2 boxin' software.

[mrbandersnatch]

I thought I might take the plunge and level another toon up and given my kids play occassionally I thought it might be fun to use 3 accounts and 2 box when they arnt playing.

The only problem is Im clueless on the best software to manage a seperate box (and the other compluter is literally in another room so playing both accounts manually at the same time is out of the question).

Any one got a suggestion on the best software to 2 box with vanguard?

Tia :)

P.S. Preferably nothing that comes with cheats - they really ruin a game :/

[Loampounder]

Sorry, no botting. Cute excuse, but botting is still illegal.

[Daenof]

I thought I might take the plunge and level another toon up and given my kids play occassionally I thought it might be fun to use 3 accounts and 2 box when they arnt playing.

The only problem is Im clueless on the best software to manage a seperate box (and the other compluter is literally in another room so playing both accounts manually at the same time is out of the question).

Any one got a suggestion on the best software to 2 box with vanguard?

Tia :)

P.S. Preferably nothing that comes with cheats - they really ruin a game :/

Unfortunately, I think the only way to 2 box is to manually control 2 Vanguard game sessions with 2 computers that are right next to each other...

There are various Remote Desktop control software, ie RDP, VNC, Gotomypc etc. etc. but they will not work within a game (I don't even want to imagine the performance you would get if it were possible anyways).

A KVM switch with long cables running to your other computer would work, but you would have to switch it to see the other screen if you only have 1 monitor.

**edit: I don't think you were reffering to botting? Just 2 boxing? Botting = bad.

[Renfail]

If you wanna box that's one thing...but software = botting and that's bad.

I 2-boxed an Illusionist + Warden in EQ2 for a long time. Prior to that I 3-boxed EQ1 Warrior+cleric+illusionist to my wife's druid. Boxing = manually switching and manually taking care of all the different toon swith no software...just twitchy fingers and a LOT Of alt_tabbing.

[mrbandersnatch]

Sorry, no botting. Cute excuse, but botting is still illegal.

Its neither illegal or unlawful I think youll find otherwise they would have to creat geek prisons ;)

And I wasnt asking about botting - I was asking about TWO BOXING i.e. I WILL be at the computer playing Im just not physically able to play on both machines.

[Korvix]

i know theres a way to make it so you only have to use 1 keyboard and mouse, but your characters will be doing the exact same thing. try doing some searches, i think its software and a hardware thing though.

~HappyGaming

[bigdogchris]

And I wasnt asking about botting - I was asking about TWO BOXING i.e. I WILL be at the computer playing Im just not physically able to play on both machines.Run VG in windowed mode then make sure your taskbar is 'on top' and you can easily click back and forth between both clients.

[Daenof]

Run VG in windowed mode then make sure your taskbar is 'on top' and you can easily click back and forth between both clients.

Hmm.. how would this work? Run two clients on the same PC? I would be shocked if anyone can get VG to run two instances - its the biggest resource hog. It's like trying to run 3D-Studio on a 386 without a Math Co-Processor :-p

[mrbandersnatch]

Unfortunately, I think the only way to 2 box is to manually control 2 Vanguard game sessions with 2 computers that are right next to each other...

There are various Remote Desktop control software, ie RDP, VNC, Gotomypc etc. etc. but they will not work within a game (I don't even want to imagine the performance you would get if it were possible anyways).

A KVM switch with long cables running to your other computer would work, but you would have to switch it to see the other screen if you only have 1 monitor.

**edit: I don't think you were reffering to botting? Just 2 boxing? Botting = bad.

Ive tried VNC....if you ever thought Vanguards performance was bad, believe me you aint seen nothing ;) Sadly athough I have a couple of KVMs and spare monitors the cable run would be about 30 metres which is impractical :(

I dont want a 100% scripted bot but I was thinking about something along the lines of running in windowed mode and having a seperate control strip via which I could send commands to my other box (e.g. heal me, attack my target, make me a cuppa).

I suppose thats technically botting so will generally be frowned upon but Im just trying to overcome the technical limitations of my systems locations and the game inadiquacies (e.g. Why cant I run 2 sessions if my machine is capable of it?) :(

[mrbandersnatch]

Run VG in windowed mode then make sure your taskbar is 'on top' and you can easily click back and forth between both clients.

Have you tried this? Last time I checked Vanguard used a kernel level mutex to prevent running 2 sessions simultaniously......

[Daenof]

Ive tried VNC....if you ever thought Vanguards performance was bad, believe me you aint seen nothing ;) Sadly athough I have a couple of KVMs and spare monitors the cable run would be about 30 metres which is impractical :(

I dont want a 100% scripted bot but I was thinking about something along the lines of running in windowed mode and having a seperate control strip via which I could send commands to my other box (e.g. heal me, attack my target, make me a cuppa).

I suppose thats technically botting so will generally be frowned upon but Im just trying to overcome the technical limitations of my systems locations and the game inadiquacies (e.g. Why cant I run 2 sessions if my machine is capable of it?) :(

Yes that's botting, anything that does something for you ie "Cast heal" without use of the internal macro's. Any 3rd party software that plays the game for you is botting and against the EULA.

I suppose if your machine was capable of running VG x 2 it could work, but since people with even the most powerful PC's out there are having performance issues with 1 instance, I'm sure 2 would be unplayable.

The other thing is, a lot of programs do not allow two instances of the process to run (ie: vgclient.exe may only be launched once from 1 system).

The only other thing I can think of is trying to run VG from a Virtual Machine, but really, the overhead of another OS & another vgclient.exe running would be too much for any PC imo. Not to mention that I don't believe a VM has the video processing power to run any game (I hate vmware-tools!! :-p)

[Padrick]

Nope tried numerous times to run two instances of Vangaurd on my PC and it wont work...and I have a computer that could do it if Vanguard would let me. I also havent found any software that would allow it to work on one PC either.

What you could do is just bring the PC case into the other room with you and connect it with the switches so you wouldnt have to run the wires 30meters.

[mrbandersnatch]

Nope tried numerous times to run two instances of Vangaurd on my PC and it wont work...and I have a computer that could do it if Vanguard would let me. I also havent found any software that would allow it to work on one PC either.


I thought as much. While it should be possible to change the mutex Ive no idea how to do that and its quite specialised so it would have to be something coded specifically for Vanguard.


What you could do is just bring the PC case into the other room with you and connect it with the switches so you wouldnt have to run the wires 30meters.

Too much hassle everytime I want to play for an hour :D

[Korvix]

put both comps next to each other, get a g15 or a n52, macro the shit out of the keys, and then put the 2nd character on follow and just hit the macro keys for targeting / healing / dps/ follow etc. Thats prolly the best way w/o going to into to much hassle imo.

~HappyGaming

[Slyde_Rule]

I two-boxed EQ for 6 years, using two computers side-by-side. I knew some in EQ who ran 3-4 accounts at the same time. Many ran 2 sessions of EQ in windowed mode on one PC. I tried that but it really affected performance and I hated switching windows. I have two VG accounts, but haven't activated the 2nd one yet. I plan to run them side-by-side. That's the best way to 2-box IMO.

[Fuz]

The simplest solution would be to get a USB macro keyboard (http://www.xkeys.com/xkeys.php), an USB extender or extension cord, and maybe a line cable for linking audio signals as well.

You already see both toons on your PC, so you don't really need to see the screen of the remote PC. Just make the appropriate ingame macros on your shortcut bars and configure the layout of the macro keyboard to your liking (assist, attack, follow, and so on).

With audio connection, you can also hear chains and PM's and have a "/reply Just a sec." type of macro while u run to the other room to reply.

You won't have mouse control - but you most likely don't need that.

[miir]

The simplest solution would be to get a USB macro keyboard (http://www.xkeys.com/xkeys.php), an USB extender or extension cord, and maybe a line cable for linking audio signals as well.

I have a couple of KVMs and spare monitors the cable run would be about 30 metres which is impractical

The max cable length for USB 2.0 is 5m.
You'd have to buy six 5m cables and 5 hubs... which will probably run you between $100-$200... and you'd have a fugly mess of crap running from 1 room to abother.


The only feasable way to 2 box is with 2 computers side-by-side.... unless you resort to using 3rd party software and macros.... which would probably get you banned.

[mrbandersnatch]

Doesnt ANYONE else see the absurdity of macroing using a piece of hardware and computers side by side being acceptable; yet macroing using a piece of software to control the game where the other computer may be remote, yet still will just relay physical key presses, being frowned upon?

Its just SILLY! :pirate:

[Loampounder]

Its neither illegal or unlawful I think youll find otherwise they would have to creat geek prisons ;)

And I wasnt asking about botting - I was asking about TWO BOXING i.e. I WILL be at the computer playing Im just not physically able to play on both machines.

Illegal as against the EULA.

If you are not physically controlling the other machine, you will be botting it.

[mrbandersnatch]

Illegal as against the EULA.

If you are not physically controlling the other machine, you will be botting it.

Thats just my point - I WILL be physically controlling it. e.g. if I have a piece of software that lets me press F1 on my keyboard and it sends that to another machine which causes e.g. the button 1 to be pressed on that machine which has a VANGUARD macro to /target me /cast "big heal" then thats NO different to if the machines are side by side and I just pressed 1 on the keyboard thats physically connected.

I dont want a botting script that I can run unattended. I just want something to let me control 2 machines at once without a ton of cables running 30 metres :)

As I said - silly.

[miir]

Doesnt ANYONE else see the absurdity of macroing using a piece of hardware and computers side by side being acceptable; yet macroing using a piece of software to control the game where the other computer may be remote, yet still will just relay physical key presses, being frowned upon?

Its just SILLY! :pirate:

I think you misunderstand.
Controlling a remote PC running Vanguard is perfectly fine... just a bit limiting.
If you're physically making keystrokes that trigger ingame macros, it matters not where the PC is in relation to you.

The problem is if you are using any sort of 3rd party software that facilitates unattended gameplay. Like automatically refreshing buffs, monitoring HP levels to trigger heals, etc... things of that nature.

[Loampounder]

then thats NO different to if the machines are side by side and I just pressed 1 on the keyboard thats physically connected.

Yeah, you win. Obviously your understanding of Sigil intent is much better that Sigil's lawyers. Go ahead, bot your two-boxer. :rolleyes:

[Zarthaine]

To answer the question, there are programs for free out there like Synergy that allow you to control multiple PC's in the network easily by shifting the mouse over to the other boxes. It's as simple as setting up the software and telling it that 'machine "X" is to the right of machine "Y"; Machine "Y" is to the left of Machine "X". Then just run the "Server" on the main PC and the "Client" on your son's PC.

Providing that you are the owner of the accounts being played, and you are controlling both accounts, it's little more than a network version of a switch box and not breaking any rules. I found the software handy when I played two accounts on EQ-2 with a third PC setup for researching game info. Move the mouse all the way Right, I'm on a second PC and using my G-15 macros, pull it to the left and I'm on the net looking up some game info, center, and I'm on the main box.

[miir]

Yeah, you win. Obviously your understanding of Sigil intent is much better that Sigil's lawyers. Go ahead, bot your two-boxer. :rolleyes:

Botting implies the use of 3rd party software to run scripts and macros that facilitate unattended gameplay.

The use of 3rd party software/hardware to control a PC running Vanguard is not botting.



Running a script/program on a second computer (that is sitting on the same desk) that will cast a heal when a players health reaches a certain level : BOT

Using a program that will manually trigger ingame macros on a remote system running Vanguard : NOT BOT

[Hatto]

Any one got a suggestion on the best software to 2 box with vanguard?
Problem is that EQ boxing software like EQW was developed into botting software, so if you get whatever they developed after EQW anti-botting checks might catch you resulting in a ban or at least of lot of trouble explaining.

What I'm doing when in two-boxing mood is to use two boxes with a keyboard switch, got two pc, two monitors and one set of keyboard-mouse, switching by double-tapping ctrl. Worked like a breeze in WoW where I gave it some more extensive tests.

[Zarthaine]

Problem is that EQ boxing software like EQW was developed into botting software, so if you get whatever they developed after EQW anti-botting checks might catch you resulting in a ban or at least of lot of trouble explaining.

What I'm doing when in two-boxing mood is to use two boxes with a keyboard switch, got two pc, two monitors and one set of keyboard-mouse, switching by double-tapping ctrl. Worked like a breeze in WoW where I gave it some more extensive tests.

Or, you can simply use software to do exactly the same as a keyboard switch automatically for you:

Quoting my previous post:

To answer the question, there are programs for free out there like Synergy that allow you to control multiple PC's in the network easily by shifting the mouse over to the other boxes. It's as simple as setting up the software and telling it that 'machine "X" is to the right of machine "Y"; Machine "Y" is to the left of Machine "X". Then just run the "Server" on the main PC and the "Client" on your son's PC.

Providing that you are the owner of the accounts being played, and you are controlling both accounts, it's little more than a network version of a switch box and not breaking any rules.

best off it uses no cables and is totally free unlike Stardock's Multiplicity that costs money and only runs 1 extra PC not to mention requires a new license every time you re-install it.

[Hatto]

Or, you can simply use software to do exactly the same as a keyboard switch automatically for you
I do remember the performance of that kinda software, its just a no-go for multi-boxing. Its already hard on the timing if you have to switch, graphics lag due to remote control software makes it almost useless.

As to Multiboxing breaking the EULA, people, get serious. Next we gonna ban your girlfriend because you give her tips and she's not playing on her own.

[mrbandersnatch]

To answer the question, there are programs for free out there like Synergy that allow you to control multiple PC's in the network easily by shifting the mouse over to the other boxes. It's as simple as setting up the software and telling it that 'machine "X" is to the right of machine "Y"; Machine "Y" is to the left of Machine "X". Then just run the "Server" on the main PC and the "Client" on your son's PC.


That sounds like just the ticket since Ill be able to see the other character just fine with one screen and its hardly that challenging to play the game without seeing the UI. Cheers Zarthaine.

[Zarthaine]

I do remember the performance of that kinda software, its just a no-go for multi-boxing. Its already hard on the timing if you have to switch, graphics lag due to remote control software makes it almost useless.

As to Multiboxing breaking the EULA, people, get serious. Next we gonna ban your girlfriend because you give her tips and she's not playing on her own.

Oddly, Multiplicity (the expensive version) gave me lag and sometimes crashes. The more functional and free software, Synergy, worked instantly with no hitches. It ran the mouse and keyboard exactly the same on both PC's where Multiplicity would not run the G-15 as a G-15 keyboard on the 2nd box.

[Zarthaine]

That sounds like just the ticket since Ill be able to see the other character just fine with one screen and its hardly that challenging to play the game without seeing the UI. Cheers Zarthaine.

Your welcome. The only thing to remember is to try and keep your keys always in the same spot, this way when you get used to hitting "1" as your heal spell on the 2nd box, your not disappointed with no heal.

I got so used to boxing in EQ-1/EQ-2 that I almost always used /assist,root as my number 8 key. To this day, any game I play, root is "8".

Good luck my friend and enjoy :)

[Vryce]

Thats just my point - I WILL be physically controlling it. e.g. if I have a piece of software that lets me press F1 on my keyboard and it sends that to another machine which causes e.g. the button 1 to be pressed on that machine which has a VANGUARD macro to /target me /cast "big heal" then thats NO different to if the machines are side by side and I just pressed 1 on the keyboard thats physically connected.

I dont want a botting script that I can run unattended. I just want something to let me control 2 machines at once without a ton of cables running 30 metres :)

As I said - silly.

It isn't silly. They don't allow third party software to control the game. Period. It's simple, allows no wiggle room. It's inconvenient for you, but it's a common rule in MMOGs. There are bot programs available that work in Vanguard. No one here will link them. Even if they do, the links will be removed.

Synergy seems like a good compromise. It doesn't control the game or allow you to do anything automatically that the game itself doesn't provide. It's perfectly in line with the EULA.

[strykr619]

Sorry, no botting. Cute excuse, but botting is still illegal.

HELLO! There is a difference between 2 Boxing and BoTing.... but i guess you have never 2 boxed before have you.

[miir]

Problem is that EQ boxing software like EQW was developed into botting software, so if you get whatever they developed after EQW anti-botting checks might catch you resulting in a ban or at least of lot of trouble explaining.


You are mistaken.
EQW was not developed into botting software.
EQW was simply a program that allowed EQ to run in windowed mode.

They wanted the Everquest client to be secure from interacting with scripting and macroing programs. They did this by blocking the user from interacting with any other programs that were running on their PC.
By allowing EQ to run in windowed mode EQW enabled users to interactively use scripting tools for botting. It also made the devs uneasy because a 3rd party program was interfacing with the client in an unintended fashion.

So EQW was not used for botting, but it did facilitate the use of those types of programs.

It didn't really matter in the end as they caved in and gave the game client native windowed support.


This doesn't really apply to Vanguard as the client natively supports windowed operation.

[Hatto]

EQW was not developed into botting software.
Never intended to say EQW is/was botting software, I am well aware what it does and why it was needed. But what followed in terms of development after EQW is a different thing, don't want to name names here.

[Spottycat]

I thought I might take the plunge and level another toon up and given my kids play occassionally I thought it might be fun to use 3 accounts and 2 box when they arnt playing.

The only problem is Im clueless on the best software to manage a seperate box (and the other compluter is literally in another room so playing both accounts manually at the same time is out of the question).

Any one got a suggestion on the best software to 2 box with vanguard?

Tia :)

P.S. Preferably nothing that comes with cheats - they really ruin a game :/

Yeah, I'm afraid to give more of the `positive` feedback.

I'm not aware of any remote software that will allow you to viewport what that other computer is up to on your main machine. The frame rates for most of them are too crappy and a lot of them wouldn't support the graphics that Vanguard needs to display... You'll have to move the second box closer or find a way to run *shudder* 2 clients of Vanguard on one machine without making it 'splode.

But, to the rest of you folks who aren't creative enough to figure out that he wasn't asking for `botting` software. Shame on you. Not everyone is a cheater like Axem/Mexa of Ebondust. (http://www.silkyvenom.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19986)

[Vithar]

HELLO! There is a difference between 2 Boxing and BoTing.... but i guess you have never 2 boxed before have you.

If one of them box plays without you needing to press a button, it's botting.

[Loampounder]

HELLO! There is a difference between 2 Boxing and BoTing.... but i guess you have never 2 boxed before have you.

Might want to try reading the thread.

[miir]

If one of them box plays without you needing to press a button, it's botting.

That was not the OP's request eventhough the wording in the original post was a bit awkward.

[Vithar]

That was not the OP's request eventhough the wording in the original post was a bit awkward.

Aye, I know.

The only problem is Im clueless on the best software to manage a seperate box (and the other compluter is literally in another room so playing both accounts manually at the same time is out of the question).

This is the part that implies that the software will be running the second computer, in another room . It's tricksy :D

[mrbandersnatch]

Aye, I know.



This is the part that implies that the software will be running the second computer, in another room . It's tricksy :D

I see your point. In hindsight I should have been asking about a "software KVM" bit without the Mouse or Video part ;)

[liliputt]

You can run 2 clients on 1 PC using the program Sandboxie

http://www.sandboxie.com/

It allows to versions of VG to be run at the same time on both machines.

[mrbandersnatch]

You can run 2 clients on 1 PC using the program Sandboxie

http://www.sandboxie.com/

It allows to versions of VG to be run at the same time on both machines.

Interesting. Again have you personally tested this?

[liliputt]

Yeah i tried it and it worked - helped me xfer stuff between my 2 accounts instead of mailing the stuff. Turned graphics to high performance so it sure didnt look good but it worked. Core 2 duo e6600 with 2gb ram and 7800gtx card with 256mb ram.

[Bubbels]

Sorry, no botting. Cute excuse, but botting is still illegal.

LOL. When I started reading this thread, I just knew that the first response would be just like this.

I would almost be that you would want a second machine. Off course the major key to boxing is setting up macros. Macros are pretty good in this game, and I bet you could setup just two macros to handle the majority of your in combat situations.

Also its a common courtesy to let other players know that you are boxing if you group with them.

Anyhow... on the software issue. If you are not going to go with a second machine. I know that EQ has software like EQWindows and EQPlayNice, I believe. Not sure anything exists for this game as of yet. More or less software that allows you to manage multiple game windows on one machine.

[Genda]

Or, you could make a friend and adventure together.

LOL, Oh, NM, what was I thinking?

[Kurron Nye]

I thought I might take the plunge and level another toon up and given my kids play occassionally I thought it might be fun to use 3 accounts and 2 box when they arnt playing.

The only problem is Im clueless on the best software to manage a seperate box (and the other compluter is literally in another room so playing both accounts manually at the same time is out of the question).

Any one got a suggestion on the best software to 2 box with vanguard?

Tia :)

P.S. Preferably nothing that comes with cheats - they really ruin a game :/

You can do what you want but it will take two computers BUT you can do this cheaply.

The second box can be just a peice of crap PC that will run VG at minimum spec or less because its not what you will actually be playing on.

You share the monitor w/ a monitor switch. Let the other PC have its own k/b & mouse (but you wont be using those for the most part). Instead plug in a Nostromo Game Pad (like the N52) and program its buttons for your second toons most common actions, for example:

Target you and autofollow
Cast a heal on you
Set the defensive target to you
Recall
etc etc

Its basically all about setting up VG's in-game macro keys, then remapping the Nostomo's macro keys to your VG keybindings.

To make sure the cheap PC keeps up, disable sound on it totally, and force the screen resolution down to 800x600 and turn EVERYTHING to minium settings.

You will miss out on doing stuff like reactions and chains since you cant see or hear them.

Its not botting, since you are ATK and in control of the second toons actions
You just keep the Nostromo Gamepad close to your main PCs keyboard for easy access.

Its also nothing new by a long shot..people have been doing this since EQ was born in 1999 (though it was more popular to run 2 instances of EQ on the same PC, but I think everyones PC would implode if they tried that with VG).

[mrbandersnatch]

Yeah i tried it and it worked - helped me xfer stuff between my 2 accounts instead of mailing the stuff. Turned graphics to high performance so it sure didnt look good but it worked. Core 2 duo e6600 with 2gb ram and 7800gtx card with 256mb ram.

Gave it a shot today, worked a treat. Thanks lilputt.

For reference Athlon 3200+, 2GB, x1950pro - perfectly acceptable performance at highest performance settings and audio disabled.

[maeglir]

Here's how I got my comps laid out 3boxin!

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb65/macross_2007/3box.jpg

[Nikonius]

Here's how I got my comps laid out 3boxin!

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb65/macross_2007/3box.jpg

Dude you need a bigger desk! lol

[Majin]

BS you dont need any extra software

I have been able to successfully 2box VG with 2 accounts on one machine. You only need WinXP Prof and 2 User Accounts. Along with that 2 seperate VG installations.

It will not work on 1 account (VG will detect it), it will also not work with 1 installation because of temp files/shaders created while starting VG.

Its easy to switch between the accounts with the windows key on your keyboard....

[mrbandersnatch]

BS you dont need any extra software

I have been able to successfully 2box VG with 2 accounts on one machine. You only need WinXP Prof and 2 User Accounts. Along with that 2 seperate VG installations.

It will not work on 1 account (VG will detect it), it will also not work with 1 installation because of temp files/shaders created while starting VG.

Its easy to switch between the accounts with the windows key on your keyboard....

I didnt know that would work either! Cheers Majin.

Ive been using sandboxie quite successfully now (although with occasional crashes PROBABLY due to my only having 2 GB of ram - I probably get 1 crash an hour as opposed to 1 crash every 3 hours if I playing a single account).

[Arkanciel]

You won't have mouse control - but you most likely don't need that.


That will block his loot capability.

To loot you need a mouse.

I think the application Multiplicity can do it. But I am not sure if EULA will permit it. It is a software that help to play 2 game on 1 screen.

Multiplicity is like a KVM switch without the need of one, the switch will be software... so all you need to do, is put your cursor at the right side of screen to pass to the other computer... you keep the same keyboard and mouse.

Multiplicity got some issues with Eq2... I am not sure he will not get issues with Vanguard.

My only hope is, when you will find a good solution, please post your result back here. :D

Arkanciel
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[elorei]

That will block his loot capability.

To loot you need a mouse.

/targetnextcorpse

/loot

/lootall

[Bhima_LS]

Fyi, for a large part of the last ten years or so I multi-boxed Ultima Online with one monitor and two computers. I used a keyboard/mouse/monitor switching device such as those made by omniview and black box.

I had two computers plugging into the omniview, and then a button would switch between the views.

It works great, and I have successfully done stuff like have one of my characters hit another, switched to view the damage, write it down, switch back and heal, etc.

I still would hit all my own keys, but I would have two clients on two machines toggling back and forth on the same monitor--nothing illegal involved nor against any game rules since all actions are manual.

[Multiplex]

/targetnextcorpse

/loot

/lootall

This even works for "looting" resource nodes since they are treated as corpses.