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Old 10-09-2007, 11:23 AM   #1
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Heyas, pretty new to crafting been snooping around for tips etc, and wanted to ask you crafters:

I'm a leatherworker, was wondering how the ratio should be on these:

Refining:

Material processing tools
Material processing utilities
Material processing


Finishing:

Stitching
Stitching Utilities
Stitching Tools
 
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Old 10-11-2007, 07:06 AM   #2
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Lots of folks will tell you lots of things. Everyone seems to have their own thoughts on this. For me - I kept the best gear I could at all times and kept all my stats dead even. I was able to do moderates to 100% almost the entire time.

Here's a guide for what some people seem to think is the optimum setup: http://www.seradon.com/viewtopic.php?t=47

This didn't work for me, but who knows! Good luck!
 
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Old 10-18-2007, 04:09 AM   #3
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Attributes vs Skills

Jaradis on "Managing Your Stats"
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Old 08-02-2011, 05:29 AM   #4
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As the link to Jaradis is broken, in case a newbie checks this forum, it was like this:

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Jaradis new version:

http://www.vanguardcrafters.com/foru...ad.php?t=24972

Raw skills (no gear):

Level 1 - 7 Station, 7 Utilities, 10 Tools, Actions Gained: Tool 1 Action 2: Low Progress, Low Quality, 100AP
Level 2 - 16 Station, 16 Utilities, 16 Tools, Actions Gained:
Level 3 - 30 Station, 21 Utilities, 21 Tools, Actions Gained: 30 - Station 1 Action 2: High Progress, 100AP
Level 4 - 31 Station, 33 Utilities, 32 Tools, Actions Gained:
Level 5 - 35 Station, 50 Utilities, 35 Tools, Actions Gained:
Level 6 - 42 Station, 60 Utilities, 42 Tools, Actions Gained:
Level 7 - 49 Station, 70 Utilities, 49 Tools, Actions Gained: 70 - Utility 1 Action 3: Very High Progress, 125AP
Level 8 - 56 Station, 80 Utilities, 56 Tools, Actions Gained: 50 - Tool 1 Action 3: Moderate Progress, Low Quality, 125AP
Level 9 - 63 Station, 90 Utilities, 63 Tools, Actions Gained:
Level 10 - 70 Station, 100 Utilities, 70 Tools, Actions Gained:
Level 11 - 77 Station, 110 Utilities, 77 Tools, Actions Gained: 110 - Utility 1 Action 4: Moderate Progress, Very Low Quality, 100AP
Level 12 - 80 Station, 120 Utilities, 88 Tools, Actions Gained: 80 - Station 1 Action 3: Low Progress, 50AP
Level 13 - 80 Station, 125 Utilities, 107 Tools, Actions Gained: 125 - Utility Complication Remedy Set 2
Level 14 - 80 Station, 131 Utilities, 125 Tools, Actions Gained: 120 - Tool 1 Action 4: Low Progress, Moderate Quality, 125AP, 125 - Tool Complication Remedy Set 2
Level 15 - 85 Station, 150 Utilities, 125 Tools, Actions Gained:

Note: Up till level 15 or so you will have a hard time getting skills placed before you level again. You can just let them go up on their own and once you hit 15+ start paying closer attention.

Level 16 - 94 Station, 160 Utilities, 130 Tools, Actions Gained: 160 - Utility 1 Action 5: High Progress, Low Quality, 3x utility item, 150AP
Level 17 - 102 Station, 160 Utilities, 146 Tools, Actions Gained:
Level 18 - 102 Station, 160 Utilities, 170 Tools, Actions Gained: 170 - Tool 1 Action 5: High Progress, Low Quality, 150AP
Level 19 - 125 Station, 160 Utilities, 171 Tools, Actions Gained: 125 - Station Complication Remedy Set 2
Level 20 - 130 Station, 160 Utilities, 190 Tools, Actions Gained: 130 - Station 1 Action 4: Very High Progress, 125AP
Level 21 - 130 Station, 164 Utilities, 210 Tools, Actions Gained:
Level 22 - 130 Station, 178 Utilities, 220 Tools, Actions Gained:
Level 23 - 130 Station, 192 Utilities, 230 Tools, Actions Gained: 230 - Tool 1 Action 6: Low Progress, High Quality, 150AP
Level 24 - 130 Station, 206 Utilities, 240 Tools, Actions Gained:
Level 25 - 130 Station, 220 Utilities, 250 Tools, Actions Gained: 250 - Tool Complication Remedy Set 3
Level 26 - 130 Station, 244 Utilities, 250 Tools, Actions Gained: 240 - Utility 1 Action 6: High Quality, Low Progress, 3x utility item, 150AP
Level 27 - 130 Station, 250 Utilities, 268 Tools, Actions Gained: 250 - Utility Complication Remedy Set 3
Level 28 - 152 Station, 250 Utilities, 270 Tools, Actions Gained: 270 - Tool 2 Action 3: High Progress, Low Quality Loss, 50AP
Level 29 - 176 Station, 250 Utilities, 270 Tools, Actions Gained:
Level 30 - 200 Station, 250 Utilities, 270 Tools, Actions Gained: 180 - Station 1 Action 5: Low Progress, Very Low Quality, 75AP; 190 - Finisher: "Quality Loss: Low" 50AP
Level 31 - 224 Station, 250 Utilities, 270 Tools, Actions Gained:
Level 32 - 248 Station, 250 Utilities, 270 Tools, Actions Gained:
Level 33 - 272 Station, 250 Utilities, 270 Tools, Actions Gained: 250 - Station 1 Action 6: Moderate Progress, Moderate Quality, 150AP
Level 34 - 290 Station, 256 Utilities, 270 Tools, Actions Gained: 290 - Finisher: "Quality Bonus: Low" 150AP
Level 35 - 290 Station, 280 Utilities, 270 Tools, Actions Gained:
Level 36 - 290 Station, 304 Utilities, 270 Tools, Actions Gained:
Level 37 - 290 Station, 328 Utilities, 270 Tools, Actions Gained:
Level 38 - 290 Station, 352 Utilities, 270 Tools, Actions Gained:
Level 39 - 290 Station, 376 Utilities, 270 Tools, Actions Gained: 375 - Utility Complication Remedy Set 4 - Quality
Level 40 - 310 Station, 380 Utilities, 270 Tools, Actions Gained: 380 - Utility 2 Action 3: High Progress, 100AP
Level 41 - 334 Station, 380 Utilities, 270 Tools, Actions Gained:
Level 42 - 358 Station, 380 Utilities, 270 Tools, Actions Gained:
Level 43 - 376 Station, 386 Utilities, 270 Tools, Actions Gained: 375 - Station Complication Remedy Set 4 - Progress
Level 44 - 376 Station, 410 Utilities, 270 Tools, Actions Gained: 410 - Utility 2 Action 4: Very High Progress, 125AP
Level 45 - 400 Station, 410 Utilities, 270 Tools, Actions Gained: 390 - Finisher: "Quality Bonus: Moderate" 175AP
Level 46 - 420 Station, 410 Utilities, 274 Tools, Actions Gained:
Level 47 - 440 Station, 410 Utilities, 278 Tools, Actions Gained: 440 - Station 2 Action 3: Moderate Progress, Very Low Quality, 100AP
Level 48 - 460 Station, 410 Utilities, 282 Tools, Actions Gained: 460 - Station 2 Action 4: Very High Progress, Low Quality Loss, 75AP
Level 49 - 480 Station, 410 Utilities, 286 Tools, Actions Gained: 480 - Station 2 Action 5: Very High Progress, Moderate Quality Loss, 50AP
Level 50 - 500 Station, 410 Utilities, 290 Tools, Actions Gained: 500 - Station 2 Action 6: Very High Progress, 125AP, 500 - Finisher: "Quality Bonus: High" 200AP


Then use gear to bring them all over level x10 or more. So you will need more +station gear early on, then shifting to +tool gear later on.

There are probably other ways you can move around your skills each level to get another ability here and there, but doing that will require you to make massive changes in gear. I know some will suggest going with a certain set up one level, then radically reducing points in one to boost another. While that might gain you an action a level or two quicker, it will require you to get possibly an entire new set of gear. My method slowly moves you along in the right direction so that you can build your gear as you go.

Unless you can get large amounts of blue/yellow crafting gear of all types and levels as you progress (from guild or friends) I'd highly recommend not doing those massive adjustments, and just sticking to a gradual increase so that you can get by with the gear you will earn as you progress.

Ahgram/New Targonor Guild Choices:

Because of the high +Tool needs for this build, I recommend going with New Targonor Trading Company and Merchant's Guild for your main two choices. Do each of the guild's first and second quests for the extra xp and jewelry, but do the NT Trading Co and Merchant Guilds as your final one in each city then stick to them for the final +25 Tool rings they offer. You'll have to do a bit of faction for each after joining and leaving the other two guilds, but you'll earn lots of xp and a good set of jewelry which you can use to quickly balance out holes in your gear as you level.


Quote:
OLD VERSION

http://www.vanguardcrafters.com/foru...ad.php?t=24575

By Jaradis

================================================== ================================================== ===============================================
Level 1 - 7 Station, 7 Utilities, 10 Tools, Actions Gained: Tool 1 Action 2: Low Progress, Low Quality, 100AP
Level 2 - 16 Station, 16 Utilities, 16 Tools, Actions Gained:
Level 3 - 30 Station, 21 Utilities, 21 Tools, Actions Gained: 30 - Station 1 Action 2: High Progress, 100AP
Level 4 - 31 Station, 33 Utilities, 32 Tools, Actions Gained: 30 - Tool 1 Action 3: Moderate Progress, Low Quality, 125AP
Level 5 - 35 Station, 50 Utilities, 35 Tools, Actions Gained:
Level 6 - 42 Station, 60 Utilities, 42 Tools, Actions Gained:
Level 7 - 49 Station, 70 Utilities, 49 Tools, Actions Gained: 70 - Utility 1 Action 3: Very High Progress, 125AP
Level 8 - 56 Station, 80 Utilities, 56 Tools, Actions Gained:
Level 9 - 63 Station, 90 Utilities, 63 Tools, Actions Gained:
Level 10 - 70 Station, 100 Utilities, 70 Tools, Actions Gained:
Level 11 - 77 Station, 110 Utilities, 77 Tools, Actions Gained: 110 - Utility 1 Action 4: Moderate Progress, Very Low Quality, 100AP
Level 12 - 80 Station, 120 Utilities, 88 Tools, Actions Gained: 80 - Station 1 Action 3: Low Progress, 50AP
Level 13 - 80 Station, 125 Utilities, 107 Tools, Actions Gained: 125 - Utility Complication Remedy Set 2
Level 14 - 80 Station, 131 Utilities, 125 Tools, Actions Gained: 120 - Tool 1 Action 4: Low Progress, Moderate Quality, 125AP, 125 - Tool Complication Remedy Set 2
Level 15 - 80 Station, 150 Utilities, 130 Tools, Actions Gained:
Level 16 - 80 Station, 160 Utilities, 144 Tools, Actions Gained: 160 - Utility 1 Action 5: High Progress, Low Quality, 3x utility item, 150AP
Level 17 - 80 Station, 160 Utilities, 168 Tools, Actions Gained:
Level 18 - 102 Station, 160 Utilities, 170 Tools, Actions Gained: 170 - Tool 1 Action 5: High Progress, Low Quality, 150AP
Level 19 - 125 Station, 160 Utilities, 171 Tools, Actions Gained: 125 - Station Complication Remedy Set 2
Level 20 - 130 Station, 160 Utilities, 190 Tools, Actions Gained: 130 - Station 1 Action 4: Very High Progress, 125AP
Level 21 - 130 Station, 164 Utilities, 210 Tools, Actions Gained:
Level 22 - 130 Station, 178 Utilities, 220 Tools, Actions Gained:
Level 23 - 130 Station, 192 Utilities, 230 Tools, Actions Gained: 230 - Tool 1 Action 6: Low Progress, High Quality, 150AP
Level 24 - 130 Station, 206 Utilities, 240 Tools, Actions Gained:
Level 25 - 130 Station, 220 Utilities, 250 Tools, Actions Gained: 250 - Tool Complication Remedy Set 3
Level 26 - 130 Station, 244 Utilities, 250 Tools, Actions Gained:
Level 27 - 130 Station, 250 Utilities, 268 Tools, Actions Gained: 250 - Utility Complication Remedy Set 3
Level 28 - 152 Station, 250 Utilities, 270 Tools, Actions Gained: 270 - Tool 2 Action 3: High Progress, Low Quality Loss, 50AP
Level 29 - 176 Station, 250 Utilities, 270 Tools, Actions Gained:
Level 30 - 200 Station, 250 Utilities, 270 Tools, Actions Gained: 180 - Station 1 Action 5: Low Progress, Very Low Quality, 75AP; 190 - Finisher: "Quality Loss: Low" 50AP
Level 31 - 224 Station, 250 Utilities, 270 Tools, Actions Gained:
Level 32 - 248 Station, 250 Utilities, 270 Tools, Actions Gained:
Level 33 - 272 Station, 250 Utilities, 270 Tools, Actions Gained: 250 - Station 1 Action 6: Moderate Progress, Moderate Quality, 150AP
Level 34 - 290 Station, 256 Utilities, 270 Tools, Actions Gained: 290 - Finisher: "Quality Bonus: Low" 150AP
Level 35 - 290 Station, 280 Utilities, 270 Tools, Actions Gained:
Level 36 - 290 Station, 304 Utilities, 270 Tools, Actions Gained:
Level 37 - 290 Station, 328 Utilities, 270 Tools, Actions Gained:
Level 38 - 290 Station, 352 Utilities, 270 Tools, Actions Gained:
Level 39 - 290 Station, 376 Utilities, 270 Tools, Actions Gained: 375 - Utility Complication Remedy Set 4 - Quality
Level 40 - 310 Station, 380 Utilities, 270 Tools, Actions Gained: 380 - Utility 2 Action 3: High Progress, 100AP
Level 41 - 334 Station, 380 Utilities, 270 Tools, Actions Gained:
Level 42 - 358 Station, 380 Utilities, 270 Tools, Actions Gained:
Level 43 - 375 Station, 387 Utilities, 270 Tools, Actions Gained: 375 - Station Complication Remedy Set 4 - Progress
Level 44 - 376 Station, 410 Utilities, 270 Tools, Actions Gained: 410 - Utility 2 Action 4: Very High Progress, 125AP
Level 45 - 400 Station, 410 Utilities, 270 Tools, Actions Gained: 390 - Finisher: "Quality Bonus: Moderate" 175AP
Level 46 - 424 Station, 410 Utilities, 270 Tools, Actions Gained:
Level 47 - 448 Station, 410 Utilities, 270 Tools, Actions Gained: 440 - Station 2 Action 3: Moderate Progress, Very Low Quality, 100AP
Level 48 - 472 Station, 410 Utilities, 270 Tools, Actions Gained: 460 - Station 2 Action 4: Very High Progress, Low Quality Loss, 75AP
Level 49 - 496 Station, 410 Utilities, 270 Tools, Actions Gained: 480 - Station 2 Action 5: Very High Progress, Moderate Quality Loss, 50AP
Level 50 - 500 Station, 410 Utilities, 290 Tools, Actions Gained: 500 - Station 2 Action 6: Very High Progress, 125AP, 500 - Finisher: "Quality Bonus: High" 200AP
================================================== ================================================== ===============================================

1. What is the reason behind this particular approach?

To get the most beneficial new actions as fast as possible. They by far are the most effective means to making your life easier.

2. Why the priority change for example?

From Tools to Station? Because early on the tools actions you gain are far more valueable to your success than the station actions are, where as later on you have all the really good tool actions by 270 tools, and the station actions you need by T5 (where there are 2 station steps) are very high and very helpful.

3. Does it matter if you're an Armorsmith or a Weaponsmith?

No. Doesn't matter what class you are at all. It's the same for everyone.

4. What's the stat breakdown that accompanies this?

Stats are completely independant of this.

5. If you meet the target of 10xlevel per skill and can upgrade something, do you focus on skill or stat improvements?

Both. They both matter. Which ones you go with depend on what your skills are actually at and what you need to increase. If you are getting "Good" "Great" "Excellant" actions on one type, and "Poor" "Fair" on another, then boost that lower one with any extra points you have.

Also:

Quote:
Actions from Skill:

-------------------------------------------------------------------
Station Skills
1 - Station 1 Action 1: Moderate Progress, 75AP
30 - Station 1 Action 2: High Progress, 100AP
80 - Station 1 Action 3: Low Progress, 50AP
125 - Station Complication Remedy Set 2
130 - Station 1 Action 4: Very High Progress, 125AP
180 - Station 1 Action 5: Low Progress, Very Low Quality, 75AP
190 - Finisher: "Quality Loss: Low" 50AP
250 - Station 1 Action 6: Moderate Progress, Moderate Quality, 150AP
290 - Finisher: "Quality Bonus: Low" 150AP
375 - Station Complication Remedy Set 4 - Progress
390 - Finisher: "Quality Bonus: Moderate" 175AP
440 - Station 2 Action 3: Moderate Progress, Very Low Quality, 100AP
460 - Station 2 Action 4: Very High Progress, Low Quality Penalty, 75AP
500 - Station 2 Action 5: Very High Progress, 125AP
500 - Finisher: "Quality Bonus: Very High" 200AP

Utility Skills
1 - Utility 1 Action 1: Moderate Progress, 75AP
1 - Utility 1 Action 2: High Quality, 100AP
70 - Utility 1 Action 3: Very High Progress, 125AP
110 - Utility 1 Action 4: Moderate Progress, Very Low Quality, 100AP
125 - Utility Complication Remedy Set 2
160 - Utility 1 Action 5: High Progress, Low Quality, 3x utility item, 150AP
240 - Utility 1 Action 6: Very High Progress, Moderate Quality, 200AP
250 - Utility Complication Remedy Set 3
300 - Blue Dye
350 - Green Dye
375 - Utility Complication Remedy Set 4 - Quality
380 - Utility 2 Action 3: High Progress, 100AP
410 - Utility 2 Action 4: Very High Progress, 125AP
450 - Purple Dye
450 - Utility 2 Action 5: High Progress, Low Quality, 150AP


Tool Skills
1 - Tool 1 Action 1: Moderate Progress, 75AP
10 - Tool 1 Action 2: Low Progress, Low Quality, 100AP
30 - Tool 1 Action 3: Moderate Progress, Low Quality, 125AP
120 - Tool 1 Action 4: Low Progress, Moderate Quality, 125AP
125 - Tool Complication Remedy Set 2
170 - Tool 1 Action 5: High Progress, Low Quality, 150AP
230 - Tool 1 Action 6: Low Progress, High Quality, 150AP
250 - Tool Complication Remedy Set 3
270 - Tool 2 Action 3: High Progress, Low Quality Penalty, 50AP
370 - Tool 2 Action 4: Low Progress, High Quality, 150AP
375 - Tool Complication Remedy Set 4 - Progress
430 - Tool 2 Action 5: Low Progress, 50AP
-------------------------------------------------------------------


Additional actions:
-------------------------------------------------------------------
T3 Recipes - Tools 2 Action 1: Moderate Progress, 75AP
T4 Recipes - Utilities 2 Action 1: Moderate Progress, 75AP
T5 Recipes - Station 2 Action 1: Moderate Progress, 75AP
-------------------------------------------------------------------

Mention that all this stuff was done before the crafter levels have been upped to 55 ... now we get additional skillpoints. I myself am not sure yet how to distribute those myself, though.
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