Democrates to revive fairness doctrin?

[Grib]

Democrates are contemplating reviving the Fairness doctren. This pice of legislature would force all radio stations to give equal amounts of air time to both the rite and the left. As it stands now AM radio is dominated by conserviatvies and the rite.

It is obviously a political issue with the intent to control speach.

How are they going to decide what constitutes what? What are they going to do if a conservitave democrate or liberal republican talks on the air?

The Dems dont like whats being said so their just going to get rid of freedome of speach? Dems have accused Bush and the rite of atempting to take freedomes away but now the left is talking about comeing out and doing it? Moronic.
This is so stupid. Im to tired to actualy explain to idiot why this is so wrong.
Im sure that if AM was dominated by the left and republicans tryed the same thing it would be a violation of the constitution and the next step into comunisim. Since its the dems doing it it doesnt matter tho.

The next time i hear a liberal talking about freedomes or rites im going to kick the ****ing shit out of them. Air America was on and NO ONE LISTENED TO IT. Its not the nazi right-wings who are responsable for the conserviative air wavsm its a matter of supply and demand in the market place. Theres no demand for liberal talk radio, why foce it?

What a bunch of politcal cry babies. People say things we dont agree with so lets make it agaisnt the law. How is that not socialism or comunisim?

Im to tired to SPchk this. Good night and go to hell.

[Kriptical]

Democrates are contemplating reviving the Fairness doctren. This pice of legislature would force all radio stations to give equal amounts of air time to both the rite and the left. As it stands now AM radio is dominated by conserviatvies and the rite.

It is obviously a political issue with the intent to control speach.

How are they going to decide what constitutes what? What are they going to do if a conservitave democrate or liberal republican talks on the air?

The Dems dont like whats being said so their just going to get rid of freedome of speach? Dems have accused Bush and the rite of atempting to take freedomes away but now the left is talking about comeing out and doing it? Moronic.
This is so stupid. Im to tired to actualy explain to idiot why this is so wrong.
Im sure that if AM was dominated by the left and republicans tryed the same thing it would be a violation of the constitution and the next step into comunisim. Since its the dems doing it it doesnt matter tho.

The next time i hear a liberal talking about freedomes or rites im going to kick the ****ing shit out of them. Air America was on and NO ONE LISTENED TO IT. Its not the nazi right-wings who are responsable for the conserviative air wavsm its a matter of supply and demand in the market place. Theres no demand for liberal talk radio, why foce it?

What a bunch of politcal cry babies. People say things we dont agree with so lets make it agaisnt the law. How is that not socialism or comunisim?

Im to tired to SPchk this. Good night and go to hell.

/shrug...I dont think they should mess with it, just too difficult to quantify. Although the value of "talk radio" to influence and herd lemmings certainly has impressed me over the last decade. It's profoundly dissapointing as well but thats another thread.. I will say one of the best laugh's in the last few months I've had was one poster on a board calling another poster "too dumb to get Rush (limbaugh). Now thats what I call the shallow section of the gene pool =x :fishman:

[Vryce]

Since when is it not unconstitutional for the government to regulate political content?

[kildest]

Since when is it not unconstitutional for the government to regulate political content?

This page is a perfect example of why they should regulate dumbasses:

http://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page

[jonyak]

Wow, just wow. The hypocrisy in this post astounds me.:eek:

[Vryce]

This page is a perfect example of why they should regulate dumbasses:

http://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page

Freedom of speech applies ESPECIALLY to those you disagree with. Or it doesn't apply at all.

[Grib]

Since when is it not unconstitutional for the government to regulate political content?

Since the Dems took power, it seems.

Its public air waves and sencoring polilitical opinion like that is agasint the law. Of course if the Reppubs tryed to do this to Hollywood or the TV libs would be up in arms and the world would be coming to an end.

Liberal raido had its chanse and faild misserably. The Dems know that if this goes into law it wont actualy happen but that radio stations will just stop airing any kind of political talk at all because they know no one wants to listen to the liberal half. No one wants to hear rosies 9/11 conspeiracys or that we should wipe the criminal record from 12million unskilled poor people then pay for their medical care only to screw the working middle class over again.

I hear people quoting stupid sounding things that people like Rush say all the time, its only because he and others reviel so meny damning things about the left. Its merly an atempt to fire back, much like this "fairness" idea.

[Abbzug]

Err, the Fairness Doctrine applied to radio AND broadcast TV. It wouldn't apply to Hollywood since that's privately owned. Radio and broadcast TV are technically allowed to exist to serve the public good since the airwaves are publicly owned. Broadcast TV stations and radio stations exist at the mercy of the people, not at their expense.

[Grib]

Err, the Fairness Doctrine applied to radio AND broadcast TV. It wouldn't apply to Hollywood since that's privately owned. Radio and broadcast TV are technically allowed to exist to serve the public good since the airwaves are publicly owned. Broadcast TV stations and radio stations exist at the mercy of the people, not at their expense.

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In case you hadent noticed, your TV provider is a private company, unless of course you still have bunny ears. Cable and sat dominate the market. Hollywood is a place and is not all private proporty. However the movie studios there are owned just like Turner, Fox, NBC, HBO, CBS or any other TV network.

TV movies and the radio are all(mostly) produced by private corps for the pourpose of making money. The TV and radio waves are not public a service! In any case that dose not change the fact that this law is nothing more than a means to censor free speach. I dont think dems in question even know what a frequancy is. Alls they know is AM radio has alot of cosnervative talk radio DJs and they want to stop it cause they happen to be of the other opnion.

Yes they exisist at the mercy of the people but only in the since that if no one watches or listens it wont get paid for. How meny complaints did Howard Stern get before he was in any trouble? just because some people didnt like him didnt mean it was ok to just take off of the air because of nothign more than a feeling.

What the dems want to enforce is nothing more than emotional reasoning and political cheating.

[Vryce]

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In case you hadent noticed, your TV provider is a private company, unless of course you still have bunny ears. Cable and sat dominate the market. Hollywood is a place and is not all private proporty. However the movie studios there are owned just like Turner, Fox, NBC, HBO, CBS or any other TV network.

TV movies and the radio are all(mostly) produced by private corps for the pourpose of making money. The TV and radio waves are not public a service! In any case that dose not change the fact that this law is nothing more than a means to censor free speach. I dont think dems in question even know what a frequancy is. Alls they know is AM radio has alot of cosnervative talk radio DJs and they want to stop it cause they happen to be of the other opnion.

Yes they exisist at the mercy of the people but only in the since that if no one watches or listens it wont get paid for. How meny complaints did Howard Stern get before he was in any trouble? just because some people didnt like him didnt mean it was ok to just take off of the air because of nothign more than a feeling.

What the dems want to enforce is nothing more than emotional reasoning and political cheating.

Actually Abbzug has a point. The rationalization/loophole that allows the government to possibly control the content of radio and broadcast TV (yes...the bunny ears, not cable or satellite) has to do with the public ownership of the medium that the content providers use to reach us...specifically the "airwaves". Radio and broadcast TV airwaves are publicly owned (government owned) and controlled/doled out by government agencies.

The fairness doctrine can never apply to cable, satellite, cell phone, internet or other privately owned and operated networks.

[jonyak]

I think the fact is that american minds are being poisoned and controled by the conservatives. If that is all they hear then yes the people will begin to beleive it because people are stupid and cannot think for themselves.

There are ALOT of dems in the states that want to hear some of there own stuff, not the filthy hate and fearmongering that cons spread.

[Vryce]

I think the fact is that american minds are being poisoned and controled by the conservatives. If that is all they hear then yes the people will begin to beleive it because people are stupid and cannot think for themselves.

There are ALOT of dems in the states that want to hear some of there own stuff, not the filthy hate and fearmongering that cons spread.

Yeah. Conservatives are evil and/or stupid!

[jonyak]

Yeah. Conservatives are evil and/or stupid!

ya I guess so are liberals?:confused:

[Grib]

ya I guess so are liberals?:confused:

Well whos the one talking about censorship and poison jonyak? Its YOU. Your the one who thinks that any opnion that doesnt agree with yours is vial and needs to be scilesed via govrenment intervention. Besdies that the coment you replyed to wasnt implying that liberals are evil it was merely critisizing your statment. So does that mean you cant even take the simplest of critasisms? Why are you so defensive?
It like i alerady said, the left had its fair chanse on AM radio and failed. If you want to hear somethign else just turn to FM or any of the other one million media outlets. Also please explain to me why AM radio usualy tells ALOT of the story that major news outlets fail to explain. IS the truth about imigration, the billions of dollars that it sucks, the filth that you were talking about? It sounds to me more like you just dont want people to know the truth. Its not that people cant think for themslefs its that the "news" outlets refuse to report on the real numbers. Why is it that you are so ready to implament govrenment censorship just for politcal gains. Itsnt it the libs who always cry wolf about their voices being scilenced and how its not fair? Why is it that when the tables are turned it has nothing to do with things like freedom of speach or any number of other things you people throw around?
Your words are hallow and your feelings are hurt. Why dont you take the emotional reasoning and kill your self. Nobody likes an EMO. Hell im bipolar and even i know how idiotic it is to make decisions based on irrational emotions.
Ahh i feel upset when people dont like me, we need big brother to come help us!
There are times when big borther needs to step in but the libs dont realy care about freedoms or whats rite, they just usualy serve themselvs.

[jonyak]

Well whos the one talking about censorship and poison jonyak? Its YOU. Your the one who thinks that any opnion that doesnt agree with yours is vial and needs to be scilesed via govrenment intervention. Besdies that the coment you replyed to wasnt implying that liberals are evil it was merely critisizing your statment. So does that mean you cant even take the simplest of critasisms? Why are you so defensive?
It like i alerady said, the left had its fair chanse on AM radio and failed. If you want to hear somethign else just turn to FM or any of the other one million media outlets. Also please explain to me why AM radio usualy tells ALOT of the story that major news outlets fail to explain. IS the truth about imigration, the billions of dollars that it sucks, the filth that you were talking about? It sounds to me more like you just dont want people to know the truth. Its not that people cant think for themslefs its that the "news" outlets refuse to report on the real numbers. Why is it that you are so ready to implament govrenment censorship just for politcal gains. Itsnt it the libs who always cry wolf about their voices being scilenced and how its not fair? Why is it that when the tables are turned it has nothing to do with things like freedom of speach or any number of other things you people throw around?
Your words are hallow and your feelings are hurt. Why dont you take the emotional reasoning and kill your self. Nobody likes an EMO. Hell im bipolar and even i know how idiotic it is to make decisions based on irrational emotions.
Ahh i feel upset when people dont like me, we need big brother to come help us!
There are times when big borther needs to step in but the libs dont realy care about freedoms or whats rite, they just usualy serve themselvs.

hypocrite 101.

I am defensive because asshole rightwingers attack everything about liberals and all but call them the devil all the while they steal elections and start false wars all the while cashing in on it and letting there criminal buddies off free.

[Vryce]

hypocrite 101.

I am defensive because asshole rightwingers attack everything about liberals and all but call them the devil all the while they steal elections and start false wars all the while cashing in on it and letting there criminal buddies off free.

And in response you want to give those people more power over the speech of others. Great thinking!

[jonyak]

And in response you want to give those people more power over the speech of others. Great thinking!

is it really free speech when one party dominates a whole section of radio? do you think these stations allow certain biases in there business?

[Diablo]

The conservatives hold a monopoly over talk radio... they invested heavily during the 1980s in media sources like talk radio to spread their version of truth.

In the corporate world what happens when a company forms a monopoly? They break the company up into smaller parts to allow for fair competition across the marketplace. This idea is used to make sure companies do not overprice their goods and helps to evolve the development of new and innovative technology through competitive business.

A monopoly on thoughts and opinion means that new and sometimes opposing opinions do not get heard and therefore the evolution of ideas and problem solving grinds to a halt.

A one sided version of ideas will shape young minds in the direction of those thoughts because they have no understanding or basis to disagree with this information. This is dangerous because it only takes one or two generations to instill ideas into beliefs and beliefs into faith, and those generations will shape the world based on an unbalanced perspective. Conflict is a result of an imbalance in priority, belief, and ignorance.

[Vryce]

is it really free speech when one party dominates a whole section of radio?

If the continuing existence of these shows is contingent on the forces of a free market, then yes...it's free speech.

I've yet to see anyone show me that these conservative shows dominate for a reason other than winning the competition in the free market.

[Vryce]

A monopoly on thoughts and opinion means that new and sometimes opposing opinions do not get heard and therefore the evolution of ideas and problem solving grinds to a halt.

A one sided version of ideas will shape young minds in the direction of those thoughts because they have no understanding or basis to disagree with this information. This is dangerous because it only takes one or two generations to instill ideas into beliefs and beliefs into faith, and those generations will shape the world based on an unbalanced perspective. Conflict is a result of an imbalance in priority, belief, and ignorance.

Have you ever been to college? Please don't pull this "monopoly of thought" about radio when thoughts in our schools are monopolized as well.

The barrier of entry for AM radio is no where near high enough for any conservative entity to hold a monopoly over it. Conservative talk radio dominates because it's profitable and liberal talk radio is not. That's it. Pretty simple.

If you think otherwise, I have to wonder why you aren't working on putting together your own talk radio enterprise to take advantage of an untapped market.

[Abbzug]

It's funny when you consider the difference between conservative bastions like TV and radio and liberal bastions like the internet. Conservatives have really dominated the former two mediums, but they haven't been able to expand into the internet except with fairly amateurish looking efforts. I'm not sure why that is. Maybe conservatives simply prefer a more passive and docile medium, while liberals gravitate to the internet since it fosters more critical thinking and interactivity.

[Abbzug]

Your words are hallow and your feelings are hurt. Why dont you take the emotional reasoning and kill your self.


Not trying to be offensive since I don't know how old you are and if English is your first language or not, but you should really consider taking some English classes at your local community college.

[Grib]

Not trying to be offensive since I don't know how old you are and if English is your first language or not, but you should really consider taking some English classes at your local community college.

Is that your only thought? If thats all you can come up with i suggest you leave lets you make any argument that you want me to plunder.
It's funny when you consider the difference between conservative bastions like TV and radio and liberal bastions like the internet. Conservatives have really dominated the former two mediums, but they haven't been able to expand into the internet except with fairly amateurish looking efforts. I'm not sure why that is. Maybe conservatives simply prefer a more passive and docile medium, while liberals gravitate to the internet since it fosters more critical thinking and interactivity.

Realy? It does that? If this statment wasnt made here ied ask if you had ever been on the internet. Every liberal blog ive ever been to is just a bunch of hate speach and insults thrown on a page with a few meaningless coments posted. Some of the most famous lib blogs are nothign but idiot coments and political "humor," no real dialouge or thoughts any where on them. Ive never been to a right blog and i realy dont care. On the internet any thought the bloger doesnt like in the coments gets deleted in a matter of seconds. How exaclty is it that any conservative cyberspace is amateurish compared to that? I could list all the good conservative sites but you would just say their bull shit since you dissagree with them so it doesnt matter. Yours was a loaded statment to begin with.

hypocrite 101.

I am defensive because asshole rightwingers attack everything about liberals and all but call them the devil all the while they steal elections and start false wars all the while cashing in on it and letting there criminal buddies off free.

Wrong again. I started this thread and i was being offinsive, not defensive. Aside from that it wasnt me who started the idiot war or "stole" the election.

The conservatives hold a monopoly over talk radio... they invested heavily during the 1980s in media sources like talk radio to spread their version of truth.

In the corporate world what happens when a company forms a monopoly? They break the company up into smaller parts to allow for fair competition across the marketplace. This idea is used to make sure companies do not overprice their goods and helps to evolve the development of new and innovative technology through competitive business.

A monopoly on thoughts and opinion means that new and sometimes opposing opinions do not get heard and therefore the evolution of ideas and problem solving grinds to a halt.

A one sided version of ideas will shape young minds in the direction of those thoughts because they have no understanding or basis to disagree with this information. This is dangerous because it only takes one or two generations to instill ideas into beliefs and beliefs into faith, and those generations will shape the world based on an unbalanced perspective. Conflict is a result of an imbalance in priority, belief, and ignorance.

Please dont post things this stupid. We all already know that Air America failed and not because the rite had a monopoly on all the good station numbers.

Wait WHAT? Ok so then i geuss we should just forget about the enviroment. Ban all talk about global warming so that feature generations wont make the mistake of not poluting. We wouldnt want our grand kids to have faith that goop in the air is bad since a few people say global warming is just alot of hot air. Your a genius you know that? The left will come up with any philosphical reason to talk against some thing if it goes against their view. The fact that you think the whole would is at fault for not agreeing with everythign you say...well, it makes you a jackass.


Every argument against talk radio has been based on NOTHING other than a difference of opnion. You all talk about the filth and venom that comes from talk radio and yet, if it wernt for people like Glen Beck or Lou Dobbs, millions more Americans would have NO IDEA what is actualy going on at our boarder, in govrenment, or around the world. I can only guess that if you hate AM radio its because you hate that people know the truth. People are not indocrinated with ideas in the radio as much as they are by the truth.


Oh and happy 4th of July. I hope a 30'' shell falls on your lap.

[Diablo]

Please don't pull this "monopoly of thought" about radio when thoughts in our schools are monopolized as well.

Conservative talk radio dominates because it's profitable and liberal talk radio is not. That's it. Pretty simple.

"Monopolies of thought," are present in religions, schools, households, politics, talk radio, etc. That doesn't make any of them okay, too many people try to discard valid arguments because something also unfairly exists in another sphere of the media or the world.

What we are talking about right now is the fairness doctrine and more specifically about talk radio. We can make a new thread to discuss any of those topics if you want but please stay focused.

People create thoughts by associating previous experiences and emotions with new ideas and concepts. If someone is fed the same thought over and over through a variety of different voices with similar mindsets then a person generally will agree with the consensus. The problem is that the majority is not always correct. Difference of opinion is what allows us to find the best outcome. Unfortunately too many people have limited beliefs that serve as a wall to things that are different.

If you need to hear your opinion over and over through someone else just to confirm that you believe it then I can understand your fear of change. Unfortunately like love, and truth, change is a constant

[QforQ]

Oh and happy 4th of July. I hope a 30'' shell falls on your lap.
You're trying to call "libs" out for all the stupid shit they do and then you're hoping one of us dies over a political disagreement? That is some pretty stupid shit right there. It's people like you that give any political party a bad name.

I hate militant liberals and I hate militant republicans. You are just driving people away from your parties, not bringing them to you.

[Vryce]

What we are talking about right now is the fairness doctrine and more specifically about talk radio. We can make a new thread to discuss any of those topics if you want but please stay focused.

People create thoughts by associating previous experiences and emotions with new ideas and concepts. If someone is fed the same thought over and over through a variety of different voices with similar mindsets then a person generally will agree with the consensus. The problem is that the majority is not always correct. Difference of opinion is what allows us to find the best outcome. Unfortunately too many people have limited beliefs that serve as a wall to things that are different.

If you need to hear your opinion over and over through someone else just to confirm that you believe it then I can understand your fear of change. Unfortunately like love, and truth, change is a constant

It's funny that you think I'm against the fairness doctrine because I "fear change". I'm against it because it gives a power to the government that I don't believe the government should have.

Put it this way: I'm conservative. I think Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage, Michael Medved, Mike Gallagher and Bill Bennett are painful to listen to. I cringe often listening to any one of them. They make me feel stupid to be conservative. However, I have yet to see any evidence showing that any one of them got the popularity and profitability they enjoy by unsavory means. As such, they have every right to continue with their shows. If anyone wants to compete with more left leaning content, there are plenty of AM stations available...the barrier of entry into AM radio is very low.

Besides, there are plenty of places to get information and opinion. Television is full of left wing viewpoints as long as you stay away from Fox News. The internet has views from the entire spectrum. Newspapers are a good source for multiple views. Anyone that gets all their political views from the radio is bound to be ignorant no matter what those viewpoints are.

It's funny when you consider the difference between conservative bastions like TV and radio and liberal bastions like the internet. Conservatives have really dominated the former two mediums, but they haven't been able to expand into the internet except with fairly amateurish looking efforts. I'm not sure why that is. Maybe conservatives simply prefer a more passive and docile medium, while liberals gravitate to the internet since it fosters more critical thinking and interactivity.

You're right. Conservatives hate critical thinking. As well as being stupid and evil.

[Diablo]

It's funny that you think I'm against the fairness doctrine because I "fear change". I'm against it because it gives a power to the government that I don't believe the government should have.

Put it this way: I'm conservative. I think Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage, Michael Medved, Mike Gallagher and Bill Bennett are painful to listen to. I cringe often listening to any one of them. They make me feel stupid to be conservative. However, I have yet to see any evidence showing that any one of them got the popularity and profitability they enjoy by unsavory means. As such, they have every right to continue with their shows. If anyone wants to compete with more left leaning content, there are plenty of AM stations available...the barrier of entry into AM radio is very low.

Besides, there are plenty of places to get information and opinion. Television is full of left wing viewpoints as long as you stay away from Fox News. The internet has views from the entire spectrum. Newspapers are a good source for multiple views. Anyone that gets all their political views from the radio is bound to be ignorant no matter what those viewpoints are.

I am not implying that rightwing radio talk show hosts did anything illegal or questionable to have their shows exist in their current state. What I am suggesting is that those shows as a singular collective pollute a balance that could exist.

You seem to be implying that political ignorance is okay by virtue that there are many outlets in which opinion can be expressed other than radio. There are other mediums to discuss and debate and learn from that is correct yet not every individual has the luxury of time or resources or their priorities in order to investigate every issue.

People do however listen to radio when they are making a commute to work or taking a road trip or a day vacation. They view their spare time as more important to their interests, but they pass some time by multi-tasking their mind between the road and the political news of the day. This may be some peoples only source for info who have a hectic schedule, why would you trade a pool of well-rounded opinions informing the public for a one-sided and divisive collection of partisans repeating the same talking points over and over.

It may not be the fairness doctrine that was in place pre-Clinton that will reform the system, but something should be done. Capitalism is about making profit and popularity and the power centers of profit are corporations. A corporation as an entity exists to create profit and many AM stations and rightwing talk show hosts have several corporate sponsors .News should not be a profit driven industry.

The press (media in general) was originally viewed as the 4th branch of the government. It was a check in the check and balance system. There should not be competition when it comes to the truth. Exchange of ideas is the only way to make contrasts and adequately measure the flaws of someones argument.

Conservatives want to keep the game a competitive one because they have the power at this point in time. Luckily the majority of the country feels we have been moving in the wrong political direction

[jonyak]

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Oh and happy 4th of July. I hope a 30'' shell falls on your lap.

my god how can you be such a moron.

First you tell me to kill myself, then you wish death upon half your population. I think your gov't should take a closer look at you, thats some furious hate coming from your mouth.

[Vryce]

I understand your point, Diablo. I just believe that it isn't in a central governments domain to control political debate in any way, shape or form. At least not through indirect politically controlled bureaucracies. No arm of the government should ever have a hand that silences or props up any voice. Ever.

But as with most political debates of this time, it's more about who people trust more: a centralized government that's controlled only indirectly through infrequent voting by an increasingly disinterested public, or inhuman corporate entities controlled entirely by monetary concerns.

Of course, they're coming closer and closer to being one and the same...

[Euphoria]

I don't even understand why this is a plausable argument...Leftist talk radio WAS out there and keeps coming back now and again. They keep going bankrupt because no one is listening or supporting it. So because Liberal talk radio isn't getting support its now become the leftist job to take down conservative radio? You guys are rediculous.

Even if the fairness doctrine passes its not even going to be close to fair, the left is going to make it so there is no such thing as right wing media. I hate the left for that reason, they don't want equality they want to be more equal then everyone else. It disgusts me.

[jonyak]

I don't even understand why this is a plausable argument...Leftist talk radio WAS out there and keeps coming back now and again. They keep going bankrupt because no one is listening or supporting it. So because Liberal talk radio isn't getting support its now become the leftist job to take down conservative radio? You guys are rediculous.

Even if the fairness doctrine passes its not even going to be close to fair, the left is going to make it so there is no such thing as right wing media. I hate the left for that reason, they don't want equality they want to be more equal then everyone else. It disgusts me.

thats bullshit. it is not the left's goal to totaly kill right wing media. They just want there voices to be heard in a medium that is controled by the right.

Hell I could say the same thing about the right. They constantly try to either shut up the liberals or slander them.

[Atoyota]

I hope the liberals do put up some stations, because it will be a failure as a business venture and drain capital from the left.

But then that's why there aren't many if any liberal talk radio stations. Liberals don't generally listen to talk radio, its not in their demographic to do so. So there will be no revenue gained, and I'll be damned if they try to subsidise it.

They talked about getting up some talk radio, with Al Frankin, several years back, but I think the liberals have a better hold on the audio visual media (TV) than the airwaves anyways... They are at the very least, on par with the conservatives. IMO the bias is TV / Liberal, Radio / Conservative. Paper is a mixed bag.

[MagicNumbers]

I hope the liberals do put up some stations, because it will be a failure as a business venture and drain capital from the left.

But then that's why there aren't many if any liberal talk radio stations. Liberals don't generally listen to talk radio, its not in their demographic to do so. So there will be no revenue gained, and I'll be damned if they try to subsidise it.

They talked about getting up some talk radio, with Al Frankin, several years back, but I think the liberals have a better hold on the audio visual media (TV) than the airwaves anyways... They are at the very least, on par with the conservatives. IMO the bias is TV / Liberal, Radio / Conservative. Paper is a mixed bag.

It's not that liberals don't listen to talk radio its that the interests of those on the left are much wider and more diverse than those on the right. It's very difficult for the left to consolidate all of the different interest groups.

[Euphoria]

thats bullshit. it is not the left's goal to totaly kill right wing media. They just want there voices to be heard in a medium that is controled by the right.

Hell I could say the same thing about the right. They constantly try to either shut up the liberals or slander them.

LOL this made me laugh "Its not the left's goal to TOTALLY kill the right wing media...no just partly! lol. Why do your voices even matter on right wing radio? Its RIGHT WING RADIO because its the conservative view, not the lefts view. You shouldn't have a say because its NOT equal radio, its RIGHT WING radio. Yes Right wingers do shut up liberals because you people never seem to have opinions that follow any pattern of logic.

Liberals are rediculous "Not only do their comparisons, similes, and metaphors have no basis in history and no basis in current reality, they have no basis in logic, either. "

[MagicNumbers]

LOL this made me laugh "Its not the left's goal to TOTALLY kill the right wing media...no just partly! lol. Why do your voices even matter on right wing radio? Its RIGHT WING RADIO because its the conservative view, not the lefts view. You shouldn't have a say because its NOT equal radio, its RIGHT WING radio. Yes Right wingers do shut up liberals because you people never seem to have opinions that follow any pattern of logic.

Liberals are rediculous "Not only do their comparisons, similes, and metaphors have no basis in history and no basis in current reality, they have no basis in logic, either. "

Why do you paint people with such a large brush?

[jonyak]

LOL this made me laugh "Its not the left's goal to TOTALLY kill the right wing media...no just partly! lol. Why do your voices even matter on right wing radio? Its RIGHT WING RADIO because its the conservative view, not the lefts view. You shouldn't have a say because its NOT equal radio, its RIGHT WING radio. Yes Right wingers do shut up liberals because you people never seem to have opinions that follow any pattern of logic.

Liberals are rediculous "Not only do their comparisons, similes, and metaphors have no basis in history and no basis in current reality, they have no basis in logic, either. "

hmm thats funny, thats a pretty good description of every conservative I have ever talked to.

where is this hate for the left based?

so far all I have seen is smeer from the right.

[Diablo]

Seriously, though why is left-bashing even part of the equation? We have two wars going on right now that are multiplying the recruits for the "terrorists," we have a shrinking of the middle-class and a strengthening of the top 10% of people in regards to wealth, we have a health-care system that is profit based and is not prioritized to actually help the people, we have expanded the government into a huge bureacratic mess (Homeland Security, FEMA after Katrina), we have Cheney claiming he isn't even part of the executive branch of government, and the list goes on.

We have extreme debts to China, we have lost thousands of jobs to countries overseas, we have no plan on immigration or border security as it relates to terrorists, we have lost billions of dollars that could have been for domestic use to instead fight a war that has no end-game planning, we have de-stabilized the middle-east, we are on a federal level not even acknowledging the concept of climate change, and theres more.

We have engaged in torture ruining our countries moral reputation, we have completely ignored the Geneva convention, we have oil companies making record profits and yet we are the lowest among the list of powerful countries for Miles Per Gallon in our vehicles. This is all a result of the right-wing, the previous congress voted in lock-step to get these bills passed, and the president ok'd every one of them. The left-wing since january has control of the house of representatives, while the senate is 49 to 49 with 1 independent and 1 democrat out because of health issues with brain hemmoraging i believe. Then you still have the executive and judicial branches rules by the right.

[MagicNumbers]

Seriously, though why is left-bashing even part of the equation? We have two wars going on right now that are multiplying the recruits for the "terrorists," we have a shrinking of the middle-class and a strengthening of the top 10% of people in regards to wealth, we have a health-care system that is profit based and is not prioritized to actually help the people, we have expanded the government into a huge bureacratic mess (Homeland Security, FEMA after Katrina), we have Cheney claiming he isn't even part of the executive branch of government, and the list goes on.

We have extreme debts to China, we have lost thousands of jobs to countries overseas, we have no plan on immigration or border security as it relates to terrorists, we have lost billions of dollars that could have been for domestic use to instead fight a war that has no end-game planning, we have de-stabilized the middle-east, we are on a federal level not even acknowledging the concept of climate change, and theres more.

We have engaged in torture ruining our countries moral reputation, we have completely ignored the Geneva convention, we have oil companies making record profits and yet we are the lowest among the list of powerful countries for Miles Per Gallon in our vehicles. This is all a result of the right-wing, the previous congress voted in lock-step to get these bills passed, and the president ok'd every one of them. The left-wing since january has control of the house of representatives, while the senate is 49 to 49 with 1 independent and 1 democrat out because of health issues with brain hemmoraging i believe. Then you still have the executive and judicial branches rules by the right.

Good summary of what the extreme right along with large corporations have done in the name of profit, and at the expense of Joe public.

[Grib]

Good summary of what the extreme right along with large corporations have done in the name of profit, and at the expense of Joe public.

Thats a nice try but its not totaly corect. The last time i cheked it was the left that was adamintly oposed to any kind of boarder securuty on account of it might insult some poor Mexicans.

I thought that post awsome untill you said it was all the fault of the right wingers. You are a pin head if you think the left isnt at fault for a very larg majority of our immagration problems. It is after all always the left that stands up for the "right" of illegals to break our laws, for rites that do not exisit. You are trying to blame the whole thing on the rite.

Yeah everyone should be able to pass around deadly drugs in school for fun. Lets not punish child molesters and lets put down Jessicas law! Lets make sure any Mexican can come over here who want to! Lets not keep track of them and forgo any crime they might have or might commit.

Those are all statments that only the far left makes Diablo. I dont blame the left for everyhting and i know that Bushco. has been soley responsable for alot of the things you mentioned during their time in office. Not funding the boarder fence and not cracking down on people who employ illegals has done irreprable harm us as a country. The rite is also suposed to be the side of smaller govrenment. FEMA faild during the Katrina disater, the thing is a joke. Faith has been lost in both parties atm. The new senate isnt exactly helping either. It has the same aprovle rating. Also i think Nancy is a big f'en moron.

Its obvious that you are out of your playing feild. Conservative radio is usualy the first thing to bash the idiotic things this admin has done such as not funding the boarder fence. If you realy think AM radio declares all the things in your post you are an ignorant sheep.

It raely doesnt matter if all the things you said about the rite were true. If the left dominated AM radio and we tried to do it to them it would be a massive afront to their freedome of speach and we would all be satin. The hipocracy sickens me and i have no pitty fore peole like you. The party of liberty is inducing censorship. I think left-bashing is more than fair game Diablo.

[Vryce]

Another healthy political debate turns into an extreme right vs. extreme left mudslinging match enacted by people that are neither extreme, right, nor left.

[Diablo]

From 2000-2006 what has the right-wing accomplished during their grip on political power? I challenge you Grib to find me three things in those six years that the right-wing power structure has done that has positively affected the country. I can think of one thing, and even that one thing has had an extreme downside.

It is funny that the republicans had 5 years post-sept. 11 2001 to do something about immigration and they have done nothing. The right-wing has brought up the issue of immigration now to try and sap unity out of the democratic party. Just like they did with the gay marriage issue, and the social security bill Bush was trying to weasel into law. Its the classic move of divide and conquer, except now people are getting savvy to their little head-games.

And to Vryce: This is still a healthy debate, I am only refocusing the facts, trying to steer ignorant people from attacking the side who was the minority when our civilization took a turn for the worse.

[MagicNumbers]

Yeah everyone should be able to pass around deadly drugs in school for fun. Lets not punish child molesters and lets put down Jessicas law! Lets make sure any Mexican can come over here who want to! Lets not keep track of them and forgo any crime they might have or might commit.

It raely doesnt matter if all the things you said about the rite were true. If the left dominated AM radio and we tried to do it to them it would be a massive afront to their freedome of speach and we would all be satin. The hipocracy sickens me and i have no pitty fore peole like you. The party of liberty is inducing censorship. I think left-bashing is more than fair game Diablo.

It's points of view like this that prove that the extreme right wing propaganda machine is alive and well.

No reasonable person is against stopping child molesters, not even someone who is liberal.

What a bunch of crap.

[MagicNumbers]

Here are some reading material and documentaries you can read and watch watch to give a sense of what has been really going on.


Reference material is available for those who wish to know where they got their information.

http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/lies/

Also check out the documentary called "Out Foxed" about Fox News and Rupert Murdoc. You'll see how deep into the rabbit hole you can go when it comes to extreme right wing manipulation of news and facts.

[Zenthious]

Since when is it not unconstitutional for the government to regulate political content?


When they try to dictate when and what privately owned radio stations broadcast. Forcing them to broadcast propiganda (even if they don't want too) boils down to a volation of thier civil rights, IMO.

If they want air time they should buy it fairly from someone who is willing to broadcast it, or consider raising money within the party to fund private talk radio station in areas where the dems want to spread thier propiganda.

To me, forcing someone to broadcast your message by making a new law is pretty unscrupulous. Infact, almost fascist.

Both the Republican and Democratic parties are total and complete basterds. I'm ready for a third party to step up to the plate and actually do something worth while. Rather than waste taxpayer dollars debating LOW priority bills like this one just so they can boost thier propiganda output before the presidential election.

[MagicNumbers]

Check out this documentary

http://www.tv-links.co.uk/show.do/4/753

[Zenthious]

Check out this documentary

http://www.tv-links.co.uk/show.do/4/753

Without the services of those companies and people we would most likely have to reinstate the draft in order to continue the war. I would rather see that money go to privateers and mercenaries to get the jobs filled than see the draft. Atleast privateers are going in headlong knowing the risks.

[MagicNumbers]

Without the services of those companies and people we would most likely have to reinstate the draft in order to continue the war. I would rather see that money go to privateers and mercenaries to get the jobs filled than see the draft. Atleast privateers are going in headlong knowing the risks.

I completely disagree. These contractors are being hired with billions of tax payer dollars and have little to no oversight or even more importantly no accountability. If you watch the documentary you will see the many, many problems with the move towards private corporations and the interests of the people at large. Private corporations are only interested in profit, they exist solely for profit. What happens when we have gov't and corps working hand in hand exchanging billions of dollars? A cycle of corruption and greed with richest and most powerful people in world.

[Zenthious]

I completely disagree. These contractors are being hired with billions of tax payer dollars and have little to no oversight or even more importantly no accountability. If you watch the documentary you will see the many, many problems with the move towards private corporations and the interests of the people at large. Private corporations are only interested in profit, they exist solely for profit. What happens when we have gov't and corps working hand in hand exchanging billions of dollars? A cycle of corruption and greed with richest and most powerful people in world.

Private security are not allowed for offensive missions. Also, that they said in the video themselves that they are largely employing ex-military and spec ops personel. All they are mainly used for is guard duty. So, what are you saying about accountability? The people that take those jobs know the risks. They do it because they get paid well.

Companies are in it for profit? Well, you don't say? I thought they just enjoyed the fresh desert air. Of course they are making a profit. Otherwise we wouldn't be able to keep the war running without a draft. Like I said, I would rather see some of that money go into the hands volunteers looking to make a buck than start another draft.

[MagicNumbers]

Private security are not allowed for offensive missions. Also, that they said in the video themselves that they are largely employing ex-military and spec ops personel. All they are mainly used for is guard duty. So, what are you saying about accountability? The people that take those jobs know the risks. They do it because they get paid well.

Companies are in it for profit? Well, you don't say? I thought they just enjoyed the fresh desert air. Of course they are making a profit. Otherwise we wouldn't be able to keep the war running without a draft. Like I said, I would rather see some of that money go into the hands volunteers looking to make a buck than start another draft.

50% of the interogators in Ahbu Garib Prison were contracted civilians. Some of the worst examples of abuse happened there. Civilians from a for profit company regardless of their past. Laundry services were mandatory for soldiers in Iraq that would cost the tax payer 99 dollars a bag that these companies would gladly take when a soldier could do his own laundry for 3 dollars.

[Diablo]

Companies are in it for profit? Well, you don't say? I thought they just enjoyed the fresh desert air. Of course they are making a profit. Otherwise we wouldn't be able to keep the war running without a draft. Like I said, I would rather see some of that money go into the hands volunteers looking to make a buck than start another draft.

There is such a thing as a war industry. Certain companies make money because of conflict. Halliburton for example has a cost plus contract which means the more it spends the more it recieves.
There is little or no direct financial incentive to minimize costs, since the contractor will always be fully reimbursed (plus profit). Why do you think we have been at war this long and mismanaged it so poorly? It is because the administration has rewarded those who have funded their campaigns by allowing them to exploit iraq for profit. This is called war profiteering.

The administration knows they can't reinstate the draft because it will result in a public backlash and because of what happened during Vietnam. If you keep the troop numbers small enough so that it doesn't impact the majority of the population, and you engage in misinforming the public, then the corporations can stay longer in Iraq and accumulate more and more profits at our troops and the stability of the worlds expense.

We see Bushs loyalty to his friends all over the federal government. From trying to get Harriet Myers into the Supreme Court to the totally unqualified Michael Brown heading FEMA, and everywhere in between like Alberto Gonzales saying screw you to the Geneva Convention. The word is Cronyism:
Favoritism shown to old friends without regard for their qualifications, as in political appointments to office.

[Zenthious]

There is such a thing as a war industry. Certain companies make money because of conflict. Halliburton for example has a cost plus contract which means the more it spends the more it recieves.
There is little or no direct financial incentive to minimize costs, since the contractor will always be fully reimbursed (plus profit). Why do you think we have been at war this long and mismanaged it so poorly? It is because the administration has rewarded those who have funded their campaigns by allowing them to exploit iraq for profit. This is called war profiteering.

The war has been long because it's an insurgancy. Just like in Vietnam it's hard to win a war when you can't immediately differentiate who the enemy is and weed them out. The war hasn't been mismanaged, IMO. We accomplished our original goals of getting saddam and the bathists out. The problem now is getting these people to work together for the good of thier country, and it's not happening. And while contractors like haliburton may be raking it in because of bush, the fact is, without a major oil company to help them put thier infrastructure and refineries back online Iraq would have no source of income or way to sustain themselves for any extended period. So, there are certain needs here that have to be met, and that's what I'm getting at. We couldn't do this without contractors period, even with everything done right.

Yeah, I hear you, you don't like bush. But who else could we have voted for, al gore? He's the about biggest f'ing moron in the democratic party. So, it's not like we can vote no confidence and make the parties go back to primaries. We deal with some ammount of corruption in almost every administration. Clinton: whitewater - Regan: Iran Contra - Nixion: watergate the list is long, and thier are as many dems on it as republicans. To top this off, we were bound to invade iraq sooner or later. We had been wrestling with keeping inspecters in the country for 10+ years after desert storm. How many times do you allow someone to break a treaty that they signed? We can't sit on our hands forever, and just expect everything to work out ok. Yes the money needs to be managed way better, but the same goes for EVERY SECTOR of the american goverment.

[Thurind]

I think the fact is that american minds are being poisoned and controled by the conservatives. If that is all they hear then yes the people will begin to beleive it because people are stupid and cannot think for themselves.

There are ALOT of dems in the states that want to hear some of there own stuff, not the filthy hate and fearmongering that cons spread.

The mind of a cognizent self aware human being cannot be poisoned and controlled unless they allow someone to. Only the ignorant, the lazy, or the apathetic masses can be controlled.

An educated person who is self aware and knows how to research analyze and obtain information for themselves can see through attempts to brainwash.

Sadly it would sometimes appear that our government would prefer not to foster the type of person who cannot be brainwashed or controlled.

The argument of liberal vs conservative is practically impossible to properly and truly debate, and ultimately merely a smoke screen to divert minds from some of the real woes our country is suffering. Liberal vs Conservative is much like true capitalism and true socialism or communism in that neither set of pure models truly exist on this earth outside of textbooks.

Only a very small minority of the population in the united states could be said to be purely liberal or purely conservative. Many have varying degrees of convictions which fall inbetween or sometimes in the opposite party they proclaim to follow. This is no different then religion or many other societal institutions in america.

Right now the american public appears to be coming out of a long trend towards conservativism. This trend may be close to its apex or the recent ousting of many incumbent republicans may merely be a fleeting show of dissaproval that does not alter the momentum of the pendulum. "liberal" talk shows and content have been failing because the americans interests were not with liberal issues. This will in time change as the pendulum swings back the opposite way.

Those who think that america will remain politically conservative minded forever and that they have finally won the war against the insipid pansy tree hugging "liberals" are merely deluding themselves. And those who think that the "liberal" democrats will some day once and for all beat out the evil war mongering profiteering republican "conservatives" are wrong as well.

Both "liberal" and "conservative majority power blocks have held our legislature and the presidency many times over since the inception of our county.

They have both pursued couses of action that have sometimes been beneficial and at other times been disastrous. Both parties have in the past taken actions that were clearly not in the self interest of the united states or thier constituent base and were clearly soley in thier self interest or for the pursuit of power.

There are no angels left in the choir lofts of republican or democratic parties.

At the end of the day the democrats and republicans still have to sit down at the table and perform the functions of running a democracy. If things arent working then you should look to the government as a whole and not necessarily just one party.

That being said attempting to mandate political fairness and politically correct methodology is never a good idea. As long as a human being is the one enforcing the decision on what can and cannot be aired on public air space then the subjectivity of the human experience will always taint the outcome.