Need some help with my duo...

[Xigence]

Yes, I asked about the duo in my other thread but I don't see much harm in starting a new thread since 99% of this forum has turned into pissing and moaning.

Anyways, me and my friend plan on making a duo once we're both back into the game. We're likely going to go bloodmage and ranger. But I'd like to know how this will work before we waste time on it. Pros? Cons? What type of mobs can we take? How are we able to take them? How should we spec? And just anything you'd like to add. We're also open to other duos. We don't want to go the tank and healer combo again, we did druid and sorcerer, and we weren't at all impressed by a necro duo. I also doubt either of us really want to go cleric either. Thanks for any input.

[Andok]

Yes, I asked about the duo in my other thread but I don't see much harm in starting a new thread since 99% of this forum has turned into pissing and moaning.

Anyways, me and my friend plan on making a duo once we're both back into the game. We're likely going to go bloodmage and ranger. But I'd like to know how this will work before we waste time on it. Pros? Cons? What type of mobs can we take? How are we able to take them? How should we spec? And just anything you'd like to add. We're also open to other duos. We don't want to go the tank and healer combo again, we did druid and sorcerer, and we weren't at all impressed by a necro duo. I also doubt either of us really want to go cleric either. Thanks for any input.


Bard/Druid works well.

[uberowo]

I've played a bard and sorc to 50 now, while duo'ing most time with a Rakurr shaman, a DK and for a while a cleric. The strongest pve duo is hands down a cleric+tank, however most duos in the game can do outdoorsy type of quests and should not have any problems lvl'ing to 50 together. The sorcerer is excellent for kiting when paired with a shammie (speed and heals for CV spamming), and the bard will do remarkably well with a DK in pve because of how much better the DKs lifedrains get once teamed (with a bard).

For PVE however theres just no escaping the healer+tank duo if you like dungeon crawling and doing group quests. I'd recommend shaman+DK for a good all round pve/pvp experience. Your only issue will be the lack "see invis".

EDIT: I just noticed you specifically state not wanting to go healer+tank. Frankly this is a bad decision if you plan on duo'ing to lvl 50 as you will miss most the content worth playing. :D With the absence of a tank, your only option will be kiting and a number of classes can do that very well. A Ranger/BM duo would be one of the many alternatives.

[Xigence]

Well, we decided to bite the bullet and go with warrior and cleric. Any advice on how we should spec? He'll likely be an orc warrior and I'll be a dark elf cleric.

[uberowo]

Well, we decided to bite the bullet and go with warrior and cleric. Any advice on how we should spec? He'll likely be an orc warrior and I'll be a dark elf cleric.

I suggest going with the war affinity until you reach 50 atleast, it has excellent melee attacks (and buffs) that should go extremely well with a warrior. Not many ways to spec a warrior, but I suppose its worth mentioning (if your noobs) that he should be using dual wield most of the time as 2 handers are bugged and produce very poor crits atm.

[KombatJesus]

Bard/Druid works well.

He said Duo. . .Du O. . .As in being able to take on content for groups, just in case they can't find a team. . .

[Andok]

He said Duo. . .Du O. . .As in being able to take on content for groups, just in case they can't find a team. . .

Bard Druid is perhaps the best combo in game. Whereas cleric/warrior is good, they lack the versatility of a Bard/Druid.

War/Cleric can tank and heal, extremely slow DPS.

Bard/Druid can seriously out DPS the War/Cleric combo.

Druids can also heal, limited but not really that bad. My druid heals for nearly 1400 hps per cast at 50 and also has a heal over time AoE heal and a PP based group heal.

B/D Has invis, lev, underwater breathing, evac, superspeed, snare and better root than cleric/War.

ALthough both have their advantages, personally I believe the Bard/Druid is a better combo overall due to the versatility and DPS.

[elorei]

bard/war cleric.

[Amsra]

Bard/disc works really well too :)

[KombatJesus]

Bard Druid is perhaps the best combo in game. Whereas cleric/warrior is good, they lack the versatility of a Bard/Druid.

War/Cleric can tank and heal, extremely slow DPS.

Bard/Druid can seriously out DPS the War/Cleric combo.

Druids can also heal, limited but not really that bad. My druid heals for nearly 1400 hps per cast at 50 and also has a heal over time AoE heal and a PP based group heal.

B/D Has invis, lev, underwater breathing, evac, superspeed, snare and better root than cleric/War.

ALthough both have their advantages, personally I believe the Bard/Druid is a better combo overall due to the versatility and DPS.

They're gonna kite through all of the content? lol

[Andok]

They're gonna kite through all of the content? lol


No why would they? I duo with a bard and we melee. There are mobs we kite, usually named, but a bard can tank fairly decently.

[KombatJesus]

No why would they? I duo with a bard and we melee. There are mobs we kite, usually named, but a bard can tank fairly decently.

Andok, Do you have an ass? Cause I don't see how you wouldn't have lied it off already. I'm talking about 4 dots, group content, 0 - +4 level 4 dots.

Nvmd, you are the drood. You're lying your ass off Andok, **look** there it is on the floor

[Andok]

Andok, Do you have an ass? Cause I don't see how you wouldn't have lied it off already. I'm talking about 4 dots, group content, 0 - +4 level 4 dots.

Nvmd, you are the drood. You're lying your ass off Andok, **look** there it is on the floor


Oh, I apologize, I missed the part where he said they only want to kill 4 dots. My bad. Oh and BTW, you can duo 4 dots on a bard tanking druid nuking/healing. Don't believe it? Come on hilsbury and Ill show you.

[elorei]

Andok, Do you have an ass? Cause I don't see how you wouldn't have lied it off already. I'm talking about 4 dots, group content, 0 - +4 level 4 dots.

Nvmd, you are the drood. You're lying your ass off Andok, **look** there it is on the floor

Without a stronger healer with good melee buffs, group content would be hard unless kiting with the druid as the only healer, even using a heal/rune song on the bard with a string mod parry dagger equipped.

Duo with a bard and a cleric can clear dungeons top to bottom, including 6 dots of same lvl. Not all encounters due to certain encounter types (Rhaz, certain linked mobs like shodar, etc). But for vanilla "lullable" encounters, this duo shines. My cleric friend and I lived in VT for a few levels, and we took out the 6 dots in the throne room as a duo when they conned yellow still. The best fight to me was actually a 5 dot though, dreadwing, with 2 adds, those clouds. The cleric was about ready to kill me after that pull, we both had 0 strength and were getting AEd to oblivion. But we survived.

This same duo was farming most any content in the game, assuming it had no immunities to CC. Only Rhaz Inkur really gave us trouble as a duo.

[KombatJesus]

Oh, I apologize, I missed the part where he said they only want to kill 4 dots. My bad. Oh and BTW, you can duo 4 dots on a bard tanking druid nuking/healing. Don't believe it? Come on hilsbury and Ill show you.

You know they would come across it, especially wanting to play as a duo. ANyway, your heals must be bad ass. Would like to group one day.

[Andok]

You know they would come across it, especially wanting to play as a duo. ANyway, your heals must be bad ass. Would like to group one day.

My heals are good enough. 1400 hps direct heal, 2k heal over time, group complete heal 4 times an hour. Oh then add in the roseberries and tap root and voila, I can heal extremely well.

[Andok]

Without a stronger healer with good melee buffs, group content would be hard unless kiting with the druid as the only healer, even using a heal/rune song on the bard with a string mod parry dagger equipped.

Duo with a bard and a cleric can clear dungeons top to bottom, including 6 dots of same lvl. Not all encounters due to certain encounter types (Rhaz, certain linked mobs like shodar, etc). But for vanilla "lullable" encounters, this duo shines. My cleric friend and I lived in VT for a few levels, and we took out the 6 dots in the throne room as a duo when they conned yellow still. The best fight to me was actually a 5 dot though, dreadwing, with 2 adds, those clouds. The cleric was about ready to kill me after that pull, we both had 0 strength and were getting AEd to oblivion. But we survived.

This same duo was farming most any content in the game, assuming it had no immunities to CC. Only Rhaz Inkur really gave us trouble as a duo.

Druids ONLY have melee buffs.

[Andok]

Without a stronger healer with good melee buffs, group content would be hard unless kiting with the druid as the only healer, even using a heal/rune song on the bard with a string mod parry dagger equipped.

Duo with a bard and a cleric can clear dungeons top to bottom, including 6 dots of same lvl. Not all encounters due to certain encounter types (Rhaz, certain linked mobs like shodar, etc). But for vanilla "lullable" encounters, this duo shines. My cleric friend and I lived in VT for a few levels, and we took out the 6 dots in the throne room as a duo when they conned yellow still. The best fight to me was actually a 5 dot though, dreadwing, with 2 adds, those clouds. The cleric was about ready to kill me after that pull, we both had 0 strength and were getting AEd to oblivion. But we survived.

This same duo was farming most any content in the game, assuming it had no immunities to CC. Only Rhaz Inkur really gave us trouble as a duo.

Bard/Cleric is a very good duo too. I was just saying that there were other options than war/cleric and that I would prefer bard/druid or even War/Druid over war/cleric.

[elorei]

Druids ONLY have melee buffs.
Notice, i said "good" melee buffs. Compared to a cleric, a druid's buffs are lacking.

[Andok]

Notice, i said "good" melee buffs. Compared to a cleric, a druid's buffs are lacking.

But with a druid the mobs die alot faster and no need to heal as often.

[anagain]

I've never understood why people can't just get down and play the game off the hoof. Why do they need to ask questions like 'which class is best for soloing' and 'which class should I team up with a warrior for best effect'?

Do what makes you happy. Experiment. You'll find you have just as much fun even if you don't conform to convention and make the atypical wood elf druid, dwarf cleric or erudite wizard.

Not a direct moan at anyone in particular, just a general comment because I hear this so often. Player A says 'which AA ability line should I take for conjuror' and player B says 'I wanna be a rock-arse cleric, should I work on wisdom or stamina'. Try. Be creative, not a follower.

Game development companies, who make MMOs, aren't being overly creative and devising great new ideas, so let's at least be imaginative ourselves. There's no best way to play an MMO...it's up to you.

Thank you for listening to another anagain-inspired critique. :D

[anagain]

Plus...I would just like to add one more thing...

Sigil once said (if you want to trust their infinite wisdom) that they didn't want players developing opinions on what class was the best soloer or what class was best in a group. That's why all healers can heal equally and all tanks can tank equally etc. That was the plan at least.

If you want to be a halfling warrior or cleric and rule the world with munchkin power (and who wouldn't want to be a halfling?) then do so. You might find it's just as good as an ogre warrior if you can play the game. In fact, you will find so.

Just thought I'd add that. :D

[Chae668]

That's why all healers can heal equally :D
not true. i was a bloodmage. i out healed the other healer classes. if bloodmage goes heal spec (as i was) then they blow away the other classes.