More Frames Please!

[Epileptick]

Hey guys. I love Vanguard and really really really wish my PC could use it's full potential running it.....*eg SLI compatibility, Duel Core

I have 2x SLI Geforce 7300GT
2 gigs of corsair extreem ram
Intel Duo Core 2 - 2.3
X-FI platinum sound card

When I first started playing the game last week, I had 7 frames on bottom end settings. Then I disabled Sli, and it jumped to 30. After tweaking and consuming as much info I could on forums, now I can run on second lowest and get 15 - 20 frames.....in deserted areas I can get 40 frames if im lucky.

To me this is unacceptable. I understand the game isn't completely finished, but I am now obsessed with doing everything I can to make this work.

My question: I heard from somone that there are compatibility issues with Geforce "GT" cards, being "factory overclocked". They said if I can get the card to run at it's default settings then Vangaurd will run smoother. Also I read in many places that Vanguard runs better in Pixel Shaders 2.0, which is ridiculous considering any of todays FX cards are 3.0.......

....Now I love the game enough to even switch to 2.0, but every link that is posted for the program that converts to 2.0, has a broken link.

If anyone can help me with these questions and please please please don't try to say I need to upgrade my system. I want a Geforce 8800 just as bad as the next person, but lets be realistic - this game even with settings on full should not need anywhere CLOSE to better than my machine.

Thanks guys,

- Epi

[Faite]

Hey guys. I love Vanguard and really really really wish my PC could use it's full potential running it.....*eg SLI compatibility, Duel Core

I have 2x SLI Geforce 7300GT
2 gigs of corsair extreem ram
Intel Duo Core 2 - 2.3
X-FI platinum sound card

When I first started playing the game last week, I had 7 frames on bottom end settings. Then I disabled Sli, and it jumped to 30. After tweaking and consuming as much info I could on forums, now I can run on second lowest and get 15 - 20 frames.....in deserted areas I can get 40 frames if im lucky.

To me this is unacceptable. I understand the game isn't completely finished, but I am now obsessed with doing everything I can to make this work.

My question: I heard from somone that there are compatibility issues with Geforce "GT" cards, being "factory overclocked". They said if I can get the card to run at it's default settings then Vangaurd will run smoother. Also I read in many places that Vanguard runs better in Pixel Shaders 2.0, which is ridiculous considering any of todays FX cards are 3.0.......

....Now I love the game enough to even switch to 2.0, but every link that is posted for the program that converts to 2.0, has a broken link.

If anyone can help me with these questions and please please please don't try to say I need to upgrade my system. I want a Geforce 8800 just as bad as the next person, but lets be realistic - this game even with settings on full should not need anywhere CLOSE to better than my machine.

Thanks guys,

- Epi

Im no expert but from what I have learned I think it is probably your video card. Try a 7600gs or gt, or even the 7800 I hear is good.

(I cant believe people think 300.00 cards are budget cards, the cards I just gave you should be doable on a budget)

And I don't think its that your card is GT, its that its a 7300....or that its factory overclocked (my card is too...and works well, but im using x1300 xge (overclocked to 600mhz.)

[Elyan]

yeah man, its your graphics cards all the way. I would upgrade to 1 7600, 7800, 7900. you would see a great improvement. just don't expect too high. I'm getting 70 fps on highest quality in the open field and I have a 8800gtx.

[Faite]

yeah man, its your graphics cards all the way. I would upgrade to 1 7600, 7800, 7900. you would see a great improvement. just don't expect too high. I'm getting 70 fps on highest quality in the open field and I have a 8800gtx.

Yea i should have said on my lil x1300 xge Im getting 20 to 30 everywhere but inside cities, then its like 18. On my old grandpa 9700pro was getting like 15 in open and 3 in cities lol.

It is your card :) new egg and tiger direct have great deals on agp and pci express 7600-7800 series. Plus nice write ups for each brand.

[Vallas]

I was worried about the framerate when I first ran the game last night but surprisingly (based on what I have read) it ran incredibly smooth. I have a 7950 GX2 which I saw someone else somewhere that had the same thing and was complaining. I have every setting maxed out and its pretty darn smooth.

6700 2.4 Dual Core
2 Gig Corsair Extreme RAM
Evga 7950 DX2 Gual GPU/1Gig memory
Razer Barracuda AC-1 Sound

[Epileptick]

I'm pretty sure I don't have to buy new video cards. I think the issue here is because vanguard cuts your frames in half when you have SLI. But that is somthing they will work on, and in the mean time I just want to know what I can do to make things run smoother while I wait patiently.

I just am looking to know if anyone can confirm the overclocked settings issue and how to fix it.

Again - saying I need better than what I have for a game like vanguard is ridiculous. Especially since the only problems that are holding my frames back are the fact my computer is too good for what the game is compatible with. I gaurentee you I wont be spending more money on a card when I vanguard STILL runs better with pixel shaders 2.0 and STILL isn't SLi compatable, and STILL doesn't recognize a duel core processer. That would be just silly.

[fordfanboi]

Im no expert but from what I have learned I think it is probably your video card. Try a 7600gs or gt, or even the 7800 I hear is good.

(I cant believe people think 300.00 cards are budget cards, the cards I just gave you should be doable on a budget)

And I don't think its that your card is GT, its that its a 7300....or that its factory overclocked (my card is too...and works well, but im using x1300 xge (overclocked to 600mhz.)

Dual core CPU's are NOT good for today's games. You're effectively running at half speed once everything in the area is cached. This will eventually change, and games will be designed for dual core CPU's, but currently it's best to get the biggest single core CPU you can afford.

I'm running an AMD 64 FX-55 O/C'd to 2.9ghz and SLI 7900GT's O/C'd to 570mhz and can still see under 20fps ( everything maxxed ). I do also see around 40 in some areas outside tho. Definitely set the SLI performance mode to Alternating Frames ( not Alternating Frames 2 ) - well - that makes the biggest difference on my 7900GT's.

You should be able to turn on the GPU loading overlay in the game. If you see that it's not filling the entire screen ( or very close ), then you can assume your processor is the bottleneck.

[jrey]

Im no expert but from what I have learned I think it is probably your video card. Try a 7600gs or gt, or even the 7800 I hear is good.

(I cant believe people think 300.00 cards are budget cards, the cards I just gave you should be doable on a budget)

And I don't think its that your card is GT, its that its a 7300....or that its factory overclocked (my card is too...and works well, but im using x1300 xge (overclocked to 600mhz.)


I'm running a 7900gt (eVGA so it's overclocked to its limits) and I get decent frame rates with most parameters on high.

[Faite]

I'm running a 7900gt (eVGA so it's overclocked to its limits) and I get decent frame rates with most parameters on high.

Still think is the 7300 card but hey what do I know :) Im just going by my experience on the beta performance forums and here, nothing more.

Good luck to you on figuring it out. (My CPU is only a P4 2.6 with 800 side bus, so I really amnot sure the CPU is your hang up....)

[Epileptick]

guys, im not asking what anyone else is running, or if I need new hardware or not.

All I want to know is if anyone is familiar with the "GT factory overclocking" issue and if or how to fix it.

I also was asking if anyone knows a non broken link to make the card think im using Vertex Pixel Shaders 2.0

That is all im looking for answers on.

I would also like to add that if I run things on low and bite the bullet like everyone else I get 40 - 50 frames after I turn off Sli. I'm concerned with not being able to run the game on FULL not low settings. The PC does that fine.

[Elyan]

7300s aren't that good. try posting your question in fozziks hardware forums. they will be better equipped to answer your rollback questions than a general vanguard discussion forum. still there is only so much you can do with those cards.

[fordfanboi]

guys, im not asking what anyone else is running, or if I need new hardware or not.

All I want to know is if anyone is familiar with the "GT factory overclocking" issue and if or how to fix it.

I also was asking if anyone knows a non broken link to make the card think im using Vertex Pixel Shaders 2.0

That is all im looking for answers on.

I would also like to add that if I run things on low and bite the bullet like everyone else I get 40 - 50 frames after I turn off Sli. I'm concerned with not being able to run the game on FULL not low settings. The PC does that fine.

Never heard of a GT factory overclock issue. Didn't see one on Google either.

I recall seeing a DisableShaderModel3 or similar setting in the Vanguard ini. Are you enabling that?

If you get 40-50 with SLI off, what are the framerates with SLI on? I take a HUGE hit when I disable SLI - so long as I'm using Alternating Frames mode.

[Nikkoli]

I just wish they would get SLI to work in Vanguard. I cant wait to see the wonderment of highest settings at over 60 FPS

[fordfanboi]

I just wish they would get SLI to work in Vanguard. I cant wait to see the wonderment of highest settings at over 60 FPS

You can make it work well with Vanguard by setting the SLI perf. mode to Alternating Frames. I see about 80% GPU loading this way. Do you mean natively?

You have mondo hardware - what FPS do you see with everything at maximum?

[Epileptick]

Okay - this alternating frames jumbo caught my attention. I am not at home right now so I can't check what setting it was on, but i'll bet it wasn't on alternating.

To the person who asked how many frames I got with it on: it was about 10 on average, somtimes as low as 7.

I can't wait to go home and check that out, I think you are on to somthing :) So thanks in advance.

To the person who thinks 2x Sli Geforce 7300GT cards are garbage - please tell me why this is the only game I ever ever seen a flaw, littone horrible frames like this? I don't think it's my cards fault if WoW, and Battlefield run with minimum 60+ frames. I don't know how many times I have to say it: This post wasn't asking for people to tell me to get better cards. Stop wasting your time telling me.

[Jacosta]

Okay - this alternating frames jumbo caught my attention. I am not at home right now so I can't check what setting it was on, but i'll bet it wasn't on alternating.

To the person who asked how many frames I got with it on: it was about 10 on average, somtimes as low as 7.

I can't wait to go home and check that out, I think you are on to somthing :) So thanks in advance.

To the person who thinks 2x Sli Geforce 7300GT cards are garbage - please tell me why this is the only game I ever ever seen a flaw, littone horrible frames like this? I don't think it's my cards fault if WoW, and Battlefield run with minimum 60+ frames. I don't know how many times I have to say it: This post wasn't asking for people to tell me to get better cards. Stop wasting your time telling me.

Because Vanguard doesn't support SLI yet, so it's only using one of your GPUs.

[fordfanboi]

Because Vanguard doesn't support SLI yet, so it's only using one of your GPUs.

Vanguard doesn't have to support it. You can force the cards to share the work by having each render a separate frame. There are multiple options you can choose from. Alternating Frame ( 1 ) works the best with Vanguard from what I've seen in my testing.

EDIT: You can task swap and change between the different options then swap back in and see the result. Makes finding the perfect settings very easy. I did most of my testing in the King's room in Bordinar's Cleft ( there are 5? NPC's that never move ). Just stood in the doorway and compared frame rates on different settings.

[Epileptick]

Vanguard doesn't have to support it. You can force the cards to share the work by having each render a separate frame. There are multiple options you can choose from. Alternating Frame ( 1 ) works the best with Vanguard from what I've seen in my testing.

EDIT: You can task swap and change between the different options then swap back in and see the result. Makes finding the perfect settings very easy. I did most of my testing in the King's room in Bordinar's Cleft ( there are 5? NPC's that never move ). Just stood in the doorway and compared frame rates on different settings.

That makes perfect sense, and is exactly the answer I have been searching for! Where is this option? In the nvidia control side panel thingy? Under what header just so I don't search forever?

Thanks again

[Epileptick]

I recall seeing a DisableShaderModel3 or similar setting in the Vanguard ini. Are you enabling that?


I didn't notice your question here:

What should that setting be on? On or off?

[fordfanboi]

That makes perfect sense, and is exactly the answer I have been searching for! Where is this option? In the nvidia control side panel thingy? Under what header just so I don't search forever?

Thanks again

I'm at work, so it's a POS Nvidia card, but the attached image will show you how to find it. Make sure to set the View under Global Driver Settings to Advanced - then if you scroll down the list, you'll see SLI Performance mode ( probably on Auto or Single GPU mode ). Set that to Alternating Frames ( not Alternating Frames 2 ) and you should be set. Also, in the SLI enable window, you can turn on GPU loading overlay and see how much of the GPU is getting used. If the green bar is small, your CPU is likely the bottleneck. If the green bar is large - stretching almost from top to bottom, then you know your GPU's are working hard instead of the CPU.

[fordfanboi]

I didn't notice your question here:

What should that setting be on? On or off?

I'm not certain. I assume if you want to use v2.0 shaders, you'd set that to true to disable 3.0.... unless it enabled 4.0 ( DirectX 10? ). heh - I guess you could try it and see.

[Swaindaddy]

Couple things you may not want to hear:

1. Your noticing a difference because Vanguard is a new game. Watch as your comp is unable to max out any new game that comes out this year - sadly we are back in the hardware upgrade cycle.

2. Please, please, please tell me you didn't use WoW as an example of what your comp can run. I have a laptop with a 1.2G processor that can run WoW on a 400 MX card lol.

I hope the Alternating deal helps your frames and that I can upgrade soon to get something better than what I have.

The biggest issue is that NEW games are here - they will demand new hardware. Yes 7000 series is getting outdated. Yes we will need more RAM than we have now.
:rolleyes:

PS - I tried the Shaders deal and it did little to nothing for improvement for me, FYI.

[fordfanboi]

The biggest issue is that NEW games are here - they will demand new hardware. Yes 7000 series is getting outdated. Yes we will need more RAM than we have now.

I'm hoping that when Vanguard natively supports SLI, that it will combine the RAM so that SLI machines will have double the RAM for texture storage, etc. The way it is now with alternate frames, each card has the same textures, etc. in memory.

Should see an improvement once it's native... but at least SLI is better than not as is.

[norvak]

I am running a XFX 7600 card and I get around 26-30 fps on high settings. Now my system including vid card is overclocked, but I can run smoothly with no crash. I do "hitch" or "chunk" whatever word you want to use when I enter a new zone. This really frustrates me, cause it usually means im dead if a mob is chasing me. I hear my HD churning, and while its defragged I am thinking of running raid0 to hopefully speed up my data access.

[Nikkoli]

I'm at work, so it's a POS Nvidia card, but the attached image will show you how to find it. Make sure to set the View under Global Driver Settings to Advanced - then if you scroll down the list, you'll see SLI Performance mode ( probably on Auto or Single GPU mode ). Set that to Alternating Frames ( not Alternating Frames 2 ) and you should be set. Also, in the SLI enable window, you can turn on GPU loading overlay and see how much of the GPU is getting used. If the green bar is small, your CPU is likely the bottleneck. If the green bar is large - stretching almost from top to bottom, then you know your GPU's are working hard instead of the CPU.

I will have to check when I get home if I have something similar since the Control panel doesn't look like that anymore. In response to your question about my framerate, If I am on balanced I get almost 70 outdoors and 40 indoors. With max I get about 30 outdoors and 10-20 indoors. I am sure its cause my SLI is affecting it but I am not sure how to force a non SLI program to use SLI.

[fordfanboi]

With max I get about 30 outdoors and 10-20 indoors. I am sure its cause my SLI is affecting it but I am not sure how to force a non SLI program to use SLI.

I get 30-40 outdoors and 20-30 indoors. It could very well be that your CPU is the bottleneck since Vanguard apparently doesn't make explicit use of dual core processors. Also, it could be that you need to enable alternating frames as I mentioned earlier. You may have to dig around a bit in your control panel, but I assume it's there somewhere. ;) Maybe you'll see a HUGE increase in frames if you find it. :cool:

[fordfanboi]

I am running a XFX 7600 card and I get around 26-30 fps on high settings. Now my system including vid card is overclocked, but I can run smoothly with no crash. I do "hitch" or "chunk" whatever word you want to use when I enter a new zone. This really frustrates me, cause it usually means im dead if a mob is chasing me. I hear my HD churning, and while its defragged I am thinking of running raid0 to hopefully speed up my data access.

Raid 0 may help, but won't eliminate the problem. I have a fresh XP install on SATA II Raid 0 with a 3GB page file and still see some hitching at zone boundaries. Only long enough for a critter to get 1 extra whakk on me, but it's still there.

Some boundaries are worse than others it seems.

[szaijan]

I'm pretty sure I don't have to buy new video cards. I think the issue here is because vanguard cuts your frames in half when you have SLI. But that is somthing they will work on, and in the mean time I just want to know what I can do to make things run smoother while I wait patiently.

I upgraded to a Athlon 64 X2 4800+ from a 4000+ single core and saw a framerate jump of about 10 fps on balanced settings. I attribute this to running Vanguard on a core with no other load (confirmed through the system monitor.) Brad once indicated in beta that there would be a multi-threaded, 64-bit client for VG, but that the current client is neither.

A week later, I upgraded from a single nVidia 7800GTX, 256 MB card (eVGA, minor stock overclock) to an SLI setup with two of that card. My frame rates in EQ2 approximately doubled in some of the higher quality settings (much more than doubled at Extreme setting), while my frame rate in Vanguard remained unchanged.

I currently average about 40 fps in balanced settings with the clip plane all the way out and HDR on. My frame rate in cities or heavily populated areas drops dramatically due to texture loading, but settles in ~20 fps. In some outdoor setting or in buildings where all the textures have already loaded, I can get 60+ fps. quite frequently. Max settings, with all features turned on) cuts my frame rates by about 10-15 fps, and is not worth the drop off, IMO.

In my experience, while the graphics card makes some difference, SLI is not supported at all and the CPU is a much larger determining factor. My friends laptop, with a 7800GTX Go 256 MB adapter and an FX57 CPU runs at about the same frame rates as my system.

When EQ2 and WoW first came out, nVidia SLI was pretty new and the game had to be supported in the nVidia nForce driver, rather than the game needing to support SLI. Has that changed? I don't recall seeing SLI support for Vanguard in the latest nForce driver notes.

[Vengeful]

Hey guys. I love Vanguard and really really really wish my PC could use it's full potential running it.....*eg SLI compatibility, Duel Core

I have 2x SLI Geforce 7300GT
2 gigs of corsair extreem ram
Intel Duo Core 2 - 2.3
X-FI platinum sound card

When I first started playing the game last week, I had 7 frames on bottom end settings. Then I disabled Sli, and it jumped to 30. After tweaking and consuming as much info I could on forums, now I can run on second lowest and get 15 - 20 frames.....in deserted areas I can get 40 frames if im lucky.

To me this is unacceptable. I understand the game isn't completely finished, but I am now obsessed with doing everything I can to make this work.

My question: I heard from somone that there are compatibility issues with Geforce "GT" cards, being "factory overclocked". They said if I can get the card to run at it's default settings then Vangaurd will run smoother. Also I read in many places that Vanguard runs better in Pixel Shaders 2.0, which is ridiculous considering any of todays FX cards are 3.0.......

....Now I love the game enough to even switch to 2.0, but every link that is posted for the program that converts to 2.0, has a broken link.

If anyone can help me with these questions and please please please don't try to say I need to upgrade my system. I want a Geforce 8800 just as bad as the next person, but lets be realistic - this game even with settings on full should not need anywhere CLOSE to better than my machine.

Thanks guys,

- Epi

Just a little refresher course.

7300GT

The 7 refers to the series. The 7 series are the DirextX 9.0c cards so in that case you're fine.

The second number, 3, is refering to the power of the card. 1-3 is usually buisness level, 4-6 is mid range, and 7-9 is high end. So what you have is a buisness grade card...pretty much worthless for gaming. You'd probably be better off with an earlier series high end card. Like a 6800 or something.

On top of that, SLI isn't supported in Vanguard...so you're only using one card right now your performance will probably increase once they turn SLI on...but more than likely not by much. I'd suggest at least upgrading to a 7900gt

[Zakonax]

I get 30-40 outdoors and 20-30 indoors. It could very well be that your CPU is the bottleneck since Vanguard apparently doesn't make explicit use of dual core processors. Also, it could be that you need to enable alternating frames as I mentioned earlier. You may have to dig around a bit in your control panel, but I assume it's there somewhere. ;) Maybe you'll see a HUGE increase in frames if you find it. :cool:

Ford - I have seen you post this on numerous occasions, and wanted to clarify. Vanguard does make use of dual core processors, it is just not optimised fully yet.

For example, when I am in game, my 2nd CPU is constantly running between 50% - 75% of the utilisation of my 1st CPU. So it's not being utilised as much as my primary CPU, but it certainly is being used to some extent.

[Raz Ealanyl]

Just a little refresher course.

7300GT

The 7 refers to the series. The 7 series are the DirextX 9.0c cards so in that case you're fine.

The second number, 3, is refering to the power of the card. 1-3 is usually buisness level, 4-6 is mid range, and 7-9 is high end. So what you have is a buisness grade card...pretty much worthless for gaming. You'd probably be better off with an earlier series high end card. Like a 6800 or something.


I was about to post something similar Vengeful, but you beat me to it. OP, instead of angrily dismissing the folks who are poo-pooing your video card, check some published benchmarks. Even with games that have SLI support, one 7600 GS gets about 50% better FPS than two SLI'ed 7300s. (see Tom's Hardware VGA charts, for instance).

I think folks are finally realizing that SLI/Crossfire is a clever plan to sell more video cards :)

[Vengeful]

I was about to post something similar Vengeful, but you beat me to it. OP, instead of angrily dismissing the folks who are poo-pooing your video card, check some published benchmarks. Even with games that have SLI support, one 7600 GS gets about 50% better FPS than two SLI'ed 7300s. (see Tom's Hardware VGA charts, for instance).

I think folks are finally realizing that SLI/Crossfire is a clever plan to sell more video cards :)

Yeah. The only time I would recommend an SLI setup is....well....

...SLI blows

[fordfanboi]

Ford - I have seen you post this on numerous occasions, and wanted to clarify. Vanguard does make use of dual core processors, it is just not optimised fully yet.

For example, when I am in game, my 2nd CPU is constantly running between 50% - 75% of the utilisation of my 1st CPU. So it's not being utilised as much as my primary CPU, but it certainly is being used to some extent.

Great! I assume that's primarily the Operating System responding to requests for data, etc. Hopefully they will finish it and get things balanced between cores... but only after they balance the Rogue class and make it playable! :p

[fordfanboi]

Yeah. The only time I would recommend an SLI setup is....well....

...SLI blows

SLI definitely increased my FPS in Vanguard. Already had a 7900GT, so I tossed in another ( different brand even ) and saw a > 33% improvement.

[Faite]

SLI definitely increased my FPS in Vanguard. Already had a 7900GT, so I tossed in another ( different brand even ) and saw a > 33% improvement.

Well it is hard to help people who won't listen. Im glad someone came up with why the 7300 isn't as good as say a 7600....but honestly I have a very low end card and its running it fine....but I just hear 'things' about the 7300 and vanguard.

I go by what I Hear around the forums and whatnot and so far the best card for people like you and I (on a budget) seems to be 7600gs/gt.

sorry if it rubs you the wrong way. Just lettign you know so if you can't get it working 'eventually' with all the other good tips here, you will know something you can upgrade to for fairly cheap.

[Vengeful]

SLI definitely increased my FPS in Vanguard. Already had a 7900GT, so I tossed in another ( different brand even ) and saw a > 33% improvement.

Would still rather have an 8800

[fordfanboi]

Would still rather have an 8800

Oh yes, I would too... however it would have cost me double the cost of the additional 9700GT, so I'll wait and SLI 8800 GTX's when they are affordable. :D Granted, that means the 9800GTX will be available too... haha

[Epileptick]

I can't believe how many times I neeed to say that I don't want to hear I need another card - and that I want help with my current card.

You people actually think I don't believe you that my 7300GT isn't as good as a 7800? I am not sure what you guys think this forum post was even about, but im pretty sure most of you need to read my original posts as well as the others, so that you understand how much time your wasting.

I KNOW my 7300GT isn't as good as cards higher than it. I KNOW Sli isn't compatible. Whoever here wants to disregard my asking for help in a completely unrelated topic just to say that I need another video card because it's not THE BEST (which is completely irrelivant considering IF SLI WAS COMPATIBLE I WOULDN'T BE HAVING A PROBLEM), well you can go buy me one. Send me a private message and ill give you my address, and you can send me an $800 dollar 8800, and while your add it you can buy my kid some diapers, because they are starting to become expensive as well.

You know how to tell somone who is good with tech support and has a good amount of knowledge in computers from a person who doesn't? The people who know what they are talking about give solutions to people. They don't say "Go buy a better computer". That is a response from somone who doesn't know how to answer me original question.

I don't mean to be rude to you guys, but I am here looking for help and your posts pretty much ruined my chances of getting good help because your distorting the topic of the post with your garbage.

PLEASE don't waste everyones time by posting if you don't know any answers.

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Fordfanboi: Sorry for the big ugly post before I addressed you, I appricate you being the only person here actually trying to help me. Also that screen shot was great help, thank you for going out of your way like that.

Only I am not sure I have the same drivers as you. Or perhaps the wording of that setting is different. I have the options of setting "Single GPU rendering, Multi GPU rendering, or Antialiasing Rendering" - I tried all those settings and still the game runs better on single with SLI totally off.

I got theses cards and the driver CD's in November, so they are the most recent, and I downloaded the most recent on the NVIDIA website just to be sure....but no avail.

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Again people please don't waste my time and ruin this thread anymore. If you people even read my posts you would see that your telling me to get a new videocard when I have the same frames as everyone else. This post is about getting MOOOOOOORE frames. There is no way you people are going to change my mind, and buy a new card any faster than I already would. Don't post unless you know how to give me more frames with what I have.

Jesus Christ....

[Ryngard]

http://forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m?start=45&topic_id=16

I am in the same boat.

I have a Pentium D 3.0, 2 gig of DDR2 533 ram, GeForce 7600 512mg PCI-e card, X-fi soundcard and I have two options to play...

High Performance with sound on - Outdoors avg 30 FPS, Cities avg 10-15 FPS (at best, it can fluctuate 5 FPS either way)

Balanced with sound off - Outdoors 25-45 FPS (depends on where), Cities avg 10-20 FPS (again, depends on where.

I find this outrageous! The game is playable and I LOVE the game itself. The problem is that while I don't expect to be on maxed settings I would find the following acceptable:

Balanced w/ Sound - Field 40-50 FPS, Cities 20-30 FPS.

I don't think that is asking too much. Additionally my wife has a similar system (though mine is better... for instance she has an AGP card while mine is PCI-e, etc) and we have IDENTICAL FPS. I should be ahead but I'm not.

I've done ALL the tweaks. I've done EVERYTHING suggested and the ONLY thing that changes FPS is turning off sound and/or going to HIGHEST performance.

[fordfanboi]

Only I am not sure I have the same drivers as you. Or perhaps the wording of that setting is different. I have the options of setting "Single GPU rendering, Multi GPU rendering, or Antialiasing Rendering" - I tried all those settings and still the game runs better on single with SLI totally off.

I got theses cards and the driver CD's in November, so they are the most recent, and I downloaded the most recent on the NVIDIA website just to be sure....but no avail.

You know, I saw those same options once - was when I flip-flopped the cards. One of mine is an XFX, and the other is an EVga, and I swapped their slots to see if one was faster than the other and I saw the same options. When I switched them back, the Multi GPU Rendering option / Antialiasing options were gone and the Alternate Frame Rendering, etc. were listed.

I've posted a question on how to get those settings over on SLI Zone. Here's the link to the thread: http://forums.slizone.com/index.php?showtopic=1444 We'll see what they have to say.

[fordfanboi]

I don't think that is asking too much. Additionally my wife has a similar system (though mine is better... for instance she has an AGP card while mine is PCI-e, etc) and we have IDENTICAL FPS. I should be ahead but I'm not.

Are both of those PC's running the same resolution - ie 1280x1024, etc?

If the only difference is Graphic Card interface ( same CPU ) then it may be that the CPU is your bottleneck - so much so that the graphic interface makes no performance difference.

I'd recommend backing up the VGClient.ini on one machine and replacing it with the same file from the other machine. That way you can get a DIRECT comparison of the two PC's and make sure it's a hardware / drivers thing and not a Vanguard config issue.

[Elyan]

epilepdick,

what these good people are trying to tell you is that you CANNOT get good performance from those cards. they were bottom end when they came out... 2 years ago. you cannot really expect to keep up with a next gen game just because your cards play wow!? I got some news for you... nevermind you would probly tell me that it plays morrowind good too. try oblivion and tell me that it should play 1 cause it played the other. work a double or mow someones lawn if you want to keep up with next gen games. if not... go back to wow. don't get mad at these people trying to help you out cause its not what you wanted to hear!

[Faite]

http://forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m?start=45&topic_id=16

I am in the same boat.

I have a Pentium D 3.0, 2 gig of DDR2 533 ram, GeForce 7600 512mg PCI-e card, X-fi soundcard and I have two options to play...

High Performance with sound on - Outdoors avg 30 FPS, Cities avg 10-15 FPS (at best, it can fluctuate 5 FPS either way)

Balanced with sound off - Outdoors 25-45 FPS (depends on where), Cities avg 10-20 FPS (again, depends on where.

I find this outrageous! The game is playable and I LOVE the game itself. The problem is that while I don't expect to be on maxed settings I would find the following acceptable:

Balanced w/ Sound - Field 40-50 FPS, Cities 20-30 FPS.

I don't think that is asking too much. Additionally my wife has a similar system (though mine is better... for instance she has an AGP card while mine is PCI-e, etc) and we have IDENTICAL FPS. I should be ahead but I'm not.

I've done ALL the tweaks. I've done EVERYTHING suggested and the ONLY thing that changes FPS is turning off sound and/or going to HIGHEST performance.

LOL, yea but the thing is, we feel its your card.

If you would read what the kind people, including myself have said, is there is a budget way out of this, get 7600gs or gt.

Noone is assuming you are made out of money but like me with my 9700pro, you just can't make it work no matter what you do with vanguard. Sure the card ran it, sure it ran it at 5fps and I was miserable in game all the time.

I spent VERY LITTLE MONEY on upgrading to a cheesey x1300XGE (not pro) and I am now happily running Vanguard.

Did I listen to those saying the x1300 was not my best choice? No but I did go ahead and listen to the guy who said the pro was not the best model of it and got the XGE and i also did not get mad at anyone who offered contrary advice to what I wanted to hear.

You can bang your head on the wall a lot, or you can get new cards :P

Up to you!! Im done. (and I have kids so don't go there with me on diapers heh)

(ps with my nice middle of the lower road x1300XGE I am now running Vanguard on my older PC with 20 to 30 fps in almost all places even in towns, there are occasional towns that lag it up but not many anymore, this is a great card but for anyone who cares its the Visiontek XGE not the run of the mill x1300 so dont go buying a plain ol ' x1300 and think you will get the same results)

[Ryngard]

LOL, yea but the thing is, we feel its your card.

If you would read what the kind people, including myself have said, is there is a budget way out of this, get 7600gs or gt.

I think you misquoted... I have the 7600...

Are both of those PC's running the same resolution - ie 1280x1024, etc?

Nope... I'm on 1186x968 (or whatever that one is) and she is at 1074x728 (or whatever it is... I can't keep em straight, lol).


So if everyone thinks its the cards (We both have GeForce 7600GS 512 cards, mine is PCI-e and hers is AGP) do you have a suggestion as to what to replace them with?

Thanks!

[fordfanboi]

I think you misquoted... I have the 7600...



Nope... I'm on 1186x968 (or whatever that one is) and she is at 1074x728 (or whatever it is... I can't keep em straight, lol).


So if everyone thinks its the cards (We both have GeForce 7600GS 512 cards, mine is PCI-e and hers is AGP) do you have a suggestion as to what to replace them with?

Thanks!

That explains why she sees similar frame rates. She's running at a lower resolution. She's moving 25,165,824 bits at 1024x768x32 and at 1152x864x32? you're moving 31,850,496. That means she's only moving 79% of what you are.

Maybe someone else can chime in on an economical replacement. I haven't really researched which is the best bang for the buck today.

[Ryngard]

That explains why she sees similar frame rates. She's running at a lower resolution. She's moving 25,165,824 bits at 1024x768x32 and at 1152x864x32? you're moving 31,850,496. That means she's only moving 79% of what you are.

Maybe someone else can chime in on an economical replacement. I haven't really researched which is the best bang for the buck today.

I should mention that I did go to that same rex and its the same. That's why I went ahead and bumped it up a little.

Well if anyone has any suggestions in the $100-150 range that'll DEFINATELY fix our problem I'd appreciate any suggestions.

[fordfanboi]

I should mention that I did go to that same rex and its the same. That's why I went ahead and bumped it up a little.

To me, that indicates a pegged CPU. If it were me, I'd o/c my CPU and see if my frame rates increased, and if so I'd update my CPU first... but in your case I wouldn't recommend running those tests since it's your wallet - not mine! :D I was running an AMD 64 3200+ and saw the same trouble you did - a very minor increase in FPS by dropping res and a very small increase in FPS by moving to a second 7900GT card in SLI mode. My GPU loading was low, so I o/c'd my CPU and found major improvements. After that I snagged an AMD 64 FX-55 and am living happily ever after. haha

[Elyan]

I should mention that I did go to that same rex and its the same. That's why I went ahead and bumped it up a little.

Well if anyone has any suggestions in the $100-150 range that'll DEFINATELY fix our problem I'd appreciate any suggestions.

vanguard does rely heavily on your hardware. cpu and gpu. the 7800 is in the 150 range for agp and pcie. check out newegg.com you might be able to get a good deal on a 7900. BUT if your frame rates are the same in both the settings you tried, then it might be the processors that are restricting you.

[Vengeful]

I can't believe how many times I neeed to say that I don't want to hear I need another card - and that I want help with my current card.

You people actually think I don't believe you that my 7300GT isn't as good as a 7800? I am not sure what you guys think this forum post was even about, but im pretty sure most of you need to read my original posts as well as the others, so that you understand how much time your wasting.

I KNOW my 7300GT isn't as good as cards higher than it. I KNOW Sli isn't compatible. Whoever here wants to disregard my asking for help in a completely unrelated topic just to say that I need another video card because it's not THE BEST (which is completely irrelivant considering IF SLI WAS COMPATIBLE I WOULDN'T BE HAVING A PROBLEM), well you can go buy me one. Send me a private message and ill give you my address, and you can send me an $800 dollar 8800, and while your add it you can buy my kid some diapers, because they are starting to become expensive as well.

You know how to tell somone who is good with tech support and has a good amount of knowledge in computers from a person who doesn't? The people who know what they are talking about give solutions to people. They don't say "Go buy a better computer". That is a response from somone who doesn't know how to answer me original question.

I don't mean to be rude to you guys, but I am here looking for help and your posts pretty much ruined my chances of getting good help because your distorting the topic of the post with your garbage.

PLEASE don't waste everyones time by posting if you don't know any answers.

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Fordfanboi: Sorry for the big ugly post before I addressed you, I appricate you being the only person here actually trying to help me. Also that screen shot was great help, thank you for going out of your way like that.

Only I am not sure I have the same drivers as you. Or perhaps the wording of that setting is different. I have the options of setting "Single GPU rendering, Multi GPU rendering, or Antialiasing Rendering" - I tried all those settings and still the game runs better on single with SLI totally off.

I got theses cards and the driver CD's in November, so they are the most recent, and I downloaded the most recent on the NVIDIA website just to be sure....but no avail.

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Again people please don't waste my time and ruin this thread anymore. If you people even read my posts you would see that your telling me to get a new videocard when I have the same frames as everyone else. This post is about getting MOOOOOOORE frames. There is no way you people are going to change my mind, and buy a new card any faster than I already would. Don't post unless you know how to give me more frames with what I have.

Jesus Christ....

What we are trying to tell you is that, with that card....that is the best FPS you can hope for with this game. Your card is bottlenecking your performance and there isn't any way to get around sub-par hardware except for....new hardware.

You can try to optimize your windows, remove spyware, adjust your page file and all that junk...but the bottom line is you've got a bottle neck and it looks, smells, and tastes like a Nvidia 7300.

[Ryngard]

Okay. So you are saying I should go from

PCI-e System
This: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16814145132 to This: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814136002 or http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Category=38&N=2000380048+1069609641+1068310557+4018+106790809&Submit=ENE&SubCategory=48

AGP System
This: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16814150166 to This: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814161071?

Any estimate as to how much this would help?

Thanks for the advice.

[fordfanboi]

You posted some Radeon links in there. /yuck

IMHO, the LAST thing you should do is get a Radeon. Their drivers are teh suq. Stick with NVidia. I made the switch once, and swore I'd never do it again - no matter how much faster they were. Bit me in the ass last time - no reason it wouldn't again.

[fordfanboi]

What we are trying to tell you is that, with that card....that is the best FPS you can hope for with this game. Your card is bottlenecking your performance and there isn't any way to get around sub-par hardware except for....new hardware.

You can try to optimize your windows, remove spyware, adjust your page file and all that junk...but the bottom line is you've got a bottle neck and it looks, smells, and tastes like a Nvidia 7300.

He asked for more FPS, and I'm potentially giving him just that, without spending more $$$. I believe he knows that it's not the best, but it never hurts to squeeze every last drop out of the canteen until you find the next watering hole. ;)

The guys with $6000 machines are doing it too!

[Ryngard]

Unfortunately I can't find a better nvidia card for AGP than the 7600. For the PCIe system I'm leaning toward the nvidia card but I'd like an opinion on whether its worth it for more FPS.

[Faite]

just a note to mustang man (hehe i used to have a 1868 sport:P) , ATI has always done really well for me.

Ryngard not sure on your budget but the 1900's go up to agp and so do , i think, some of the nvidias...dont the 7800's?

[Ryngard]

just a note to mustang man (hehe i used to have a 1868 sport:P) , ATI has always done really well for me.

Ryngard not sure on your budget but the 1900's go up to agp and so do , i think, some of the nvidias...dont the 7800's?

I think I can get a 7800 256... would that be better than the 1950 512?? I wouldn't think so... right?

[Jacosta]

You posted some Radeon links in there. /yuck

IMHO, the LAST thing you should do is get a Radeon. Their drivers are teh suq. Stick with NVidia. I made the switch once, and swore I'd never do it again - no matter how much faster they were. Bit me in the ass last time - no reason it wouldn't again.

Just a quick FYI for ya. Radeon cards have far fewer problems and better performance in Vanguard then Nvidia cards. Also ATI is now owned by AMD, so expect the drivers to be updated quite frequently now.

[Faite]

Just a quick FYI for ya. Radeon cards have far fewer problems and better performance in Vanguard then Nvidia cards. Also ATI is now owned by AMD, so expect the drivers to be updated quite frequently now.

Im not sure but I love ATI, never had issues AT ALL and in fact my 9700pro ran Vanguard just not great. My new ATI runs it like a dream (x1300xge)

[fordfanboi]

Also ATI is now owned by AMD, so expect the drivers to be updated quite frequently now.

Heard the same song and dance when the DirectX guru from Microsoft joined ATI. A year later I caved and the 9700 Pro I snagged caused intermittant reboots, even just sitting on the desktop ( went through their tech support - nothing they could do till a driver update ). 3 months later they finally came out with a driver that didn't reboot.

I've been sour on ATI since their Mach64 line that I wrote drivers for way back when ( QNXOS - X11R5 ).

That's my history and I'm sticking to it. :p

[jaivier]

I have a question about a new graphics card I am considering. I was looking on Newegg and read the reviews about the 8800 GTS and 8800 GTX and wondered if it would be okay to go with the GTS for purposes of running VG and other games in the foreseeable future or should I wait and save for the GTX? They listed an EVGA 8800 GTS for about 389 while the GTX from the same manufacturer were about 650. Is there that much of a difference between the two cards? Also, which brand is generally considered the best/worst? There is a considerable price difference between the hi's and lo's of each model. (up to 800 bucks for a BFG GTX!?).

Lastly, will getting an 8800 GTS show a significant frame rate difference between the 7800 GT that I am currently running?

My computer specs are, roughly:

AMD 3500+ (2.2 ghz)
2.5 megs RAM
bazillion meg HD

As for my current performance, I am currently getting about 25-35 in the country running on balanced/high quality with occasional lags down into the teens if running on high. Balanced is usually satisfactory until I get into the cities (particularly Tanvu). Last night I was playing and was on 'high performance' in the city and was still getting about 10fps. it was bordering on ridiculous. Is my problem a bottleneck somewhere, or my card, or what?

Thanks for the help!

J

[Epileptick]

First thing:

Fordfanboi - you are the man. Period. You need to pat yourself on the back.

I managed to find the proper drivers to get those options that you were talking about to force Sli to alternating frames. Not only did I mess with that option but I went through ever single option and after each try I started vanguard and wrote down the average FPS. It took about an hour but MAN was it worth it.

I now get 30 - 40 frames with (equivilant too) balanced settings. The reason I say equivilant too is because I tweak every setting in there as well, but the frames are about the same in balanced.

I hope everyone with Sli 7300GT's or similar setups read this post. I hope all the morons who act like they know everything, just because they tell everyone to get a better videocard when they don't know the answers to questions also read this.

Just stop and think for a second before you guys spill that crap on somone else who is asking for help. Could you imagine what a retard I would have been to take the advice from 99% of the people here? I would be out almost 1000$ (considering I settled for a 7900 and wasn't able to sell the two cards I just bought a few months ago....which I wouldn't be able too), and the funniest part is that I WOULD NOT get better frames than what I have now.

I have talked to many many people to see what frames they get and I don't know anyone who doesn't have a 8800 who get that much better than me now.

Lets just say for arguement sake that somone with a 7900 got 5 - 10 more frames than I get now, do you idiots still think thats worth 1000 dollars?!

Thanks again fordfanboi, I can't really extend my thanks enough. I was really lucky to have you come across my post. If you didn't I would have made some huge mistakes.

- Epi

[fordfanboi]

Great news!

Glad I could help - makes it worth the effort! :D

[Faite]

First thing:

Fordfanboi - you are the man. Period. You need to pat yourself on the back.

I managed to find the proper drivers to get those options that you were talking about to force Sli to alternating frames. Not only did I mess with that option but I went through ever single option and after each try I started vanguard and wrote down the average FPS. It took about an hour but MAN was it worth it.

I now get 30 - 40 frames with (equivilant too) balanced settings. The reason I say equivilant too is because I tweak every setting in there as well, but the frames are about the same in balanced.

I hope everyone with Sli 7300GT's or similar setups read this post. I hope all the morons who act like they know everything, just because they tell everyone to get a better videocard when they don't know the answers to questions also read this.

Just stop and think for a second before you guys spill that crap on somone else who is asking for help. Could you imagine what a retard I would have been to take the advice from 99% of the people here? I would be out almost 1000$ (considering I settled for a 7900 and wasn't able to sell the two cards I just bought a few months ago....which I wouldn't be able too), and the funniest part is that I WOULD NOT get better frames than what I have now.

I have talked to many many people to see what frames they get and I don't know anyone who doesn't have a 8800 who get that much better than me now.

Lets just say for arguement sake that somone with a 7900 got 5 - 10 more frames than I get now, do you idiots still think thats worth 1000 dollars?!

Thanks again fordfanboi, I can't really extend my thanks enough. I was really lucky to have you come across my post. If you didn't I would have made some huge mistakes.

- Epi


Im happy to hear it too, but...you had someone take a lot of time and help you and you lucked out in that. Because these are not official forums and so if you are going to come and ask us the players what to do, all we can do is draw on your collective gaming experience with Vanguard and try to help you as much as possible.

Instead of bashing people for 'trying' why don't you just thank the guy who helped you and let everyone else know the new 'facts'.

Calling people who at least attempted to help you morons just makes you a total moron yourself.

Everyone here had a good intention based on past experiences in beta and onward. Im glad Fordfanboi was right and he is da' man, but no need to hurl your insults around when people were just trying to help you.

Next time go to www.vanguardsoh.com and click on support forum and perhaps you can get help without just random opinions from people who are trying their best.

[Epileptick]

I don't expect you to go back and read all the posts but if you did you would see that in my first, and every other post, I specifically asked "please do not tell me I need new computer parts, I want to know how to fix this problem, not abandon it"

I asked that (with slightly different wording) in almost every single post that I made. And people refused to listen. Why would that make me angry? Because it fills my thread with garbage posts that stray away from the topic like a rumor strays from the truth, thus rendering my call for help useless.

I was lucky enough to have somone actually read MY posts.

I don't honestly think when somone asks over and over and over to not do this, and even explain what I just explained as to why I don't want people doing this, and they completely ignore my at first very polite request - that they were "trying their best".

The funny thing is, I still don't think you read what I originally asked. My questions had nothing to do with needing a new videocard. I made it VERY clear.

It's not like me to call people down, but what you are a few other people were saying almost made me buy another videocard. You don't understand what impact that would have had on my life. I'm not good with money, and I don't know as much as others about computers.

You need to understand that those simple answers that you are giving people "go buy a new videocard", can really mess them up financially. And THAT is moronic.

All I am saying is that if you don't know the answer to a question, just don't answer it. I am sorry if I offended anyone.

- epi

[Elyan]

I don't expect you to go back and read all the posts but if you did you would see that in my first, and every other post, I specifically asked "please do not tell me I need new computer parts, I want to know how to fix this problem, not abandon it"

I asked that (with slightly different wording) in almost every single post that I made. And people refused to listen. Why would that make me angry? Because it fills my thread with garbage posts that stray away from the topic like a rumor strays from the truth, thus rendering my call for help useless.

I was lucky enough to have somone actually read MY posts.

I don't honestly think when somone asks over and over and over to not do this, and even explain what I just explained as to why I don't want people doing this, and they completely ignore my at first very polite request - that they were "trying their best".

The funny thing is, I still don't think you read what I originally asked. My questions had nothing to do with needing a new videocard. I made it VERY clear.

It's not like me to call people down, but what you are a few other people were saying almost made me buy another videocard. You don't understand what impact that would have had on my life. I'm not good with money, and I don't know as much as others about computers.

You need to understand that those simple answers that you are giving people "go buy a new videocard", can really mess them up financially. And THAT is moronic.

All I am saying is that if you don't know the answer to a question, just don't answer it. I am sorry if I offended anyone.

- epi

Man, if you were going to spend 1000 bucks on a 7900 YOU are the moron. I have a new solution... get a new graphics card you loser. your 7300s will not perform as well as a 7900 cause they are a cheap card. your an idiot in the first place for buying two of those suxors instead of a better single graphics card. oh yeah. and its called a forum for a reason. anyone can post whatever they want. so if you do not know what you are taking about, SHUT YOUR MOUTH FLAMEBOY!

[Faite]

I don't expect you to go back and read all the posts but if you did you would see that in my first, and every other post, I specifically asked "please do not tell me I need new computer parts, I want to know how to fix this problem, not abandon it"

I asked that (with slightly different wording) in almost every single post that I made. And people refused to listen. Why would that make me angry? Because it fills my thread with garbage posts that stray away from the topic like a rumor strays from the truth, thus rendering my call for help useless.

I was lucky enough to have somone actually read MY posts.

I don't honestly think when somone asks over and over and over to not do this, and even explain what I just explained as to why I don't want people doing this, and they completely ignore my at first very polite request - that they were "trying their best".

The funny thing is, I still don't think you read what I originally asked. My questions had nothing to do with needing a new videocard. I made it VERY clear.

It's not like me to call people down, but what you are a few other people were saying almost made me buy another videocard. You don't understand what impact that would have had on my life. I'm not good with money, and I don't know as much as others about computers.

You need to understand that those simple answers that you are giving people "go buy a new videocard", can really mess them up financially. And THAT is moronic.

All I am saying is that if you don't know the answer to a question, just don't answer it. I am sorry if I offended anyone.

- epi


Yes and we are sorry but still, don't use non official forums like these, ask a player base (not techs) these questions then blame us if we don't understand in this one case the 7300 was made to run right.

And there is a "Fozziks hardware area' i think he is more techy.

And Rabbit, but you have to give him a carrot.

But anyway, at least 'someone' helped you without you having to buy a card so next time Ill be sure to let someone with more exp answer :)

[Hailin]

I don't expect you to go back and read all the posts but if you did you would see that in my first, and every other post, I specifically asked "please do not tell me I need new computer parts, I want to know how to fix this problem, not abandon it"

I asked that (with slightly different wording) in almost every single post that I made. And people refused to listen. Why would that make me angry? Because it fills my thread with garbage posts that stray away from the topic like a rumor strays from the truth, thus rendering my call for help useless.

I was lucky enough to have somone actually read MY posts.

I don't honestly think when somone asks over and over and over to not do this, and even explain what I just explained as to why I don't want people doing this, and they completely ignore my at first very polite request - that they were "trying their best".

The funny thing is, I still don't think you read what I originally asked. My questions had nothing to do with needing a new videocard. I made it VERY clear.

It's not like me to call people down, but what you are a few other people were saying almost made me buy another videocard. You don't understand what impact that would have had on my life. I'm not good with money, and I don't know as much as others about computers.

You need to understand that those simple answers that you are giving people "go buy a new videocard", can really mess them up financially. And THAT is moronic.

All I am saying is that if you don't know the answer to a question, just don't answer it. I am sorry if I offended anyone.

- epi

Cool so you are running 45 to 60 frames per second in the wild in Highest Quality? Cause I am on my 7950gt oc. Hmm yah I think it was worth the 5 to 10 fps specially when you see volumetric clouds dancing in front of the moon.

Each to there own. :)

/praises his 300 (canadian) upgrade.

Also for the guy upgrading the agp if you can even find one get a 1950pro for the wife. There is a reason they are sold out everywhere. They are the best agp card bare none. They eat the 7800gs.

I had a 1950pro I got for 200 *Again Canadian* and the hitching was a lot less in towns and such unlike on my new Nvidia card. But it was on balanced :) Even at 19fps in towns it was brilliant.
I find with my Nvidia the framerate doesn't change no matter what setting I have it on. And towns drop frames and hitch violently. I wonder if maybe the rumored memory 8series memory leak is affecting all cards across the board in the Nvidia camp?

If I could have found a 1950xtx I would have snapped it up in a heartbeat. Or if I could have afforded the 8series lol. Now that would have been a 1000 upgrade.

[Elyan]

Cool so you are running 45 to 60 frames per second in the wild in Highest Quality? Cause I am on my 7950gt oc. Hmm yah I think it was worth the 5 to 10 fps specially when you see volumetric clouds dancing in front of the moon.

Each to there own. :)

/praises his 300 (canadian) upgrade.

Also for the guy upgrading the agp if you can even find one get a 1950pro for the wife. There is a reason they are sold out everywhere. They are the best agp card bare none. They eat the 7800gs.

I had a 1950pro I got for 200 *Again Canadian* and the hitching was a lot less in towns and such unlike on my new Nvidia card. But it was on balanced :) Even at 19fps in towns it was brilliant.
I find with my Nvidia the framerate doesn't change no matter what setting I have it on. And towns drop frames and hitch violently. I wonder if maybe the rumored memory 8series memory leak is affecting all cards across the board in the Nvidia camp?

If I could have found a 1950xtx I would have snapped it up in a heartbeat. Or if I could have afforded the 8series lol. Now that would have been a 1000 upgrade.

I love my 8800gtx. no memory leak for me so far. I was getting 90fps running on the beach last night and over 170 under the water. I know that's no way to judge but it was awesome. anyway if your fps is the same on high or low graphics then it could be you cpu or ram. 1950 is a good card.

[Geldoff]

guys, im not asking what anyone else is running, or if I need new hardware or not.

All I want to know is if anyone is familiar with the "GT factory overclocking" issue and if or how to fix it.

I also was asking if anyone knows a non broken link to make the card think im using Vertex Pixel Shaders 2.0

That is all im looking for answers on.

I would also like to add that if I run things on low and bite the bullet like everyone else I get 40 - 50 frames after I turn off Sli. I'm concerned with not being able to run the game on FULL not low settings. The PC does that fine.


I dont know what issue your talking about but I run 7900GTs in SLI and I have over clocked them before quite successfully? Just get some beta drivers with OC built in from NVIDIA (I beleive I had to edit a couple of reg entries as well, been a long time) and you get a tab in your NVIDIA control panel that will allow you to set the clock on your cards.

[fordfanboi]

I dont know what issue your talking about but I run 7900GTs in SLI and I have over clocked them before quite successfully? Just get some beta drivers with OC built in from NVIDIA (I beleive I had to edit a couple of reg entries as well, been a long time) and you get a tab in your NVIDIA control panel that will allow you to set the clock on your cards.

Or use Powerstrip instead. ;) The NVidia overclock utility ( or NTune ) won't let me OC to 570mhz because it fails the test. Using Powerstrip, I'm able to get 570mhz, and so long as I keep the cards cool, I don't get many artifacts. If something happens to block one of my fans, I can tell REAL quick in game - turns into a disco ball of texture flicker fest goodness! heh

[Epileptick]

LoL...

Sorry guys, I don't need new cards. I'm running the game with awsome frames now with good settings.

It's funny to watch you freak out because you were wrong though lol!

It's also funny to still see people totally disregard what I wrote and reply to somthing completely abstract. Again - I was mad because people were not listening to my question, not because they gave wrong answers.

Again - I know 7300's arent as good as 7900...lol....this is whole conversation has gotten dumber and dumber by the day - minus fordfanboi's posts.

[Elyan]

LoL...

Sorry guys, I don't need new cards. I'm running the game with awsome frames now with good settings.

It's funny to watch you freak out because you were wrong though lol!

It's also funny to still see people totally disregard what I wrote and reply to somthing completely abstract. Again - I was mad because people were not listening to my question, not because they gave wrong answers.

Again - I know 7300's arent as good as 7900...lol....this is whole conversation has gotten dumber and dumber by the day - minus fordfanboi's posts.

I think new cards would probably help you out with your problem... retardation. try the 9800 pro.

[Ravensong13]

Hehe, believe them, its your video cards!!!

7300's are terrible... I would say a single 6800 is probably equal to your twin 7300's even if SLI was working as well as it should.. which its not.

sell them on ebay or something and get whatever the best card you are willing to shell out the cash for is.

Make sure its a card that someone who knows recomended, and not just what sounds like a high number.... a 7300 is half as fast as a 6800.... wierd I know. The 6800 is the best of the 6 series, and the 7300 is the worst of the seven series..... its kinda like comparing a ten year old vette to a brandy new cavalier....

get a 7600, 7800, X1950 PRO, 7950, or go all out and get an 8800.. worst to best in that order.... dont get anything less then a 7600GT. Forget SLI and just buy a good single card.

[Epileptick]

uhh...I....

don't

have

a

problem.

I run about 30 - 40 frames on balanced now.

[Elyan]

uhh...I....

don't

have

a

problem.

I run about 30 - 40 frames on balanced now.

A new graphics card would probably fix that problem.

[ZNICK]

I don't get how someone can be getting 40+ FPS on High Qual and complain. That would be excellent to my tastes.

For anyone who needs AGP, I bought a XFX 6800XTreme last week for around $120 from Tiger Direct and it did the trick. I had a 7300GS in one hand and the 6800EXtreme in the other, and the guy at the counter told me which to pickup. I was trading in my slightly dated GeForce Ti 4400.

No, lol, I can't play at 50 FPS in High Qual, but with a few small turndowns I can play at balanced at around 30 FPS and 15-20 in town. It looks great, and I can do whatever smoothly. Keep in mind I have a 2600 AMG Sempron, lol. I do have 2 gigs of ram.

Anyway, that's my low cost suggestion to someone who wants to play, but can't spend the big $ for a new machine. :D

Also, the 6800XT has DDR3 ram, which is much better than the 7300's DDR2.

I am now a guru.

Z