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detzx
01-31-2007, 09:41 AM
When you right click on someone and choose Civic Diplomacy you get a list of things they will talk to you about and they have a number. Ive noticed that the lower number people are easier but what is this number...their skill? I can't beat 350+ guys they only have 1 damn points on their side which sucks.

Allaei
01-31-2007, 10:06 AM
yeah, as far as I have taken it that is their Diplomacy level.

If you look around the city you should find some random citizens walking around that have lower levels starting at 50. If you talk to them you should be able to complete parleys and move your own level up.

Mithrull
01-31-2007, 10:31 AM
Its their status within their station. More status means successful diplomacy moves the levers faster. The greater the disparity between your skill and their status, the bigger the difference in influence you start a parley with. Really a lot of terminology with this sphere.

detzx
01-31-2007, 10:39 AM
But I'm assuming it's harder the larger the number correct? Does this number effect the number of points they start of with?

kharzan
01-31-2007, 11:05 AM
Yeah thats right mate, if they have 350 (for example) and you have only 50 diplomacy, then its likely they will need only a single point to win the parlay.

DocSavag
01-31-2007, 11:09 AM
Yeah thats right mate, if they have 350 (for example) and you have only 50 diplomacy, then its likely they will need only a single point to win the parlay.

Yea thats right. It is their diplomacy skill level. You can probalby beat 50-75 fairily easily, 100-125 is probably challenging if its set up right..higher than that is going to be tough. The level difference affects the number of points they have to win to beat you. (Yours are determined by the number of dialogue entries in the encounter so its generally very static)

Absalon
01-31-2007, 11:40 AM
Its their status within their station. More status means successful diplomacy moves the levers faster. The greater the disparity between your skill and their status, the bigger the difference in influence you start a parley with. Really a lot of terminology with this sphere.

This is not correct. The amount of presence you have within a particular station controls how much you can move a lever with a single successful parley. When you start out you are a newcomer (you can see this displayed on your presence bars). Once you hit 75 presence with a station, you will become known and can then move levers with that station by 2 per parley.

To the OP, here is how it works. The number you see is the NPC's skill level. That skill level is measured against your skill level in the following way. For every 5 points difference between your skill level and the NPC's, the NPC will need 1 point more or less to win the parley.

Example: Parley with 12 lines of dialogue

Since there are 12 lines of dialogue in the parley, you will need 12 points to win. The points you need to win will always match the number of lines of dialogue in the parley, regardless of your skill level. This is because each time you win a point, you are shown a line of dialogue, so the numbers have to match.

The difference in skill levels comes into play with the NPC. The amount of points he needs to win will be higher or lower than the number of lines of dialogue (12 in this case) depending on his skill level as compared to yours.

Let's say that you are skill 40 and the NPC is skill 50. You need 12 points in this example, but the NPC only needs 10 (12 - ((50-40)/5)). There is no rounding, so if you are skill 41, the NPC would need 11 points to win. Once you hit skill 46, then he would need 12 points to win, same as you. When you hit skill 55, the NPC would need 13 points, etc.

There are limits on this, however. The NPC will cap out at 2 times what you need. So in this example, the most points the NPC would ever need to win would be 24, even if you were skill 500.

Likewise, the minimum points the NPC will ever need (barring bugs) is 1. If you are skill 40 and the NPC is skill 200, you would need 12 points to win and the NPC would need 1.