psio charm diminishing returns

[vaparis]

I had a quick question for psios...

does charm have diminishing returns? IE could I charm and recharm a mob forever, as long as I react quickly enough after it breaks? Or do successive charms have higher chances to break until eventually its impossible to recharm the same mob?

[coercion]

I had a quick question for psios...

does charm have diminishing returns? IE could I charm and recharm a mob forever, as long as I react quickly enough after it breaks? Or do successive charms have higher chances to break until eventually its impossible to recharm the same mob?

There are no diminishing returns using Enthrall. Suggestion can only be cast on a specific mob one time, though, and after a suggestion breaks you'll either have to recharm using Enthrall, kill it, or run.

It's generally no sweat keeping an even-con 2-dot as your pet indefinitely, but as the level and dot-count increases you'll find yourself needing more and more skill (and more and more luck) to keep the mob charmed over the long term.

[Melios]

There are no diminishing returns using Enthrall. Suggestion can only be cast on a specific mob one time, though, and after a suggestion breaks you'll either have to recharm using Enthrall, kill it, or run.

It's generally no sweat keeping an even-con 2-dot as your pet indefinitely, but as the level and dot-count increases you'll find yourself needing more and more skill (and more and more luck) to keep the mob charmed over the long term.

.....is Suggestion good for anything at all?

[Hanabi Omoide]

.....is Suggestion good for anything at all?

Yup.
CC in a group.

It's faster cast, less mana and you get the 'higher level' versions of it sooner than you get the 'higher level' versions of enthrall. At L26, for instance, suggestion can effect L31+ mobs, while enthrall isn't supposed to (but does).

You just need to train your tank to target the enthralled mob next. If nothing else, it buys you time to juggle a number of adds on inc.

[Ayeshala]

Suggestion is a very good spell for the reasons Hanabi described. You just need to see it as a mid duration fast cast CC.

[milow]

I have a question about charm for CC work. I was in TK at lvl 23 I guess and we were killing the elemental storms for a quest. I think what happen is the charm pet AE us, but I was to busy dying to really tell. It is a 3 pull with 2 elemental and 1 casters. I mez the caster and I charmed one of the elemental while the group jump on the other elemental. I sent the pet in, but while charmed my aggro list kept jumping from 2 NPC to 3 NPC and the group was taking damage. I dont know if my pet kill the cleric or what but cleric died with no un engaged NPC other then my charm or the one the group ws kiliing. Then charm broke and I coudnt recharm as it told me invalid target or something. About then we all died so that was that.

So is charm buggy on some NPC and can a charm pet attack group members?

[ancksunamun]

I have a question about charm for CC work. I was in TK at lvl 23 I guess and we were killing the elemental storms for a quest. I think what happen is the charm pet AE us, but I was to busy dying to really tell. It is a 3 pull with 2 elemental and 1 casters. I mez the caster and I charmed one of the elemental while the group jump on the other elemental. I sent the pet in, but while charmed my aggro list kept jumping from 2 NPC to 3 NPC and the group was taking damage. I dont know if my pet kill the cleric or what but cleric died with no un engaged NPC other then my charm or the one the group ws kiliing. Then charm broke and I coudnt recharm as it told me invalid target or something. About then we all died so that was that.

So is charm buggy on some NPC and can a charm pet attack group members?

All options are currently /buged. Your pet cen attack yoru PCs inc ertain situations, mobs with gained ownship cannot be charmed, i recomend to read the thrall's issues thread which explains all possible bugs with our main charm.

[coercion]

Suggestion is a very good spell for the reasons Hanabi described. You just need to see it as a mid duration fast cast CC.

It's also an excellent panic button for recharming. When all other contingencies fail, and the mob is right in your face, and you end up on one of your final chances (casting time stop), and it resists... Suggestion will save your life. You can then distance yourself from the mob and hope the next recharm goes better. Of course, this generally means finding a new mob so that you'll be able to use suggestion again if another emergency occurs, but it's often a worthwhile preperation if you're dealing with nasty (4-dots, reds+) mobs.