Vanguard Saga of Douchebags

[Shatstaffel]

Ive never met such a horrible online community in my life I have started playing mmo's since diablo 1 -2 and world of warcraft + guild wars and all I can say is that in vanguard I asked ONE question "where do i find the alchemist" and i had about 15 ppl say "ASK A GUARD NUB" or some variation there of; in the time it took them to write that they could of just told me the answer but no they had to belittle me in front of everyone, why cant you just help people who have not played beta for 2 years+ prior to today? this is not just one time either a previous engagement i asked where the fighter trainer was, and i got a flurry oif insults like GTFO and ASK A GUARD but if i could find a guard i wouldnt be asking now would i? All in all i would say the people i met in vanguard thusfore are jerks compared to every other mmoprg community ive had the privelage to be apart of and its sad realy given that vanguard could of been so much more but due to this horrible online and unhelpful community is doomed to fail.

[Faffy]

/ignore Shatstaffel

[Shatstaffel]

/ignore Shatstaffel

yet another prime exmaple of what i have observed of your community thusfare

[vylo]

You must not have played wow very much, because the ONLY response I've ever seen to questions such as that is "look at the map/read the quest/talk to a guard, etc."

On my server everyone is very helpful. Expect some harshness when asking questions like these. Most of the people playing this game are doing so for a challenging game involving exploration and they get peeved when people try to take an easy way out.

[Lana]

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[Dojo]

They were helping you. They pointed you toward a game feature that may provide you with more knowledge in the future should you need it. You learned somthing about the game more dynamic than just where the alchemist is. If you want to see it in a pessimistic light by all means go ahead, but do not expect people to agree with you or apologize for not having the manners you feel are appropriate.

If you dislike the community as a whole then you should not stay. If you think calling people a douchebag is appropriate then I think you got what you deserve regarding the matter. Do not become a hypocrite simply because you are angry at a few people.

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What she said.

[Loampounder]

While I understand that people could be nicer, the OP wants answers but is not willing to put up with something like nub?

Perhaps you are on the wrong server? Woefeather is very helpful.

[Eldahir]

*shrug* I haven't seen much of that on Gelenia. Except one mentally challenged hero started bitching at me cause she/he/it didn't believe when I told someone where those aggro lvl 17 spiders in dark elf starting areas are coming from :)

But so far I've only met one retard like mentioned above, rest have been nice and all that.

[Therian]

For the most part, people won't be able to point you to a specific npc. However, they do know that guards will be able to add a lot of npcs to their journal.

Next time, perhaps you could try: Where do I find [npc]? The guards don't have a location for him."

[Shatstaffel]

For the most part, people won't be able to point you to a specific npc. However, they do know that guards will be able to add a lot of npcs to their journal.

Next time, perhaps you could try: Where do I find [npc]? The guards don't have a location for him."

thanks you for the advice; iam trying to be polite as possible in game when askin for direction/npc etc but sometimes even when I do ask a guard they can not tell me where things are (like bind pts)? and when I ask the vanguard community it is like some runnin joke that they should not tell the new players which makes everything very frustarting, but I do realize that it can be hard for veterans to talk to new players but all I ask is to build a better community together

[b4t3m4n]

Ive never met such a horrible online community in my life I have started playing mmo's since diablo 1 -2 and world of warcraft + guild wars and all I can say is that in vanguard I asked ONE question "where do i find the alchemist" and i had about 15 ppl say "ASK A GUARD NUB" or some variation there of; in the time it took them to write that they could of just told me the answer but no they had to belittle me in front of everyone, why cant you just help people who have not played beta for 2 years+ prior to today? this is not just one time either a previous engagement i asked where the fighter trainer was, and i got a flurry oif insults like GTFO and ASK A GUARD but if i could find a guard i wouldnt be asking now would i? All in all i would say the people i met in vanguard thusfore are jerks compared to every other mmoprg community ive had the privelage to be apart of and its sad realy given that vanguard could of been so much more but due to this horrible online and unhelpful community is doomed to fail.

Have you ever stopped and tried to think of how hard it may be to actually describe where something is in a town with a lot of npc's?

Second thing that really gets old is when you help someone, they come back to you for dozens and dozens of questions and expect to be spoon fed. For example, it has been asked probably 1000 times "where are the bard instruments in tursh?". Whats the point of answering when someone else is going to ask in 10 minutes.

[Cayleu Starshine]

Shatstaffel, its amusing that you are now trying to moderate your tone and criticism of the community, but the topic you chose to grace us with for your post has me convinced that you are an utter waste of my time, and the sooner you quit, the better.

[bluesugar]

Hmm, I just came from V Vault to see what was cooking over here and I saw this same thread title with a cut and paste post body. Now I understand that the OP has had the misfortune to deal with rude people on his server. I think there are better ways to get info then putting it up on shout, which is probably what happened.

I also think that going to another website and posting the same inflammatory topic cut and paste from who knows how many other forums smacks of attention grabbing.

I can see both sides of the story. Sure people shouldn't be so rude when they post in chat. At the same time, it seems that people who are used to being "spoon fed" quests from other unmentionable games don't bother to try and figure stuff out for themselves. They seem to spend all of 10 seconds looking for something before /shouting for help.

I'm not saying I haven't done it in the past. But, if I do put up a question in shout 9 times out 0f 10 it's because I'm tired of looking and want the easy way out. I just have developed a thicker skin and expect some smartass comments.

I love MMORPG's but in the past have almost stopped playing them due to rude people. Then I realized that I can just pretend they are having a bad day and choose to ignore them. Don't give up on the game because of some bad apples.

There are plenty of cool ppl playing if you take the time to look.

PS I'm so tired right now I forgot the server I'm on and my toon's name, but post up your info and maybe we'll be on the same one and I can give you a hand if needed.

[bluesugar]

Heh just remembered- Ardun on Shidreth, send me a tell if you're on the same server as me.

[gelfling]

To the OP: It really is all in the way you pose your question. If you were as rude and confrontational in game as you are in your original post, then you earned the rude responses. I agree with the others who said that the responses indicated that you did receive help. I don't see any rudeness in their responses at all though it's difficult to see past your angry words to what actually happened.

You also need to remember that this is a new game and not everyone had the time to play in beta nor would they have spent time doing exactly what you are doing. So people actually don't know the answer to your question and are probably just as amazed at your expecting them to know as you are at what you perceived as rude behaviour.

Do remember that this community is comprised of people from all over the world - of different ages and backgrounds; from different games and with different senses of humour. Once you take all of those things into consideration, you will have a much more enjoyable experience of both Vanguard and the community.

Perhaps I haven't had enough coffee yet but I do not see mention of the name of the server where you had this experience...

My experience of the Vanguard community is the experience of being part of a first class group of people.

...gelfling

[gelfling]

Have you ever stopped and tried to think of how hard it may be to actually describe where something is in a town with a lot of npc's?<snip>
Not to mention that whilst in the middle of a diplomacy conversation, we were all mysteriously booted off... When I duly logged back in, the npc I was talking to had moved out of the room and into the corridor. :) Although he is now where he is supposed to be, it did take me by surprise :D

...gelfling

[Loampounder]

I also think that going to another website and posting the same inflammatory topic cut and paste from who knows how many other forums smacks of attention grabbing.

To be more direct, it's just as rude to post things like "douchebags" over and over again on various forums as it is to call someone "nub" over a shout. The OP is part of the problem.

[benbanglong]

OP, ever heard about teach a man to fish instead of giving him fish?

[Elchivato]

OP, ever heard about teach a man to fish instead of giving him fish?

:D

[Warspawn]

Quick question..

What server are you on?

The reason I ask is because often I see shouted,

"Ware R Trainer 4 ME?"

Sorry, but this just gets a grin from me at times. I saw you mentioned Diablo and WoW. Try typing in complete sentences, maybe trying /ooc instead of shouts, especially if you're on the r/p server.

I'm not going to assume anything, or toss a gross generalization out there. Ok, maybe I am.

Are you asking politely. Are you asking in /ooc instead of shout. Are you using approximately appropriate English? Leet speak and hasty abbreviations tend to bring out the worst in folks at times, so I'd save that for your /guild and /group chats instead of shouts when you need help.

"have started playing mmo's since diablo 1 -2 and world of warcraft + guild wars and all I can say is that in vanguard I asked ONE question "where do i find the alchemist"

...runnin joke that they should not tell the new players which makes everything very frustarting"

yes, it is very
'frustrarting" at times to look at shout and wonder wtf do they mean by "amirite abote teh grapx ngine?" Huh?

[Samael]

Insulting the entire community as a result of your perception of a response to a question says a lot about your judgement, or lack of.

[Atoyota]

To the OP, topic title is a bit harsh... better to catch flys with sugar, rather than salt.

Also, when playing games that use chat boxes instead of being restricted to local chat, you get a lot of flamers becuase they can be anonymous and obnoxious without really identifying themselves.

Even shout is (or was) chunk wide...

Sign of the times though, so no in game community will ever be much different, and sadly most players don't know any different either, as it's been like this for the last few years at least.

So patience and a "thick skin" are required....

Best of luck to ya

[dmodert66]

Wow...Today I had such a different experience than the OP. I started off by myself (guildee's were not on yet). I was soloing at level 5 or 6, and was invited to a group. We stayed together for quite some time, then I left because my guild members came on (of course I helped them finish thier quests before I left).
After that, it was all guildee's for about 5 hours....Then most left. Just 2 of us left...We are now level 8/9. We immediately found a group, and there were ALOT of screw ups....We died several times, but everyone was gracious about it. We are all learning a new game, and everyone has been great so far.
To the OP, sorry you had a bad experience, but not all are like that. Also, you have to take some of the blame yourself. When they said "ask the guards", perhaps that's what you should have done...(this works by the way...I tried it myself....:eek: )
All in all, today was one of the BEST (first few days) that I've had in an MMO...PERIOD!!! (and that is saying alot...I've played most). There are launch "weekend" problems to be sure, but geez, I'm having a blast so far...

[Fozzik]

I may be old-fashioned... but that title gets you a trip to the volcano. Feel free to continue the lively discussion of various hygiene products in that forum. :)

[Pixi]

I may be old-fashioned... but that title gets you a trip to the volcano. Feel free to continue the lively discussion of various hygiene products in that forum. :)

Soap! Soap I say!

/drool, slobber

[cversion7]

I have asked a couple of questions on my server and gotten multiple responses. I like to figure things out myself, but sometimes I miss some minute detail and I'm not ashamed to ask for help mostly because I've seen so many other people asking questions and getting answers. Even a couple minutes after my question gets answered, someone else asks the same question and still multiple positive responses are given.

[Ddrak]

I have started playing mmo's since diablo...
Sorry, I got that far and collapsed from laughter. What was the topic again?

Dd

[Ominous]

I may be old-fashioned... but that title gets you a trip to the volcano. Feel free to continue the lively discussion of various hygiene products in that forum. :)

Yes...YES!...Feed my Fire Penguins! They become stronger and stronger with each thread and shall soon be an army powerful to conquer the internet!

[Ziegfried Trueblade]

Considering the current climate of the online gaming "community" I am not suprised! But you have the game design to thank for this behavior for you see if you could not ask the guards, then the players would be a lot more tolerable of questions about the city. It sounds like we have WoW syndrome here.

If you consider Diablo an MMORPG that already shows me you have no clue what you are talking about. And if you played WoW you shoulda known you could ask the guards so that makes this even more ridiculous.

I think the OP just wanted to say "saga of douchebags"!

[Venjenz]

I think the OP just wanted to say "saga of douchebags"!

Bingo, we have a winner.

Vanguard forums will be seeing the same drama as EQ1, DAoC, AO, EQ2, WoW, and any other MMO of any size. There will always be that percentage of player who needs to feel hurt and put upon, so they ask stuff like "how do I equip my sword" or "where is the main town?" without ever trying to figure it out with all the stuff in the game put there to help them do just that.

Personally, I turn shout off in any MMO the second I make a new character. Then I never have to read things like the OP's question.

Somehow, without ever doing a /shout, I have managed to get to level 10, start up smithing, and do most of the quests in Bordanir Cleft.

It's....it's....it's as if the game comes with all sorts of helpful advice.....

[greyline]

More like Saga of Zeros am i rite?

[mamamccann]

More like Saga of Zeros am i rite?

Hmm so sorry to hear....I try to help the noobs...we are not all Zeros:D