New Thread for Hardcore server by Sillus

[Paqua]

If you would play there go sign now thank you this is not the same as the previous thread this was started by Sillus
http://forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m?topic_id=28188

[Lonestryder]

If you would play there go sign now thank you this is not the same as the previous thread this was started by Sillus
http://forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m?topic_id=28188

Signed with both accounts.

[ikaoma420]

Signed with both accounts.

Hey Lone can you do a /signed for me too. I know the rule says post only once but I'm sure they wont mind.

[Lonestryder]

Hey Lone can you do a /signed for me too. I know the rule says post only once but I'm sure they wont mind.

Done.

And no, I don't think it will make a difference. That does not mean, however, that I can't stand for my beliefs. It's voting season, you know?

[ikaoma420]

Done.

And no, I don't think it will make a difference. That does not mean, however, that I can't stand for my beliefs. It's voting season, you know?

grassyass

[ikaoma420]

Im surprised at the number of people that have 1 post and its only in that thread.

[Lonestryder]

Im surprised at the number of people that have 1 post and its only in that thread.

I can only speak for myself, but Prosper is my second account. My bro plays it exclusively, but would NEVER post on any forum. That scenario may be common.

[ikaoma420]

I can only speak for myself, but Prosper is my second account. My bro plays it exclusively, but would NEVER post on any forum. That scenario may be common.

Good point.

I'm seeing quite a few /signed with a sign up date of today. Either way I'm surprised how fast the thread has gotten to 9 pages. 9 pages of just /sign isn't too shabby considering there no flame wars going on that have upped the page count.

[Diablo]

Have they specified what they mean by hardcore server?

[ikaoma420]

Have they specified what they mean by hardcore server?

No they just want a head count of the "Vocal minority"

In all seriousness they will give the definition later. As of right now he has stated game play closer to how Vanguard was at launch. They want to see if there's enough people interested before they bother with what the specifics will be.

Personally I don't think calling it a "hardcore server" is really the best term to use.

[Lonestryder]

No they just want a head count of the "Vocal minority"

In all seriousness they will give the definition later. As of right now he has stated game play closer to how Vanguard was at launch. They want to see if there's enough people interested before they bother with what the specifics will be.

Personally I don't think calling it a "hardcore server" is really the best term to use.

Righto. Who cares about hardcore? I just want the original game, nothing more or less will suffice.

[Wiglac]

May i ask a dumb question.

Whats the point of a server/poll like this on the Official Forums. Forums you can only log onto if you have a CURRENT SOE account.

Game been out a year, surely most of the people that don't like the direction Silius has taken the game (me for one) have ALREADY left and hence can not log onto the forum.

So what Silius is getting is a sample from a sample of people that still kinda like the game. A bit meaningless isn't it?

[peppy13]

May i ask a dumb question.

Whats the point of a server/poll like this on the Official Forums. Forums you can only log onto if you have a CURRENT SOE account.

Game been out a year, surely most of the people that don't like the direction Silius has taken the game (me for one) have ALREADY left and hence can not log onto the forum.

So what Silius is getting is a sample from a sample of people that still kinda like the game. A bit meaningless isn't it?

Start a /signed thread here and link it in the Silius thread?

[Lonestryder]

No they just want a head count of the "Vocal minority"

In all seriousness they will give the definition later. As of right now he has stated game play closer to how Vanguard was at launch. They want to see if there's enough people interested before they bother with what the specifics will be.

Personally I don't think calling it a "hardcore server" is really the best term to use.

May i ask a dumb question.

Whats the point of a server/poll like this on the Official Forums. Forums you can only log onto if you have a CURRENT SOE account.

Game been out a year, surely most of the people that don't like the direction Silius has taken the game (me for one) have ALREADY left and hence can not log onto the forum.

So what Silius is getting is a sample from a sample of people that still kinda like the game. A bit meaningless isn't it?

In the end, it's a silly exercise and a fool's hope. I have been known to be foolishly dragged into this type of hype in the past. Oh well, it's entertaining if nothing else. Of course nothing will come of it. We all know that.

What's fun is reading the folks who don't want this added to "their" game. It would mean that there is something more to what they're playing than...what they're playing.

[Dragon-RD]

My account isn't active at the moment due to time. But if someone could put in a /sign by me id appreciate it. Or better yet, start out own SV thread and link to it.

Edit: Ill make one now.

[Loampounder]

What's fun is reading the folks who don't want this added to "their" game. It would mean that there is something more to what they're playing than...what they're playing.

There are some post at the SOE forum in which people say that SOE should not spend resources to change the game for a hardcore server. I find that ironic, because the /signed people want SOE to undo the changes they did, you know, when they spend resources on things other than bugs to change the game.

[Loampounder]

My account isn't active at the moment due to time. But if someone could put in a /sign by me id appreciate it. Or better yet, start out own SV thread and link to it.

Edit: Ill make one now.

ANyone have FoH posting access and can do this on that forum?

[rhagz]

ANyone have FoH posting access and can do this on that forum?

ROFL you would get laughed right into the rickshaw on FOH. They don't go for a /signed threads and other stupid shit over there.

[Mreynolds]

ROFL you would get laughed right into the rickshaw on FOH. They don't go for a /signed threads and other stupid shit over there.

Have to agree. Everytime VG is mentioned over there the posters get shamed back into the closet. FOH would be a minefield and no one would just let it be what it is.

[VashtheStampede]

why dont they make a /signed post for the people who would play the game that was promised to everyone pre-launch? if my numbers are right, 200k people wanted to play that vanguard that never actually existed

[KombatJesus]

May i ask a dumb question.

Whats the point of a server/poll like this on the Official Forums. Forums you can only log onto if you have a CURRENT SOE account.

Game been out a year, surely most of the people that don't like the direction Silius has taken the game (me for one) have ALREADY left and hence can not log onto the forum.

So what Silius is getting is a sample from a sample of people that still kinda like the game. A bit meaningless isn't it?

No, actually they give a shit about the opinions of the people who are playing the game currently compared to those who are not playing the game. I imagine they would be interested in doing more to keep their current playerbase rather than piss in the wind and expect to get anyone back who has left. . .but then again they never consider the whoredom that goes on in this forum and others like it in regards to VG. . .

[Mreynolds]

No, actually they give a shit about the opinions of the people who are playing the game currently compared to those who are not playing the game. I imagine they would be interested in doing more to keep their current playerbase rather than piss in the wind and expect to get anyone back who has left. . .but then again they never consider the whoredom that goes on in this forum and others like it in regards to VG. . .

One thing they COULD TRY would be to change the test server to this ruleset. They just recently made is a pvp team server so no reason they couldnt do this. Invite those back who left to ONLY play on it for say a week and then judge real interest on that. Not a ton took advantage of the free month so it wouldnt be people who just wanted a free ride. If it garnered enough interest then they could go with it and if not then **** it. But the forum post is up to 20 pages and going but with a small pop pool already getting a magical 1000 posts or whatever the number might be difficult.

[Hatto]

Its quite naive to think that just removing the quick travel, the auction house, boe/bop and a few other changes will bring VG close to what was expected. If they would announce that the world would suddenly get dangerous and worth to explore, implement the AES and deliver the miracle patch I'd be mildly interested.

Discussing here doesn't mean people did not move on, and with the history of the sigil execs that are still in charge I don't trust em far enough to even think about this. Wonder if some people still do trust em.

[ikaoma420]

I don't understand why the poll isn't in the newbie section of the OVF. That is an open forum and anyone that was ever subscribed to VG can post in that board. That way it can be open for people that aren't currently subscribed can actually vote.

[AsheMan]

I don't understand why the poll isn't in the newbie section of the OVF. That is an open forum and anyone that was ever subscribed to VG can post in that board. That way it can be open for people that aren't currently subscribed can actually vote.

That would make too much sense. It's a far superior idea to create the thread where only active accounts can post and then link polls from various affiliate sights where anyone active/inactive/dead (well maybe not the dead) can post...

[Kurron Nye]

No they just want a head count of the "Vocal minority"

In all seriousness they will give the definition later. As of right now he has stated game play closer to how Vanguard was at launch. They want to see if there's enough people interested before they bother with what the specifics will be.

Personally I don't think calling it a "hardcore server" is really the best term to use.



Wheee....more proof the Vanguard ship has nobody at the helm.

So now the vocal minority is being polled to see if they want to waste what little dev time is available to re-do work that has been already been done. Of course the vocal minority will claim no responsibility for all the subsequent problems that come from the devs doing what they want.

hell the people running Vanguard have no vision, and the vocal minority has no perspective, its the blind leading the blind.

[Lonestryder]

The /signed thread is now locked, and will not continue.

[ikaoma420]

Well that's the end of that

I must regret that I am closing this thread. I made the mistake of trying to engage the community on a controversial topic without considering what the fallout would be in game. This post was simply a question, a curiosity as to where this issue would stand if we were able to do it and it has turned into a major CS issue.

My goal with this was not to have people harassing others in game ruining their gameplay, or the petition queue to be flooded with requests for the ruleset and such other things.

To everyone I must apologize. I thought that I was clear when I stated that

1) This is in no way a promise to act on this suggestion.
2) Regardless of the outcome our current focus and plan for the year will always have a higher priority if something like this were to get started.

Our current direction is paramount to anything else and we will not allow anything outside of that to slow it down unless there is just cause to. Once again I apologize for engaging you on such a serious topic without considering all the angles or repercussions. You have shown how passionate you are about Vanguard on both sides and in the future I will make it a point to go about this in a more professional and official capacity. Once again I apologize to you all.

[Lonestryder]

Well that's the end of that

Worst thing possible, in my opinion. How in the world will they spin this? Now they are stuck admitting they gameplay direction is geared toward the ultra casual.

This should be fun.

[dwarfman420]

Gotta love that "mature community"

Was it sabatoge by the players who didn't want to see their server become a ghost town to the new "Vision" server?...

or was it all just a joke anyway?

Either way, to bad, that thread was really goin somewhere.

[ikaoma420]

Worst thing possible, in my opinion. How in the world will they spin this? Now they are stuck admitting they gameplay direction is geared toward the ultra casual.

This should be fun.

I'm kinda wondering if they were surprised by the amount of replies and how fast they stacked up. As silius said he already "knew what the majority was". I'm wondering did he go hoooly sheet they actually want this and the longer this thread gets the harder its going to be to not do this. Better cut this one off at the knees...

[ikaoma420]

Gotta love that "mature community"

Was it sabatoge by the players who didn't want to see their server become a ghost town to the new "Vision" server?...

or was it all just a joke anyway?

Either way, to bad, that thread was really goin somewhere.

Well from the claim that silius made that the people that didn't want the server were attacking him and being rude in PMs I wouldn't be surprised if it was the people who are happy Vanguard became their game as opposed to the game that people wanted at release.

When you see people responding to silius saying he had gotten rather rude PM from people that didn't want the server

It just goes to show what type of people those calling for a no life server, errrr I mean hardcore server really are. These people give the impression they have little to no social life or serious comments. If this is the way these losers are acting towards a dev team member, I think it would be a good thing to just ignore this vocal minority. As these type of people are so far up their own bottoms they're just not pleasant to be around. It's best not to do anything for them so they leave the community altogether for the greater good of the community. They'll soon be replaced by new players who'll stay because of the game being more accessible and fun, rather than just a frustrating time sink that caters to a few elitist asshats.




I for one think Vanguard is going the right route. Adults with proper life's who play this game don't have the luxury of spending all their free time sat in front a computer playing with increased time sinks to accomplish anything, not to mention this type of game play is void of fun, and only a challenge to ones ability to cope with your mind going numb. If that's the sort of challenge you want then go cut your front lawn with a pair of scissors. Keep up the good work dev team! Ignore the asshats


and when you get replies to threads on the issue like this

Everybody already knows the rule. The rule is you must have no social life or serious responsibilities in life to be able to sit down and give up what free time you have, and spend it challenging the limits of your frustration on ridicules game time sinks that are devoid of fun. Then go about parading your virtual achievements to other players deluding yourself that it actually means something.

[Lonestryder]

I don't know why I'm amazed anymore. I just have never seen anything do a complete 180 before like this in my life.

Ah, what drama!

[dwarfman420]

Well from the claim that silius made that the people that didn't want the server were attacking him and being rude in PMs I wouldn't be surprised if it was the people who are happy Vanguard became their game as opposed to the game that people wanted at release.

http://abowlofstupid.com/wp-content/2007/04/hateraid.jpg

"Official Drink of Vanguard... is it in you?!"

[ikaoma420]

http://abowlofstupid.com/wp-content/2007/04/hateraid.jpg

I hope your not calling me a hater... Im just one that thinks choices are a great thing.

Would I play on that server YES in fact it would prolly get me to resub as I have no desire to play Vanguard in the direction its headed.

[Lonestryder]

Well, the casuals had finally found a game where they can keep up with avid gamers ('cause there's no difference in VG), and destroy the MOB content. Threatening to take that away...seems to have brought out the "hardcore" in them, after all.

In the ongoing saga, today's events will certainly be one of the milestones.

[dwarfman420]

Not at all ikaoma, I was goin for a commercial type effect aimed at the VG playerbase that actually flooded the CS and sent bad pm's to Silius to get this new server suggestion nixed.

[ikaoma420]

Not at all ikaoma, I was goin for a commercial type effect aimed at the VG playerbase that actually flooded the CS and sent bad pm's to Silius to get this new server suggestion nixed.

Yeah that's what I figured.

[Lonestryder]

Wow, the censorship is amazing there now. The mods are working overtime to delete and lock any discussion of it whatsoever. This just keeps getting better.

[UnchainedAcolyte]

I'd like a "lore and features" server which had the features that were practically guaranteed for VG until about 3 months before release.

In all seriousness, what the devs should do if they want to assist the community is allow for xp to be disabled a la EQ2 and a mentor feature like EQ2 to allow high and low level characters to play/work together. This would help those obsessive about quests and lore (like myself) to get done what they want to do without having to outlevel the content.

Secondly, allow for scalable encounters in bosses and raids, where "heroic" encounters will cause a greater amount of damage to equipment, require more help, greater loss of XP (levels?), but offer better rewards like various versions of EQ2's epic weapon sets.

You can have these features on all servers so no one has to move unless they prefer to, and both the heavier and more casual players can be satisfied.

[Choctaw]

Are we all talking about the same thread? Silius closed it and said that is was a theortical conversation and he had no intention of actually implementing such a project.

[Kurron Nye]

Yea its about the same thread, but is talking more about the backlash that topic caused.

The hardcore vs casual debate is never ending, and I am sure many saw that thread by Silus as 'revisting' what they thought Brad's 'vision' was supposed to be.

In reality it us a reference to the dashed hopes they had built up prior to VG launch, and folks don't like to be reminded of the difference between what they expected and what they got. Folks get angry when they are made to feel like chumps.

Silus accidentally opend the door wide and let the VG 'vision' angst flow.

Feel sorry for the Indian CS people who had to deall with all the angry petitions that were 4 page long descriptions of what the Vision shoul be.

[Reven]

Silius the amateur strikes again, lol.