My nasty, evil name

[Sickpuppy]

So apparently 6 years and 5 MMOs after I started using the name Sickpuppy, someone decided the name was offensive enough to make a policy against it. While I am flattered that I'm seen as important enough for a GM to single me out and take the time out of answering the hundreds of game-breaking issues out there in order to change my name for me - especially as it was only a couple of days ago that it took someone in my guild over 48 hours to get an answer to a missing corpse issue - I don't really understand the insanely twisted logic and bizzare thoughts that went through the head of the person who wrote this policy. In any case, it seems I have no choice but to surrender to your policy and change my name, as any other action will most likely result in pointless, circular discussions of misunderstandings.

A petition from one extremely unhappy customer to one extremely bored GM.

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Congratulations in directly pissing off one customer and indirectly pissing off many more. Next time you are bored, try putting your time towards something more constructive.

One pissed off customer.

[Denidil Taureran]

your name doesn't fit into an immersive universe - deal with it

[Carguard]

You're extremely pissed because you can't name your character Sickpuppy?

You are a very sad, twisted man. Go to a mental hospital. I'm serious.

[Sickpuppy]

your name doesn't fit into an immersive universe - deal with it

If I was playing on an RP server I could understand it. If I was playing on a server where less than 50% of people's names were realistic or "immersive" I could understand it. If the GMs actually had the TIME to do things like this without hurting other people's experience I could understand it.

As it happens, I don't understand it.

[benbanglong]

Your name ruins my immersion

[Hoid]

It's just a matter of who gets reported first. It's going to happen sooner or later. I've read the forums before the game started and I could tell they really didn't want any unrealistic names in Vanguard. Try not to feel too singled out. The others will get their name changed too (if it's not on par with the rules), sooner or later.

[Abelian75]

If I was playing on an RP server I could understand it. If I was playing on a server where less than 50% of people's names were realistic or "immersive" I could understand it. If the GMs actually had the TIME to do things like this without hurting other people's experience I could understand it.

As it happens, I don't understand it.

Agreed, that's pretty darn weird.

[QuidProQuo]

Your name ruins my immersion

Why? Sickness and puppies (Raki, woo!) exist in Vanguard. His name just shows that he is a sick puppy just like the enemy named diseased blank blank. Even if hes not a Raki you can just say hes in disguise its really not that hard.

[Ominous]

It wasn't the immersion rule that got it. It was the phrase rule.

[Loampounder]

I don't really understand the insanely twisted logic and bizzare thoughts that went through the head of the person who wrote this policy.

Do you see all of the stupid phrases that gamers choose? How about trying to choose a name? You sound like my uncle stopped for speeding. "Why don't they go after the real bad guys..."

[svann]

This horse died 6 years ago. Get over it.

[Spry]

Seriously pick one name for your first name. I could careless about silly or sick names as long as they are one word not 2 or 3 or more.

[Isobel]

"Why don't they go after the real bad guys..."

Becasue nobody petitioned them?

[Wolfb]

Sorry Sick (or do you prefer Mr. Puppy?). To be quite honest, I'm glad to see Sigil be a little more strict on names like this. I've grown quite tired of seeing toon's with ridiculous names such as "Punk Rocker", "Tractor Trailer", "Bad Arse" etc., and yes "Sick Puppy" running around in a fantasy world.

Sigil has stated for quite some time that they would be more stringent in their naming poilcy, so it really isn't anything that should be a great shock. I do understand the connection you get with a certain name over the years, I've had the same name now through three different MMO's now myself. But your name just really doesn't fit in a fantasy setting IMHO...

[Letsinod]

They will be coming after everyone now. And yes, Sickpuppy is just hideous. Unimaginative....and lacking I am afraid.

[Varjun]

The people they have checking/changing names are not the same people that would be working on "game-breaking" issues or the corpse issue you mentioned. Just thought I'd let you know.

[Parallax]

I'm curious; why are there RP servers in Vanguard? or rather why bother calling one server a RP server and not another if they are all the same?

I'm waiting to see how Sigil reacts when people start randomly google'ing whatever name they see run past and /petitioning based on whatever pops up on a simple web search.

I'm not saying I'm going to do that, but I've been around MMO's long enough to know it will happen.

[Azazelo]

What's ironic is people choose these stupid names thinking they're being original yet if you go to http://vgplayers.station.sony.com/ and search for Bruce you'll see there's one on almost every server, and yes most of them are Kojani monks. Want to guess the last names?

[GelatinousOwen]

All you people whining about ruined immersion can go fornicate yourselves, you are the crybabies. Names like sickpuppy have been a constant in mmo's since they arrived, he's not on an rp server so i dont see why his name was changed seeing as i've come across plenty of worse ones. In 6 months or so when the dev's no longer care about enforcing their naming policy you'll have plenty more names like this to deal with, better get used to it.

[Althjof]

While I think names like this shouldn't be prohibited on non-RP servers, it really is unimaginitive. I don't understand why you're so upset about it. Are you so fond of sick puppies? And also, may I ask all those who use such names - why do you play fantasy MMORPGs? I kind of thought everyone liked worlds of games they play, so why ruin an immersion? Even if you're not on a RP-server, surely you play the game not only because you like hitting buttons.

[cynfulone]

OP, I'd report that name if I saw it too.

[shocka144]

fair enough if its a naughty phrase...
fair enough if its a rp server...
but generally its quite weird imo and a bit OTT...although reading through some replies i guess when im running through the game and see names such as twinkeee and tinkkkkieee and other stupid names i guess it does spoil the immersiveness and brings u out of the world and into reality...

[Spry]

All you people whining about ruined immersion can go fornicate yourselves, you are the crybabies. Names like sickpuppy have been a constant in mmo's since they arrived, he's not on an rp server so i dont see why his name was changed seeing as i've come across plenty of worse ones. In 6 months or so when the dev's no longer care about enforcing their naming policy you'll have plenty more names like this to deal with, better get used to it.

When I read through the naming policy I'm pretty sure it didn't say "this only applies to RP servers".

[Bounder]

Some phrase names I would consider to be an adventuring name, or street name.. the mercenary known as (fill in the blank). Grey Mouser gets hit for a name change while Fafhrd is left alone, heh.

But yeah, there is a fine line, and GMs are only human and have to make the judgement call I suppose. Whatcha gonna do. :(

Do the GMs ask you for an alternative name, or do they just randomly change those who need changed? Having a backup name in mind might not be a bad idea I suppose, in some cases.

[SpugNothuson]

...if you go to http://vgplayers.station.sony.com/ and search for Bruce you'll see there's one on almost every server, and yes most of them are Kojani monks. Want to guess the last names?
Is it Wayne?

I'm not on an RP server and I do think that some of the names running around are stupid, but that is my opinion. I haven't reported anyone for it as I haven't seen anything that I would class as offensive.

I personally think SickPuppy isn't a good name and I'd think twice about grouping with him. It's about the image I wish to portray.

You have to consider that in someone elses opinion (in this gase the GMs checking on names) are you going against the naming rules? It is opinion based, but they do hold all the cards.

[Qandow]

But yeah, there is a fine line, and GMs are only human and have to make the judgement call I suppose. Whatcha gonna do. :(



I only wish GM's would make a judgement call but in my experience, in all games, they don't.
Basiaclly, if someone petitions your name you are toast. They seem loathe to tell the petitioner that they are all wet. This only encourages the name nazi's to be ever more agressive.

We need standards but we also need some common sense.

[Faite]

Do you see all of the stupid phrases that gamers choose? How about trying to choose a name? You sound like my uncle stopped for speeding. "Why don't they go after the real bad guys..."

No offense sickpuppy but thats what my 10 year old names characters lol.

In fact in WOW she made a guild "evil pink puppies' and its fine with the WOW staff. And her character Pixiekitten and what was the other, something kitten, got the rp'ers all upset. i had to make her change them. (the pink puppy name is on a non rp server thank god)

Im sure you are frustrated but can you come up with an actual name that maybe means sickpuppy? I dont know, look it up in french or latin or spanish or something :)

ps I think sickpuppy CAN be explained through roleplay myself, but thats just me. It is no different than guys who callthemselves things lik e"bigdog' or 'bigjoe' or uh you know those types of names. In real life my husband has a nickname like that for almost everyone of his employees lol. I could indeed imagine sickpuppy being one of them :P

[Melios]

Umm...what exactly is the proper way to report naming violations? Is it just "/petition"?

[Althjof]

Im sure you are frustrated but can you come up with an actual name that maybe means sickpuppy? I dont know, look it up in french or latin or spanish or something :)

Let's see. German version: Krankhündchen. Spanish: Enfermocría. French: Maladechiot. Italian: Malatocucciolo. Pretty much everything is better than Sickpuppy :D

[Naelael]

Who says it was a petition? There is a post on the vanguardplayers site that says they are going to be constantley going through all of the names.

And speaking from experience... Naming violation petitions are very common.

[cobble75]

I also agree that while the name sickpuppy is unimaginitive and more than a little lame... it can be explained in game i think. There are alot of nicknames that could fit like this in a fantasy world.

I would rather see them be stricter with behavior than names. But its definately a start.

That said, its also not worth complaining about, they made no secret that they would be strict. If they decide to change your name, shrug and move on.

[RedRider]

I doubt at this point that CSR has had time to go through the names and it is more probable that there was a petition. This is been the SOE way since Everquest 1, if there is a petition and the name was clearly in violation of the naming policy, its gone. In EQ1 and 2, SOE assigns you a new name with no recourse to change it, that is the part I find harsh. Did they change it or make you change it ?

One of my characters has a borderline name and if at one point I get petitioned, I will be mad (been using it for years in several games), but I will know why it happened and will eventually accept it.

[Loampounder]

Umm...what exactly is the proper way to report naming violations? Is it just "/petition"?

Yes, use the /petition command and in the description put "Naming Violation" and describe the name. It's probably helps to explain how it violates the naming rules to be exact.

[Ambush]

Good thing. Vanguard is a fantasy world with fantasy characters and most players try to immerse themselves in that world. While you may not respect that, I'm very happy that the developers at least do.

[Naelael]

Nobody is going through names one by one. Most likely, they have a script they run on the names that "flags" suspect ones, and someone looks at them. The Sigil team was the same way with names when they were Verant. Once they left EQ, the flood of stupid names came in.

[troldan]

i would love to own a ban stick with names.
you would gt banned.
true would get banned
newegg dotcom would get banned
cowboy would get banned
list goes on......

[Zippalbit]

I'm waiting to see how Sigil reacts when people start randomly google'ing whatever name they see run past and /petitioning based on whatever pops up on a simple web search.

Google my name, go ahead, do it, ok, wait, let me do it for you...

Google Zippalbit (http://www.google.com/search?q=zippalbit&hl=en&start=0&sa=N)

Go thru the entries. I have used this name in Everquest and here. There is no entry that does not correspond to my everquest name or a few message boards that I have visited. If I can create a name out of thin air that is very catchy, then why can't you. I can't understand what's so hard about that. There are rules in this game that state what is allowed for a name in this game and what is not. Why go through all the grief of picking a name that you know breaks the naming convension? If you do it, you will have it changed. And even if you don't get it changed, you will be the object of ridicule in this game, and maybe even shunned from groups. With this being a very group oriented game, I personally would not want to do anything that would offend anyone even before being asked into a group. I know you think that it should not offend people, but it does, is that not enough reason to not do it? Use some common sense people. Lets not go out and try to offend people, lets just play the game as it is intended to be played.

[Abelian75]

Well, I hope someone bans all those goblin NPC's that say, "I don't care what she(he) says, I'm not your daddy(mommy)." I can overlook a handle-like name like Sickpuppy, but having half the goblin NPC's say that certainly makes me feel "unimmersed."

Just saying, if we're demanding that level of extreme immersion, there's a number of other things that had better change too, and I think Sigil ought to get their own house in order before forcing relatively benign name-changes.

And what about the NPC named "Bashum Gud?" I'm sure there are many others.

[Faite]

Google my name, go ahead, do it, ok, wait, let me do it for you...

Google Zippalbit (http://www.google.com/search?q=zippalbit&hl=en&start=0&sa=N)

Go thru the entries. I have used this name in Everquest and here. There is no entry that does not correspond to my everquest name or a few message boards that I have visited. If I can create a name out of thin air that is very catchy, then why can't you. I can't understand what's so hard about that. There are rules in this game that state what is allowed for a name in this game and what is not. Why go through all the grief of picking a name that you know breaks the naming convension? If you do it, you will have it changed. And even if you don't get it changed, you will be the object of ridicule in this game, and maybe even shunned from groups. With this being a very group oriented game, I personally would not want to do anything that would offend anyone even before being asked into a group. I know you think that it should not offend people, but it does, is that not enough reason to not do it? Use some common sense people. Lets not go out and try to offend people, lets just play the game as it is intended to be played.

While your name is catchy, there is simply nothing wrong in a roleplay sense with Sickpuppy. Its more of a nickname though and not so much of what would be considered a given name.

Honestly if you want to come right down to immersion, how do we all know each others name anyway? Without being properly introducted.

:rolleyes:

[Zippalbit]

While your name is catchy, there is simply nothing wrong in a roleplay sense with Sickpuppy. Its more of a nickname though and not so much of what would be considered a given name.

Honestly if you want to come right down to immersion, how do we all know each others name anyway? Without being properly introducted.

:rolleyes:

Nicknames are not supported in this game. And there is something wrong with SickPuppy, it's a violation of the naming convention.

[Faite]

Nicknames are not supported in this game. And there is something wrong with SickPuppy, it's a violation of the naming convention.

That is your opinion and obviously one GM's opinion. I roleplay but to the name Sickpuppy is not breaking immersion. However "Legolaz" (yes hes on my server) is. Or "Gandalof", sure its not Gandolf but its darn close.

/shrug.

This is my opinion and it doesn't mean it is a gospel, just that I believe that GM was splitting hairs in this case.

I don't use nicknames for my name but a heckuva a lot of people do.

I think Sickpuppy has no hope of getting his name back though and should just go with the flow, as I told him maybe he can choose the name in a differnet language (and someone was nice enough to put up the translations)

[Zippalbit]

That is your opinion and obviously one GM's opinion. I roleplay but to the name Sickpuppy is not breaking immersion. However "Legolaz" (yes hes on my server) is. Or "Gandalof", sure its not Gandolf but its darn close.

/shrug.

This is my opinion and it doesn't mean it is a gospel, just that I believe that GM was splitting hairs in this case.

I don't use nicknames for my name but a heckuva a lot of people do.

I think Sickpuppy has no hope of getting his name back though and should just go with the flow, as I told him maybe he can choose the name in a differnet language (and someone was nice enough to put up the translations)

It may not be, in your opinion (but not mine), breaking the immersion rule, but it sure is breaking the sentence fragment rule, there is no doubt there...

Also, people keep talking about immersion and bringing up names being shown and things such as ooc and shout and tells. There is a balance between making the game easier to play and destroying immersion. Tells and names over your head are meant to make the game easier to play. Having the name of SickPuppy does not make the game easier to play.

[OdwinOddball]

The naming policy, and its hopeful enforcement, hearkens back to the early days of EQ when the naming policy was taken very seriously. Good to see it enforced here as well.

Sickpuppy is questionable, though I likely wouldn't have reported it. I also wouldn't be likely to invite Sickpuppy to a group either Character name acts as my a good filter. Teamed with a 133t 5p3@k decoder they are a good indication of whether a player is likely to be an asshat.

[cobble75]

nothing, and to me this is very important, nothing... no matter how lame, abusive, or unoriginal a name is...... breaks immersion as much as voice chat does.

[Carni]

nothing, and to me this is very important, nothing... no matter how lame, abusive, or unoriginal a name is...... breaks immersion as much as voice chat does.

people complain about immersion then they log in and fight supposedly intelligent humanoids that won't come to help their friends aid even though their buddy is getting beat down thirty feet away - and that doesn't break their stupid immersion

[Zippalbit]

people complain about immersion then they log in and fight supposedly intelligent humanoids that won't come to help their friends aid even though their buddy is getting beat down thirty feet away - and that doesn't break their stupid immersion

I will repeat this again for those of you that find it hard to understand...

Also, people keep talking about immersion and bringing up names being shown and things such as ooc and shout and tells. There is a balance between making the game easier to play and destroying immersion. Tells and names over your head are meant to make the game easier to play. Having the name of SickPuppy does not make the game easier to play.


Now, comparing anything that has to do with game mechanics to the naming convention is like compairing an apple to an automobile. They are two very different issues. One deals with how the game is played, the other is a rule to be followed by the player. One makes the game easier to play, the other has nothing to do with ease of game play. Making these arguements is a diversion from the real issue, which is the naming convension.

[Zippalbit]

nothing, and to me this is very important, nothing... no matter how lame, abusive, or unoriginal a name is...... breaks immersion as much as voice chat does.

The game does not support voice chat.

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I registered to just let you folks know that this is the best site EVER!

[Atoyota]

So apparently 6 years and 5 MMOs after I started using the name Sickpuppy, someone decided the name was offensive enough to make a policy against it. While I am flattered that I'm seen as important enough for a GM to single me out and take the time out of answering the hundreds of game-breaking issues out there in order to change my name for me - especially as it was only a couple of days ago that it took someone in my guild over 48 hours to get an answer to a missing corpse issue - I don't really understand the insanely twisted logic and bizzare thoughts that went through the head of the person who wrote this policy. In any case, it seems I have no choice but to surrender to your policy and change my name, as any other action will most likely result in pointless, circular discussions of misunderstandings.

A petition from one extremely unhappy customer to one extremely bored GM.
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Congratulations in directly pissing off one customer and indirectly pissing off many more. Next time you are bored, try putting your time towards something more constructive.

One pissed off customer.
or you could just cancel your subscription and quit :)

[Ambush]

people complain about immersion then they log in and fight supposedly intelligent humanoids that won't come to help their friends aid even though their buddy is getting beat down thirty feet away - and that doesn't break their stupid immersion

That's like saying, just because many people die in car accidents i should be able to carry a gun and use it whenever i please, because in my country car accidents kill more people then guns.

[Ambush]

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I for one am truly thankful that people like you are turned off by this community and these rules. I am happy to have left "your kind" in WoW, so i'd definatly advise you to check that game out as you will probably love the community as much as i hated it.

[Abelian75]

While I myself wouldn't pick a name like Sickpuppy, I think the issue is more that I'm kinda grossed out by the idea of someone going out of their way to make someone else change their name just because it isn't up to their standards. Don't get me wrong, Sigil can set whatever naming policy they please, but people actually getting upset enough over a name as benign as Sickpuppy that they're willing to force that person to change it does reflect poorly on that person. All my opinion of course, but if you're prepared to judge someone based on their name, you should be willing to accept that there are those who will think less of you for not being able to simply turn the other cheek over a name as innocent as "Sickpuppy."

[Tharzidun]

So what's a good new name for sickpuppy? I propose:

Aegercanis

[DruidFire]

I doubt at this point that CSR has had time to go through the names and it is more probable that there was a petition. This is been the SOE way since Everquest 1, if there is a petition and the name was clearly in violation of the naming policy, its gone. In EQ1 and 2, SOE assigns you a new name with no recourse to change it, that is the part I find harsh. Did they change it or make you change it ?

One of my characters has a borderline name and if at one point I get petitioned, I will be mad (been using it for years in several games), but I will know why it happened and will eventually accept it.

Too bad the GM's arent from SOE...

I can't believe that people still think SOE is running the CS...

[Tharzidun]

While I myself wouldn't pick a name like Sickpuppy, I think the issue is more that I'm kinda grossed out by the idea of someone going out of their way to make someone else change their name just because it isn't up to their standards. Don't get me wrong, Sigil can set whatever naming policy they please, but people actually getting upset enough over a name as benign as Sickpuppy that they're willing to force that person to change it does reflect poorly on that person. All my opinion of course, but if you're prepared to judge someone based on their name, you should be willing to accept that there are those who will think less of you for not being able to simply turn the other cheek over a name as innocent as "Sickpuppy."



My guess, someone got pissed at sickpuppy or his guild, and reported him. If you violate the naming policy with a "marginal" violation like sickpuppy, you run the risk of being reported. At this stage, I guarantee its pretty much /petitions only that result in name changes.

[Zippalbit]

My guess, someone got pissed at sickpuppy or his guild, and reported him. If you violate the naming policy with a "marginal" violation like sickpuppy, you run the risk of being reported. At this stage, I guarantee its pretty much /petitions only that result in name changes.

Another reason not to pick names that are violations of the naming convension... :)

[Faite]

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LOL. I cant be a homo im a girl , hahahaha! Gotcha there sucka'.

[Daefuin]

Google my name, go ahead, do it, ok, wait, let me do it for you...

Google Zippalbit (http://www.google.com/search?q=zippalbit&hl=en&start=0&sa=N)

Go thru the entries. I have used this name in Everquest and here. There is no entry that does not correspond to my everquest name or a few message boards that I have visited. If I can create a name out of thin air that is very catchy, then why can't you. I can't understand what's so hard about that. There are rules in this game that state what is allowed for a name in this game and what is not. Why go through all the grief of picking a name that you know breaks the naming convension? If you do it, you will have it changed. And even if you don't get it changed, you will be the object of ridicule in this game, and maybe even shunned from groups. With this being a very group oriented game, I personally would not want to do anything that would offend anyone even before being asked into a group. I know you think that it should not offend people, but it does, is that not enough reason to not do it? Use some common sense people. Lets not go out and try to offend people, lets just play the game as it is intended to be played.

Because it sounds ****ing nerdy.

[Daefuin]

And anyone who reports someone because of a name is a pussy and needs to reroll irl.

/cry you ruined my immersion. stfu nerds.

[Varel]

Anybody who petitions a name because it's "offensive" needs to be shot.


/peace

[Deinnun]

Anybody who petitions a name because it's "offensive" needs to be shot.

... and the same can be said about those who can't come up with a decent name.

Why argue? Sigil has set the policy and so be it.

[Carni]

That's like saying, just because many people die in car accidents i should be able to carry a gun and use it whenever i please, because in my country car accidents kill more people then guns.

actually no, it's like saying that people who petition names are not actually worried about immersion but are depressed and feel powerless and this makes them feel less so

[Azathul]

While I myself wouldn't pick a name like Sickpuppy, I think the issue is more that I'm kinda grossed out by the idea of someone going out of their way to make someone else change their name just because it isn't up to their standards. Don't get me wrong, Sigil can set whatever naming policy they please, but people actually getting upset enough over a name as benign as Sickpuppy that they're willing to force that person to change it does reflect poorly on that person. All my opinion of course, but if you're prepared to judge someone based on their name, you should be willing to accept that there are those who will think less of you for not being able to simply turn the other cheek over a name as innocent as "Sickpuppy."

The fact of the matter is that there are people out there ready to judge others over just about everything. Everyone has and is entitled to their own opinion. The problem comes in that people are all too willing to be insulting and derogatory about anyone who has a different opinion than they do.

But that is all kind of pointless since in this case it comes down to the simple fact that the name violates the naming policy. The policy is known. It's been advertised and posted. It was Sigil's decision to have one and enforce it. If your name violates that naming convention and it gets changed you deal with it. You chose to push the bounds a bit with your choice of name. Sometimes pushing the boundaries pays off and sometimes it doesn't. When you make a choice like that you agree to take what comes if it good or bad.

[Corven]

I'm glad your name got nerfed.

[Lizard]

I'm pretty sure the naming policy applies to all servers, not just RP ones.

Do you feel your name does NOT violate the policy? Could you articulate why?

Saying "Why me and not some other guy?" is like asking why the cops stopped you and not someone else doing 90 in a 55 zone. Because your number came up. So it goes.

To everyone saying "Well, I don't see why someone's name impacts someone elses play", consider this.

You are invited to a fancy formal ball.

You spend a lot of money on a tux/evening gown.

You are looking forward to an elegant, sophisticated, and memorable evening.

When you get there, there's some fat hiary guy in a sweat-stained t-shirt, torn jeans, and ratty sneakers, eating caviar by sticking his hands in the bowl and taking out big gobs and shoveling it in his mouth. Then he farts a lot.

Part of what you want -- in a party or an online world -- is the experience, the surroundings. You want to immerse yourself into a world with its own rules, whether these are the rules of formal parties or the rules of fnatasy gaming. It's a major component of your enjoyment. When someone decides they don't have to play by the rules because they're just too cool and awesome, they are cheapening the experience of everyone else, and the host -- of the game or the party -- has every right to demand they change their behavior or leave.

I can't see a character in LOTR, Game of Thrones, WoT, Shannara, the Forgotten Realms novels, the Midkemia novels, the Memory, Sorrow, Thorn trilogy, or any other work of high fantasy being named "sickpuppy". Sorry. It doesn't fit, and there's no 'silly name server' that I know of.

If I'm misremembering the naming policy and it explicitly DOESN'T apply to non-RP servers, then, fine, you've got a case. Otherwise...

If Sigil continues enforcement of the naming policy, they will have my business for many years to come.

[Daefuin]

I'm glad your name got nerfed.

nerd alert. go get laid or something

[Elanie]

I had my last name nerfed. I've never had a first name taken away because 90% of the time I use the random name generator to get my character names. If your patient enough, it eventually comes up with something good. Thankfully I have a whole roster of first names that I use now, and none violate the naming policy and all are unique.

But yes, I had my last name nerfed and it was disheartening. I used NotaGnome, which, as a halfling, has been a running joke for a couple of years now, since so many people mistook me for a gnome in EQ2. The name itself spun off a whole other slew of jokes, but that is beside the point. I put it on in this game, and on my very first petition, the Guide showed up to deal with it, and regretfully told me that she would have to remove it. So its gone now, i'm just Elanie. But I'll always be NotaGnome.

That being said, I 100% agree with their naming policy. My name was never meant to break any rules nor did I do it to mess with immersion. It was a joke from a former game, a name that I had gotten used to seeing together. But if I lose my name, i want to see people like this lose theirs: http://vgplayers.station.sony.com/characters.vm?characterId=55834588585

All the Bruce Lee's, all the Legolas', Frodo's (I saw 4 different varieties of Frodo in beta, none in live!), Drizzt's.... stop being a damn scammer and come up with your own name. Use a random name generator like http://www.rinkworks.com/namegen/ (not sure how well it works, but since VG doesn't have one built in, its worth a try) if you are truely incapable of putting letters together in such a way to create a fantasy name.

Sickpuppy, sorry, but your name is really lame, and if you were on my server, I would avoid you at all costs. As well as all the people too stupid to come up with their own names and instead "borrow" from popular media.

[Azathul]

actually no, it's like saying that people who petition names are not actually worried about immersion but are depressed and feel powerless and this makes them feel less so

Do you have some evidence to support this? Professionally done sampling interviews by licensed psychologists/psychiatrists? A link to a Journal of the American Medical Association research study?

That's kind of the thing. Responses like this are a negative supposition about the emotions and motivations of others. They are convenient because they justify a personal feeling, but they tend to lack basis while providing a handy rationalization to ignore what others are saying. 'Since X is just a powerless loser wanting to feel good about themselves I don't have to listen. Everything they say is really just BS to hide their true motivations.' They are also something of a kneejerk reaction that provides a negative judgement on someone disagreeing with you.

My /guess/ is that the preponderance of responses like this is why so many people find forums to be a waste of their time.

[Isobel]

And anyone who reports someone because of a name is a pussy and needs to reroll irl.

/cry you ruined my immersion. stfu nerds.

Anybody who petitions a name because it's "offensive" needs to be shot.


/peace

Anyone who gets this upset over the fact that their name changed should...


READ THE NAMING POLICY. It sucks that the OP lost their name. It really does. Deal with it.

[Lizard]

LOL. I cant be a homo im a girl , hahahaha! Gotcha there sucka'.

I know a lot of comfortable-shoe-wearers who would disagree with that logic...

[Faite]

I know a lot of comfortable-shoe-wearers who would disagree with that logic...

Er, lost me there Lizard lol. (because gay females are called something else but maybe you mean something else :) )

[Corven]

nerd alert. go get laid or something

I hate to break it to you, but posting on a MMO gaming forum puts you pretty squarely in the "nerd" category too.

In any case...the naming policy isn't some secret document. Whether you think it's proper of someone to report you for a relatively minor violation of the game rules (and I pretty much ignore stupid names like Sickpuppy myself), the fact remains that you had access to the text of the rule that you violated, and chose either to not review it, or reviewed it and decided to break it anyway, thinking you'd never get caught.

You got caught, your name got nerfed. Suck it up and move on, don't try to pass off responsibility for your own actions onto someone else.

[Lizard]

nerd alert. go get laid or something

I would like anyone to explain how you can spend 15/month to pretend to be a magical elf in fairy land (which is what everyone playing this game, WoW, EQ, or whatever is doing) and NOT be a nerd.

If you play MMORPGS...you're a nerd.

Be proud of your nerddom, or find a different hobby.

[Lizard]

Er, lost me there Lizard lol. (because gay females are called something else but maybe you mean something else :) )

IME, gay females are called whatever they WANT to be called, and some of them call themselves homos.

[Daefuin]

That being said, I 100% agree with their naming policy. My name was never meant to break any rules nor did I do it to mess with immersion. It was a joke from a former game, a name that I had gotten used to seeing together. But if I lose my name, i want to see people like this lose theirs: http://vgplayers.station.sony.com/characters.vm?characterId=55834588585


Sickpuppy, sorry, but your name is really lame, and if you were on my server, I would avoid you at all costs. As well as all the people too stupid to come up with their own names and instead "borrow" from popular media.[/B][/COLOR]

i lol'd irl in my office just now at that name. i wish i was that creative. wang hunglo lol

this isnt whether or not you, or anyone else, thinks his name is "lame"

this is about all the roleplaying nerds on here that report the names because they feel it doesnt immerse them, or because they think theyre doing the right thing by policing the server and helping the gm staff...


anyways. stfu nerds.

[Daefuin]

I would like anyone to explain how you can spend 15/month to pretend to be a magical elf in fairy land (which is what everyone playing this game, WoW, EQ, or whatever is doing) and NOT be a nerd.

If you play MMORPGS...you're a nerd.

Be proud of your nerddom, or find a different hobby.

there is different levels of nerdism sir. i only play pvp, therefor i am only partial nerd

and i get bonus points for not acting like a total ****ing loser by reporting everything i see

[Faite]

IME, gay females are called whatever they WANT to be called, and some of them call themselves homos.

what is IME?

And where Im from they are called something I would rather not put here.

Homo is saved for the men, I find it all offensive to be honest with you, I was simply commenting as the poster meant to infer that we were all homosexuals and I think he probably felt we were all men.

:) Lets not split so many hairs because it makes my head hurt :( Pwease.

[perfect]

what is IME?...

In My Experience.

[Tatt]

Vanguard has a namming policy. Its simple.

[Daefuin]

Vanguard has a namming policy. Its simple.

so let them handle it. they dont need the wannabe internet e-popo checking up on everyone and reporting anything suspicious.

you guys are like... the hall monitors of the internet. lol.

[Faite]

In My Experience.

Ohhh I see. Im not up on a lot of this chat lingo even after 10 years of it I see :/

Anyway hi Perfect, what up ? Where you been hiding ?

I like my tea with milk and sugar, how about everyone else? (attempt to derail thread implemented)

[Andia]

I could care less about people's names. There are some who do and therefore report it. ~Shrug~ I wouldn't personally report names because I don't care how others play their game. It doesn't affect mine.

there is different levels of nerdism sir. i only play pvp, therefor i am only partial nerd

and i get bonus points for not acting like a total ****ing loser by reporting everything i see

I thought you were having fun with Archlord. Heh.

[Faite]

so let them handle it. they dont need the wannabe internet e-popo checking up on everyone and reporting anything suspicious.

you guys are like... the hall monitors of the internet. lol.

teheheheheheh

[Corven]

i only play pvp

This explains so, so much.

Back to Counterstrike with you :(

[Elanie]

i lol'd irl in my office just now at that name. i wish i was that creative. wang hunglo lol

this isnt whether or not you, or anyone else, thinks his name is "lame"

this is about all the roleplaying nerds on here that report the names because they feel it doesnt immerse them, or because they think theyre doing the right thing by policing the server and helping the gm staff...


anyways. stfu nerds.

I actually have never reported a naming violation except one time when a whole group from the same guild harassed me in a pick up group. They happened to be in a guild called <Skeet Skeet> So I had absolutely no issue reporting them.... call it sweet revenge. Act like an ass, and eventually it'll come back to bite ya.

I simply was letting Sickpuppy know that having a name like that not only violates the naming policy, but it will affect his gameplay, as he will be less likely to get a group, less likely to be taken seriously when he asks a question in public chat, and less likely to be taken seriously when applying for a guild. At least that is the way it has been in my experience, based on me and my friends/guildies across many games. I can choose to not ever group with someone named Sickpuppy, nor answer his questions, nor choose to associate with anyone in his guild, all because he has a name I consider lame. I can do all this without reporting his name. Will I stand the chance to miss out on a friend? Possibly. But I rather prefer people who have a smidge of an imagination.

I don't know why you think this is all about names that are reported. The devs have said explicitly that they will have people who go through the names and will change them as necessary. In most cases, people are able to choose a new name (I know I was given time to come up with a new last name) unless the violation is so obscene it needs to be removed immediately.

[Faite]

This explains so, so much.

Back to Counterstrike with you :(

The different levels of nerd-dom....hm.

I would say Im a closet nerd.

[Lizard]

there is different levels of nerdism sir. i only play pvp, therefor i am only partial nerd


Ah, so because you are incapable of even the minimal level of socialization required for cooperative play, this makes you LESS of a nerd? Seems to me the reverse would be true. Nerdom tends to be measured in lack of social skills and inability to 'work and play well with others'.

In P&P games, the players who can't seem to refrain from killing their fellow party members get booted from the group. Think of how much of a nerd you have to be to be rejected by D&Ders. That's how much of a nerd a PVPer is.


and i get bonus points for not acting like a total ****ing loser by reporting everything i see

So, again, you feel that the LESS you play a game by the rules, the less of an asshole it makes you? Again, IME, the more incapable you are of following the rules and getting along, the more of a jerk you are. An inability to intuit and follow social norms is a key marker for Aspergers, a form of high-functioning autism common to those classed as 'nerds'.

I may need to relinquish my Alpha Geek title to you, if you keep this up.

[Elanie]

so let them handle it. they dont need the wannabe internet e-popo checking up on everyone and reporting anything suspicious.

you guys are like... the hall monitors of the internet. lol.

Do you have any proof whatsoever that this name was reported?

[Daefuin]

I could care less about people's names. There are some who do and therefore report it. ~Shrug~ I wouldn't personally report names because I don't care how others play their game. It doesn't affect mine.



I thought you were having fun with Archlord. Heh.

Exactly! Hurray for a half-decent post! Why report something if it doesn't affect you? And if anyone gives me one of those "it doesnt immerse me" replies everyone will know that you are in fact a total loser.

Nah, I quit playing Archlord so long ago... Maybe november? I went back to WoW and I'm juggling WoW and this right now.

[Joodah]

Sorry Sick (or do you prefer Mr. Puppy?)


lol :D

"They call me Mister Puppy!"

[Faite]

Nerd - A computer expert by aptitude and not mere training. Usually male, under the age of 35 and socially inept; a person whose tremendous skill with operating or designing computer hardware or software is exceeded only by his, rarely her, passionate love of the technology. See also hacker.


1. A creature in a Dr.Seuss children's book, If I Ran the Zoo. 2. A socially inept or unattractive person. 3. A person who is more interested in pursuing intellectual interests than in keeping up with trends in fashion. Since the Internet revolution, "nerd" has become a less pejorative term, and "computer nerd" is even used with admiration.

Traditionally, the designation nerd (occasionally in the form nurd) applies to an intellectually gifted (probably > 120 or so IQ) but lonely and socially awkward person, one fascinated by knowledge, especially science and mathematics, and less interested in physical and social activities. Visual impairment (hence the glasses) and some form of High-Functioning Autism are also common characteristics, and the social impairment can often be explained by the latter. ...

If I Ran the Zoo is a children's book written by Dr. Seuss in 1950.

The book is written in anapestic tetrameter, Seuss's usual verse type, and illustrated in Seuss's trademark pen and ink style. The book is likely a tribute to a child's imagination, because it ends with a reminder that all of the extraordinary creatures exist only in McGrew's head.

If I Ran the Zoo is credited with inventing the word "nerd" with the sentence "And then, just to show them, I'll sail to Ka-Troo/And Bring Back an It-Kutch a Preep and a Proo/A Nerkle a Nerd and a Seersucker, too!"

In the book, Gerald McGrew is a kid who, when visiting a zoo, finds that the exotic animals are "not good enough". He says that if he ran the zoo, he would let all of the current animals free and find new, more bizarre and exotic ones. Throughout the book he lists these creatures, starting with a lion with ten feet and escalating to more imaginative (and imaginary) creatures, such as the Fizza-ma-Wizza-ma-Dill, "the world's biggest bird from the island of Gwark, who eats only pine trees, and spits out the bark." The illustrations also grow wilder as McGrew imagines going to increasingly remote and exotic habitats and capturing each fanciful creature, and brings them all back to a zoo now filled with his wild new animals. He also imagines the praise he receives from others, who are amazed at his "new McGrew Zoo".

Dr Seuss's "If I Ran the Zoo" book is also the main theme for one of the children's play areas at Universal Studios' Islands of Adventure. The small play area is located inside the area of the park known as Seuss Landing, and is themed in the Seussean way Dr Seuss is famous for.

[Lizard]

i lol'd irl in my office just now at that name. i wish i was that creative. wang hunglo lol


So, ripping off a 1970s film (Kentucky Fried Movie) is, by you, creative?

See, the movie was funny because they undermined the pun. The villain introduced his three warriors:

Wan Hung Lo
Long Wang
and...
Enormous Genitals.

The humour didn't come from the lame pun, but from the acknowledgment of the lameness via the introduction of the last one.

(Anyone else remember that movie?)

[Andia]

Exactly! Hurray for a half-decent post! Why report something if it doesn't affect you? And if anyone gives me one of those "it doesnt immerse me" replies everyone will know that you are in fact a total loser.

Nah, I quit playing Archlord so long ago... Maybe november? I went back to WoW and I'm juggling WoW and this right now.

Off Topic Really quickly.

Really? I've been reading the boards and see they are having an update soon. You think you might go back for that? Even though I didn't really play in retail I tried to keep up with the boards as much as I could. That was until they went Free to Play though.

Back on topic.

[Isobel]

i lol'd irl in my office just now at that name. i wish i was that creative. wang hunglo lol

this isnt whether or not you, or anyone else, thinks his name is "lame"

this is about all the roleplaying nerds on here that report the names because they feel it doesnt immerse them, or because they think theyre doing the right thing by policing the server and helping the gm staff...


anyways. stfu nerds.

No, it's a lot more about the naming policy. SOme people have a much more strict view of it than others. Let's not allow the blame to be shifted shall we? The OP's name was in violation of the naming policy. Specifically,

10. Names that contain full or partial sentences (Ikillgoblins, Spongebob, IkillIerkiller and Toasteroven).
11. Names where the combination of the first and last name forms a phrase (e.g. Tellme Astory, Fish Taco, Lukesky Walker.).

He violated the naming policy. End of story. It's not some player's fault. It's not some GM's fault. It's his fault. If he hadn't named his character in violation of policy anyone who reported him would have been ignored.

[Faite]

In closing you are all Nerkles.

[Daefuin]

Off Topic Really quickly.

Really? I've been reading the boards and see they are having an update soon. You think you might go back for that? Even though I didn't really play in retail I tried to keep up with the boards as much as I could. That was until they went Free to Play though.

Back on topic.

Naw, I left and never looked back. The game itself was pretty crappy. I got a kick out of fragging people though. I'm hoping Vanguard item loot server is released pretty soon.

[Daefuin]

No, it's a lot more about the naming policy. SOme people have a much more strict view of it than others. Let's not allow the blame to be shifted shall we? The OP's name was in violation of the naming policy. Specifically,

10. Names that contain full or partial sentences (Ikillgoblins, Spongebob, IkillIerkiller and Toasteroven).
11. Names where the combination of the first and last name forms a phrase (e.g. Tellme Astory, Fish Taco, Lukesky Walker.).

He violated the naming policy. End of story. It's not some player's fault. It's not some GM's fault. It's his fault. If he hadn't named his character in violation of policy anyone who reported him would have been ignored.


This isn't about the policy. This is about the hall monitor nerds that think it's their duty to police the game reporting names that don't immerse them.

It's been the same in every game. GMs typically don't care what your name is (providing it isnt some ridiculously racist or something) until someone reports your name for offending them. This is how it is. Names get changed because of the hall monitor nerds, end of story.

[Faite]

This isn't about the policy. This is about the hall monitor nerkles that think it's their duty to police the game reporting names that don't immerse them.

Fixed.

[Andia]

Naw, I left and never looked back. The game itself was pretty crappy. I got a kick out of fragging people though. I'm hoping Vanguard item loot server is released pretty soon.

I see. It did have a lot of issues. Too bad they couldn't get it all worked out. Anyway good to see you around. :p

[perfect]

Fixed.

I propose a rule: If you are going to edit someone's 'quote' (it's not really a quote cause you editted it, nej?) then you must bold or italics the editted parts.

I'm doing good, Faite. Busy at work cause the semester ended and all that. Not hiding, just playing more nice.

[Faite]

I propose a rule: If you are going to edit someone's 'quote' (it's not really a quote cause you editted it, nej?) then you must bold or italics the editted parts.

I'm doing good, Faite. Busy at work cause the semester ended and all that. Not hiding, just playing more nice.

The only word i changed was nerkle and Im too lazy, sorry :(

[Deinnun]

This isn't about the policy. This is about the hall monitor nerds that think it's their duty to police the game reporting names that don't immerse them.

It's been the same in every game. GMs typically don't care what your name is (providing it isnt some ridiculously racist or something) until someone reports your name for offending them. This is how it is. Names get changed because of the hall monitor nerds, end of story.

Wrong.

There is no evidence whatsoever that Sickpuppys name was petitioned.

[Daefuin]

Wrong.

There is no evidence whatsoever that Sickpuppys name was petitioned.

Do you honestly think the turbonerd that reported his name is going to come search for it on some fansite and lay claim to reporting his name? Hmmm... I reported Sickpuppy, let me go google that in 3 days and see if my plan worked. /evil snicker

Do you honestly think the GMs are going to tell him who reported his name? Hell, customer service representatives in most online games aren't even allowed to say it was because of someone else, even though everyone knows thats why.

[Elanie]

This isn't about the policy. This is about the hall monitor nerds that think it's their duty to police the game reporting names that don't immerse them.

No, that is what YOU want to make this post about. There is no evidence that anyone petitioned his name. It is just as likely his name was caught in the sweep that the devs stated they would be doing.

Link: http://www.silkyvenom.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8859
Naming Policy Enforcement

In the near future Sigil will be evaluating all player names to make sure they are in accordance with the naming policy. Names that are not will need to be changed – we will post more information on this soon but in the mean time, please take a moment to go over the naming policy if you have not already.

[Isobel]

This isn't about the policy. This is about the hall monitor nerds that think it's their duty to police the game reporting names that don't immerse them.

It's been the same in every game. GMs typically don't care what your name is (providing it isnt some ridiculously racist or something) until someone reports your name for offending them. This is how it is. Names get changed because of the hall monitor nerds, end of story.

No, it's really about policy and the fact that the OP's name was in violation of it. If his name was petitioned, at all, and it weren't in violation of policy he would still be called Sickpuppy. The fact is, he violated the naming policy. If I trespass or publicly burn trash or whatever, and you call the police who arrest me i can cry "But i wasn't hurting anybody!" all i want. I still broke the law.

[Elanie]

Do you honestly think the GMs are going to tell him who reported his name? Hell, customer service representatives in most online games aren't even allowed to say it was because of someone else, even though everyone knows thats why.

Actually they will tell you if it was petitioned or not, if you ask. Trust me, I know, a friend of mine has his name nerfed and he asked and was told it was because it was petitioned. No they won't tell you who or even when, just that it was.

[cobble75]

Naw, I left and never looked back. The game itself was pretty crappy. I got a kick out of fragging people though. I'm hoping Vanguard item loot server is released pretty soon.

I see. It did have a lot of issues. Too bad they couldn't get it all worked out. Anyway good to see you around. :p


Someone is happy to see this halfwit???

[Daefuin]

No, that is what YOU want to make this post about. There is no evidence that anyone petitioned his name. It is just as likely his name was caught in the sweep that the devs stated they would be doing.

Oh, so they went through every name across every server changing any names found to be inappropriate? Give me a ****in break. They don't have the manpower, the resources, the time, or the energy to even do 2% of that.

It always has, and always will be, hall monitor nerds reporting names... in Vanguard's case because it doesn't give them "full immersion."

[Isobel]

Oh, so they went through every name across every server changing any names found to be inappropriate? Give me a ****in break. They don't have the manpower, the resources, the time, or the energy to even do 2% of that.

It always has, and always will be, hall monitor nerds reporting names... in Vanguard's case because it doesn't give them "full immersion."

It always has been and always will be the fault of the person who named their character something that clearly violates the naming policy. Crying "Unfair!" after the fact doesn't change things.

[Pixi]

It always has, and always will be, hall monitor nerds reporting names... in Vanguard's case because it doesn't give them "full immersion."

What a predicament. Play the game with some silly hall monitor nerd name or go somewhere else and have that cool name? Decisions, decisions.

[Andia]

Someone is happy to see this halfwit???

Just because you think he's a halfwit means he can't play other games? :confused: I remember him from Archlord. Thing dead.

I didn't defend anything he said or anything anyone else on this thread said either. We all have different ideas and opinions. If we all thought the same what would be the point of being different?

[Daefuin]

Someone is happy to see this halfwit???

Oh I get it! So, I'm unintelligent because I call people out and tell it like it is. That makes perfect sense. Oh wait, no it doesn't.

[Isobel]

Oh I get it! So, I'm unintelligent because I call people out and tell it like it is. That makes perfect sense. Oh wait, no it doesn't.

Sadly, you don't tell it like it is. You tell it like you want it to be. If someone reports a name and that name is not in iolation of the naming policy then the name is fine. If someone reports a name and that name is in violation of the naming policy then it will get changed. Is the change the fault of the 'namer' the 'reporter' or the GM?

[Ziegfried Trueblade]

To be honest a name like Sickpuppy doesn't belong in a fantasy game. If they are going to enforce RP names then I think its fair to say that a name like Sickpuppy is against the rules and has to be changed.

This ain't rocket science. If you have a stupid, offensive name keep it for games that don't have naming rules. Don't expect to be able to call yourself pimpmaster or jokerassassin or some crap and not have people report you.

[Daefuin]

It always has been and always will be the fault of the person who named their character something that clearly violates the naming policy. Crying "Unfair!" after the fact doesn't change things.

I'm not arguing it's against policy, I'm arguing that anyone looks for people with names against the policy and reports just for shits and giggles is in fact a loser.

[cobble75]

You aren't calling anyone out nor telling anything like it is. You are insulting everyone, trying to be a tough guy by being vulgar and generally throwing around your opinion like its worth more than everyone elses.

That is why you are a halfwit.

Not being able to make your point without insulting people makes you a halfwit.

making alot of noise does not mean you are saying a single valid thing.

[Daefuin]

You aren't calling anyone out nor telling anything like it is. You are insulting everyone, trying to be a tough guy by being vulgar and generally throwing around your opinion like its worth more than everyone elses.

That is why you are a halfwit.

Not being able to make your point without insulting people makes you a halfwit.

making alot of noise does not mean you are saying a single valid thing.

Isn't a halfwit someone that is slow, possibly lower than average intellect? Just checking, I could be wrong.

Everything I've said is valid. Name something I have said that isn't.

[Isobel]

I'm not arguing it's against policy, I'm arguing that anyone looks for people with names against the policy and reports just for shits and giggles is in fact a loser.

Ok that's a valid point. Personally, i find it highly ironic that yesterday's character of the day was named Tek Nine and that's ok but Sickpuppy isn't.

[Zippalbit]

i lol'd irl in my office just now at that name. i wish i was that creative. wang hunglo lol

this isnt whether or not you, or anyone else, thinks his name is "lame"

this is about all the roleplaying nerds on here that report the names because they feel it doesnt immerse them, or because they think theyre doing the right thing by policing the server and helping the gm staff...


anyways. stfu nerds.

I personally find that name offensive, myself...

And as always, those that have no arguement resort to name calling...

[cobble75]

there is different levels of nerdism sir. i only play pvp, therefor i am only partial nerd

and i get bonus points for not acting like a total ****ing loser by reporting everything i see

Not to mention, playing a mmorpg and not only not being aware of the stereotype that PvP are the cream of the crop of immatture "nerdness" but going the other way and thinking that PvP makes you less of one just goes to show you how out of touch with reality you are.

[Zippalbit]

so let them handle it. they dont need the wannabe internet e-popo checking up on everyone and reporting anything suspicious.

you guys are like... the hall monitors of the internet. lol.

They have asked for our help time and time again on this issue, and I, for one, will give it to them...

[Geldoff]

So apparently 6 years and 5 MMOs after I started using the name Sickpuppy, someone decided the name was offensive enough to make a policy against it. While I am flattered that I'm seen as important enough for a GM to single me out and take the time out of answering the hundreds of game-breaking issues out there in order to change my name for me - especially as it was only a couple of days ago that it took someone in my guild over 48 hours to get an answer to a missing corpse issue - I don't really understand the insanely twisted logic and bizzare thoughts that went through the head of the person who wrote this policy. In any case, it seems I have no choice but to surrender to your policy and change my name, as any other action will most likely result in pointless, circular discussions of misunderstandings.

A petition from one extremely unhappy customer to one extremely bored GM.

________________________________

Congratulations in directly pissing off one customer and indirectly pissing off many more. Next time you are bored, try putting your time towards something more constructive.

One pissed off customer.

I agree, thats a stupid one to force changed and for this to be the number ONE priority of GMs (which it seems to be), well I would call them Nazis, but the Nazis were organized.

I agree that its stupid, the entire idea of offenseive names is stupid in my opinion but when they start making judgement calls about what is and what is not "immersive" or "fantasy appropriate" they are playing with an area that will indeed get me to leave, no matter how much I like the game.

I say all this as someone who in almost a decade of online gaming, with more then a dozen MMOs under my belt, has never been asked to change a name, never. I just feel there are more important things they could be worried about and I am also infuriated by the "offended" who are most often people who spend the majority of thier lives walking around on an depressingly miserable mission looking for things to be offended by.

[Daefuin]

To be honest a name like Sickpuppy doesn't belong in a fantasy game. If they are going to enforce RP names then I think its fair to say that a name like Sickpuppy is against the rules and has to be changed.

This ain't rocket science. If you have a stupid, offensive name keep it for games that don't have naming rules. Don't expect to be able to call yourself pimpmaster or jokerassassin or some crap and not have people report you.

Then obviously your name doesn't belong either. I look at your name and see Siegfried is spelled the same as Ziegfriend minus the S/Z which ironically sound quite similar. Uh oh... You better watch your back bro, the hall monitors are on to your ass after I pointed that one out.

Honestly though. Do you really care if someone wants to call their character Sickpuppy? This isnt about pimpmaster or jokerassassin. This is about nerds like yourself reporting people because YOU don't like the name.

If you don't think the name is RP enough for your loser tastes then fine, don't group with them. Hell, don't even talk or acknowledge them. Reporting people's name does not increase your penis size.

[Elanie]

Isn't a halfwit someone that is slow, possibly lower than average intellect? Just checking, I could be wrong.

Everything I've said is valid. Name something I have said that isn't.

Validate your point by proving or at least providing supporting evidence that:


[B]The OP's name was nerfed directly in response to a petition (or a few petitions)
This post is in fact about "narcs" who sent a petition in.


Unfortunately, you keep saying what you think to be valid, without providing anything even resembling evidence to support it. So without evidence, sorry, buddy, it is invalid.

(wow who would have thought those critical thinking classes in college would help me argue on the internet. I am SO cool )

[nagal]

I must be a total nerd loser then because I do petition stupid names all day long.

Do I look for them? no but if I see them, I petition them.

[Zippalbit]

Exactly! Hurray for a half-decent post! Why report something if it doesn't affect you? And if anyone gives me one of those "it doesnt immerse me" replies everyone will know that you are in fact a total loser.

Nah, I quit playing Archlord so long ago... Maybe november? I went back to WoW and I'm juggling WoW and this right now.

Ah, but it does effect me, for if you find ways to rationalize breaking this rule, you will find ways to rationalize using bug exploits, or rationalizing selling stuff for real money, or training those that are after a target you want, or yada yada yada. In other words, if you don't enforce the rules, why have any rules at all?

[Isobel]

I agree, thats a stupid one to force changed and for this to be the number ONE priority of GMs (which it seems to be), well I would call them Nazis, but the Nazis were organized.


It's actually the priority of one guy, from what i understand. I reported a name on release day, a Mordebi who, stupidly, named their character 'Niggahs Shoulddie'. It took the GM all of 15 minutes to gank the guy from game and in talking to the GM i got the impression (impression onlyhe didn't directly say) that it was his job and his alone.

[Denidil Taureran]

all the "Whaaa my name got nerfed" trolls who didn't bother to read the naming policy need to keep their trolling related to that issue in this thread and don't attempt to troll other threads because their name apparently correspondes to the size of their e-peen :rolleyes:

[Daefuin]

Validate your point by proving or at least providing supporting evidence that:


[B]The OP's name was nerfed directly in response to a petition (or a few petitions)
This post is in fact about "narcs" who sent a petition in.


Unfortunately, you keep saying what you think to be valid, without providing anything even resembling evidence to support it. So without evidence, sorry, buddy, it is invalid.

(wow who would have thought those critical thinking classes in college would help me argue on the internet. I am SO cool )

You want validation?

1. Sigil does not have the manpower, resources, or time to actively search for people with names that borderline rule breaking. Sickpuppy, two words... hardly offensive.

2. 90% of the losers on these fansites admit to actively reporting people's names because it makes them feel less immersed.

3. Do you know of any game that actively browses player names solely for the purposes of finding borderline rulebreakers? Sickpuppy, two words, LOL.

4. This post is about the nerds that send petitions in because that's what I'm talking about. If you don't like that then don't respond to it. Wait... what the hell kind of dumb question is that? Validate what you're talking about.



That is all the validation you need. Your fellow nerds gave you away with all the posts saying they do petition people for name violations.

Done and done. You are bad.

[Pixi]

all the "Whaaa my name got nerfed" trolls who didn't bother to read the naming policy need to keep their trolling related to that issue in this thread and don't attempt to troll other threads because their name apparently correspondes to the size of their e-peen :rolleyes:

/gasp

I bet that makes you a nerd too! Oh my.

[Geldoff]

I must be a total nerd loser then because I do petition stupid names all day long.

Do I look for them? no but if I see them, I petition them.


This guy reports names jsut because HE thinks there "stupid" and he does it "all day long". Is this the kind of community you expected in Vangaurd?

This is exactly the kind of "nazi-ism" and community division policies like this create in these games. Also think of the increased time in just going through all these petitions. What they have created is a bunch of "hall monitors" who are just going to generate alot of meaningless petitions for them to plow thorugh.

Even if it is just one GM (who does this fulltime) that one GM not getting people unstuck, not bug testing, not helping people recover corpses, etc etc etc - all becuase this guy thinks some other guys name is "stupid"?

try this instead:

SELECT * FROM [db.whatever]
WHERE name LIKE '%somethingoffensive%'

Stop asking your community to report on each other if they think a name is stupid!

[cobble75]

To get back on the point of the thread and away from throwing pebbles at a forum tough guy

I don't really care about names unless its verbally offensive or insulting. Sure, its annoying and i rarely group with people with those redicilous names because its a dead giveaway to they type of gamer they are. But the names *shrug*

What is the point though is that no matter what people think is silly or stupid its the way they want to run thier game. Remember that, no matter how much people seem to think thier 15 bucks a month is worth, its thier game. if they choose to make policy then its the way it is. If you break the policy then don't cry how stupid the policy was to begin with as your defense when you get caught.

You know it was policy, you chose to ignore, and you had to change. Doesnt matter what it is. Ever go to a club that wouldnt let you in if you were wearing a hat? Just as retarded yet what can you do, its thier damn club

[Trillis]

If the toon named Thancksbye reads these forums...he can thank me for having his name changed.

After his oops mt in general chat last night i reported the name as being a violation of the naming convention.

Names should not be a phrase or sentence.

Thanks, Bye,

Trillis

[Daefuin]

If the toon named Thancksbye reads these forums...he can thank me for having his name changed.

After his oops mt in general chat last night i reported the name as being a violation of the naming convention.

Names should not be a phrase or sentence.

Thanks, Bye,

Trillis

loser roll call

[Zippalbit]

One of the arguements that is given to not reporting names is the question "why should it bother you if someone has a name like SickPuppy" Well, if names are so insignificant, why should it bother you if someone's name gets changed?

[Daefuin]

You know it was policy, you chose to ignore, and you had to change. Doesnt matter what it is. Ever go to a club that wouldnt let you in if you were wearing a hat? Just as retarded yet what can you do, its thier damn club


But what if that club let you in and didn't say anything about it until someone else complained. Then what?

Try it sometime. Make a character with a borderline name... like Toughman or Bigjohn and petition that you're stuck or something. See if the GMs voluntarily bring up your name change. It'll never happen.

Example: I know WoW is a different game, but the policies are similar. My friend used the name Nutsbig. He had to petition for several different reason as we leveld to 60. It wasn't until maybe a month after he had been 60 that he had to change his name... And it was because he got reported by someone.

[Corven]

UR ALL NURDZ LOL

NOW I GO BACK TO LIFTING WEIGHTS AT MY COMPUTER DESK AND PWNZING PPPL WITH HEDSHOTZ LOLLLLLL

Now that I've summed up all of Daefuin's past and future posts, can we get back to discussing the naming policy?

[nagal]

This guy reports names jsut because HE thinks there "stupid" and he does it "all day long". Is this the kind of community you expected in Vangaurd?

This is exactly the kind of "nazi-ism" and community division policies like this create in these games. Also think of the increased time in just going through all these petitions. What they have created is a bunch of "hall monitors" who are just going to generate alot of meaningless petitions for them to plow thorugh.

Even if it is just one GM (who does this fulltime) that one GM not getting people unstuck, not bug testing, not helping people recover corpses, etc etc etc - all becuase this guy thinks some other guys name is "stupid"?

just like YOU do not think the naming policy is important does not me I feel the same way. We each have our own priorities and abide by them. That is why post like this are stupid to no end. No one will ever agree 100% on what the right action and we all just sit around whining all day long (in addition to petitioning stupid names).

[cobble75]

But what if that club let you in and didn't say anything about it until someone else complained. Then what?

If it was a policy i knew about when i went in I would take my hat off and go about my buisness.

Or

I would decide it was to lame a rule to keep giving them my money and I would leave.


What I wouldnt do is cry like a baby at how dumb it was and then start insulting everyone else in the club.

[Geldoff]

To get back on the point of the thread and away from throwing pebbles at a forum tough guy

I don't really care about names unless its verbally offensive or insulting. Sure, its annoying and i rarely group with people with those redicilous names because its a dead giveaway to they type of gamer they are. . . .


me too, thats yet another benefit of letting stupid people have stupid names, they are easier to identify without the CRs and wasted time envolved in actually grouping with them.

[Daefuin]

If it was a policy i knew about when i went in I would take my hat off and go about my buisness.

Or

I would decide it was to lame a rule to keep giving them my money and I would leave.


What I wouldnt do is cry like a baby at how dumb it was and then start insulting everyone else in the club.

Would you insult the kid that reported you and then mocked you about it? I would. Because the club officials obviously don't care enough to enforce the rule.

[Isobel]

This guy reports names jsut because HE thinks there "stupid" and he does it "all day long". Is this the kind of community you expected in Vangaurd?

This is exactly the kind of "nazi-ism" and community division policies like this create in these games. Also think of the increased time in just going through all these petitions. What they have created is a bunch of "hall monitors" who are just going to generate alot of meaningless petitions for them to plow thorugh.

Even if it is just one GM (who does this fulltime) that one GM not getting people unstuck, not bug testing, not helping people recover corpses, etc etc etc - all becuase this guy thinks some other guys name is "stupid"?

try this instead:

SELECT * FROM [db.whatever]
WHERE name LIKE '%somethingoffensive%'

Stop asking your community to report on each other if they think a name is stupid!

What if the violations are offensive, such as the one i mentioned previously? Should we ignore them then? As you are so fond of Nazi references...

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

--Pastor Martin Niemöller

The best system is the one we have now. If it boths you, say something, if the GM decides it's in violation it goes.

[Daefuin]

What if the violations are offensive, such as the one i mentioned previously? Should we ignore them then? As you are so fond of Nazi references...

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

--Pastor Martin Niemöller

The best system is the one we have now. If it boths you, say something, if the GM decides it's in violation it goes.

I don't think that quote works in your favor. When they come for your name, noone is going to be left to speak out.

[Daefuin]

Try it sometime. Make a character with a borderline name... like Toughman or Bigjohn and petition that you're stuck or something. See if the GMs voluntarily bring up your name change. It'll never happen.

Example: I know WoW is a different game, but the policies are similar. My friend used the name Nutsbig. He had to petition for several different reason as we leveld to 60. It wasn't until maybe a month after he had been 60 that he had to change his name... And it was because he got reported by someone.

i edited a previous post, u may have missed it

[Chae668]

This guy reports names jsut because HE thinks there "stupid" and he does it "all day long". Is this the kind of community you expected in Vangaurd?

This is exactly the kind of "nazi-ism" and community division policies like this create in these games. Also think of the increased time in just going through all these petitions. What they have created is a bunch of "hall monitors" who are just going to generate alot of meaningless petitions for them to plow thorugh.

Even if it is just one GM (who does this fulltime) that one GM not getting people unstuck, not bug testing, not helping people recover corpses, etc etc etc - all becuase this guy thinks some other guys name is "stupid"?

try this instead:

SELECT * FROM [db.whatever]
WHERE name LIKE '%somethingoffensive%'

Stop asking your community to report on each other if they think a name is stupid!

if you dont want to get reported for a "bad name" dont make one up. yesturday i saw "cheesy fondu" (spelling on fondu?) did i report? no.. did i think long and hard about it, yes. come on.. cheesy fondu????

if you dont want to get in trouble for your name, friggin put some thought into what you are making. funny goofy names are not permitted here.

[Isobel]

I don't think that quote works in your favor. When they come for your name, noone is going to be left to speak out.

I was actually making the point that Nazi references are out of place in the discussion. Also, if something bothers someone it is better to speak up. The GMs know that will happen so they give us an outlet. Saying something like "Stop asking your community to report on each other if they think a name is stupid!" is insane.

[cobble75]

Would you insult the kid that reported you and then mocked you about it? I would. Because the club officials obviously don't care enough to enforce the rule.


I dont recall the kid mocking me in the original story? Unless you are comparing it to this thread and what the kid really did was just shrug and say "dude, you were wearing a hat"


But no, I wouldn't. I don't feel the need to insult someone for not agreeing with me. Nor am I such a sad bastard that I feel that my ego needs to lash out at someone who was following the rule.

My guess is that you wouldnt insult him either, considering it would be in a club and you would have no internet to hide behind.

As fun as this is to pass the time at work, I apologize to those who are making valid points in this thread. I am finished with arguing with Mr. Chucklehead over there.

[Chae668]

I was actually making the point that Nazi references are out of place in the discussion. Also, if something bothers someone it is better to speak up. The GMs know that will happen so they give us an outlet. Saying something like "Stop asking your community to report on each other if they think a name is stupid!" is insane.

whether the "community" thinks the name is "stupid" is not the case. they petition a GM, said GM looks at name. GM decides whether that name is valid. dont think for a second that the "community" is responsible for getting the name changed. its all up to said GM.

again, put some honest thought into the name. stupid names are just going to get changed. simple as that. shoulnt have to be 18 thousand pages long.

[Geldoff]

What if the violations are offensive, such as the one i mentioned previously? Should we ignore them then? As you are so fond of Nazi references...

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

--Pastor Martin Niemöller

The best system is the one we have now. If it boths you, say something, if the GM decides it's in violation it goes.


Personaly I would allow any non tradmarked name. Since you like colloquialisms (although the one you use works more FOR my argument then against - something many may realize when someone else thinks THIER name is stupid?) think about this one:

"Sticks and Stones my break my bones but WORDS WILL NEVER HURT ME"

Now I recognize that I am someone who is just not offended by words, some people have much thinner skins and some "speech" is reasonably qualified as offensive (racial slurs of course would fit in here). However, when people start saying things like "the name was not immersive" or "its not fantasy appropriate" or for christ sake, "its a stupid name", they have gone way too far.

Again I believe they could pretty easily prevent most offensive names by simply creative SQL query, on top of that people will ALWAYS report truly offensive names, speech, behavoir, whether you ask them to or not. A proactive policy asking the community to maliciously report on one another, is in general a bad idea in my experience.

[Daefuin]

Personaly I would allow any non tradmarked name. Since you like colloquialisms (although the one you use works more FOR my argument then against - something many may realize when someone else thinks THIER name is stupid?) think about this one:

"Sticks and Stones my break my bones but WORDS WILL NEVER HURT ME"

Now I recognize that I am someone who is just not offended by words, some people have much thinner skins and some "speech" is reasonably qualified as offensive (racial slurs of course would fit in here). However, when people start saying things like "the name was not immersive" or "its not fantasy appropriate" or for christ sake, "its a stupid name", they have gone way too far.

Again I believe they could pretty easily prevent most offensive names by simply creative SQL query, on top of that people will ALWAYS report truly offensive names, speech, behavoir, whether you ask them to or not. A proactive policy asking the community to maliciously report on one another, is in general a bad idea in my experience.

qft

[Geldoff]

if you dont want to get reported for a "bad name" dont make one up. yesturday i saw "cheesy fondu" (spelling on fondu?) did i report? no.. did i think long and hard about it, yes. come on.. cheesy fondu????

if you dont want to get in trouble for your name, friggin put some thought into what you are making. funny goofy names are not permitted here.

I just want to point out again, that in a decade of online gaming, through more then a dozen MMOs, I have NEVER been asked to change a name, NEVER.

I am not agaisnt this becuase it has any direct effect on me, I am against it becuase it has a direct effect on the community and generates a general impression of the development and support staff that is predominantly negative (not to mention it takes precious resources that the game desperately nees at the moment).

[Daefuin]

whether the "community" thinks the name is "stupid" is not the case. they petition a GM, said GM looks at name. GM decides whether that name is valid. dont think for a second that the "community" is responsible for getting the name changed. its all up to said GM.

again, put some honest thought into the name. stupid names are just going to get changed. simple as that. shoulnt have to be 18 thousand pages long.

Actually, it is the community. The GM would never even take a look at the name, minus radical offenses such as racial slurs, until it gets complained about.

It's not your job to report to stupid names.

[Isobel]

Again I believe they could pretty easily prevent most offensive names by simply creative SQL query, on top of that people will ALWAYS report truly offensive names, speech, behavoir, whether you ask them to or not. A proactive policy asking the community to maliciously report on one another, is in general a bad idea in my experience.

That's the point.What is offensive is subjective. Obviuosly the people who feel the name 'ruins their immersion' are offended.

[Chae668]

Actually, it is the community. The GM would never even take a look at the name, minus radical offenses such as racial slurs, until it gets complained about.

It's not your job to report to stupid names.

even still, you miss my point. even is said GM would not have noticed doesnt mean when he is summoned its the person making the petitions decision on the name.

i believe this subject s about name policy. perhaps someone should start another thread about racial slurs. i am only talking about this naming policy. will not affiliate myself with stupid rants on racial slurs.

[Zippalbit]

A proactive policy asking the community to maliciously report on one another, is in general a bad idea in my experience.

In my experience, whenever a naming policy has been enforced strictly in a game, it has had a positive effect on the community.

[Daefuin]

even still, you miss my point. even is said GM would not have noticed doesnt mean when he is summoned its the person making the petitions decision on the name.

i believe this subject s about name policy. perhaps someone should start another thread about racial slurs. i am only talking about this naming policy. will not affiliate myself with stupid rants on racial slurs.

Right, and a racial slur in a name is an example. Reading comprehension 4tl.

Other than that, you're post didn't make any sense. So you said I missed your point... but you agreed with me? English 4tl.

[Chae668]

In my experience, whenever a naming policy has been enforced strictly in a game, it has had a positive effect on the community.

exactly.

maybe a week ago, sigil made a post that they are going to start inforcing the naming policy. cant find the link atm, but am still searching for it. perhaps that will stop this laughable thread.

[Daefuin]

In my experience, whenever a naming policy has been enforced strictly in a game, it has had a positive effect on the community.

Examples? Sorry, but Hello Kitty Online, Runescape, and Minesweeper don't count.

[Tashan]

I am not agaisnt this becuase it has any direct effect on me, I am against it becuase it has a direct effect on the community and generates a general impression of the development and support staff that is predominantly negative (not to mention it takes precious resources that the game desperately nees at the moment).

Just so I get it straight... So it is a negative image when you have a company that states:

1. All of the naming rules up front

2. States the reason for said naming rule (because they want this to be an immersive experience, along with the common sense rules of offending someone)

3. And then actually sticks to their ruling.

To me that seems like a company that actually stands behind what they say. Personally I would have bigger misgivings if they stated those rules and then never actually enforced them as that gives you the idea you can do whatever you want without repercussion. If anything it at least shows that they try on some things.

[Daefuin]

exactly.

maybe a week ago, sigil made a post that they are going to start inforcing the naming policy. cant find the link atm, but am still searching for it. perhaps that will stop this laughable thread.

It's because of all the nerds like you reporting 43 people a day and complaining about names like "Sickpuppy."

[Chae668]

Right, and a racial slur in a name is an example. Reading comprehension 4tl.

Other than that, you're post didn't make any sense. So you said I missed your point... but you agreed with me? English 4tl.

oooo.. "english 4tl" that the best you could come up with? again, i am not affiliating myself with racial. my point was what you didnt quote me on.....

read my previous posts again. im not getting into an argument with a WoW affiliate. with your stupid 4tw or 4tl shiz

[Zippalbit]

Actually, it is the community. The GM would never even take a look at the name, minus radical offenses such as racial slurs, until it gets complained about.

It's not your job to report to stupid names.

Daefuin, what he is saying is that even if reported, the name is not necessarily changed. It is the GM's discression as to whether or not it is changed. I cannot change a name, I can only report it.

[Chae668]

It's because of all the nerds like you reporting 43 people a day and complaining about names like "Sickpuppy."

i reported noone thus far. perhaps you should rethink calling or assuming someone did, and in reality did not.

dont assume anything.. that is where this thread is going. on assumtion now. go read sigils FAQ. i think you will find some stuff that will shut you up.

[Corven]

Examples? Sorry, but Hello Kitty Online, Runescape, and Minesweeper don't count.

Minesweeper has a community?

Go away, troll.

[Chae668]

Daefuin, what he is saying is that even if reported, the name is not necessarily changed. It is the GM's discression as to whether or not it is changed. I cannot change a name, I can only report it.

thank you.

[Zippalbit]

Examples? Sorry, but Hello Kitty Online, Runescape, and Minesweeper don't count.

Everquest the first few years it came out...

[Elanie]

You want validation?

1. Sigil does not have the manpower, resources, or time to actively search for people with names that borderline rule breaking. Sickpuppy, two words... hardly offensive.
So you say. Yet I provided evidence that states the exact opposite. In case you missed it the first time: http://www.silkyvenom.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8859

Just as an FYI, my boyfriend has used the name Simonsays for the last 10 years in every game he's ever played. He used it here in VG as well. One day, I came home from work and he told me that a GM had approached him and told him that he would have his name changed in the next 3 days, and gave him the opportunity to pick a new name. So yes, I honestly do believe that Sigil not only has the resources to do this, but they ARE doing exactly what they said they would.

2. 90% of the losers on these fansites admit to actively reporting people's names because it makes them feel less immersed.
Actually, 95% of stats on the internet are made up on the spot. And honestly, going through this post, most people have stated they do not report names, with only 2 saying they actively do, and a few others saying they would if it was truely offensive/racist.

3. Do you know of any game that actively browses player names solely for the purposes of finding borderline rulebreakers? Sickpuppy, two words, LOL.
Nope, but see, nothing says VG can't be the first. And honestly, I am kinda glad for it. I'm tired of gaming with Legoassss and Drizzzzzzzzt.

4. This post is about the nerds that send petitions in because that's what I'm talking about. If you don't like that then don't respond to it. Wait... what the hell kind of dumb question is that? Validate what you're talking about.
You are making this post about people that sent in the petition. The OP mentioned nothing about having his name petitioned, only that a GM showed up and said that it had to be changed.

And yet, no actual FACTS OR PROOF was supplied in your post, just repeating the same tired OPINION over and over. You have not validated anything, only said what you had said before. Try again, next time, actually think, and try to back up what you say.

[Daefuin]

Just so I get it straight... So it is a negative image when you have a company that states:

1. All of the naming rules up front

2. States the reason for said naming rule (because they want this to be an immersive experience, along with the common sense rules of offending someone)

3. And then actually sticks to their ruling.

To me that seems like a company that actually stands behind what they say. Personally I would have bigger misgivings if they stated those rules and then never actually enforced them as that gives you the idea you can do whatever you want without repercussion. If anything it at least shows that they try on some things.

All rules posted aren't actually cared about or enforced. I learned this one in the 2nd grade! Actually, all online games have name policies like that just in case they ever do need to enforce something, not because they're terrified of names like Sickpuppy.

[Elanie]

exactly.

maybe a week ago, sigil made a post that they are going to start inforcing the naming policy. cant find the link atm, but am still searching for it. perhaps that will stop this laughable thread.

I've linked it twice now. :rolleyes:

[Geldoff]

Just so I get it straight... So it is a negative image when you have a company that states:

1. All of the naming rules up front

2. States the reason for said naming rule (because they want this to be an immersive experience, along with the common sense rules of offending someone)

3. And then actually sticks to their ruling.

To me that seems like a company that actually stands behind what they say. Personally I would have bigger misgivings if they stated those rules and then never actually enforced them as that gives you the idea you can do whatever you want without repercussion. If anything it at least shows that they try on some things.

No you actualy left out the one I complained about (kinda funny really)

4. Ask the community to monitor and report on one another

That is were they both hurt the community and damage thier own image in my opinion. What is most obnoxious about it is its not necessary. People will report things that acutally offend them (asked or not), all this does is get people to report things that are not offensive, things they just dont like for whatever reason.

Some people just have a large desire to impose thier own opinions or will on others. All a policy like this does is encourage and validate that type of person.

[Chae668]

All rules posted aren't actually cared about or enforced. I learned this one in the 2nd grade! Actually, all online games have name policies like that just in case they ever do need to enforce something, not because they're terrified of names like Sickpuppy.

well, perhaps this is the mile stone of games. they ARE cared about and ARE inforced.

[Chae668]

I've linked it twice now. :rolleyes:

thank you. saved me alot of work.

[cobble75]

Elanie,

I appreciate your posts but arguing with children like him is fruitless. He has his opinion and his intent beyond that is to simply be ignorant and spread idiocy. He could say the sky is blue during a rainstorm and his pleasure wouldnt be in that he was wrong it would be in that he was making you angry.

Children often act this way when they dont get enough attention. Hopefully someone will give poor Daefin a hug and tell him they love him and he will get less abrasive.

Or after reading his constant use of retard-speak like 4tw someone will just hand him a helmet and allow him to continue to lick windows....

either way, if you just leave him be eventually he will see something shiny and move on :)

[HarmonyShidreth]

All rules posted aren't actually cared about or enforced. I learned this one in the 2nd grade! Actually, all online games have name policies like that just in case they ever do need to enforce something, not because they're terrified of names like Sickpuppy.

Actually, most online games have naming policies because EQ set the precedent for naming policies. And in EQ the naming policy was quite nicely enforced until the management changed after a few years. So, I guess you can wait for a couple years for Vanguard to get bought out and the management team to move on, or you can take 5 minutes to read the rules and follow them.

[Daefuin]

So you say. Yet I provided evidence that states the exact opposite. In case you missed it the first time: http://www.silkyvenom.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8859

Nope, but see, nothing says VG can't be the first. And honestly, I am kinda glad for it. I'm tired of gaming with Legoassss and Drizzzzzzzzt.


You are making this post about people that sent in the petition. The OP mentioned nothing about having his name petitioned, only that a GM showed up and said that it had to be changed.

And yet, no actual FACTS OR PROOF was supplied in your post, just repeating the same tired OPINION over and over. You have not validated anything, only said what you had said before. Try again, next time, actually think, and try to back up what you say.

Do you really believe sigil is capable of individually looking at every single character name in order to insure it's adherance to the naming policy? LOL. You are a poor misguided individual if you truly believe that.

The proof is this thread. There is quite a few people posted saying they regularly report people... That is the proof. The proof is that people do in fact do this. It truly is a difficult concept, I know. (lol?)

So you think because your boyfriends name was changed that its because of some randomized check done by Sigil? Get real. Someone reported his stupid ass.

[Trejian Ojuda]

:rolleyes: I can't believe there are a whole 18 pages over this.....

[Daefuin]

oooo.. "english 4tl" that the best you could come up with? again, i am not affiliating myself with racial. my point was what you didnt quote me on.....

read my previous posts again. im not getting into an argument with a WoW affiliate. with your stupid 4tw or 4tl shiz

I play therefor my argument is wrong. Good one! What grade are you in again kid?

[Zippalbit]

All rules posted aren't actually cared about or enforced. I learned this one in the 2nd grade! Actually, all online games have name policies like that just in case they ever do need to enforce something, not because they're terrified of names like Sickpuppy.

Gee, I have this very old fashion stance on rules. I think rules should not have to be enforced, for the good of the community, rules should be followed by the members of the community voluntarily.

[Daefuin]

Daefuin, what he is saying is that even if reported, the name is not necessarily changed. It is the GM's discression as to whether or not it is changed. I cannot change a name, I can only report it.

Right. But none of the borderline names like Sickpuppy would ever be changed unless for some player it "offends".

[Geldoff]

Everquest the first few years it came out...

Just so you know I played EQ in its early days. One guy I knew had the name "Ballbreaker". He was asked to change this name about 2 years after the game launched. Oddly enough, he didnt even play the charactor anymore, so, they caught it through query, not some "hall monitor" reporting him. Even so allowing a name the developers think is offensive (which they obvioulsy did, becuase they asked him to change it on a toon he didnt even play anymore) to exist for 2 years, is hardly strict enforcement.

I remember they were pretty tough about trademarks and things that were truly offensive (racial slurs, curse word combinations) but I dont remember alot of people being forced to changed their names because it was "stupid", "not fantasy enough" or "not immersive". Nor do I remember alot of people running in total angst generating petitions because they felt someone else had a stupid name.

[Zippalbit]

Do you really believe sigil is capable of individually looking at every single character name in order to insure it's adherance to the naming policy? LOL. You are a poor misguided individual if you truly believe that.

The proof is this thread. There is quite a few people posted saying they regularly report people... That is the proof. The proof is that people do in fact do this. It truly is a difficult concept, I know. (lol?)

So you think because your boyfriends name was changed that its because of some randomized check done by Sigil? Get real. Someone reported his stupid ass.

No one believes that they can look at every single name, that's why they have asked for our help, and help they will get from me...

[Tashan]

No you actualy left out the one I complained about (kinda funny really)

4. Ask the community to monitor and report on one another

That is were they both hurt the community and damage thier own image in my opinion. What is most obnoxious about it is its not necessary. People will report things that acutally offend them (asked or not), all this does is get people to report things that are not offensive, things they just dont like for whatever reason.

Some people just have a large desire to impose thier own opinions or will on others. All a policy like this does is encourage and validate that type of person.

Um unless you missed it this is essentially a "community" ran game... There are no "official" forums, there is no "direct intervention" by the devs for the most part. Because, as they have stated before, they WANT the game to be dependent on the community and the community to develop as it chooses. now whether or not you or I agree with that is immaterial as that is how they envisioned it. And that means the community enforcing the rules themselves by the means they have available (petitioning).

[Rourke]

Right. But none of the borderline names like Sickpuppy would ever be changed unless for some player it "offends".

/sick.....I would never ever in a million years report a silly name like Sickpuppy. Sure, it's a little lame, but whoever reported it is a giant tool imo. Who are they to decide what a person considers immersive or not. Immersive is an opinion, not a fact. This world is going down the crapper faster than i can believe. Unless it's completely offensive, why can't people mind their own buisness? How did Sickpuppy ruin your day? Did you instantly get visuals of a poor little ill puppy and cry?

[Chae668]

I play therefor my argument is wrong. Good one! What grade are you in again kid?

your the one showing your age, chief. seems you are the ONLY one left arguing about this. maybe read some other posts before you decide to post again, since your argument is now loosing its steam.

FYI, 27 ITT-Tech, Computer Networking.

but i shouldnt have to explain myself to you.

[eronakis]

So apparently 6 years and 5 MMOs after I started using the name Sickpuppy, someone decided the name was offensive enough to make a policy against it. While I am flattered that I'm seen as important enough for a GM to single me out and take the time out of answering the hundreds of game-breaking issues out there in order to change my name for me - especially as it was only a couple of days ago that it took someone in my guild over 48 hours to get an answer to a missing corpse issue - I don't really understand the insanely twisted logic and bizzare thoughts that went through the head of the person who wrote this policy. In any case, it seems I have no choice but to surrender to your policy and change my name, as any other action will most likely result in pointless, circular discussions of misunderstandings.

A petition from one extremely unhappy customer to one extremely bored GM.

________________________________

Congratulations in directly pissing off one customer and indirectly pissing off many more. Next time you are bored, try putting your time towards something more constructive.

One pissed off customer.



Lawl! For one those names belong in wow! I hate people with stupid names, sometimes there are some that are cool and actually funny, but yours is retarted!

[Zippalbit]

Just so you know I played EQ in its early days. One guy I knew had the name "Ballbreaker". He was asked to change this name about 2 years after the game launched. Oddly enough, he didnt even play the charactor anymore, so, they caught it through query, not some "hall monitor" reporting him. Even so allowing a name the developers think is offensive (which they obvioulsy did, becuase they asked him to change it on a toon he didnt even play anymore) to exist for 2 years, is hardly strict enforcement.

I remember they were pretty tough about trademarks and things that were truly offensive (racial slurs, curse word combinations) but I dont remember alot of people being forced to changed their names because it was "stupid", "not fantasy enough" or "not immersive". Nor do I remember alot of people running in total angst generating petitions because they felt someone else had a stupid name.

I'm not saying they got every name out there, but they damn sure tried. And as far as the not fantasy enough part, they did change names based on that. I know I had reported several people based on that alone and their names were changed. Believe me, had I seen Ballbreaker, he would have been petitioned. Everquest, early on, had some of the strictest name policy and enforcement that I have seen in any mmo. This, in my opinion, had a very positive impact on the game.

[Geldoff]

Gee, I have this very old fashion stance on rules. I think rules should not have to be enforced, for the good of the community, rules should be followed by the members of the community voluntarily.


This is the type of gamer that makes up the community I want to belong too. Not the guys that run around filled with angst becuase they think someone elses name is stupid, non immersive, not "role play" or whatever.

I am perfectly willing to allow people with stupid names to play, I simply dont play with them. Why is it so important to some of you what the name of someone elses charactor is ? (try this /ignore [stupidname])

[Chae668]

/sick.....I would never ever in a million years report a silly name like Sickpuppy. Sure, it's a little lame, but whoever reported it is a giant tool imo. Who are they to decide what a person considers immersive or not. Immersive is an opinion, not a fact. This world is going down the crapper faster than i can believe. Unless it's completely offensive, why can't people mind their own buisness? How did Sickpuppy ruin your day? Did you instantly get visuals of a poor little ill puppy and cry?

lol, read all 18 pages chief. they arent deciding. the GM's are. your as bad as the other dufus.

[Parallax]

So the community wants this? Are you sure? have you been reading this thread?

I think what you mean to say is that a minority of the community will have the ability to enforce thier personal opinion about names on the rest because of an all encompassing policy that makes 80% of every name in use a possible violation and therefore just waiting for /petition junkie's to pounce and then feel all self rightous about how they are saving the "Vanguard vision". /puke

[Zippalbit]

/sick.....I would never ever in a million years report a silly name like Sickpuppy. Sure, it's a little lame, but whoever reported it is a giant tool imo. Who are they to decide what a person considers immersive or not. Immersive is an opinion, not a fact. This world is going down the crapper faster than i can believe. Unless it's completely offensive, why can't people mind their own buisness? How did Sickpuppy ruin your day? Did you instantly get visuals of a poor little ill puppy and cry?

OMG, THE PERSON THAT REPORTS THE NAME DOES NOT DECIDE IF IT IS BAD, THE GM DOES!!! STOP MAKING THAT LAME ARGUEMENT.

[Chae668]

So the community wants this? Are you sure? have you been reading this thread?

I think what you mean to say is that a minority of the community will have the ability to enforce thier personal opinion about names on the rest because of an all encompassing policy that makes 80% of every name in use a possible violation and therefore just waiting for /petition junkie's to pounce and then feel all self rightous about how they are saving the "Vanguard vision". /puke

maybe said individual doesnt make said stupid name, then said individual doesnt have to worry about GM's or petitioners. what a concept

[Daefuin]

your the one showing your age, chief. seems you are the ONLY one left arguing about this. maybe read some other posts before you decide to post again, since your argument is now loosing its steam.

FYI, 27 ITT-Tech, Computer Networking.

but i shouldnt have to explain myself to you.

Shrug. I see plenty of posts arguing the same as me, like I said before... Reading Comprehension 4tl. Oh right, that makes me a WoW kiddie which makes me unintelligent. MY BAD!

Get real. Learn to ****ing type so I don't have to pretend like I'm explaining something to some retarded kid.

[cobble75]

/sick.....I would never ever in a million years report a silly name like Sickpuppy. Sure, it's a little lame, but whoever reported it is a giant tool imo. Who are they to decide what a person considers immersive or not. Immersive is an opinion, not a fact. This world is going down the crapper faster than i can believe. Unless it's completely offensive, why can't people mind their own buisness? How did Sickpuppy ruin your day? Did you instantly get visuals of a poor little ill puppy and cry?

I also wouldnt report it either, but bear in mind that the reporter didnt change his name. He reported and some admin agreed.

I dont like the idea of reporting borderline names at all. Names like IrapezU need to be reported though imo. (I actually reported that one in Wow awhile back, dont know what happened there)

But there is a fine line, better to just report if something offends you and let the admins make the call, if they dont think its worthy. No harm no foul

[Chae668]

Shrug. I see plenty of posts arguing the same as me, like I said before... Reading Comprehension 4tl. Oh right, that makes me a WoW kiddie which makes me unintelligent. MY BAD!

Get real. Learn to ****ing type so I don't have to pretend like I'm explaining something to some retarded kid.

now your telling me how i can and cant type? besides, you already said that you play WoW, so my assuming the 4tl quote from WoW was valid. thanks for proving my point yet again.

[Daefuin]

So the community wants this? Are you sure? have you been reading this thread?

I think what you mean to say is that a minority of the community will have the ability to enforce thier personal opinion about names on the rest because of an all encompassing policy that makes 80% of every name in use a possible violation and therefore just waiting for /petition junkie's to pounce and then feel all self rightous about how they are saving the "Vanguard vision". /puke

Bump. Good summary.

[Chae668]

well, bout time we went to the volcano. was waiting to see how long that took.

[Geldoff]

Um unless you missed it this is essentially a "community" ran game... There are no "official" forums, there is no "direct intervention" by the devs for the most part. Because, as they have stated before, they WANT the game to be dependent on the community and the community to develop as it chooses. now whether or not you or I agree with that is immaterial as that is how they envisioned it. And that means the community enforcing the rules themselves by the means they have available (petitioning).

The community is not enforcing the rules, they are simply acting as "hall monitors" and reporting people for names they simply dont like. Enforcing the rule would be the ability to actually do something about it.

Also I dont think this is a community run game at all really, I am not sure how the lack of an official forum leads you to that conclusion (maybe it was a marketing idea after all LOL)? However, I can point out that the naming policy was not developed by the community, therefore it is an artificial barrier to the organic development of a community, becuase it is a limiting factor that is imposed upon us.

I say let the community enforce the rule, dont group with people who have names that offend you or you think are stupid. That would be community enforcement. All you have now is officialy sponsored community whinning in the form of a petition (aka "I think this guys name is stupid, please make him change it for me")

[perfect]

well, bout time we went to the volcano. was waiting to see how long that took.

Welcome. Welcome.

Relax, enjoy a beer or three.

[Rourke]

OMG, THE PERSON THAT REPORTS THE NAME DOES NOT DECIDE IF IT IS BAD, THE GM DOES!!! STOP MAKING THAT LAME ARGUEMENT.

OMG!!!! I LIKE TEH CAPS LOCKZ!!! the person REPORTING is the intial baby. Look, i'm all for respect and creativity..but if your reporting names like Sickpuppy, your prolly the same guy in the office keeping track of how long your co-workers take for lunches. Sorry..i manage a company, and the 1st person i hate is the kiss-up tattletale in the bunch.

[Daefuin]

now your telling me how i can and cant type? besides, you already said that you play WoW, so my assuming the 4tl quote from WoW was valid. thanks for proving my point yet again.

What does playing WoW have to do with my logical reasoning abilities and your lack thereof. Not to mention the fact that you can't even type in anything roughly resembling english. I don't care how people type as long as it's understandable, but in your case it isn't.

Anyways... What does me playing WoW have to do with this again? Oh, it's just an excuse because you're too stupid to understand simple sentences and arguments.

[Daefuin]

OMG!!!! I LIKE TEH CAPS LOCKZ!!! the person REPORTING is the intial baby. Look, i'm all for respect and creativity..but if your reporting names like Sickpuppy, your prolly the same guy in the office keeping track of how long your co-workers take for lunches. Sorry..i manage a company, and the 1st person i hate is the kiss-up tattletale in the bunch.

i just laughed out loud

[perfect]

i just laughed out loud

Why? I failed to find anything funny in that post and I'm a pretty funny guy. Ask anyone.

[Daefuin]

Why? I failed to find anything funny in that post and I'm a pretty funny guy. Ask anyone.

Comparing these losers to the people who keep track of their co-workers lunch time.

[Chae668]

What does playing WoW have to do with my logical reasoning abilities and your lack thereof. Not to mention the fact that you can't even type in anything roughly resembling english. I don't care how people type as long as it's understandable, but in your case it isn't.

Anyways... What does me playing WoW have to do with this again? Oh, it's just an excuse because you're too stupid to understand simple sentences and arguments.

dude. what is your problem? i have to be a scholar in your book to post my opinion?

the WoW comment was a simple way to pick out your "logic" with what you typed to me. the 4tl was a simple way to find out. your just trolling now. give it a rest. perhaps stop focusing on me and my non english typing, and actually focus on what the thread and "other" people are saying.

[Rourke]

Why? I failed to find anything funny in that post and I'm a pretty funny guy. Ask anyone.

YOU WILL LOL AND YOU WILL LIKE IT PERFECT!! DO YOU HEAR ME??!!

[Daefuin]

dude. what is your problem? i have to be a scholar in your book to post my opinion?

the WoW comment was a simple way to pick out your "logic" with what you typed to me. the 4tl was a simple way to find out. your just trolling now. give it a rest. perhaps stop focusing on me and my non english typing, and actually focus on what the thread and "other" people are saying.

You don't read very well do you? I've been arguing my point the whole time Mr. Youplaywowsoyou'rewrong.

[perfect]

Comparing these losers to the people who keep track of their co-workers lunch time.

Oh, so the...metaphor...that's not it...simile? Hrm.

The comparison is what you found funny.

Like when I compare a sick puppy to a fluffy cloud that reminds me of Allyson Hannigan?

[Rourke]

That's it!! I am making an alt name Dookie Hauser. Post now if your going to report me on Woefeather so i can hate you in advance.

[Elanie]

the person REPORTING is the intial baby.

Actually the person breaking the naming policy in the first place is the initial baby. I'm not saying that there aren't "name police" out there (hell, one has made himself known here) but for the most part, people tend to just ignore it. But honestly, if you make a name that breaks the policy, and you lose it when the GM's find it (either through a petition or through the sorting process they have said they are doing) you have NOTHING to complain about. That is why both me and my boyfriend who have had our names nerfed NOT due to people petitioning us, but you didn't see us come crying here about our name being nerfed.

yes, NotaGnome was against the policy. I made it before I read the policy and fully expected it to go away. It did the first time I had to petition for a game bug. No big deal. I don't need it.

yes, Simonsays is against the naming policy. He was upset but didn't come crying here when he lost his name. Heck, he didn't even try to get around it by fudging a last name. He's just Simon now.

So yeah, I hold no pity for someone who broke the rules and then came here to cry over it. It doesn't matter HOW the GM found out, because we don't know. The GM did find out, the name was changed. SUCK IT UP.

[perfect]

YOU WILL LOL AND YOU WILL LIKE IT PERFECT!! DO YOU HEAR ME??!!

SIR!!! YES, SIR!!!

[Geldoff]

So the community wants this? Are you sure? have you been reading this thread?

I think what you mean to say is that a minority of the community will have the ability to enforce thier personal opinion about names on the rest because of an all encompassing policy that makes 80% of every name in use a possible violation and therefore just waiting for /petition junkie's to pounce and then feel all self rightous about how they are saving the "Vanguard vision". /puke


This is exactly the kind of negative impression that develops when they ask players to "report on" other players. This is exactly what I was talking about in terms of the negative impression it leaves regarding the developers and the kind of "factionalizing" effect this type of policy has on the community. The worst part is, its all too accurate.

[Rourke]

Allyson Hannigan?
Who the hell is that?

[Chae668]

You don't read very well do you? I've been arguing my point the whole time Mr. Youplaywowsoyou'rewrong.

ok, i said back on page 17 million that i wasnt going to argue with a dufus like you. i believe you have lost your way, and perhaps you should run back to WoW where you are a respected and established player. i will leave you alone now, so you can vent and rant and whatever your "logic" is about whatever you decide to do with youself. i will take my non-scholar english typing elsewhere. perhaps your home world of WoW will accept me better than being in your humble and godly english.

[perfect]

Who the hell is that?

Oh, my God. You, Rourke, officially suckith.

I used 'suckith' instead of 'suck' cause I didn't want to break immersion.

[Rourke]

Oh, my God. You, Rourke, officially suckith.

I used 'suckith' instead of 'suck' cause I didn't want to break immersion.

thank ye, i almost reporteth you to Silky....ALL HAIL TELON!!

[Geldoff]

Oh, my God. You, Rourke, officially suckith.

I used 'suckith' instead of 'suck' cause I didn't want to break immersion.

ROFL I like this guy!

[Rourke]

ROFL I like this guy!

figures..i find him quite rude...see Volcano post about his jerkiness.....oh and BTW....Band Camp girl...i get it...i get it....

[Geldoff]

Its a shame they moved this thread (or that it aprently degenerated) as it really is as important issue in my opinion, not only becuase it created many rifts in the community and creates meaningless work for GMs, but because if at this point in this games life, the naming policy is a high priority for the developers, then I have to believe they have thier priorities all wrong. It shouldnt even be on the radar right now in my opinion, there are far too many REAL problems, ones that ACTUALLY DO effect the gaming of other players and they should be focusing thier time on those.

again:

SELECT * FROM [dbo.whatever]
WHERE name LIKE '%somethingoffensive%'

would be a much better solution, especially since people will always report offensive names or behavoir, there is no need for an official request to do so, especially concerning something as ambiguous as a naming policy.

[kingpin]

Do you really believe sigil is capable of individually looking at every single character name in order to insure it's adherance to the naming policy? LOL. You are a poor misguided individual if you truly believe that.


Once a name has been reviewed, it doesn't need to be reviewed again. How much manpower does it really take to go over the list of newly created characters each day? At this point, I would say a couple thousand of characters are created each day. It would take only a few employees at their coffee break to scan through the list. It didn't take me an hour to figure out that Sickpuppy is in violation of the naming rule.

[Rourke]

Well..it seems we have gone from offensive to "not immersive enough", which is complete BS. It's no ones right to judge one's view of "immersive" Some people arent all nerdy and can come up with bizarre fantasy names either...like me. Hell..i wanted to name my guy Bob. My wife gave me.."the eye".

[Rourke]

It didn't take me an hour to figure out that Sickpuppy is in violation of the naming rule.

Why again is it a violation?

[Geldoff]

Why again is it a violation?

mainly becuase he thinks its stupid (hell point to something else of course, but that is the real reason). The naming policy is ambiguous enough that you can make an argument to ban almost any name, so if you dont like someones name, petition and give it a try, you will see (especially funny from guy named "kingpin" LOL).

My name for example, is it "stupid", "non immersive" or offensive? Well one could easily make the argument that it is the last name a very famous musician and therefore "non-immersive" and should be banned. As far as I know no one has made that petition, but they easily could.

[Daefuin]

Why again is it a violation?

He can't fully immerse himself when someone is so obviously breaking the rules. It ruins his gameplay.

[Zippalbit]

Well..it seems we have gone from offensive to "not immersive enough", which is complete BS. It's no ones right to judge one's view of "immersive" Some people arent all nerdy and can come up with bizarre fantasy names either...like me. Hell..i wanted to name my guy Bob. My wife gave me.."the eye".

It is Sigil's right to do anything they want with their game. It is your right to refuse to give them money for said game if you don't like it.

[Geldoff]

Why again is it a violation?

He can't fully immerse himself when someone is so obviously breaking the rules. It ruins his gameplay.


LOL

I tell ya what breaks my immersion, chunk streaming, lag, CTDs, broken quests, etc etc etc

Working on these issues will create a better game for everyone. Changing sickpuppys name only makes one gamer feel temporarily satisfied, until he finds something else he can be offended about (which my guess is takes less then 30 minutes or so).

[Daefuin]

It is Sigil's right to do anything they want with their game. It is your right to refuse to give them money for said game if you don't like it.

They're not proactively doing it though. People like you are the ones doing it. Hail to the hall monitors.

[Zippalbit]

Why again is it a violation?

Sentence fragment

[Daefuin]

So that offends you? You can't fully immersify yourself when you know there is someone logged in named Sickpuppy?

[Zippalbit]

They're not proactively doing it though. People like you are the ones doing it. Hail to the hall monitors.

Again, if you don't like how the game is played or the people in it, you have every right to leave.

[Saidera]

I am upset over the way Sigil has handled dealing with Sickpuppy’s name. His name was not changed because someone reported it, there is no derogatory or offensive language in it, and (in my opinion) it certainly doesn’t ruin immersion. A GM took it upon himself to change it when responding to a petition submitted by Sick regarding a character issue.

How many people here would tell a Native American with a traditional style name such as Soaring Eagle to change it because it doesn’t conform to the North American style of naming someone? I would hope no one. There are so many variations of what an acceptable name is around the world. I would hope Sigil can recognize intent to violate terms of service over (what some of you consider) poor name selection.

For people who have a passion for gaming, our names reflect a lot more then just a character we play. You build up good reputations, relationships, friendships that span across multiple games, and when your name is taken away from you, essentially all of that is lost.

Sick is one of the most talented and fun people I have ever had the opportunity to play with. I am disgusted in the way Sigil handled a “borderline” case.

Saidera
Officer of Pain (http://www.areyoureadyforpain.com/html/index.php)

[Zippalbit]

So that offends you? You can't fully immersify yourself when you know there is someone logged in named Sickpuppy?

Nope, it's against the naming policy, therefore, if I see such a name, I'll report it.

[Geldoff]

Nope, it's against the naming policy, therefore, if I see such a name, I'll report it.


how is it a violation of the policy that is what he is trying to get at, my guess is you are a RP preferred gamer?

[Rourke]

It is Sigil's right to do anything they want with their game. It is your right to refuse to give them money for said game if you don't like it.

This answer is just pathetic. I love Sigil and have been called a Vanboy more than i like to admit. But if you think judging a name that does not violate copyright laws and is has no offensive words in it should STILL be banned because somewhere in your angry little mind it's not "immersive" enough, than your screwed in the noggin.

If i got the name Bob Bagley...would that be /reported? If so why? Please..i need to know from a Sigil "hall monitor" as it was so eloquently put as to why?

[Rourke]

Nope, it's against the naming policy, therefore, if I see such a name, I'll report it.

NEVERMIND.....i wasn't aware you were "one of THOSE"........lol. BTW..Zippabit would be against the naming policy also.

[Zippalbit]

how is it a violation of the policy that is what he is trying to get at

What I posted before in this thread more than once before. (http://www.silkyvenom.com/forums/showpost.php?p=88241&postcount=227)

[Elanie]

This answer is just pathetic. I love Sigil and have been called a Vanboy more than i like to admit. But if you think judging a name that does not violate copyright laws and is has no offensive words in it should STILL be banned because somewhere in your angry little mind it's not "immersive" enough, than your screwed in the noggin.

If i got the name Bob Bagley...would that be /reported? If so why? Please..i need to know from a Sigil "hall monitor" as it was so eloquently put as to why?

It is two words combined together to create a phrase. That is against the rules. Just like "Simonsays" and "NotaGnome" (actually 3 words). He broke the rules. It has jack-nut to do with immersion or someone petitioning (see, told you!) the name as breaking the rules. The GM found the name and changed it because it BROKE THE RULES. So please, just give up on the "hall monitors" crap.

[Rourke]

What I posted before in this thread more than once before. (http://www.silkyvenom.com/forums/showpost.php?p=88241&postcount=227)

So..."Nighthawk" would also be a violation? anything with 2 words strung together? So any Native American name? I mean this is retarded!!!

[Geldoff]

Again, if you don't like how the game is played or the people in it, you have every right to leave.

and he has every right to complain, bitch, argue and post about things he wants changed (redress of greviences so to speak). Of course if you dont like that, you dont have to read his posts.

[Rourke]

It is two words combined together to create a phrase. That is against the rules. Just like "Simonsays" and "NotaGnome" (actually 3 words). He broke the rules. It has jack-nut to do with immersion or someone petitioning (see, told you!) the name as breaking the rules. The GM found the name and changed it because it BROKE THE RULES. So please, just give up on the "hall monitors" crap.

no.

[Daefuin]

So..."Nighthawk" would also be a violation? anything with 2 words strung together? So any Native American name? I mean this is retarded!!!

pretty much. zippalwidnt will have you reported in like 2 seconds flat guy. watch out

[Zippalbit]

This answer is just pathetic. I love Sigil and have been called a Vanboy more than i like to admit. But if you think judging a name that does not violate copyright laws and is has no offensive words in it should STILL be banned because somewhere in your angry little mind it's not "immersive" enough, than your screwed in the noggin.

If i got the name Bob Bagley...would that be /reported? If so why? Please..i need to know from a Sigil "hall monitor" as it was so eloquently put as to why?

I have never said banned, I have always said change the name. I love how people twist things into what they are not. Also, I have always stated it is because the name violatest the naming policy I would report it, not because it is "imersive enough". Before this post, you will NEVER find the word imerse or any variation of it in my posts, as I also think that is a lame excuse. Please go back and read what I said before you make further comments on what I didn't say.

[Rourke]

I have never said banned, I have always said change the name. I love how people twist things into what they are not. Also, I have always stated it is because the name violatest the naming policy I would report it, not because it is "imersive enough". Before this post, you will NEVER find the word imerse or any variation of it in my posts, as I also think that is a lame excuse. Please go back and read what I said before you make further comments on what I didn't say.

you report "sentence fragments" apprently dude. SENTENCE FRAGMENTS!!!!! WTH IS THAT??!!! You cannot come to my parties.

[Zippalbit]

So..."Nighthawk" would also be a violation? anything with 2 words strung together? So any Native American name? I mean this is retarded!!!

By strictest interpretrutation, it would, but if you want my honest opinion, reporting such a name would not result in a name change.

[Rourke]

By strictest interpretrutation, it would, but if you want my honest opinion, reporting such a name would not result in a name change.

Nighthawk is no different than Sickpuppy. So it should be changed.

[Elanie]

Just for your reading pleasure:

http://www.silkyvenom.com/forums/showthread.php?t=859

For those of you too lazy to click and/or read the whole thing:

SIGIL'S THIRD GENERATION CUSTOMER SUPPORT
MICHELLE BUTLER GIVES US A PEEK
An exclusive interview with Michelle Butler, by Raya

NAMING POLICY

Michelle said that in-game names will be carefully monitored at the time of player-choosing, first by the filter, then by a GM. It surprised me that each name would be run by a GM. Michelle explained that this was important for immersion in the game. Sigil is going all out to provide this immersive experience for the players, and names in Telon will be an important part of the immersion.

"We will have a detailed naming policy for characters and guilds," Michelle said. "When you select your character's name, it will be compared to an extensive name filter (and possibly rejected), then passed to a Game Master. Every name will be approved by a Game Master. If the GM determines that your name infringes on a section of the policy you will be notified which section and asked to choose another name. It is important for us to maintain the immersion. It will cover the basics and intentional abuses of letters, or misspellings."

I had to ask: "So no cute names? There was one in EQ - Cantouch Myheiney. Stuff like that will be rejected?"

Michelle agreed that those names would be rejected. "We will list the rules by group (i.e. most offensive to least) and treat the 'violation' separately, based on the severity of the violation."

When she said, "We strive to maintain a world where most names fit the genre, or are close," I wondered if "Raya" would pass the test.

"Only if it is yours, Michelle explained. "As your name would be popular media, similar in our world to, say, Walter Cronkite."

I was glad to hear that, but wondered if the name of my main EQ character (Raydiance, misspelled on purpose to avoid the filter but very meaningful to me) would be accepted by the Vanguard naming system.

Michelle gave me the good news, "Actually it would. Unless the name is from a person popular in the media or is a copyrighted name, it would probably pass. The sun can be described as 'raydiance.'"

"What about names of popular fiction characters - like Gimli - Aragorn - Stryder, etc.?" I asked. "They maintain the ambience, but are not distinctively original."

Michelle was very clear on this. "We more want to enforce well-thought-out names. Those are copyrighted names, and we must prohibit them in any form, including any derivation or misspelling of the names. They belong in the world of LOTR not Telon.

"Much Like Mickey Mouse is in Disney world."

I was still overwhelmed at the enormity of having each name passed by a GM…and it occurred to me, if each name were passed by a GM, then there might be recourse if your name was rejected and there was a valid reason behind it.

"A player will be able to ask for a re-consideration if the name was rejected and there is a valid reason why the name should be approved. But, should a player try to abuse the name policy repeatedly, it could result in us taking additional actions against that player," Michelle said. " Of course, really objectionable words…say, sexual or hate type words…would be judged by a harsher standard than a minor infraction."

I thought of all the times in EQ when people with strange or offensive names had certainly reduced the immersion of the game for me.

"That sounds very fair to me--and somewhat reassuring," I said. "There seems to be a level of caring in this system that wasn't apparent in latter-day EQ. Some of the names that escaped the filters were horrendous and some of the rejects were downright silly to be rejected. Being a writer, I find that names are very important to me."

Michelle agreed. "That is why, although a name will pass through a filter first (and could be rejected at that level), we will also check the name before it becomes permanent. Names are very important to me as well."

It would be very time-consuming, I thought, and said as much to Michelle.

"Very time consuming," she said, "but it will get us all off to the right foot…or, well, name." She grinned at me.

And to summarise.... Native American names, when they actually belong to you, would be allowed. There are several filters, so it may be missed at first, but that in no way means its permanent.

Seriously, guys. Just don't make lame names, copywrited names, or offensive names, and you have nothing to worry about.

[Trystan365]

After six years, you shouldn't be allowing to use Sickpuppy. Sickbi**ch or Sickdog might be more appropriate, as you should be 35 in human years.

[Zippalbit]

pretty much. zippalwidnt will have you reported in like 2 seconds flat guy. watch out

Again, Daefuin has no arguement, so he resorts to name calling... It is a typical childish maneuver when one of limitted intellegence is confronted with a logical arguement that conflicts with his own opinions.

[Geldoff]

And to summarise.... Native American names, when they actually belong to you, would be allowed. There are several filters, so it may be missed at first, but that in no way means its permanent.

Seriously, guys. Just don't make lame names, copywrited names, or offensive names, and you have nothing to worry about.

unfortunately you are missing what upsets me about this (I dont speak for anyone else).

Again 10 years of online gaming, more then dozen MMOs I have never been asked to change a name and I have not been asked in Vangaurd either, nor do I believe I ever will. This has nothing to do with me or my names.

Just out of curiosity can you define "lame" names or give us a list so we can better avoid them?

[Zippalbit]

Nighthawk is no different than Sickpuppy. So it should be changed.

The GM that changed his name has a different opinion. It's really not up to me whether his name gets changed or not, as I have stated over and over again.

[Rourke]

After six years, you shouldn't be allowing to use Sickpuppy. Sickbi**ch or Sickdog might be more appropriate, as you should be 35 in human years.

See..i'm not defending that Sickpuppy is a good name. IMO it's a completely stupid name. But i think he has every right to pick a really stupid name if he chooses. It's not offensive in any way. "SickB***h would be very offensive though. I think this rule has gone too much on the side of opinion rather than common sense. It's silly and makes little sense. If Nighthawk would be permitted than Sickpuppy should be. You can't have it both ways. It's wrong.