AMD Dells

[Orlun]

Is my new Dell AMD system here yet?

Soon! (http://www.tgdaily.com/2005/11/21/dell_amd/index.html)

[Tracker]

You did the linky thing backwards :)

[Orlun]

What, me proofread? ;)

[Liin]

Are we seeing the fall of the great Intel? AMD is picking up steam in recent times and I for one am happy. Competition is always a good thing.

[Orlun]

Are we seeing the fall of the great Intel? AMD is picking up steam in recent times and I for one am happy. Competition is always a good thing.

I think we're seeing Dell finally giving up their stubborness and trying to get in on the AMD loot.

Intel is 10 times bigger then AMD. They have the reserves to survive a period of second place CPU's

Looking at their forcast in tech R&D, they may be able to beat AMD by fabricating at 32 nm while AMD is at 45nm. 32nm fabrication is scheduled to begin in 2009.

[Razorwire]

I think we're seeing Dell finally giving up their stubborness and trying to get in on the AMD loot.

Intel is 10 times bigger then AMD. They have the reserves to survive a period of second place CPU's

Looking at their forcast in tech R&D, they may be able to beat AMD by fabricating at 32 nm while AMD is at 45nm. 32nm fabrication is scheduled to begin in 2009.

But the problem here is that Intel needs to divorce itself from it's bus system and totally re-engineer it's lines to be more power effiecent and start to make use of dual core technology. But while Intel is working on it's first dual core chips, AMD is working on it's quad core chips. A faster bus isn't important symetric multiprocessing is the way of the future.

I have been using AMD since the K6-2 and I have never looked at another Intel chip since.

[Orlun]

Yep, AMD has the ball right now.

But, a few minor facts.
1. Intel announced quad core chips back in May of this year. They are on schedule with them for 2007 deployment.
2. They've also pretty much given up on the netburst architecture so all the newer intel designs are more... 'AMD like'
3. Intel's had dual core for awhile now. I've been running a dual core intel system for almost three months.

So, their not exactly sleeping in the ditches either. AMD will have to keep innovating and improving or face being overtaken.

All in all, great for the consumer.

[Fozzik]

Yep, AMD has the ball right now.

But, a few minor facts.
1. Intel announced quad core chips back in May of this year. They are on schedule with them for 2007 deployment.
2. They've also pretty much given up on the netburst architecture so all the newer intel designs are more... 'AMD like'
3. Intel's had dual core for awhile now. I've been running a dual core intel system for almost three months.

So, their not exactly sleeping in the ditches either. AMD will have to keep innovating and improving or face being overtaken.

All in all, great for the consumer.

Well, make sure you have the context of the facts as well...
1. AMD is also on schedule for quad-core in 2007, and actually has an architecture and platform for sale right now that could be moved to quad-core. Intel has plans and roadmaps, but their current dual-core architecture is very bad and will have to be replaced, and their current platform is not at all good for more cores (bottlenecked FSB bandwidth, among other things).

2. True, they have given up the netburst architecture, and are finally looking at a much improved design. Keep in mind though, that the newer architecture is still set for the second half of next year... and until then they are going to continue selling versions of netburst. The drop to 65nm will help with some of netburst's issues (heat, power) but not fix many of the inherent problems with the architecture that hold back it's performance.

3. Intel has only had dual-core because at the last minute they threw together a design that is extremely innefficient and in all reality shouldn't be called "dual-core"...since the two cores can't even communicate with each other without using the front-side bus. They had not planned for dual-core, and it shows. Some of their future dual-core architectures will be better...but it's difficult to say how much better since they have so many different ones "planned" for the next 8 months or so.

Intel did fall asleep for a long time, and is a full year or more behind AMD technology-wise, especially when it comes to gaming and small server environments. It's going to take more than just "keeping up" for them to get rid of their deficit.

Dell has never offered AMD for one simple reason... money. Intel offers Dell deep discounts and incentives because Dell doesn't sell AMD. Now that AMD's lawsuit is proceeding, which is shining a spotlight on deals exactly like the one with Dell, and also now that apple will be using Intel chips exclusively (Dell is not happy about having another competitor for the "intel-only" lovefest), Dell is probably feeling a little more receptive. Also, they cannot ignore the fact that their small servers and high-end desktops are getting their clocks cleaned by the competition's AMD-based machines.

[nubbins]

what in gods name go dell ? you cant overclock them at all except for the high end models

[Orlun]

I get them through work. Corprate account. :p

Easy to pass on too.

[Breogan]

Intel did fall asleep for a long time, and is a full year or more behind AMD technology-wise, especially when it comes to gaming and small server environments. It's going to take more than just "keeping up" for them to get rid of their deficit.
And the Opteron is taking over the Supercomputing world. Xeon and Itanium are losing market share at a really fast pace.
On a side note, this might be related to the lawsuit against Intel, so judges can't say Dell does offer nothing but Intel. I'll believe they've started doing AMD64 when I start hearing news of people getting them :)

[Fozzik]

Not everyone overclocks... and many people like the ease of ownership that comes with buying a pre-built system. There's nothing wrong with Dell in general, I like their monitors just fine. You just have to pay close attention to what you're getting, and understand how Dell works. For instance...don't buy their printers. ;)

If they start offering AMD, I would probably have little issue with recommending Dell to someone if they want a reasonable pre-built gaming system. Their support is nothing to write home about, but you generally get a solid, well-built machine from them that works.