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Roamer
07-31-2007, 05:52 PM
<table border="1" cellpadding="3">
<tr><th colspan="7">50 Disciple</th></tr>
<tr><th>Ability</th><th>Hits</th><th>Min</th><th>Max</th><th>Avg</th><th>Total</th><th>%</th></tr>
<tr><td>Essence Thief II</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">842</td><td align="right">842</td><td align="right">842</td><td align="right">842</td><td align="right">0</td></tr>
<tr><td>Ra'Jin Flare III</td><td align="right">6</td><td align="right">812</td><td align="right">2043</td><td align="right">1327</td><td align="right">7965</td><td align="right">0</td></tr>
<tr><td>Concordant Palm II</td><td align="right">10</td><td align="right">1371</td><td align="right">4408</td><td align="right">2322</td><td align="right">23225</td><td align="right">1</td></tr>
<tr><td>Concordant Hand V</td><td align="right">15</td><td align="right">1674</td><td align="right">4017</td><td align="right">2807</td><td align="right">42105</td><td align="right">2</td></tr>
<tr><td>Void Hand VII</td><td align="right">48</td><td align="right">590</td><td align="right">1830</td><td align="right">1022</td><td align="right">49083</td><td align="right">3</td></tr>
<tr><td>Cyclone Kick V</td><td align="right">45</td><td align="right">753</td><td align="right">2274</td><td align="right">1448</td><td align="right">65203</td><td align="right">3</td></tr>
<tr><td>White Lotus Strike III</td><td align="right">49</td><td align="right">809</td><td align="right">2343</td><td align="right">1433</td><td align="right">70228</td><td align="right">4</td></tr>
<tr><td>Fist of Discord I</td><td align="right">29</td><td align="right">1778</td><td align="right">4659</td><td align="right">3055</td><td align="right">88606</td><td align="right">5</td></tr>
<tr><td>Falling Petal VI</td><td align="right">55</td><td align="right">818</td><td align="right">3460</td><td align="right">1699</td><td align="right">93479</td><td align="right">5</td></tr>
<tr><td>Palm of Discord III</td><td align="right">32</td><td align="right">1651</td><td align="right">7655</td><td align="right">3001</td><td align="right">96054</td><td align="right">5</td></tr>
<tr><td>Soul Cutter VI</td><td align="right">76</td><td align="right">408</td><td align="right">4019</td><td align="right">1441</td><td align="right">109588</td><td align="right">6</td></tr>
<tr><td>Blessed Wind VII</td><td align="right">98</td><td align="right">327</td><td align="right">1989</td><td align="right">1197</td><td align="right">117397</td><td align="right">6</td></tr>
<tr><td>Grasp of Discord IV</td><td align="right">40</td><td align="right">1843</td><td align="right">8664</td><td align="right">3158</td><td align="right">126338</td><td align="right">7</td></tr>
<tr><td>Blooming Ridge Hand IV</td><td align="right">128</td><td align="right">325</td><td align="right">3375</td><td align="right">1217</td><td align="right">155818</td><td align="right">8</td></tr>
<tr><td>Touch of Discord VI</td><td align="right">49</td><td align="right">2219</td><td align="right">8149</td><td align="right">3684</td><td align="right">180555</td><td align="right">9</td></tr>
<tr><td>Knife Hand IV</td><td align="right">418</td><td align="right">192</td><td align="right">1414</td><td align="right">615</td><td align="right">257339</td><td align="right">13</td></tr>
<tr><td>Piercing Damage</td><td align="right">503</td><td align="right">214</td><td align="right">1714</td><td align="right">871</td><td align="right">438392</td><td align="right">23</td></tr>
<tr><th>Fights & Times</th><th align="right">87</th><th align="right">00:20</th><th align="right">04:09</th><th align="right">00:36</th><th colspan="2">53:05</th></tr>
<tr><th>Total Damage</th><th colspan="6">1922217 - 603 DPS</th></tr>
</table>



<table border="1" cellpadding="3">
<tr><th colspan="7">50 Dread Knight</th></tr>
<tr><th>Ability</th><th>Hits</th><th>Min</th><th>Max</th><th>Avg</th><th>Total</th><th>%</th></tr>
<tr><td>Ominous Fate III</td><td align="right">16</td><td align="right">90</td><td align="right">283</td><td align="right">184</td><td align="right">2953</td><td align="right">0</td></tr>
<tr><td>Dark Bastion III</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right">1847</td><td align="right">1931</td><td align="right">1889</td><td align="right">3778</td><td align="right">0</td></tr>
<tr><td>Malice VI</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right">2404</td><td align="right">2445</td><td align="right">2424</td><td align="right">4849</td><td align="right">0</td></tr>
<tr><td>Shield of Fear III</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right">2794</td><td align="right">2812</td><td align="right">2803</td><td align="right">5606</td><td align="right">0</td></tr>
<tr><td>Soulsip</td><td align="right">18</td><td align="right">357</td><td align="right">449</td><td align="right">412</td><td align="right">7422</td><td align="right">0</td></tr>
<tr><td>Inflame III</td><td align="right">10</td><td align="right">922</td><td align="right">1904</td><td align="right">1530</td><td align="right">15306</td><td align="right">1</td></tr>
<tr><td>Incite IV</td><td align="right">10</td><td align="right">924</td><td align="right">2356</td><td align="right">1639</td><td align="right">16391</td><td align="right">1</td></tr>
<tr><td>Anguish I</td><td align="right">9</td><td align="right">1756</td><td align="right">2508</td><td align="right">2026</td><td align="right">18237</td><td align="right">1</td></tr>
<tr><td>Incantation of Hate</td><td align="right">49</td><td align="right">259</td><td align="right">609</td><td align="right">426</td><td align="right">20901</td><td align="right">1</td></tr>
<tr><td>Vengeance V</td><td align="right">13</td><td align="right">899</td><td align="right">2950</td><td align="right">1647</td><td align="right">21412</td><td align="right">1</td></tr>
<tr><td>Vile Strike II</td><td align="right">9</td><td align="right">1909</td><td align="right">4448</td><td align="right">2656</td><td align="right">23912</td><td align="right">1</td></tr>
<tr><td>Ranged Attack</td><td align="right">58</td><td align="right">757</td><td align="right">1495</td><td align="right">975</td><td align="right">56576</td><td align="right">2</td></tr>
<tr><td>Retaliate VI</td><td align="right">68</td><td align="right">1096</td><td align="right">6886</td><td align="right">2442</td><td align="right">166084</td><td align="right">6</td></tr>
<tr><td>Torture VII</td><td align="right">474</td><td align="right">244</td><td align="right">821</td><td align="right">487</td><td align="right">230941</td><td align="right">8</td></tr>
<tr><td>Ruin IV</td><td align="right">82</td><td align="right">1056</td><td align="right">12082</td><td align="right">4074</td><td align="right">334146</td><td align="right">11</td></tr>
<tr><td>Wrack V</td><td align="right">110</td><td align="right">1045</td><td align="right">11036</td><td align="right">3755</td><td align="right">413130</td><td align="right">14</td></tr>
<tr><td>Slashing Damage</td><td align="right">609</td><td align="right">263</td><td align="right">2997</td><td align="right">1095</td><td align="right">667275</td><td align="right">23</td></tr>
<tr><td>Vexing Strike VII</td><td align="right">571</td><td align="right">360</td><td align="right">5439</td><td align="right">1674</td><td align="right">956273</td><td align="right">32</td></tr>
<tr><th>Fights & Times</th><th align="right">87</th><th align="right">00:20</th><th align="right">04:09</th><th align="right">00:36</th><th colspan="2">53:05</th></tr>
<tr><th>Total Damage</th><th colspan="6">2965192 - 930 DPS</th></tr>
</table>



<table border="1" cellpadding="3">
<tr><th colspan="7">45(?) Bard</th></tr>
<tr><th>Ability</th><th>Hits</th><th>Min</th><th>Max</th><th>Avg</th><th>Total</th><th>%</th></tr>
<tr><td>Echoing Cut IV</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right">1124</td><td align="right">1757</td><td align="right">1440</td><td align="right">2881</td><td align="right">0</td></tr>
<tr><td>Swirl of the Tempest V</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right">1408</td><td align="right">1576</td><td align="right">1492</td><td align="right">2984</td><td align="right">0</td></tr>
<tr><td>Lightning Kisses the Ground IV</td><td align="right">4</td><td align="right">2196</td><td align="right">3953</td><td align="right">2810</td><td align="right">11241</td><td align="right">1</td></tr>
<tr><td>Sever the Tie VII</td><td align="right">38</td><td align="right">878</td><td align="right">3129</td><td align="right">1711</td><td align="right">65049</td><td align="right">3</td></tr>
<tr><td>Thread the Needle IV</td><td align="right">105</td><td align="right">366</td><td align="right">2298</td><td align="right">1382</td><td align="right">145165</td><td align="right">7</td></tr>
<tr><td>Cleave the Mountain IV</td><td align="right">124</td><td align="right">1698</td><td align="right">5162</td><td align="right">3166</td><td align="right">392630</td><td align="right">18</td></tr>
<tr><td>Hewing the Mountain V</td><td align="right">144</td><td align="right">1652</td><td align="right">7783</td><td align="right">3203</td><td align="right">461247</td><td align="right">21</td></tr>
<tr><td>Striking the Mountain V</td><td align="right">186</td><td align="right">659</td><td align="right">7531</td><td align="right">2606</td><td align="right">484880</td><td align="right">22</td></tr>
<tr><td>Slashing Damage</td><td align="right">667</td><td align="right">210</td><td align="right">3418</td><td align="right">951</td><td align="right">634485</td><td align="right">29</td></tr>
<tr><th>Fights & Times</th><th align="right">87</th><th align="right">00:20</th><th align="right">04:09</th><th align="right">00:36</th><th colspan="2">53:05</th></tr>
<tr><th>Total Damage</th><th colspan="6">2200562 - 690 DPS</th></tr>
</table>



<table border="1" cellpadding="3">
<tr><th colspan="7">50 Sorcerer</th></tr>
<tr><th>Ability</th><th>Hits</th><th>Min</th><th>Max</th><th>Avg</th><th>Total</th><th>%</th></tr>
<tr><td>Cold Wave III</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">3456</td><td align="right">3456</td><td align="right">3456</td><td align="right">3456</td><td align="right">0</td></tr>
<tr><td>Char VI</td><td align="right">25</td><td align="right">446</td><td align="right">3874</td><td align="right">1230</td><td align="right">30771</td><td align="right">1</td></tr>
<tr><td>Mimic VI</td><td align="right">8</td><td align="right">3650</td><td align="right">8358</td><td align="right">5331</td><td align="right">42652</td><td align="right">1</td></tr>
<tr><td>Taqmir's Barrage IV</td><td align="right">28</td><td align="right">1368</td><td align="right">4207</td><td align="right">2319</td><td align="right">64947</td><td align="right">1</td></tr>
<tr><td>Freeze IV</td><td align="right">42</td><td align="right">410</td><td align="right">3493</td><td align="right">2113</td><td align="right">88768</td><td align="right">2</td></tr>
<tr><td>Frostbite VII</td><td align="right">123</td><td align="right">502</td><td align="right">2923</td><td align="right">1058</td><td align="right">130163</td><td align="right">3</td></tr>
<tr><td>Incinerate IV</td><td align="right">159</td><td align="right">384</td><td align="right">7623</td><td align="right">2142</td><td align="right">340597</td><td align="right">8</td></tr>
<tr><td>Inidria's Inferno III</td><td align="right">298</td><td align="right">434</td><td align="right">8607</td><td align="right">1535</td><td align="right">457466</td><td align="right">10</td></tr>
<tr><td>Chaos Volley IV</td><td align="right">765</td><td align="right">994</td><td align="right">18471</td><td align="right">4308</td><td align="right">3295627</td><td align="right">74</td></tr>
<tr><th>Fights & Times</th><th align="right">87</th><th align="right">00:20</th><th align="right">04:09</th><th align="right">00:36</th><th colspan="2">53:05</th></tr>
<tr><th>Total Damage</th><th colspan="6">4454447 - 1398 DPS</th></tr>
</table>



<table border="1" cellpadding="3">
<tr><th colspan="7">49-50 Cleric</th></tr>
<tr><th>Ability</th><th>Hits</th><th>Min</th><th>Max</th><th>Avg</th><th>Total</th><th>%</th></tr>
<tr><td>Hammer of Penance VI</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right">579</td><td align="right">579</td><td align="right">579</td><td align="right">1158</td><td align="right">0</td></tr>
<tr><td>Doom III</td><td align="right">3</td><td align="right">702</td><td align="right">1048</td><td align="right">823</td><td align="right">2471</td><td align="right">0</td></tr>
<tr><td>Maul of the Gods IV</td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right">626</td><td align="right">1364</td><td align="right">1060</td><td align="right">7420</td><td align="right">1</td></tr>
<tr><td>Replenishing Strike V</td><td align="right">33</td><td align="right">254</td><td align="right">725</td><td align="right">456</td><td align="right">15074</td><td align="right">2</td></tr>
<tr><td>Rout III</td><td align="right">8</td><td align="right">1728</td><td align="right">3997</td><td align="right">3222</td><td align="right">25777</td><td align="right">3</td></tr>
<tr><td>Maul of Divinity V</td><td align="right">92</td><td align="right">506</td><td align="right">7500</td><td align="right">1044</td><td align="right">96055</td><td align="right">11</td></tr>
<tr><td>Hand of Censure VII</td><td align="right">190</td><td align="right">243</td><td align="right">3226</td><td align="right">1153</td><td align="right">219075</td><td align="right">25</td></tr>
<tr><td>Smiting Blow V</td><td align="right">158</td><td align="right">444</td><td align="right">2245</td><td align="right">1388</td><td align="right">219342</td><td align="right">25</td></tr>
<tr><td>Crushing Damage</td><td align="right">465</td><td align="right">144</td><td align="right">1284</td><td align="right">632</td><td align="right">294012</td><td align="right">33</td></tr>
<tr><th>Fights & Times</th><th align="right">87</th><th align="right">00:20</th><th align="right">04:09</th><th align="right">00:36</th><th colspan="2">53:05</th></tr>
<tr><th>Total Damage</th><th colspan="6">880384 - 276 DPS</th></tr>
</table>



<table border="1" cellpadding="3">
<tr><th colspan="7">47(?) Monk</th></tr>
<tr><th>Ability</th><th>Hits</th><th>Min</th><th>Max</th><th>Avg</th><th>Total</th><th>%</th></tr>
<tr><td>Feet of the Fire Dragon IV</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right">1034</td><td align="right">1034</td><td align="right">1034</td><td align="right">2068</td><td align="right">0</td></tr>
<tr><td>Secret of Flames</td><td align="right">16</td><td align="right">346</td><td align="right">512</td><td align="right">461</td><td align="right">7391</td><td align="right">0</td></tr>
<tr><td>Thundering Fists I</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">8609</td><td align="right">8609</td><td align="right">8609</td><td align="right">8609</td><td align="right">0</td></tr>
<tr><td>Six Dragons Strike V</td><td align="right">22</td><td align="right">1325</td><td align="right">5004</td><td align="right">2425</td><td align="right">53358</td><td align="right">1</td></tr>
<tr><td>Gouging Dragon Claw I</td><td align="right">40</td><td align="right">1236</td><td align="right">3797</td><td align="right">2255</td><td align="right">90204</td><td align="right">2</td></tr>
<tr><td>Sundering Dragon Claw I</td><td align="right">67</td><td align="right">748</td><td align="right">3101</td><td align="right">1827</td><td align="right">122460</td><td align="right">3</td></tr>
<tr><td>Crescent Kick VI</td><td align="right">329</td><td align="right">120</td><td align="right">3162</td><td align="right">667</td><td align="right">219505</td><td align="right">5</td></tr>
<tr><td>Thundering Fists III</td><td align="right">52</td><td align="right">2273</td><td align="right">17391</td><td align="right">5834</td><td align="right">303396</td><td align="right">7</td></tr>
<tr><td>Boundless Fist VI</td><td align="right">162</td><td align="right">490</td><td align="right">4611</td><td align="right">1983</td><td align="right">321351</td><td align="right">7</td></tr>
<tr><td>Kick of the Heavens III</td><td align="right">115</td><td align="right">1355</td><td align="right">8212</td><td align="right">2970</td><td align="right">341626</td><td align="right">8</td></tr>
<tr><td>Piercing Damage</td><td align="right">244</td><td align="right">319</td><td align="right">5425</td><td align="right">1419</td><td align="right">346303</td><td align="right">8</td></tr>
<tr><td>Thousand Fists III</td><td align="right">59</td><td align="right">2961</td><td align="right">15456</td><td align="right">5970</td><td align="right">352243</td><td align="right">8</td></tr>
<tr><td>Flying Kick V</td><td align="right">143</td><td align="right">1329</td><td align="right">4602</td><td align="right">2597</td><td align="right">371454</td><td align="right">9</td></tr>
<tr><td>Ashen Hand VI</td><td align="right">543</td><td align="right">755</td><td align="right">8999</td><td align="right">3316</td><td align="right">1800832</td><td align="right">41</td></tr>
<tr><th>Fights & Times</th><th align="right">87</th><th align="right">00:20</th><th align="right">04:09</th><th align="right">00:36</th><th colspan="2">53:05</th></tr>
<tr><th>Total Damage</th><th colspan="6">4340800 - 1362 DPS</th></tr>
</table>

Roamer
07-31-2007, 05:52 PM
I've taken this parse about a week ago, and found it rather interesting. Do not take it too literally however, as it still isn't possible to 100% correctly parse VG logfiles. I hadn't taken logs in a while, but since I noticed that it is now possible to parse DOTs correctly (for the most part), I've used /log with some new interest.

A few notes about the parser:
- I'm using my own parser, which is VERY simple and (pretty much) only records lines in the standard format. So, a good amount of damage may be missing (for example in the case of the cleric, as they have a lot of irregular log lines)
- the parser also doesn't take abilities which report damage twice into account, so there may be too much damage for some abilities

About the parsing situation:
- this was taken in the Temple of Tehatamani zone, while clearing one of the crypts
- we had a PUG consisting of a 50 disciple (me), 50 sorcerer, 50 dreadknight, 49 cleric (dinged 50 in the group), 47 (or 48, can't remember) monk and a 45 (I think) bard.
- as I took this log more to test my parser than for actual damage comparison, I didn't check the conditions too carefully (for example equipment of the group members)
- the cleric was main healer, I was backup. Didn't go full DPS either tho, especially when we went through the poisoned area (Aromizo crypt)

Results:
Suprises (for me):
- the similarity of the monk and the sorcerer in their total damage output
- the high! damage output of the dread knight
- the (comparably) poor damage of the bard, although the lower level may explain this (as the mobs in the crypt are 49-50 5dots)

Sasami
08-01-2007, 06:51 AM
How do you pars dots? They don’t show from whom they are and bleeding for example is not ability nor class specific for example.

Do you see tables with your post? I just see boxes with HTML, not very god readable. Is there a display option I need to change?

Sasami
08-01-2007, 07:29 AM
- the high! damage output of the dread knight


Bard and Cleric, both can boost damage. I think the DK damage is fine. I’ve seen some nice dps from DKs in the past.
I’m surprised about the bard as well (Could it be that most of the listed abilities that do damage are the finisher? Could it be that you are missing entire styles?).
Monk is nice especially for being lower in level (if it is not an artefact). I don’t know much about monk parses because I have almost no sample data available (but some samples, I have seen, have duplicate lines for Ashen Hand; so basically: I don’t know).
For the Sorcerer, I don’t know about the situation (aggro, healing, power regeneration)

I think you compare people more than classes when you do PUG parsing.

Still there is that big unknown which and how many lines generate wrong numbers with the parser.



edit: I included some comments regarding the data. I hope the sentences still makes sense. :)

Roamer
08-01-2007, 11:14 AM
How do you pars dots? They don’t show from whom they are and bleeding for example is not ability nor class specific for example.

Do you see tables with your post? I just see boxes with HTML, not very god readable. Is there a display option I need to change?

I mentioned it above, you CAN parse dots as they do show their owner now. Not sure when this was changed.

About the tables, the board here has disabled HTML code, so I don't see them correctly here either. If you want to have a nicer look, you have to cut&paste the tables into a file (with ending .html), then you can view it in your browser.

Sasami
08-01-2007, 02:45 PM
I checked Char, Incinerate and Inferno. All 3 don’t show the source. Are you playing on test or why is it different for you?

Gandos
08-01-2007, 03:57 PM
This looks pretty good. Do you think you could parse a few other classes? preferably druid :D

The DK's damage is definatly on par. Although, seems monks are high. I know they do tons of damage but wow, at 47 that monk is doing craploads of damage. Also seems cleric's are right about themselves not doing much damage. The bard in the group was low for the area. At 50, I would venture a guess of him being around 900 DPS.

Does this parcer take into account critical hits as extra? Do you know a good place to get a decent parcer?

EQ Companion
08-01-2007, 04:00 PM
I checked Char, Incinerate and Inferno. All 3 don’t show the source. Are you playing on test or why is it different for you?

I have been working on converting my old EQ Companion parser to support Vanguard and what I have seen myself about DoT parsing has been that other people's DoT's seem to have their name in the log line but my own DoT's do not. I play level 35 shaman, so it might be different with other classes.

This changed about the beginning or middle of June. Before that, other people's DoT's did not mention their names either.

I have coded EQ Companion to assume that if the DoT type message does not mention the caster name, it will be assumed to be my damage. So far I have not gotten any DoT damage assigned to me that would not be my spells. I do not group that often, though, so I have definitely not gotten this tested thoroughly.

By the way, if you are interested in trying EQ Companion, you can download the beta version with VG support from http://www.eq-companion.com. The "Downloads" page has link for the beta version along with instruction on how to install it (It is Visual Basic 6 application so unless you have the required VB6 DLL's, you need to use the installer first and update to the beta after.

I also wrote a small write-up about the pequliarities about VG log files on my wiki-manual. It might be good to read before trying EQC with Vanguard. The direct URL is: http://www.eq-companion.com/wiki/index.php?title=Notes_about_Vanguard_support

Roamer
08-01-2007, 04:01 PM
I checked Char, Incinerate and Inferno. All 3 don’t show the source. Are you playing on test or why is it different for you?

Ahh I think I know what you mean, when you look at your own dots, the source isn't shown. It only appears when you look at others. So, if you cast a dot it looks like "dot deals damage...", for other players in the group it will appears as "xyz's dot deals damage...".

Sasami
08-22-2007, 10:23 AM
There are still dot damage types which don’t have a damage source.

bleed (Bard?)
fevered (?)
Brilliant flames (Shaman?)

are examples of these.