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Mizpah
02-09-2007, 08:48 AM
Greetings!

Firstly thanks to anyone who takes the time to read this thread. The quote below is a letter as sent to Sigil CS today. I am wondering if anyone else has experienced similar ? (especially with the crafting issue, I am aware that others have also lost items)

Greetings,

(For the record, this is also being posted on the forums (silky and vgcrafters) to see if the information within can help others, especially with regards to the SOE responce!)

I appear to have both a game breaking issue (for my charector in its chosen sphere), and a major equipment issue. One of which has been petitioned multiple times, but I assume deleted, due to the restrictions mentioned within the MoTD (although I did not feel it was covered by this!). The second issue clearly does fall with these restrictions hence the mail, and also some feedback from SOE Chat support, which you may find interesting.

I would like to preface this with the fact that I am in no way trying to ‘bash Sigel’ over this, I am merely looking for a solution, and it is frustrating having a character unable to progress in one sphere, and severely gimped in another at the same time.

I have opted to go with the verbose explanation, in the hope that it helps you identify the issues.
1) Crafting Issue: Character remains unspecialised despite completing the specialisation correctly, and thus cannot train T2.
2) After a crash to desktop, under relog I appeared a good distance away, dead, and missing 80% of my items and clothing.
3) SOE TSR response, at odds with in game messages.

1) Crafting Issue:

Background Mizpah, Florendyl, Adv level 11, lvl 13 ‘Tailor’. Crafting Stat pool is correct. Reputation with Thestrian and Kojani artisans, and with the respective continents is over 100.

After completing (at crafting level 11) the Seek the trainer quest, it sent me to Toby Fitch, in Renton Keep. He then asked me to make some items, these were completed and handed in, and the quest was completed.

I was now a Tailor (or so I thought). Upon log in I decided to run through some old quests in the log, the first of which was ‘outpost delivery’.

So I trudged to Southwatch, to discover that although I could hand the crate in with no problems, I received no follow up quests or work. Odd.

I then headed back to BC, to discover (at level 12) that my trainer has nothing to teach me. I then also discover that I am still receiving both Leatherworking and Tailoring WO’s.

I wonder if I have been rolled back, so I head back to Renton, to discover that Toby has nothing more of interest to say to me. I then verify that the trainers in Tursh, NT, and BC are all the same.

At this point I decide to go to Kojan, to see if I can advance in the crafting sphere there.

So first things first, I turn in 50 WO’s and complete the fiend hunter crafting quest to bring my relevant factions gains up so the crafting NPC’s will offer me the ‘seeking the trainer’ quest. This done, I get awarded the quest and head out to Martok, die 9 times, but find the relevant npc.

I completed ‘Seeking the trainer’ and receive the quest credit, and in the dialogue box he states ‘speak to me when you are ready to commence your training’. Sadly it turns out that he does not like Thestrian Dwarves after all and from this point onwards ignores me.

Due to the patch some new T1 crafting items have been backfilled, upon heading back to BC I discover that I can indeed pick those up, but the patterns stop at level 10.

In final desperation I note that you can now change specialisation and wondered if I could change and change back to reset things, rather than reset crafting entirely. However upon testing this with every Thestrian outfitter I can find, I discover that they won’t give me the option, assumingly as they do not think I am specialised.

In addition to this I have also hailed every single crafting related NPC in Thestra several times – I am sure they are all quite sick of me now, as indeed is the crafting channel that has had to put up with my Dwarvish bad mood in the last week *stomp stomp stomp*.

This has been petitioned several times now, albeit with no response. Any and all help gratefully appreciated!

2) Equipment Issue:

Not as complex! After a crash to desktop riding down the road, I return to find myself 60 yards off the road, dead, halfway up a mountain, and sadly underneath a cave troll of some description.

I resurrect, and realise that I can’t actually walk up the mountain to the point where I was laying, so I /sigh and head to the alter, and summon back my stuff (I had died nine time in Martok yesterday, it was starting to make no difference). However as I loot my tombstone I notice that it is still somewhat short of items, the majority of my items have gone, I am wearing some very old armour from around level 6, several slots are empty and I have no crafting or harvesting items.

So aside from wondering if the cave troll mugged me before killing me, I am once more stuck. All of my stat and level allocations are correct (so it does not appear to be a straight roll back), several reboots et all, have not helped the situation, nor (suprisingly) has logging off, drinking a large amount of whiskey and logging back in the next day.

I should note that I have not petitioned this second issue due to the MoTD.

3) SOE TSR Response to Crafting issue:

In a flash of inspiration I decide to use the Sony online chat, to ask how to raise these issues, as if they appear to be bug related, they are not being responded to (accidently or otherwise). I explain my crafting issue, in detail, and I mention the MoTD, asking, not for a fix, but the correct route to escalate the issue.

The TSR who I won’t name here - we will call him ‘Bob’ - (although I have the full transcript), replies that I have to use /petition in game for anything involving the in game character or items.

I reply with the information that I had tried this, but the petition had been dropped without a response being received, and that I suspected that it was viewed as falling under the banner of the ‘current bug’ and hence was being filtered out.

Bob responds with “It has probably been dropped in error, please resubmit”.

I (admittedly sarcastically at this point) reply with “ I see, its unfortunate that the same error has been made four times in a row then!”

Bob’s reply ? “TSR Bob has left the conversation” /sigh


Help Please!!

I did however from Bob receive the CS email address, hence this missive to your good selves seeking further assistance, I appreciate that this may take time and you are stretched, however a reply to say that you will eventually be able to deal with it will go a long way!

Yours in Telon,

Mizpah
Guild leader of Enigma, on Florendyl Server
www.enigmaguild.org

If anyone has experienced similer, or could advise that would be much appreciated!

Haze
02-09-2007, 08:55 AM
lol, obviously you got drunk and the cave troll took advantage of you!

I feel your pain, a lot of people have had the exact probs and I haven't seen any happy posts yet in response.. but good job writing in. The crafting thing sure sucks, haven't heard about that yet :cry: .

Denidil Taureran
02-09-2007, 09:47 AM
it sucks that you're encountering these issues - and the Sigil team i'm sure is very sorry that you encountered them. They are working as hard as they can (60+ hour weeks) to fix these bugs - but sadly they were forced to release earlier than they were fully comfortable with due to financial reasons (They ran out of money) - even then some bugs would slip through because it is literally impossible to exhaustively test an MMORPG.

so please be patient with them, they are working as fast as they can to resolve your issues.

Mizpah
02-09-2007, 10:11 AM
Indeed Den, I actually have nothing but respect for Sigil, for turning the vanguard vision into reality. I guess my only tentitive complaint would be that an acknowlegement would be nice, If I have to wait a week for a fix so be it, at least then I know I dont need to drop my crafting skills!

ShadeVice
02-09-2007, 10:14 AM
Whats with the freakin word gamebreaking in so many posts...

The only thing that will break the game is a nuclear bomb dropping on the entire staff of sigil. Or perhaps a ninja assassinating brad in his sleep.

stop saying gamebreaking!. sheesh and cripes and much profanities.

Mizpah
02-09-2007, 12:17 PM
Whats with the freakin word gamebreaking in so many posts...

The only thing that will break the game is a nuclear bomb dropping on the entire staff of sigil. Or perhaps a ninja assassinating brad in his sleep.

stop saying gamebreaking!. sheesh and cripes and much profanities.

Sorry Shade, I used the the phrase in the context of that fact that it stopped progression within an entire sphere, for my toon. Removed as it is causing confusion.

*However* I would like to add that on the crafting affiliate site, Silius has posted to say its being looked into.

jones5414
02-09-2007, 12:40 PM
Whats with the freakin word gamebreaking in so many posts...

The only thing that will break the game is a nuclear bomb dropping on the entire staff of sigil. Or perhaps a ninja assassinating brad in his sleep.

stop saying gamebreaking!. sheesh and cripes and much profanities.

I agree with this post. There are many other applicable phrases that can be used, like:
- unplayable
- inadequate
- error prone
- defect ridden
- unusable
- painful
- tedious
- broken
- premature release
- unenjoyable

Fate
02-09-2007, 01:46 PM
3) SOE TSR Response to Crafting issue:

In a flash of inspiration I decide to use the Sony online chat, to ask how to raise these issues, as if they appear to be bug related, they are not being responded to (accidently or otherwise). I explain my crafting issue, in detail, and I mention the MoTD, asking, not for a fix, but the correct route to escalate the issue.

The TSR who I won’t name here - we will call him ‘Bob’ - (although I have the full transcript), replies that I have to use /petition in game for anything involving the in game character or items.

I reply with the information that I had tried this, but the petition had been dropped without a response being received, and that I suspected that it was viewed as falling under the banner of the ‘current bug’ and hence was being filtered out.

Bob responds with “It has probably been dropped in error, please resubmit”.

I (admittedly sarcastically at this point) reply with “ I see, its unfortunate that the same error has been made four times in a row then!”

Bob’s reply ? “TSR Bob has left the conversation” /sigh


SOE does not handle in-game issues. At all. They do billing and account issues, but if the issue regards bugs or your character that is Sigil.

When you /petition it goes into their queue. If it's an issue covered by the MOTD expect the ticket to get closed. If you're offline when they attempt to contact you, expect it to get closed.

Here's the really important part:
/petition is not for bug reporting. Use /bug for it.

RedRider
02-09-2007, 03:21 PM
/petition is not for bug reporting. Use /bug for it.

Once and for all, I am not a beta tester but a paying customer, I advise Customer Service that there is a problem, if they judge its a bug, let them /bug it. When they start paying me or at least stop charging me, I will think about /bugging things.

Tashan
02-09-2007, 04:24 PM
Whats with the freakin word gamebreaking in so many posts...

The only thing that will break the game is a nuclear bomb dropping on the entire staff of sigil. Or perhaps a ninja assassinating brad in his sleep.

stop saying gamebreaking!. sheesh and cripes and much profanities.

Hrm... let us see how gamebreaking is actually applicable:

1. This individual can no longer proceed as a crafter period until the bug is fixed.

2. We were told that crafters would not be required to adventure, and adventurers would not be required to craft.

So given that I would consider it gamebreaking for him as he cannot proceed to play this character as he was told he could to raise the sphere he was told he could raise independent of all other spheres. But then that is just me, and I do know how that is as until last night my wife had the same problem on her artificier and she plays solely for the crafting.

ShadeVice
02-09-2007, 04:45 PM
Hrm... let us see how gamebreaking is actually applicable:

1. This individual can no longer proceed as a crafter period until the bug is fixed.

2. We were told that crafters would not be required to adventure, and adventurers would not be required to craft.

So given that I would consider it gamebreaking for him as he cannot proceed to play this character as he was told he could to raise the sphere he was told he could raise independent of all other spheres. But then that is just me, and I do know how that is as until last night my wife had the same problem on her artificier and she plays solely for the crafting.

Both of your examples are mere parts of the game...gamebreaking would mean its simply broken as in unplayable at all not just 1 thing.

Nice attempt at arguing tho.

jonyak
02-09-2007, 04:54 PM
Gamebreaking:

a bug in came causes all the files in you vanguard folder to become corrupt, while at the same time useing the cd tray to eat the dvd in the drive, probably vanguard because you forgot to take it out and vanguard is the only game you have played lately.

then your game is indeed broken.

Tashan
02-09-2007, 05:00 PM
Both of your examples are mere parts of the game...gamebreaking would mean its simply broken as in unplayable at all not just 1 thing.

Nice attempt at arguing tho.

Um it is unplayable... If they cannot improve in crafting (which is advertised as the fact that you can be a pure crafter and do nothing else) then the game is unplayable for them. If you can not progress past say level 5 in adventuring, no matter what you do, wouldn't you consider that gamebreaking as well? I mean there is nothing you can do period, no mobs you can fight, no quests ,etc... This is essentially what happened to him in the crafting sphere from what I read. I mean he cannot play his crafter essentially at this point.

rook818
02-09-2007, 05:05 PM
Ok...Ok...The OP addressed the "gamebreaking" part of his post...Can we please move on? He clearly has some legit issues.

Lets not kill the messenger based on how the message was delivered.

ShadeVice
02-09-2007, 05:24 PM
Um it is unplayable... If they cannot improve in crafting (which is advertised as the fact that you can be a pure crafter and do nothing else) then the game is unplayable for them. If you can not progress past say level 5 in adventuring, no matter what you do, wouldn't you consider that gamebreaking as well? I mean there is nothing you can do period, no mobs you can fight, no quests ,etc... This is essentially what happened to him in the crafting sphere from what I read. I mean he cannot play his crafter essentially at this point.

Perhaps *his* crafting is unplayable, not the entire populations thus the game cannot be broken. and crafting is not the entire game.

more appropriate words would be " crafting broken" Or my crafting is broken...not gamebreaking.

Riggin
02-09-2007, 05:40 PM
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/09/05 about sums it up....

-Riggin