Bard's and PvP

[KanaeNight]

First off Invis in general should not work while your in combat period.

Secondly before I start keep your find see invs comments to yourself.

1) Bards can and do follow people around invsible / snaring them there is nothing you can do to stop this:
- you cant log they have you agro
- you cant see them to attack
- petition? sure you have an extra 3 days to wait
Best you can do is just /exit come back later.

2) Even with see invs on bard song will drop them from agro list and kick them off your targeting
- causes all kinds of issues with attacking

3) Bard invs + lev
- well you cant even see them at all even when they are attacking you

Fix?
Its really simple make all reinvs impossible in combat

[WarZephyr]

Bro, thats one of our only pros in pvp.

by myself, without invis, i would be destroyed by any class.

wut class do u play?

[Gecon]

Thats correct. Still WITH this skill you're invincible, and thats even less unbalanced. There shouldnt be a single class that, even worse through a single feature, can rule every other class.

In an ideal game, every class would stand a chance against every other class. This can't be done in a typical fantasy rule system, as some classes have specific weaknesses and theres always another class that can exploit said weakness just too well. Still no class should be superior to all other classes, so the second best you can do is make every class have another class that is in the advantage.

So maybe the devs should give bards a Silence song. This way bards would be the fear opponent for all caster classes. Or maybe give them a song that allows all spells, but has a high chance to break healing spells. This way Bards would be a class that can actually kill healers.



Still I dont agree with disallowing invis in battle completely. A sorcerer or psionist can invis you during battle, too, even if it makes little sense. Bard invis should break if you attack, and stay broken until you haven't attacked for 6 secs or something. It shouldn't be completely disabled in battle, and if the bard (or any of his group members) does NOT attack but is only attacked, the invis should be reapplied as fast as before.

Besides attacks, it should also not be possible to heal someone and stay invis. Same goes for harvesting, and using items (such as treasure chests, quest items on the ground etc). All passive, non-aggressive skills, such as buffing, should however keep the invis state.

[Drekor]

The issue I see is target breaking constantly as a blood mage I have my blood unions to think about every time that invis goes off I loose my target even if I have true sight which means I loose all my blood union. That's not a big issue in 1v1 because well... it's a bard... and I'm a blood mage. In group pvp though it sucks pretty bad trying to drop a sorc or something that is going in and out of invis constantly and moving at 200+% speeds with levitate.

Allow true sight to not get screwy with it and I'm good, people not comming prepared with true sight is there own fault imo.

[KanaeNight]

Bro, thats one of our only pros in pvp.

by myself, without invis, i would be destroyed by any class.

wut class do u play?

Well since you asked I play a Paladin.

As a bard you can quite easily kite me to death without this abusive power.

Every bard in the game that I have talked to harrasses people with invs/snare. Every bard that I have talked to abuses lev/invs.

They all do this because petitions take days to be answered and they never get banned for it.

So you think that your invs breaking you from the target even when people have see invs is fair because you dps but cant take dps?

[Scorbane]

So maybe the devs should give bards a Silence song. This way bards would be the fear opponent for all caster classes. Or maybe give them a song that allows all spells, but has a high chance to break healing spells. This way Bards would be a class that can actually kill healers.


Sendune's Scream of Silence - round level 42 I believe... ten second silencing shout - not there yet so can't comfirm exact level.

[WarZephyr]

How about this,

I would agree with you that our invis is a bit unfair and by some players, abused.

But in an instant i would choose higher dps over the invis song we have right now.

So pretty much I agree with you, and understand why you are upset about this, but bro can you admit that Bards need more dps, because although we can kite, we werent ment completely for that, all of our attacks are melee based, so shouldnt we be able to do some damage in melee?

just my 2 cents

Cheers

[Rulan]

Bro, thats one of our only pros in pvp.

by myself, without invis, i would be destroyed by any class.

wut class do u play?


then you suck, learn to play

[Pipkin]

Silence song never made it to release.

[WarZephyr]

then you suck, learn to play

Ouch.

Low blow dude.

[Bunr]

Its ok now, bards have more particle affects.