Where you started getting bored.

[Aikar]

Since my thread was merged unneedingly into the VG sucks thread when it was not called for, I guess I will have to remake it and reclarrify a little bit.

This Poll is not for people who are still enjoying the game.
This is not a VG sucks thread, this is not a crying waaah thread. It's a simple information gathering that sigil can use (sigil is not going to read the VG sucks thread anyways, so this needs to be remade)



This poll is meant to be constructive information request on where most people who are not logging in as much lately started to get bored.

It is meant to show where the game needs most work on. If you are enjoying the game, move on, please stop trolling and do not reply.



Here I am, 38, Started getting very bored at 35 as the 35+ content just isnt 'fun'.

1-35 I had a blast, Vault of Heroes, Hilsbury Manor, CIS (what little I did), ROTK was ok but a lil bland, and then my favorite, Pantheon of the ancients.

All well designed content etc, but come 35? It got boring to me.

the new Xen dungeon sounds like it may be well designed, but full of bugs, and I got too bored before I could even get to it.

So poll: where did the game get boring to you and started to make you not want to login?

Maybe sigil can use this poll to find out where they really need to work on to keep people pushing forward, as not having content at 50 is one thing, you didn't have to rush, but not having content when you have not rushed at midish levels is not a good thing.


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Here's a balanced poll for you: (WARNING: YOU ARE ENTERING THE VOLCANO, MATURE 18+ BASED POLL QUESTION!)

http://www.silkyvenom.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20132

[Korvix]

yeah would be nice to see this thread get a lot of posts.

[Aroua999]

I had a great time til right around lvl 28. I guess I should have siad ~30, but I accidently hit ~25....oh well.
The high 20's started giving me problems on both my Cleric and my crafter (carpenter). As an adventurer, it just seemed like I was doing the same thing I had done a thousand times before in other games, but without the storyline of fun factor. I'm not even sure how to describe why I did it in 7 games before and never got tired of repeating this process, something was just missing here and by around 30 it starts to get very apparent.

For crafting, I enjoyed it at first, but I grew frustrated by either spending insane amounts of time making real items for people (boats take forever!), even though making itmes is what I wish to do, and the need to continue leveling so I could play the game, discover new recepies and quests and get to make the caravels as well. Jsut grinding W/o's is boring, and does not have the excitement of making real items and playing the market. So I never made it to caravels. First time in a game that had crafting that I quit so early. I jsut didn't feel productive.

These are just Imho. Hope it helps Sigil in their upcomming redesign, but at the same time, they just need to do what they think needs doing.

[Sait]

Errr you dont work for Sigil and they already would have this information they arnt stupid its called Stats they can see how many people loged in when where how many activated their accounts how many stoped activating their account. They can see where you made money when you made it what mobs you killed what quests you did.

This is a stupid Post its one sided and negative !! ...

:volcano:

[Korvix]

Errr you dont work for Sigil and they already would have this information they arnt stupid its called Stats they can see how many people loged in when where how many activated their accounts how many stoped activating their account. They can see where you made money when you made it what mobs you killed what quests you did.

This is a stupid Post its one sided and negative !! ...

:volcano:

it can be informative with enough ppl voting. how bout you crawl back into your cave, k thx bye.

[Chae668]

OP...

you could make posts about the same thing however many times you want. it will still get moved to the whaa thread. since it pretty much is.

as soon as lab wakes up, she will just move it again.

[Caldis]

Trengal keep really started to bore me. It was just so monotonous. I love plenty of the other dungeons but TK just sucks the will to play out of me. I gave up adventuring for awhile and did a bit of crafting and diplomacy but they didnt hold my interest for very long.

Now I have less time to play and I'm finding the hassle of finding a group takes up too much time if I want to adventure. I realize I screwed up in rolling a rogue, should have taken something more soloable but the class fit the character I had in mind.

I think I'm finding Vanguard is too much of a time commitment for me to enjoy.

[Aikar]

OP...

you could make posts about the same thing however many times you want. it will still get moved to the whaa thread. since it pretty much is.

as soon as lab wakes up, she will just move it again.

Where is the Whaa? I'm not seeing it. I'll just have to send her a PM and ask her not to eh?


I've stated this post is not a whine thread. I don't see myself whining, Just requesting others input and information.

If anything, move it to off topic, even though it doesn't belong there. It belongs here... Not in the VG sucks thread, not in the im leaving thread, because its neither.

[Spry]

Where is the Whaa? I'm not seeing it. I'll just have to send her a PM and ask her not to eh?


I've stated this post is not a whine thread. I don't see myself whining, Just requesting others input and information.

If anything, move it to off topic, even though it doesn't belong there. It belongs here... Not in the VG sucks thread, not in the im leaving thread, because its neither.


If you would of added a *not bored* vote then it wouldn't seem so whaa.

[Chae668]

agreed. we are going through the same BS we did yesturday with the same post.

his first one got moved, and so will this one.

[david99]

35+ started to get real boring IMO, dragons backbone? was pretty sweet though, at least for a while...then it was all downhill IMO. Grind Grind Grind. Doesn't help that i'm a rakuur shaman and post 40 for us is a huge slap in the face.

Some missives for every lvl would be nice IMO, at least guildies who don't have much time can get together for a quick bash.

[Darthorious]

35+ started to get real boring IMO, dragons backbone? was pretty sweet though, at least for a while...then it was all downhill IMO. Grind Grind Grind. Doesn't help that i'm a rakuur shaman and post 40 for us is a huge slap in the face.

Some missives for every lvl would be nice IMO, at least guildies who don't have much time can get together for a quick bash.

For me 25+ it slows way down.

You have no idea how many alts I have all in the 20's lol

Crafting I could only bare to level 1 charecter in it and that was my main.

[Aikar]

agreed. we are going through the same BS we did yesturday with the same post.

his first one got moved, and so will this one.


If you don't like it, then put me on ignore and leave.

THERE IS A 10 QUESTION LIMIT - THERE IS NO ROOM FOR A "NOT BORED"

and...

Learn2Read? It clearly says this poll is not for people who are not bored.

This is NOT a "Are you bored or not" poll. Make your own poll if you want to reply with "I'm not bored"

[Spry]

If you don't like it, then put me on ignore and leave.

THERE IS A 10 QUESTION LIMIT - THERE IS NO ROOM FOR A "NOT BORED"

and...

Learn2Read? It clearly says this poll is not for people who are not bored.

This is NOT a "Are you bored or not" poll. Make your own poll if you want to reply with "I'm not bored"

I hate to say this because you seem to be getting upset but .....Whaa:cry: .

[Chae668]

If you don't like it, then put me on ignore and leave.

THERE IS A 10 QUESTION LIMIT - THERE IS NO ROOM FOR A "NOT BORED"

and...

Learn2Read? It clearly says this poll is not for people who are not bored.

This is NOT a "Are you bored or not" poll. Make your own poll if you want to reply with "I'm not bored"
and because your original post was moved, you made another one.

-could have changed the title to better reflect your second thread
-could have gotten rid of 5~ and put in the still playing~

you wouldnt have this problem all over again. but guess you didnt learn from your first thread.

take 3 anyone?

[Silvania]

There is no "I'm not bored yet" option, so I can't vote on it.

Your poll is very one sided, since you are suggesting that everyone is bored of Vanguard, and it's only a matter of which level we got bored at.

Add a "Not bored yet" option to your poll, otherwise, yes, it does come off as a "Vanguard Sucks, Whaaa" thread...

*shrugs*

[Aikar]

There is no "I'm not bored yet" option, so I can't vote on it.

Your poll is very one sided, since you are suggesting that everyone is bored of Vanguard, and it's only a matter of which level we got bored at.

Add a "Not bored yet" option to your poll, otherwise, yes, it does come off as a "Vanguard Sucks, Whaaa" thread...

*shrugs*

http://www.starfall.com/
and because your original post was moved, you made another one.

-could have changed the title to better reflect your second thread
-could have gotten rid of 5~ and put in the still playing~

you wouldnt have this problem all over again. but guess you didnt learn from your first thread.

take 3 anyone?

I changed my title, and perhaps you should also reread my post.
Why add an option for people that the poll is not even aimed to?

Thats like trying to survey Womens favorate bra brands, and giving an option for a mens underwear brand....

Not seeing the reason to add a not bored option? If you just read the post... you would understand. why are you making this so difficult? It's a simple poll... Move along.

[Chae668]

http://www.starfall.com/
wow, taht will get you better results.:rolleyes:

[WinterX]

I am no friend of factiongrinding to get quests.
And it started at lvl 30 (for those who wanted to do the grind) in Wardship.

Maybe this "forced grinding" pre 50 gives VG such a bad name or so many people start getting bored cause of the kill these 200mobs and the next kill 200 mobs...just need 2k faction more etc etc..

I just skipped every factiongrind in the game cause I didn't like it. Maybe it is ok in the endgame, but to start grinds at 30ish already is not the way to go. At least not for me

[Gecon]

Well my main problem with Vanguard is currently:

- No party ? You cant enter many areas.

- You got party ? You rocketlevel.

I only have 8 character slots, and yesterday I made a whole level in about 5 hours ! Jumped from 35.2 to 36.2 in such a short time. Even died 2-3 times, but I was always raised afterwards. With such an extreme leveling speed, I dont see how I can play for years with only 8 character slots.

Well, one can always hope that one gets more levels, and more character slots, when the game continues.

[Chae668]

well, i just corrupted your poll information.

im not lv 50, but i wanted to see the results, so i voted for lv 50:D

hope that helps your poll:pirate:

[fcwedd]

Errr you dont work for Sigil and they already would have this information they arnt stupid its called Stats they can see how many people loged in when where how many activated their accounts how many stoped activating their account. They can see where you made money when you made it what mobs you killed what quests you did.

This is a stupid Post its one sided and negative !! ...

:volcano:

Actually, I'm glad they posted this. I was curious.

[Multiplex]

Errr you dont work for Sigil and they already would have this information they arnt stupid its called Stats they can see how many people loged in when where how many activated their accounts how many stoped activating their account. They can see where you made money when you made it what mobs you killed what quests you did.

This is a stupid Post its one sided and negative !! ...

:volcano:

http://www.swearing.org/misc/img/wambulance.gif

[Labyrrinth]

Going to leave this one open for now because although one sided, I can see perhaps where there may be some value in it.

If it starts getting out of hand though it'll be closed and/or moved and another one will not be allowed

[Aikar]

Going to leave this one open for now because although one sided, I can see perhaps where there my be some value in it.

If it starts getting out of hand though it'll be closed and/or moved and another one will not be allowed

Or just delete the out of hand post please =P
Thanks lab :)

And in response to http://www.silkyvenom.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20120

A lot of people get bored around level 15 or so and I was thinking about why that is.

The game becomes too easy.

Up until level 15 or so, you are struggling to get good equipment, your mount, bags and your core skills. Once you get all those things, Vanguard becomes so easy that it's boring. Before my shammy got his bear, the game was somewhat challenging. After my shammy got his bear, Vanguard became very, very easy. I suspect other classes have a similar pattern.

Here is how this can be fixed.

1. Expand mob aggro radius. My toon can pass within arm's length of mobs oftentimes.

2. Runners. When a mob hits half health, it should run. And when it runs it should aggro everything it touches.

3. Linking. Two mobs are guarding a gate. I can pull one at a time. No way this should happen. More mobs need to be linked.

4. Patrols. There should be many patrolling mobs.

Vanguard does some of this, but not enough. Typically, vanguard increases difficulty by increasing mob health. This makes combat boring. My shammy can solo 4 dots with his bear, but it takes forever. I have literally left my pc and made a cup of coffee during combat.

WoW has 8 million players in part due to keeping the game challenging. WoW has lots of runners, linked mobs, patrols and so on. Many of you are familiar with the Foundry in the Deadmines. That encounter is so challenging just because of how the mobs are scripted. You get a goblin down to half health, he'll run and get his buddies. And once you've cleared the Foundry? You think you are safe? You engage some new mobs? Sucker! You are hit with a patrol from behind.

A friggin bear shammy? Whose bright idea was it to give a WoW priest a WoW hunter's pet? Shammys are main healers! Sounds fun on paper, but it's boring to play.

Vanguard gets boring because the devs didn't put enough thought into encounters and toons are too powerful. Creating challenging encounters takes a lot of planning and creativity. It's all a delicate balancing act.


2. Runners. When a mob hits half health, it should run. And when it runs it should aggro everything it touches.

This would be insanely annoying and tedius, not challenging.

3. Linking. Two mobs are guarding a gate. I can pull one at a time. No way this should happen. More mobs need to be linked.

Almost every mob links in a little bit higher levels, but you can simply lull them to make them not link. Asking to make things link is sort of asking to remove lull from the game.

[The_Dark_Knight]

The game doesn't get boring, once again, any poll that doesn't include "never" isn't a valid poll.

This poll has completely no merit.

A better title would be "If you got bored with VG, when did it happen?" and eliminate the level 5 option and put "never" in its place.

I recommend that everyone corrupt the data of this poll by selecting level 50... or, ignore it entirely.

[Aikar]

The game doesn't get boring, once again, any poll that doesn't include "never" isn't a valid poll.

This poll has completely no merit.

A better title would be "If you got bored with VG, when did it happen?" and eliminate the level 5 option and put "never" in its place.

I recommend that everyone corrupt the data of this poll by selecting level 50... or, ignore it entirely.

Please.... Read...My.... Post... :/

Theres been many polls on 'do you like vanguard or not'. We dont need another.
This is a different question, different poll, those answers are useless. Just read my post >.<

The game doesn't get boring
Thats a VERY highly opinionated statement. YOU may not get bored, but to think this game does not get boring is a flat out lie or you are just fighting to accept the truth.

[akuthia]

ya know what, at the risk of getting MINE locked, i think i'm gonna make a BETTER, more BALANCED poll, now.

[Aikar]

ya know what, at the risk of getting MINE locked, i think i'm gonna make a BETTER, more BALANCED poll, now.

Go ahead, your poll will be a completely different question, although redundant as its been made alot already.

My poll was not meant to be balanced, and if you simply read my post, you would see that.


Here's a balanced poll for you: (WARNING: YOU ARE ENTERING THE VOLCANO, MATURE 18+ BASED POLL QUESTION!)

http://www.silkyvenom.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20132

[akuthia]

a poll is not worth anything if there is no balance. A poll is about statistics. Basically, all you're poll is saying is that " Out of X number of people polled, 100% got bored!"

[Aikar]

a poll is not worth anything if there is no balance. A poll is about statistics. Basically, all you're poll is saying is that " Out of X number of people polled, 100% got bored!"

If the question was "are you bored", then yes you would be correct, however that is not the question, and that is exactly the question you guys are asking me to turn this into, and I dont care to ask that question as it is redundant.

My question is "Out of the people who are bored, where did you get bored at?"

The statistics of this poll is to find the level range people get bored at the most, NOT to find out if people are bored or not.

If you want to find out if people are bored or not, then please... make a new poll :/

[Gecon]

From http://www.silkyvenom.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20120 :

1. Expand mob aggro radius. My toon can pass within arm's length of mobs oftentimes. Thats when the mobs are very much below your own level. So if they attack it would be annoying and not make the game more exciting.

2. Runners. When a mob hits half health, it should run. And when it runs it should aggro everything it touches. Yeah thats a great idea - so classes that do low damage and cannot root will be unable to kill any mob, ever. And when they try, they will be killed everytime. I bet people will love you for that very idea. Especially solo players.

3. Linking. Two mobs are guarding a gate. I can pull one at a time. No way this should happen. More mobs need to be linked. They often are, actually.

4. Patrols. There should be many patrolling mobs. There are enough of them them, already. Getting killed on a regular basis because of something you cant change will NOT make the game more interesting.

[karanji]

To the OP, good job with this post.

For everyone else asking for it to be moved...

It is probably because your feelings are hurt... well I think the problem is you know you are playing a piece of shit game, and now someone is reminding you that you are wasting away playing a piece of shit game... So the originally poster soured your "reality escape" of Vanguard, which is probably the shittiest MMO made in quite some time, and you flame him. Keep up the good work!

Been about 3 months since I checked these boards, and its the same shit, buggy game vanboi's relentlessly flame. Stubborn Ignorance would be the best way to describe those response.

[Fingis]

Getting killed on a regular basis because of something you cant change will NOT make the game more interesting.

What is the number one reason for toon death in WoW?

Adds.

Where do these adds come from?

Patrols, runners, large aggro radii.

In VG, sometimes I feel as though I'm walking through a zoo.

Spice it up, Sigil.

[dan9of9]

What is the number one reason for toon death in WoW?

Adds.

Where do these adds come from?

Patrols, runners, large aggro radii.

In VG, sometimes I feel as though I'm walking through a zoo.

Spice it up, Sigil.

i feel quite the opposite,unless using undead invis in undead areas,
agro is just the same as wow's agro,but ofc,in wow its spirit back to corpse so its easier.

i get hacked off getting bosses in a field,crossing a river,and dam frogs 36036370460346 lvls below me agro from tursh when im in qalia and knock me off my 30lvl mount with barding..

its fact,it always happens,im totaly confused as to what the hell you are on about,unless this is a post to up the hardness and make van more crap so you wow guys can laugh.
tbh

(didnt vote,van isnt boring yet,im lvl 38)

[Rasputina]

Add an option for "During new mount quests" and I will vote for that. I suppose I could vote the level I was when i started it, but that would be misleading.

[Quinalla]

Late 30s, early 40s was when content started getting too sparse, though it improves almost every patch. I would say 30+ is where the most work is needed and more is needed the higher you get from what I have seen so far.

As for getting bored, I haven't been bored yet, I really like the game, but I have been playing less because I am trying to not get to 50 before the raid content is put into the game. I have tried a few other MMOs and while they have much more polish than Vanguard, they are lacking the general depth of this game and most important to me is Vanguard's combat and grouping are vastly superior to any MMO I have played. This game needs a lot of work, but the core of this game is so much better than others, they just need to hurry up with the bugs/issues and content.

[Enders]

Honestly i do not understand the problem with this poll, it is in no way one sided.
It isnt trying to show how many people are bored with the game, those are statistics and would require a simple are you bored yes or no option. Where as this poll is directed at a single peice of the vanguard pie chart the people who ARE bored.

That being said i got bored around 42, sure me and my hunting buddy may have went there a little too fast, but i had a blast along the way. Then we made alts to catch up to the other guildies who were lower to play with them, took is a little faster but saw content we didnt see before, i beleive my alt stopped around 34. I just couldn't push myself to go further, i found myself not logging into the game as often. So thats where i fall.

[Slyde_Rule]

At level 37, I am not bored, and never have been. Without an option for those of us who are not bored the results of this poll are meaningless.

[Muggi]

Almost every mob links in a little bit higher levels, but you can simply lull them to make them not link. Asking to make things link is sort of asking to remove lull from the game.

There are many, many MANY hard-linked mobs in the game. Lull is not a freebie-single pull ability in the later levels.

[Enders]

At level 37, I am not bored, and never have been. Without an option for those of us who are not bored the results of this poll are meaningless.

I'm sorry, but are people that slow? this polls purpose is to see where people got bored in the game, where were the boring parts for THOSE THAT GOT BORED not for people who arent bored, you guys posting here is making the poll pointless not the poll itself the poll serves its purpose...where do THOSE THAT GOT BORED get bored, that simple.

[Absalon]

I'm sorry, but are people that slow? this polls purpose is to see where people got bored in the game, where were the boring parts for THOSE THAT GOT BORED not for people who arent bored, you guys posting here is making the poll pointless not the poll itself the poll serves its purpose...where do THOSE THAT GOT BORED get bored, that simple.

I agree with Slyde. This poll is biased. If 30% of the respondents say that they got bored at level 30, what does that signify if 99% of the people on this forum are not bored? (Not saying those are the numbers, just giving a for instance.)

If you want to collect meaningful data, you have to collect all the data. Obviously others have posted that they are not bored, and I will add my vote for that as well. I've been playing VG since August (beta 3) and I've yet to be bored. If nothing else, the constant updates and the close interaction with the developers makes this game interesting for me.

[Aikar]

I agree with Slyde. This poll is biased. If 30% of the respondents say that they got bored at level 30, what does that signify if 99% of the people on this forum are not bored? (Not saying those are the numbers, just giving a for instance.)

If you want to collect meaningful data, you have to collect all the data. Obviously others have posted that they are not bored, and I will add my vote for that as well. I've been playing VG since August (beta 3) and I've yet to be bored. If nothing else, the constant updates and the close interaction with the developers makes this game interesting for me.

You are not understanding, We do not care about those 99%! They can make their own poll on 'which level range do you enjoy the most'

So your saying its wrong to make a poll thats aimed at a specific group of people?

Where is this new internet law that says that polls have to include an answer for everyone?

Because the poll is not meant for you to answer, that makes it useless and not needed? Who made you king O.o?

[Chae668]

So your saying its wrong to make a poll thats aimed at a specific group of people?

maybe you arent getting it. this is a GENERAL discussion channel. anyone should be able to post on anything. you making this poll has eliminated the rest of the viewing public.

your poll is biased, and cant be considered legit because you dont give any option for us non bored peeps.

maybe your just not getting it.

[rhagz]

maybe you arent getting it. this is a GENERAL discussion channel. anyone should be able to post on anything. you making this poll has eliminated the rest of the viewing public.

your poll is biased, and cant be considered legit because you dont give any option for us non bored peeps.

maybe your just not getting it.

I know this is the Politically Correct age and all, but holy shit dude you take the cake. So every thread has to be tailored to fit every single person? No. Forums aren't a democracy. If a thread doesn't pertain to you, you don't have the right to force it to pertain to you.

Just pass it over and move on!

[Pixi]

I know this is the Politically Correct age and all, but holy shit dude you take the cake.

No kidding. :confused:

[Poke]

I know this is the Politically Correct age and all, but holy shit dude you take the cake. So every thread has to be tailored to fit every single person? No. Forums aren't a democracy. If a thread doesn't pertain to you, you don't have the right to force it to pertain to you.

Just pass it over and move on!


No way that is a "Dude". Has to be a very, very, very lonely old lady.

[akuthia]

ok, lets try to explain it to you this way. pick an illega activty. any illegal activity. can be as benign as illegal parking, to whatever you can imagine. the more twisted the better, because you'll see why this sort of setup doesnt work.

I'm going to go with underage drinking. now make a poll in your head. I'm going to call mine "where you started drinking?" now populate your poll with numbers that constutute underage drinking (here in the US, any number under 21 will do, excluding that one state that doesnt take the federal bribe....errr assistance) njow say something to the effect of "this poll is only for people that think activity X is ok at that age/time/situation, and we dont really care that some people might agree that it should stay illegal, we just want to present the info that suits us.

now imagine that your polls "revealed" that out of 100 respondants, 90% of them feel like the age falls somewhere between 18-20. you goto mr government and say "hey, our poll shows 90% of the respondants think people over 18 should be allowed to drink! lets get on it!

meanwhile, another 900 non respondants think that the drinking laws are just fine. it's one thinkg to make statistics tell the story you want. it's another to tell a story without all the letters i the alphabet

[Multiplex]

maybe you arent getting it. this is a GENERAL discussion channel. anyone should be able to post on anything. you making this poll has eliminated the rest of the viewing public.

your poll is biased, and cant be considered legit because you dont give any option for us non bored peeps.

maybe your just not getting it.

132 votes later... you're still going on and on about this?

[dwarfman420]

132 votes later... you're still going on and on about this?

Dont think he's through. This will prolly drive his post count up even more. With close to 1500 posts I dont think he honestly playes as much as he would have us think.

Whatever it takes to get more post count an more attention I guess. Bright Red lettering.... a sig the size of some a small dog and so bright it give a person with epilepsy a seizer.


I think this might help explain things..

[Korvix]

No way that is a "Dude". Has to be a very, very, very lonely old lady.

/agree

[Caldis]

meanwhile, another 900 non respondants think that the drinking laws are just fine. it's one thinkg to make statistics tell the story you want. it's another to tell a story without all the letters i the alphabet

That's not what this poll is trying to find out though. I'm going to change your analogy to show how it better fits this poll. To do this we would ask those who began drinking when they were underage at what age was it that they started. This is useful information for the government and social scientists to learn, they can now find out what age is a common starting point for underage drinking. They can research what factors are driving underage drinkers to start drinking at certain ages and try to find ways to reduce or eliminate them.

Knowing that x% of people started drinking when they were underage doesnt really help with this study, in fact the extra data to collect gets in the way of what they were actually looking for. In a different study that could be valuable, but not for this one.


This isnt an advocacy poll trying to convince people the game is boring this is a poll trying to find where people who are having problems with the game are running into these problems so that sigil can work on these problem areas.


Does that make sense to everyone?

[Chae668]

I know this is the Politically Correct age and all, but holy shit dude you take the cake. So every thread has to be tailored to fit every single person? No. Forums aren't a democracy. If a thread doesn't pertain to you, you don't have the right to force it to pertain to you.
Just pass it over and move on!your one to talk bud. follow your own advice sometime when you post on other threads.

No way that is a "Dude". Has to be a very, very, very lonely old lady.dude

132 votes later... you're still going on and on about this?how many votes there are does not determine my stand on this subject

Dont think he's through. This will prolly drive his post count up even more. With close to 1500 posts I dont think he honestly playes as much as he would have us think.
Whatever it takes to get more post count an more attention I guess. Bright Red lettering.... a sig the size of some a small dog and so bright it give a person with epilepsy a seizer.


I think this might help explain things..
not trying to get my post count up. why does everyone assume that everyone is trying to get the highest post count possible?

but, alas. i will stop i guess. others have the same views as me, but im the bad guy. just remember, alot of those 50~ votes are us that cant vote. not just me.

last time you see me post, unless it is in response to a person that wants me to drop it, and continues to respond to me.
:pirate:

[akuthia]

That's not what this poll is trying to find out though. I'm going to change your analogy to show how it better fits this poll. To do this we would ask those who began drinking when they were underage at what age was it that they started. This is useful information for the government and social scientists to learn, they can now find out what age is a common starting point for underage drinking. They can research what factors are driving underage drinkers to start drinking at certain ages and try to find ways to reduce or eliminate them.

Knowing that x% of people started drinking when they were underage doesnt really help with this study, in fact the extra data to collect gets in the way of what they were actually looking for. In a different study that could be valuable, but not for this one.


This isnt an advocacy poll trying to convince people the game is boring this is a poll trying to find where people who are having problems with the game are running into these problems so that sigil can work on these problem areas.


Does that make sense to everyone?

make sense? sure, to a point, BUT again, those 100 people say they get bored, 90% at point X, sure that seems like a problem, but if another 900 say they're NOT getting bored, PERHAPS it is really an issue with those 100 people who got bored, more than the actual game

[Korvix]

make sense? sure, to a point, BUT again, those 100 people say they get bored, 90% at point X, sure that seems like a problem, but if another 900 say they're NOT getting bored, PERHAPS it is really an issue with those 100 people who got bored, more than the actual game

Yup thats why the game had a massive fall out...

[akuthia]

you absolutely can't say everyone that left did so because of boredom. especially with this poll. It could have been money, it could have been lack of time, it could've been change of commitiments, it could've been any number of things not related to boredom, that a 10 spot poll can't cover

[Korvix]

you absolutely can't say everyone that left did so because of boredom. especially with this poll. It could have been money, it could have been lack of time, it could've been change of commitiments, it could've been any number of things not related to boredom, that a 10 spot poll can't cover

yup, my whole guild of 150ppl that up and quit b/c they ran out of money...nope it was boredom/bugs/sigil&SOE. same w/ everyone other than 3 ppl on my friends list of over 50 ppl as well...

some ppl are enjoying the game, but, a lot are not and the community is being hit hard, imo.

[akuthia]

and bugs are not boredom, are not sigil/soe. boredeom is boredeom, and this poll provides NO other option than "i'm bored"

[Korvix]

and bugs are not boredom, are not sigil/soe. boredeom is boredeom, and this poll provides NO other option than "i'm bored"

b/c its a poll for the bored ppl, im guessing you are REALLY BORED, if all you have to do is come on to the OPs thread and post about how not bored you are. So...have you voted yet?

[akuthia]

actually, im here because i have to leave for work soon, and didnt want to get engrossed in something. and no, i didnt vote, because im not completely bored yet, altough, i might be getting there, not really sure yet. and im not saying how not bored i am, i'm saying how a good poll should be constructed.sure, with only 10 options, it can be tough, but, as you can see in my poll, that can somewhat be alleviated by condensing into 10 levels for one.

[Korvix]

actually, im here because i have to leave for work soon, and didnt want to get engrossed in something. and no, i didnt vote, because im not completely bored yet, altough, i might be getting there, not really sure yet. and im not saying how not bored i am, i'm saying how a good poll should be constructed.sure, with only 10 options, it can be tough, but, as you can see in my poll, that can somewhat be alleviated by condensing into 10 levels for one.

Then GTFO already, dont forget to vote on your way out...

[akuthia]

i'm so tempted to choose everyone, just for you korvix

[Absalon]

That's not what this poll is trying to find out though. I'm going to change your analogy to show how it better fits this poll. To do this we would ask those who began drinking when they were underage at what age was it that they started. This is useful information for the government and social scientists to learn, they can now find out what age is a common starting point for underage drinking. They can research what factors are driving underage drinkers to start drinking at certain ages and try to find ways to reduce or eliminate them.

Knowing that x% of people started drinking when they were underage doesnt really help with this study, in fact the extra data to collect gets in the way of what they were actually looking for. In a different study that could be valuable, but not for this one.


I'm sorry, but I don't agree. If you are only collecting data from underage drinkers, then you don't know how big of a problem underage drinking is. If those people represent .0001% of the population, does the government need to spend their time looking into solutions? It doesn't matter if kids started drinking at 15, 16 or whatever, because the majority of people waited until they were 21, so there isn't a big enough problem for the government to bother stepping in.

If you don't collect that additional data, it makes the problem seem larger than it is, which is obviously what the creator of this poll intended.


This isnt an advocacy poll trying to convince people the game is boring this is a poll trying to find where people who are having problems with the game are running into these problems so that sigil can work on these problem areas.


Does that make sense to everyone?

No, it doesn't. If the people who vote in this poll, the people who are bored with VG, only represent 1% of the total population, then what does Sigil need to work on? You are misrepresenting the size of the issue by shutting out the people who aren't bored.

I could make a similar poll:

What do you think the monthly fee should be for VG?

Free
$5
$10


See what I did there? I locked out everyone who thinks the current fee is fair. Should Sigil change their pricing structure based on the results of this poll? No. Nor should they work on the game to make it less "boring" based on the results of your poll, because you aren't representing the playerbase fairly.

[rhagz]

I'm sorry, but I don't agree. If you are only collecting data from underage drinkers, then you don't know how big of a problem underage drinking is. If those people represent .0001% of the population, does the government need to spend their time looking into solutions? It doesn't matter if kids started drinking at 15, 16 or whatever, because the majority of people waited until they were 21, so there isn't a big enough problem for the government to bother stepping in.

If you don't collect that additional data, it makes the problem seem larger than it is, which is obviously what the creator of this poll intended.



In some peoples' eyes, including the government and those official intervention programs, even 1 underage drinker is too many.

You can't simply say that because the number may be smaller than than non-underage drinkers that it isn't a problem.

[Fingis]

you absolutely can't say everyone that left did so because of boredom.

In VG everyone is a twink at level 15, unless they don't know how to play.

Twinks are boring as hell to play. Why? They are easy mode.

If Sigil wants to make VG fun, reduce the fat loot and cut back on the ubber skill damage.

If you're level 15, and you have one green, consider yourself lucky.

That and improve the mobs. Mobs should have a large aggro radius, there should be lots of patrols, mobs should run like a stuck pig at half health and aggro everything they touch and more mobs should be linked.

Then you would have a challenging fun game.

I don't twink in WoW, because ultimatly, twinks are boring to play.

[Bottle]

Uhm, how come Heyyaku gets to vote three times?

http://www.silkyvenom.com/forums/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=134

He shows up as having voted 30~ 35~ and 40~...

[Korvix]

Uhm, how come Heyyaku gets to vote three times?

http://www.silkyvenom.com/forums/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=134

He shows up as having voted 30~ 35~ and 40~...

no clue O_O

[Absalon]

In some peoples' eyes, including the government and those official intervention programs, even 1 underage drinker is too many.

You can't simply say that because the number may be smaller than than non-underage drinkers that it isn't a problem.

So, bringing it back to VG then, you think Sigil should spend their time working on content that 1% of the people, people who already did that content, found boring? How is that an efficient use of their resources?

I don't know what the actual numbers are. Maybe 99% of the people thought the game got boring at level 30. But unless you include the people who aren't bored, you don't know what percent of the people are bored. Therefore, you don't know how big the problem is and whether it is worth shifting resources to address it. How hard is that to understand?

It's clear that by not including that data, the creator of the poll is biasing the results toward his opinion that the game is boring. It's just like the old line that people can come up with statistics to prove anything.

[rhagz]

So, bringing it back to VG then, you think Sigil should spend their time working on content that 1% of the people, people who already did that content, found boring? How is that an efficient use of their resources?

I don't know what the actual numbers are. Maybe 99% of the people thought the game got boring at level 30. But unless you include the people who aren't bored, you don't know what percent of the people are bored. Therefore, you don't know how big the problem is and whether it is worth shifting resources to address it. How hard is that to understand?

It's clear that by not including that data, the creator of the poll is biasing the results toward his opinion that the game is boring. It's just like the old line that people can come up with statistics to prove anything.

I think that if the data shows that a significant portion of the votes are centered around one area, then perhaps it would be beneficial to look at that area and see what could be the cause.

The ONLY way this data could be misused is if the poller said 'EVERYONE IS BORED AND HERE IS WHERE THEY GOT BORED'. If you bothered to read the first post you would see that this poll is only for the bored. There is another poll that lets you choose 'not bored'.. so go vote in it. What's funny is that this poll has 3x the number of votes than that one.

[boojiboy]

Since my thread was merged unneedingly into the VG sucks thread when it was not called for, I guess I will have to remake it and reclarrify a little bit.

This Poll is not for people who are still enjoying the game.
This is not a VG sucks thread, this is not a crying waaah thread. It's a simple information gathering that sigil can use (sigil is not going to read the VG sucks thread anyways, so this needs to be remade)



This poll is meant to be constructive information request on where most people who are not logging in as much lately started to get bored.

It is meant to show where the game needs most work on. If you are enjoying the game, move on, please stop trolling and do not reply.



Here I am, 38, Started getting very bored at 35 as the 35+ content just isnt 'fun'.

1-35 I had a blast, Vault of Heroes, Hilsbury Manor, CIS (what little I did), ROTK was ok but a lil bland, and then my favorite, Pantheon of the ancients.

All well designed content etc, but come 35? It got boring to me.

the new Xen dungeon sounds like it may be well designed, but full of bugs, and I got too bored before I could even get to it.

So poll: where did the game get boring to you and started to make you not want to login?

Maybe sigil can use this poll to find out where they really need to work on to keep people pushing forward, as not having content at 50 is one thing, you didn't have to rush, but not having content when you have not rushed at midish levels is not a good thing.


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Here's a balanced poll for you: (WARNING: YOU ARE ENTERING THE VOLCANO, MATURE 18+ BASED POLL QUESTION!)

http://www.silkyvenom.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20132

You missed the 'not bored' category. I'm 34 and haven't become at all yet bored.

[Absalon]

I think that if the data shows that a significant portion of the votes are centered around one area, then perhaps it would be beneficial to look at that area and see what could be the cause.

The ONLY way this data could be misused is if the poller said 'EVERYONE IS BORED AND HERE IS WHERE THEY GOT BORED'. If you bothered to read the first post you would see that this poll is only for the bored. There is another poll that lets you choose 'not bored'.. so go vote in it. What's funny is that this poll has 3x the number of votes than that one.

By not having a "not bored" choice, isn't he in fact saying everyone is bored?

But whatever. The devs aren't going to give this poll any more credence than i do lol. Have fun.

[rhagz]

By not having a "not bored" choice, isn't he in fact saying everyone is bored?


No. But I am convinced that vanboys are just being thickheaded on purpose because the topic is not something along the lines 'VG is wonderful and all the people who don't like it are dumb and should go back to WoW'.

[Fuz]

No. But I am convinced that vanboys are just being thickheaded on purpose because the topic is not something along the lines 'VG is wonderful and all the people who don't like it are dumb and should go back to WoW'.

I'm level 50 and I have not run out of stuff to do or challenges to raise to.
The poll lacks a "Not bored yet". Without it - the poll cannot reflect the community.

[dwarfman420]

You missed the 'not bored' category. I'm 34 and haven't become at all yet bored.

I'm level 50 and I have not run out of stuff to do or challenges to raise to.
The poll lacks a "Not bored yet". Without it - the poll cannot reflect the community.



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[Bottle]

Guys please!

This poll is about finding out from that subsection of the community here that has gotten bored with the game, at which point they got bored.

If you're not bored like me, you do not fit the "demographic" that this poll is trying to find something about. If you're unable to accept that, you're either an obsessive compulsive who can't handle having a poll that's not aimed at you, or you're just trolling because you're bored and want to be obnoxious.

The image you're portraying to the outside world is that people who aren't bored with Vanguard are forum-trolls and nitpicking compulsives. How many potential customers do you think will be swayed to sign up for a subscription with that as an example? Besides, after 3 pages of this, you're beating a dead horse.

There's a "sister poll" for those who aren't bored to vote in. and maybe there should be a very simple Are you bored yes / no poll (not even are you bored with vanguard, just "Are you bored") as well.

/sigh

[Aikar]

I'm not replying to the people who don't know how to read.

BTW You can view the results by clicking 'View Results' without voting.

And the reason that guy was able to vote 3 times is because I made the poll multiple choice, as there is/could be multiple level ranges that bored you.

I.E. Someone may of got bored at 15, fun at 20-30 and bored at 35-40 again so they are able to vote on 15,35,40.