 quest in Vanguard that does that??

Except its the same quest for everyone, and its short, its like a MMO on rails...I played Lotro to level 30 with 2 chars in beta, it wasnt very fun, it looked "ok" but it got boring past level 20...VG still entertains me.

[Venzule]

Except its the same quest for everyone, and its short, its like a MMO on rails...I played Lotro to level 30 with 2 chars in beta, it wasnt very fun, it looked "ok" but it got boring past level 20...VG still entertains me.

I agree, it does have a training wheel feel to it, and Vanguard has alot of freedom. Not for long though with the port stones on altars. The world will shrink.


But think of it this way, people are giving Vanguard alot of time to fix their game, if the same happens to LOTRO it can and will shape up to be a better MMO in the end.... and its so damn pretty.... :)

[Ishtavin]

I agree, it does have a training wheel feel to it, and Vanguard has alot of freedom. Not for long though with the port stones on altars. The world will shrink.


But think of it this way, people are giving Vanguard alot of time to fix their game, if the same happens to LOTRO it can and will shape up to be a better MMO in the end.... and its so damn pretty.... :)

LOTRO is the kiddie pool, its core design has alot of stuff i dont like, i like more options, i see potential in VG as long as the holes are filled and the water is pumped out so teh boat dosent sink, it will be a sturdy ship in a year.

[rhagz]

I would be willing to bet my house that Vanguard will never have more subs than LotRO.

[Honor Woods]

I would be willing to bet my house that Vanguard will never have more subs than LotRO.

You're on! I'll wager a doughnut to your house! :)

[Branlin]

Bilbo
Frodo
Gandalf






I rest my case.

[ShadeVice]

This may have been a good thread if LOTRO wasn't in the title.

When a game offers such a cheap lifetime membership...that should alarm you. But then again america is 90% idiots and 10% people who have common sense.

LOTRO has no depth. if WAR or AOC was in your title then this thread might have been funny.

[Vryce]

I would be willing to bet my house that Vanguard will never have more subs than LotRO.

I'll also bet you that Vanguard the Novel(s) won't sell nearly as many copies as LOTR the Novel(s)!

Oh...and I also bet that the movie made about Vanguard won't sell nearly as many tickets as the movie made about LOTR!

[Venzule]

This may have been a good thread if LOTRO wasn't in the title.

When a game offers such a cheap lifetime membership...that should alarm you. But then again america is 90% idiots and 10% people who have common sense.

LOTRO has no depth. if WAR or AOC was in your title then this thread might have been funny.

Yeah, Prepay for a 2 year membership is just stupid... stupid stupid stupid... how dumb can you possibly get...

Ummm.... yeah... stupid....


:rolleyes:

[Branamar]

The only thing that worries me is the expansion of the content.

They are supposed to be progressing the storyline until RotK. But what the hell are they going to do after that? Thats supposed to take a year and a half or so. Thats still a game in its infancy.

People are giving Vangaurd shit for not being the end all be all after 3 months. Its starting to become a worse game in my opinion (I only speak for myself) but it still has more potential than a game that is linear in content.

Its like playing an MMO about the titanic, the ****ing boat sinks at the end.

[Vanboy4Life]

Just got here..any Silkyboys venture out of their safe pink PvE land yet? Damn it's hard fighting NPC pixels in pink frillies, eh Silktards?

[Joodah]

Just got here..any Silkyboys venture out of their safe pink PvE land yet? Damn it's hard fighting NPC pixels in pink frillies, eh Silktards?

*points at your mouth* you still have a little drool there, probably from your last "customer", ahem.

[MagicNumbers]

*points at your mouth* you still have a little drool there, probably from your last "customer", ahem.

Haha! I bet he does suck dick.

[Honor Woods]

*points at your mouth* you still have a little drool there, probably from your last "customer", ahem.

Nah... he has to pay to be able to suck dick. That's how pathetic he is. A whore who has to pay the Johns...

[Vanboy4Life]

Damn, you Silkyboys sure do focus on gay sex, don't you?

[Honor Woods]

Damn, you Silkyboys sure do focus on gay sex, don't you?

Well, anyone that calls people silkyboys and has the name "Vanboy" has little room to talk. We all know the only reason you post the sideways insults is because you couldn't get into the SV guild. They require males to actually have balls before they'll accept your application.

:)

PS: Not a "silkyboy" I'm a Vandanista. :)

[Venzule]

Damn, you Silkyboys sure do focus on gay sex, don't you?

While their talk includes a lot of gay retort, your forum name is quite tippy toe fairy like name. Vanboy?? Sounds like your begging for bubba to bang you in the ass.


Also, you know you get a hard on every time Honor says anything dirty...

[MagicNumbers]

Nah... he has to pay to be able to suck dick. That's how pathetic he is. A whore who has to pay the Johns...

Haha

[Joodah]

Damn, you Silkyboys sure do focus on gay sex, don't you?

you shore gots a purty mouf.

[rhagz]

Here is something everyone at home needs to try.

Say outloud: "Brad got beat by Turbine".

See if you don't die laughing.. or crying.

[Ishtavin]

Here is something everyone at home needs to try.

Say outloud: "Brad got beat by Turbine".

See if you don't die laughing.. or crying.

It is a funny joke, cause LOTRO still sucks ass, VG is easily 10x better than that POS.

[Joodah]

It is a funny joke, cause LOTRO still sucks ass, VG is easily 10x better than that POS.

yup. Sorry rhagz, numbers don't mean jack shit. How many times do I need to say it's not a race before you get it? There's nothing to "beat". Not WoW, not My Pretty Pony, and not a narrow-focused IP game for fans like LoTR. ANY movie related property will "win" if those are your standards.

[Gaige]

It is a funny joke, cause LOTRO still sucks ass, VG is easily 10x better than that POS.

Money talks, the MMO industry is a business afterall.

Vanguard cost more to make and is generating less revenue than the aforementioned POS.

So if a POS is better than Vanguard, what does that make Vanguard...

[Joodah]

Money talks, the MMO industry is a business afterall.

Vanguard cost more to make and is generating less revenue than the aforementioned POS.

So if a POS is better than Vanguard, what does that make Vanguard...


Gamers who play a game for fun and are enjoying what they are playing could really care less about the money involved, sorry. We don't care of a crappy game like lotr is in the black with it's budget, or generates more revenue. It has no bearing on which game people feel is a "better" game.

[rhagz]

Gamers who play a game for fun and are enjoying what they are playing could really care less about the money involved, sorry.

Well, I'm gonna be serious for a moment, may the Volcano gods forgive me, but you should care.

No, you probably shouldn't care about how much they spend on coffee or stationary, but you should care about the overall health of the game. Unless you would just be content to have them announce one day 'sorry, we can't turn a profit so we have to shut down.. thanks for playing!'?

I would imagine most people would be a bit miffed if that occured.

So you probably should have a little concern and understanding of the larger picture and realize that these games cost a lot of money, and if they don't make a lot of money back.. then they don't stay operating.. or they go on life support, have like 1 dev there to fix typos in the quest journal every few weeks and that's it.

Now back to your regularly scheduled flaming.

[Joodah]

Well, I'm gonna be serious for a moment, may the Volcano gods forgive me, but you should care.

No, you probably shouldn't care about how much they spend on coffee or stationary, but you should care about the overall health of the game. Unless you would just be content to have them announce one day 'sorry, we can't turn a profit so we have to shut down.. thanks for playing!'?

I would imagine most people would be a bit miffed if that occured.

So you probably should have a little concern and understanding of the larger picture and realize that these games cost a lot of money, and if they don't make a lot of money back.. then they don't stay operating.. or they go on life support, have like 1 dev there to fix typos in the quest journal every few weeks and that's it.

Now back to your regularly scheduled flaming.

i understand that. We want the game continue, people to get paid, new stuff to go in - because they have the money to do so. The problem I have here is people making sweeping statements saying one game "wins" or is "better" than another because one generates more revenue or is critically acclaimed than the other. Of course LoTR is going to pull in more money and fans (in the short term at least - we'll see if it has "legs"), that's a no-brainer.

[Ishtavin]

i understand that. We want the game continue, people to get paid, new stuff to go in - because they have the money to do so. The problem I have here is people making sweeping statements saying one game "wins" or is "better" than another because one generates more revenue or is critically acclaimed than the other. Of course LoTR is going to pull in more money and fans (in the short term at least - we'll see if it has "legs"), that's a no-brainer.

Ive played both and Lotro was fun for all of 3 weeks, its awesome for a New MMO gamer, or young people not looking for depth, but for anyone who has played mmos or likes something with just a LITTLE depth...it just dosent deliver, VG has MANY MANY issues, but they are being fixed, and in the long run VG will probably wind up doing better. Turbine has a known track record for MMO's i dont see this one being different.

[rhagz]

Ive played both and Lotro was fun for all of 3 weeks, its awesome for a New MMO gamer, or young people not looking for depth, but for anyone who has played mmos or likes something with just a LITTLE depth...it just dosent deliver, VG has MANY MANY issues, but they are being fixed, and in the long run VG will probably wind up doing better. Turbine has a known track record for MMO's i dont see this one being different.

ANYONE?

You sure about that? From what I am seeing, even some of the most critical hardasses are giving LotRO rave reviews. Huge thread over at FOH full of 'hardcore' people and whatever else you want to call them who are loving the game.

Turbine has a track record.. so does anyone that has released more than 1.

AC1 is still going strong. It's widely considered to have the single best live content update schedule in history. AC2 flopped, oh well. Shit happens. DDO was mediocre. It's actually a good game for what it is.. it's just not a mass appeal game. It's guild wars, in a crappy setting that was forced on them by WotC.

And now you have LotRO.

Trust me, I used to hate Turbine as much as anyone after the disappointment of DDO.. but give credit where it is due. LotRO is doing exceedingly well and they really got their shit together this time around.

[Ishtavin]

ANYONE?

You sure about that? From what I am seeing, even some of the most critical hardasses are giving LotRO rave reviews. Huge thread over at FOH full of 'hardcore' people and whatever else you want to call them who are loving the game.

Turbine has a track record.. so does anyone that has released more than 1.

AC1 is still going strong. It's widely considered to have the single best live content update schedule in history. AC2 flopped, oh well. Shit happens. DDO was mediocre. It's actually a good game for what it is.. it's just not a mass appeal game. It's guild wars, in a crappy setting that was forced on them by WotC.

And now you have LotRO.

Trust me, I used to hate Turbine as much as anyone after the disappointment of DDO.. but give credit where it is due. LotRO is doing exceedingly well and they really got their shit together this time around.

You would be happy with a piece of wood too....the game lacks depth, i thought it was amazing until i hit level 20, then it started sucking, by 30 i didnt even care to log on, it was a bore, if you like a MMO on rails that tells you everything you need to do and when, LOTRO is for you.

[rhagz]

You would be happy with a piece of wood too..

No, I actually am not happy with Vanguard at all.

[Venzule]

You would be happy with a piece of wood too....the game lacks depth, i thought it was amazing until i hit level 20, then it started sucking, by 30 i didnt even care to log on, it was a bore, if you like a MMO on rails that tells you everything you need to do and when, LOTRO is for you.

How does Vanguard have depth?? You must be a very shallow minded person to think Vanguard is a "deep" game.

LOTRO is at least based on an amazing set of novels by an amazing author.

Vanguard is based on a cookie cutter template of good race vs bad race borrowed from every other MMO that was created before it, and the lore is horrible to go along with it. They threw a two things in that were unique.. Diplomacy mini game and Boats.... Big whoop!



Seriously, the only reason why you defend this title is because of this forum and your guilds affiliation with the game. Do you have an Alt account where you spew the truth about Vanguard? Id like to read those posts.

Can Vanguard be a great MMO? Sure it can. Just as much as LOTRO can be a great MMO. LOTRO has the advantage though... it began waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay ahead of Vanguard in almost every aspect.

Vanguard=Dooomed. Silky Venom Guild= Dooomed. This Forum= Doooooooomed.

Sorry.... :cry: :cry: :cry:

[Ishtavin]

Vanguard has more classes, abilities, customazation, and races strating out.
Vanguard has no instancing, you can explore all buildings you see, you can visit all places you see, its more open.
Vanguard has a crafting system that LOTRO cant even compare to.
Vanguard...DIplomacy....its awesome, esp if you take the time ti understand whats happening.


Lotro is based on a set of novels...Big deal, they didnt even pick a decent time for the game to take place....game cant last forever, eventually frodo gets to mount doom and wins the interweb....

I could go on with this but since it opinion i dont see a point, kinda like your misguided beliefe that LOTRO is a decent game...

[Joodah]

I wouldnt play ****ing lotr if you paid me. sorry, I am so goddam sick of frigging lord of the rings if I have to hear about gandalf or bilbo one more time I'll vomit. I don't care how "good" you think it is, it's a rings fanboy game for fanboys of an overexposed property. Please, go have fun in your savior of games - I'll take one that isn't an IP and has more different stuff to do than that cookie cutter peice of trash. My guild of 100+ already made the decision not to have a chapter there, because there isn't much to it to bother. /wave

[rhagz]

Vanguard has more classes, abilities, customazation, and races strating out.
Vanguard has no instancing, you can explore all buildings you see, you can visit all places you see, its more open.
Vanguard has a crafting system that LOTRO cant even compare to.
Vanguard...DIplomacy....its awesome, esp if you take the time ti understand whats happening.

Vanguard has a basically 4 classes. Tank, healer, nuker, melee. Sure they may claim to have 15 of them, but they all just kinda blur together.. and balance isn't even in the Sigil dictionary. I'll take 7 defined and refined classes over 15 piles of mud any day.

Ooo, you can go in that building.. and it's empty. Thanks for hitching, it's totally worth it!

Crafting.. lol. One look at the economy and state of crafting is enough to make that argument leak like the Titanic.

And a card game.. woopty freaking doo. I don't play MMOs to play Pokemon.

[Venzule]

Vanguard has more classes, abilities, customazation, and races strating out.

More Clasess? Pretty much the same. Nuke, Melee, Heal, Hybrid. 4 if you ask me. The rest of the clasess take away from the game because it makes creating a group MUCH harder. If you only need to pick from 4 clasess for a solid group you have a much better chance at finding them all. Sometimes more isnt better.

Races?? HAHA... If you looked at all the clasess you will notice VERY quickly that most of them are from the same character model. Throw in a few dogs, rats, ect... and you have about 4 solid "Different" classes.

Abilities?? Sure, Vanguard has more. Just like EQ2 you need to have 12 action bars to load them all out on your screen. I think its nice that LOTRO simplifies this by cutting it down to a MUCH more manageable level. Im not sure whats better yet.

Vanguard has no instancing, you can explore all buildings you see, you can visit all places you see, its more open.

LOTRO has quick instancing. IMO its much better to control content, its also better to control lag. It also means a much more complete world. In Vanguard you can walk into 10,000 worthless homes with nothing in them and no reason to do it. YAY! Sounds like a timesink to me. In LOTRO you know that the door your walking in has well thought out content inside.

Vanguard has a crafting system that LOTRO cant even compare to.

The Crafting system in Vanguard is boring and pretty much just like every crafting system in most MMO's. Nothing revolutionary.

Vanguard...DIplomacy....its awesome, esp if you take the time ti understand whats happening.

Its a mini game and its really just another time sink.

Lotro is based on a set of novels...Big deal, they didnt even pick a decent time for the game to take place....game cant last forever, eventually frodo gets to mount doom and wins the interweb....

Just like the ongoing strugle in Vanguard. The Vanguard world is just as static.

I could go on with this but since it opinion i dont see a point, kinda like your misguided beliefe that LOTRO is a decent game...

Ill give the same answer as I do for the 8 mil subs in WOW.... 1 Million subs and counting bud... what is Vanguard DOWN to? 130k? Please... let the numbers do the talking.



In the end Vanguard is STILL a buggy mess with crappy textures thrown together and very little though to content. Have you seen the water fall by Leth? Can you possibly make that look anymore like 10 year old technology? Vanguard is hardly 3rd gen. LOTRO is 3rd gen. Simple as that.

[Joodah]

Ill give the same answer as I do for the 8 mil subs in WOW.... 1 Million subs and counting bud... what is Vanguard DOWN to? 130k? Please... let the numbers do the talking.


We. Don't. Care.

Wow, good for you, you can see that one of the most known properties in the world got "1 million subs". If you think they are keeping those after the free trial, I have a bridge to sell you. Seriously. :D Talk about "please".

Millions of people use aol still too. Millions of people eat cow tongue every day. Millions of guys get their dick peirced. Does that mean I must use aol, put a hole in my dick, and eat cow tongue? :D Many of us think lotr is a pos. You have your own opinion - so please, go play it - I hear they even have forums. If that's what "fun" and "content" is for you, more power to you. We'll be here.

[Venzule]

We. Don't. Care.

Wow, good for you, you can see that one of the most known properties in the world got "1 million subs". If you think they are keeping those after the free trial, I have a bridge to sell you. Seriously. :D Talk about "please".

Whatever you have to tell yourself. Most of the pre-orders were Beta testers. They have already played the game for months. If you think they just paid $50 for the hell of it there is no help for you.

Millions of people use aol still too. Millions of people eat cow tongue every day. Millions of guys get their dick peirced. Does that mean I must use aol, put a hole in my dick, and eat cow tongue? :D Many of us think lotr is a pos. You have your own opinion - so please, go play it - I hear they even have forums. If that's what "fun" and "content" is for you, more power to you. We'll be here.

You wont be here for long. :) This game has 130k subs. If 50% of LOTRO subs leave they will still have almost 500% more subs than Vanguard.

Vanguard is a failure, face it. Pleeeeease.



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[Joodah]

..Quote:
Originally Posted by Joodah


Whatever you have to tell yourself. Most of the pre-orders were Beta testers. They have already played the game for months. If you think they just paid $50 for the hell of it there is no help for you.

I can say the same for you. "Whatever you want to tell yourself" on lotr :) Like I said, have at it, have a ball. not interested. In the least.

You wont be here for long. This game has 130k subs. If 50% of LOTRO subs leave they will still have almost 500% more subs than Vanguard.

Don't worry I'll spare a good laugh for you when we are still here in a year. Dream on all you want. Again, I could give a s h i t about how many subs that piece of crap has, try to wrap your head around that concept. As much as vengeful forum warriors like you and the others here want to bring the game down, it's not gonna happen. So please, check back in say 6 months and we'll see who was right. Tah!





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[Venzule]

...........

You better start caring how many subs Vanguard has with that 50 Mil bill Sigil has to pay off....


Dooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooom!! :volcano:

[Joodah]

You better start caring how many subs Vanguard has with that 50 Mil bill Sigil has to pay off....


Dooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooom!! :volcano:


Three words: Sony Online Entertainment. :pirate:

[Ishtavin]

Three words: Sony Online Entertainment. :pirate:

VG > Lotro ...simple math.

[Venzule]

Three words: Sony Online Entertainment. :pirate:

Three more words about SOE..... Star Wars Galaxies

[Venzule]

VG > Lotro ...simple math.

LOL You suck at math.

[Ishtavin]

LOL You suck at math.

Yet your posting on a VG forum instead of a LOTRO forum....hrmmmmm.....

[Venzule]

Yet your posting on a VG forum instead of a LOTRO forum....hrmmmmm.....

Nothing to do with math skills.... and this "Volcano" has nothing to do with Vanguard.

[Honor Woods]

You better start caring how many subs Vanguard has with that 50 Mil bill Sigil has to pay off....


Dooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooom!! :volcano:

30 != 50.

So who sucks at math?

[Joodah]

Three more words about SOE..... Star Wars Galaxies


not the point :) Fact is regardless of the state it's in, they'll keep it going, and I'm fine with that!

[Venzule]

not the point :) Fact is regardless of the state it's in, they'll keep it going, and I'm fine with that!

Just like LOTRO SWG has a name... its the only reason why its still running. Adside from that, the other reason is Dev costs were paid for because SWG was at one point a success... unlike Vanguard.


Doooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooom! :volcano:


Love it...


Have a nice weekend... I dont post on this crap unless im making money at the same time. :)

[Honor Woods]

Just like LOTRO SWG has a name... its the only reason why its still running. Adside from that, the other reason is Dev costs were paid for because SWG was at one point a success... unlike Vanguard.


Doooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooom! :volcano:


Love it...


Have a nice weekend... I dont post on this crap unless im making money at the same time. :)

So, what yer saying is, you are cheating your investors by posting here when you should be making them money?

You and Brad should get along fine. :)

[rhagz]

So, what yer saying is, you are cheating your investors by posting here when you should be making them money?

You and Brad should get along fine. :)

LOL, good one. Speaking of Brad.. where is he hiding these days?