[Loampounder]

Instead of PM's, the volcano is the proper place to talk about how aweful I am.

Evidently, people (even moderators) can poke at me, but I cannot comment on that poke. It seems people can dish it out but are too sensitive to hear their own words.

[AsheMan]

Seriously, what the ****? Did I miss something? Loam is in the volcano and for what?

Since when have swear words been filtered in the Volcano? ****!

[Loampounder]

I have no explanation. I was posting fine until, as a response to Fozzik's comment about Bossner Superfan and I, I said "Superfans will be superfans". If there is a clearer reason why I can only post with the in the lavapit, please let me know.

But, hey, there must be some built-up rage about me somewhere. Come on, guys, get it out of your system.

[AsheMan]

This is just fuking ridiculous. I've read every single goddamn post on this site and aside from being a little cynical (I even call you on that in some thread), you have done absolutely nothing to warrant being thrown into the Volcano.

MMORPG flipped his fuking lid at one point. I have no idea what the fuk that forum vendetta shit was about. Then Vordox flipped out. Anyone with an objective view can read your comments and then see those two completely go off the deep end for no apparent reason other than you having a differing, pessimistic opinion.

Now it seems that Fozzik has flipped his lid. Like I said in PM, what the fuk is in the GW2 water to make these people go crazy?

I even PM'ed Fozzik this morning and told him that he, Vordox, and MMO were all overreacting (after he gave the second "ban" threat). And now this afternoon you are in the Volcano?

This is an injustice.

[Loampounder]

Originally Posted by AsheMan

MMORPG flipped his fuking lid at one point. I have no idea what the fuk that forum vendetta shit was about.

I honestly have no idea what mmorrpgeee was talking about. We both were involved in posts on the SOE vanguard form earlier this year but I do not remember any conflict at all.

As for the rest, I don't deny that people can see me as an asshat. The title is entirely possible, but that does not explain the overreaction to common forum comments. It certainly does not merit banning. The only thing I can think of is that some posters got tired of hearing someone downplay their passion. I call it "the infatuation".

Remember in grade school, you had a buddy you could tease and he would tease right back? Then one day you teased him about a certain girl and he growled at you knocked a book over your head and told you to leave her alone? Yeah, it's like that.

[perfect]

Originally Posted by Loampounder

...Remember in grade school, you had a buddy you could tease and he would tease right back? Then one day you teased him about a certain girl and he growled at you knocked a book over your head and told you to leave her alone? Yeah, it's like that.

Call me silly, but inferring that people are acting like they are in grade school might be the exact reason for your current state. With every post.

<shrug> What do YOU think?

[Loampounder]

Originally Posted by perfect

Call me silly, but inferring that people are acting like they are in grade school might be the exact reason for your current state. With every post.

<shrug> What do YOU think?

The analogy delt with fifth-graders. Are you saying that our fellow posters have the emotional maturity of fifth-graders?

[dabble]

Originally Posted by AsheMan

This is an injustice.

Yep, I followed all of the threads and didn't see anything that warrants this. In fact it seemed to me that people were getting the wrong end of the stick as far as Loam was concerned. There was certainly some over analysing of comments that produced some pretty paranoid results.

I think this explains things perfectly http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J8lzqZ929g

[mmorpeegee]

You guys really don't see it eh.

It's one thing being cynical all the time or play devil's advocate, but it's another thing when he starts actually criticising and even insulting people in his cowardly bitchy pathetic half assed way. I wouldn't even have minded as much if me or anyone else had been shooting their mouths off with comments that you would get on other forums, like THIS GAME IS GOING TO RULE! Or this game is going to wipe the floor with WoW, or this game is going to do this and that. But nobody has ever said anything like that. If you look at my posts he used as ammo, it was purely pontification and ponderings. When I talked about how it might have a more chilled atmosphere, I even put it as a question with a question mark at the end... I'm contemplating something, and he took it as an opportunity to throw it in my face and call me stupid and bunch of other things, and as far as I'm concerned, it's not based on what I said, but purely because he is prick.

He has always been a bit of a prick ever since I've seen him on this forum, but at least he used to kind of sculk around in the background making snipey grumpy general remarks. But recently he seems to have switched gears and become more confrontational with it.

I wouldn't call what I said flipping my lid, more calling him out on his douchebaggery. Like I said if I had made some borderline stupid comments then 'maybe' I would have gone along with it, but there's nothing wrong with what I said and he was desperate to criticise me anyway, so he can go **** himself. On a forum where EVERYONE else sees each other as equals, and manages to behave civilly by basically saying, "Well I disagree because I see it this way", he is the only one who says, "Well I disagree because you guys are this this and this."

As for you sticking up for him, and him not doing anything wrong, I'll show you exactly where I think he crossed the line.

Originally Posted by Loampounder

So many people around here have their rose-coloured glasses on too rightly.

That's a criticism. But I can handle that, and I still replied trying to explain it my way.

Originally Posted by Loampounder

some people have a schoolyard crush on GW2

Criticism, but again, whatever (**** him).

Originally Posted by Loampounder

talk of it being the second coming is getting ridiculous.

Criticism, again, whatever, but the second coming thing is an unfair judgement too. But still I didn't fight back I just asked him to justify it.

Originally Posted by Loampounder

My response in this thread began with voodoo's idea that this game will chill out the gaming community. I see that as the "game cures cancer" viewpoint.

Ditto above.

Originally Posted by Loampounder

The idea that one game is so different that it will change the nature of the gaming community IS a messianic belief.

Another criticism. And again he is twisting words / making shit up.

Originally Posted by Loampounder

talking about this game as changing community behavior is as stupid as other people talking about other games as "wow-killers".

I'm sensitive to the word stupid. But to me that's less criticism, more insulting now. But I STILL didn't really fight back, I just tried to make him take a another look at my post which he seems to have spun in his own mind to be something completely different. But I STILL tried to explain my point of view. Although I did say I think he is fighting against what I was saying rather than trying to understand it (a mild criticism).

Originally Posted by Loampounder

No, you had stars in your eyes and was floating on a cloud that began with more players than WoW and ended with smelling the roses. I have seen love-struck teenagers with more sense than that post had.

Full on insult, and **** you Loampounder. I can take criticism from someone I respect, especially if I think it's justified, but you are a ****ing worm. On some big mainstream gaming website, there are always people like you who are best to be avoided, but then I don't put much effort in to posts on places like that anyway. But when all I ever do is make decent posts and never criticise anyone else, and you come at me with shit like that, really, **** you. I have less sense than a teenager, but you are the one tearing apart peoples comments about a game you've never even played. Gotcha, and again, **** you.

Originally Posted by Fozzik

mmorpeegee, I'd appreciate it if you would use PMs if you want to get personal. I have no idea what the issues in question might be between you and Loam, and I don't want to know. Keep it off the boards.

And gee thanks a lot to you too Fozzik. You sit back letting him bitch away at people for at least a month, being his poison worm self, trying to sabotage every single discussion about the one decent game on the horizon, hoping to bring people down, for NO good reason, and when someone finally stands up to it you basically tell them to gtfo and you don't wanna know. And the asshole causing the trouble, you gently 'invite' to take a break from this section for a while, treating him with the most delicate of baby gloves.

After all these years of me making thoughtful posts that have never been anything other than gentle, and civil, and respectful, and making dozens of new threads in "other games" section, trying to keep the forum lively and sharing any info I find, all while the poison maggot stops by once a day to bitch at people and criticise anything he can get his hands on. Life is too short for that crap, you deserve each other.

[AsheMan]

You started spouting off about arguments and revenge from other forums. It seemed like a tinfoil hat moment. It was uncomfortable to be reading and I'm sure that's why Fozzik asked for it to go to PMs. I don't see that as being disrespectful.

It seems to me that Loam has been more of a devil's advocate or cynical observer. He's called people out when they seem to let emotion overtake reason. He's critical of GW2 and the things he hears about it He's smart to be. We've all been burned numerous times with MMOs.

Everyone just seems to be taking things way too personally and getting far too upset. It's a video game forum for crying out loud. We're arguing about video games. I frequent several forums and the banter we share here is typically more mild than anywhere else, even Loam's comments. I don't quite understand how a few people have gotten so upset.

Vordox, remember last month when you told a guy he was playing his character wrong and he went all ape shit on you? That's what you and MMO did to Loam. You guys were doing your argument back and forth, thread is humming along, and then BAM! It's like you guys just exploded.

[Fozzik]

@mmorpeegee -
Ashe is right. I had no problem with you coming back at Loam with both barrels, he deserved it. What I didn't want was you guys bringing up some old argument from years ago and personal problems between the two of you on the open boards. It seemed like you were dredging up nastiness between you and Loam from a long time ago (I may have gotten the wrong impression), and I just thought that type of personal beef would be best handled in private rather than going off-topic in the thread for pages and pages that only you and Loam would understand.

@ Ashe, Loam, dabble -
Sorry you don't see things the same way I do (Ashe, I explained extensively in my response to your PM)...but I'm the forum admin. I make the determination when someone is trolling, and I don't give a rat's ass whether it's too subtle and over too long a period of time for some people to catch on to what he's doing.

I know what he's doing, and I'm in charge. I asked him repeatedly to stop, as politely as I could, and he kept needling. He was doing it on purpose, to push buttons and see just what he could get away with, and that's a shitty way to be a member of a message board.

If he was legitimately trying to have civilized discussion, rather than trying to be clever and cute, he would have been on his best, most polite behavior after he realized that he was at the center of several forum arguments and had been given warnings by the staff. Instead of doing what I asked, and instead of being polite and civil, he continued to post in the GW2 forums, and continued to make smarmy little snide comments.

There's basically nobody left on the boards now, because you shit all over every discussion with your trumped-up, ignorant cynicism, Loam...so good job on that. You can delude yourself into believing that everyone else is crazy, and you're the only normal one...but we know better. Enjoy your stay in the volcano. If these boards ever get back to being a community again, you won't have the opportunity to ruin it.

[Loampounder]

Originally Posted by mmorpeegee

I'm sensitive to the word stupid. But to me that's less criticism, more insulting now. But I STILL didn't really fight back, I just tried to make him take a another look at my post which he seems to have spun in his own mind to be something completely different. But I STILL tried to explain my point of view. Although I did say I think he is fighting against what I was saying rather than trying to understand it (a mild criticism).

Why would you be sensitive about the word "stupid"? If you look at the word in context, it clearly is not about a person but about an action "talking about...". I don't know how clearer a non-insult can be. I notice that you cut out the first part of that sentence:

"If the game fits what you have been searching for or will be a boon for people of your type, that's great and you should describe the game that way, but talking about this game as changing community behavior is as stupid as other people talking about other games as "wow-killers"."

Clearly, "stupid" is not directed at a person. Also, I don't know why you take everything personally because that quote was directed at something Fozzik said. Not only was "stupid" used to describe an idea but it was not even in reference to a quote from you.

Originally Posted by mmorpeegee

When I talked about how it might have a more chilled atmosphere, I even put it as a question with a question mark at the end... I'm contemplating something, and he took it as an opportunity to throw it in my face and call me stupid and bunch of other things, and as far as I'm concerned, it's not based on what I said, but purely because he is prick.

It's hilarious that you generalize my use of terms like stupid (that clearly reference an idea, not a person) that you youself state that you are oversensitive about but excuse your discussion point with ... but it's ... "a question with a question mark at the end". Your post specifically included the idea that GW2 could get more players than WoW, change the pace of games, and demonstrate a pressure-free environment. You KNOW you were talking about GW2 being special because it would change the gaming world in that way. Your attempts to back away from that concept only proved that you agree with me that the concept is stupid. Backing away why trying to defend your words with triviality like pointing to a question mark made you feel frustrated and led to your explosion.

Originally Posted by mmorpeegee

Full on insult, and **** you Loampounder. I can take criticism from someone I respect, especially if I think it's justified, but you are a ****ing worm. On some big mainstream gaming website, there are always people like you who are best to be avoided, but then I don't put much effort in to posts on places like that anyway. But when all I ever do is make decent posts and never criticise anyone else, and you come at me with shit like that, really, **** you. I have less sense than a teenager, but you are the one tearing apart peoples comments about a game you've never even played. Gotcha, and again, **** you.

If being described as a "love-struck teenager" is a full on insult, then you have lived a very sheltered life and should not be participating in gaming forums. Jumping from "love-struck teenager" to "a total moron" was totally unprovoked and unwarranted, but then you followed that up with even more hostility. Someone broke and was abusive, and it was not me.

Try to paint me as a boogie man all you want, but you need to realize that the boogie man is nothing but a shadow that people use as an excuse. People have described me as a devil's advocate, but I see it as a discussion on a discussion board. I have been very clear was to what I was discussing and why, but certain people don't want to listen to a logical discussion. From that "smell the roses" thread:

Originally Posted by Loampounder

If the game fits what you have been searching for or will be a boon for people of your type, that's great and you should describe the game that way, but talking about this game as changing community behavior is as stupid as other people talking about other games as "wow-killers".

How much clearer could that get? I said this multiple times on that thread as we calmly discussed details. Yet you exploded into insult mode. Vordox got insulting and then exploded. The posts were on topic for those threads, but it seems it got to a point that you and Vordox could not handle the discussion using civil words. Rather than turn away, you decided to explode. It was not me; it was you. Vordox even got abusive and then gave me an ultimatum that I be the one to stop discussing rather than he just move on.

If people want to stress civility on these boards, then posters need to be responsible when they feel they cannot respond civilly any more. Rather than pointing out perceived insults when someone disagrees with your ideas, try to understand that YOU exploded when you could not express yourself in anything other than expletives or direct personal attacks. The people who get upset demand that I let it drop, but they themselves refuse to let it drop. That is very hypocritical and contrary to the idea that I am the one being the asshat.

Finally, after he tells me to "cool it", Fozzik baited me by name by defining a superfan as people who yell at me, and then bans me when I use his own term superfan. He claims that I am instigating but then uses my name in a back-handed attack. Evidently, Loampounder is the only person who has to be responsible.

[Loampounder]

Originally Posted by Fozzik

If he was legitimately trying to have civilized discussion, rather than trying to be clever and cute, he would have been on his best, most polite behavior after he realized that he was at the center of several forum arguments and had been given warnings by the staff. Instead of doing what I asked, and instead of being polite and civil, he continued to post in the GW2 forums, and continued to make smarmy little snide comments.

Yes, I continued posting in the GW2 forum, but it was all relevant discussion points without attacking the game. Best, polite behavior? In the GW2 forum I was. I even called ArenaNet "wise" when discussing the timing of pre-release events.

In the 38S discussion, I called out what i thought to be a mischaractization. Other posters agreed with me, but someone people were too blinded by their dislike of me. You mentioned "warnings by the staff" when it fact it was just you. Perfect interpreted a point from the ArenaNet tweet in even more negative a manner than I, but you were to blinded to realize that.

I was always civil. Have I even directly attacked anyone or used abusive language? Even when multiple people attacked me, I was civil and clear in my responses.

You can delude yourself into believing that everyone else is crazy, and you're the only normal one...but we know better.

No, I think there are many normal ones on this forum. There is Asheman, dabble, perfect, and more posters who pop in once every few months. There are a few people who have exploded, and I tend to point to their explosions as proof of not being the "normal" ones. For some reason, you disregard the rest of us, and label me as the only crazy one. Evidently, I am responsible for all of SV's problems also:

There's basically nobody left on the boards now, because you shit all over every discussion with your trumped-up, ignorant cynicism, Loam...so good job on that.

Since I was banned, there have been no new posts. My fault? No.

Other posters express their confusion on your stance and have not posted in your discussions since, but it's all my fault? No.

Basically nobody left? Half the people are expressing support for my participation and even voodoo has come back to post. You can blame the meltdown of SV over the past year on me, but that's only excuses you make up to deal with your personal frustrations. Perhaps when GW2 is released, you will feel more relaxed.

[Fozzik]

I feel quite relaxed now, thanks.

[dabble]

Well, it's all a great shame. I think it could be and definitley should be fixed. It seems to me that people didn't address their grievances early enough and let things bottle up perhaps? That and the added problem that text chat never translates that well without the visual or audible markers that define true intention. It's a nice bunch here at Silky, a rag-tag fugitive fleet on a lonely quest. Lets sort it out.

[mmorpeegee]

Originally Posted by AsheMan

It's a video game forum for crying out loud. We're arguing about video games.

It doesn't matter what the subject matter is, it's clear he wants to talk down to people and act like an asshole, and I don't take that from anyone for any reason. Especially when he does to me after me doing nothing wrong, and only trying to contribute to discussions here.

Originally Posted by Fozzik

@mmorpeegee -
Ashe is right. I had no problem with you coming back at Loam with both barrels, he deserved it. What I didn't want was you guys bringing up some old argument from years ago and personal problems between the two of you on the open boards. It seemed like you were dredging up nastiness between you and Loam from a long time ago (I may have gotten the wrong impression), and I just thought that type of personal beef would be best handled in private rather than going off-topic in the thread for pages and pages that only you and Loam would understand.

Fyi, it was from only a month or two ago, and it was due to the exact same behaviour on the VG forum. He has gone from being generally cynical to being confrontational and actually talking down to people. Not sure what personal crisis caused this but I don't care, we all have problems.

Originally Posted by Fozzik

I know what he's doing, and I'm in charge. I asked him repeatedly to stop, as politely as I could, and he kept needling. He was doing it on purpose, to push buttons and see just what he could get away with, and that's a shitty way to be a member of a message board.

You saw it, I saw it, the only people who didn't see are those who are the same as him but not bold enough to behave the same way. It's like they want to get their trololol fix through Loam, and that's why they are defending him now. I always knew Ashe was like that, long before I even started posting here, I never knew dabble was the same, but whatever. You shouldn't have let Loam get away with it for so long imo, but I understand why you did. There aren't many people here so banning one of the few people who visits is hard to do, and you are a nice person by nature which makes acting with vengeance hard.

Originally Posted by Fozzik

There's basically nobody left on the boards now, because you shit all over every discussion with your trumped-up, ignorant cynicism, Loam...so good job on that. You can delude yourself into believing that everyone else is crazy, and you're the only normal one...but we know better. Enjoy your stay in the volcano. If these boards ever get back to being a community again, you won't have the opportunity to ruin it.

Exactly right.

If I want MMO info I can get it from FoH, that is far bigger, far livelier, and it's the source of most of the info that ends up here anyway. But it's also full of total assholes and stupid kids who just want to be cruel to whoever they can. To me, the whole point of coming here was to get a filtered version of that same info, and when I had to get that while being constantly sniped at by Asspounder, it made the whole thing pointless.

I also used to like some of the other people who posted here, but they seem to have all mysteriously disappeared recently too. I don't even know why that is but I can guess.

Originally Posted by Loampounder

Why would you be sensitive about the word "stupid"? If you look at the word in context, it clearly is not about a person but about an action "talking about...".

'Stupid is as stupid does'.

The interesting thing about you, is that you aren't even brave enough to be up front about your assholery. It's painfully clear you want to piss people off, but you can't even do it like a typical troll, you resort to doing it by making cowardly barely-disguised bitchy comments, and that makes you even more pathetic than someone who just comes straight out and calls someone a dumbass.

Originally Posted by Loampounder

Clearly, "stupid" is not directed at a person. Also, I don't know why you take everything personally because that quote was directed at something Fozzik said. Not only was "stupid" used to describe an idea but it was not even in reference to a quote from you.

I know full well that you were bitching at Fozzik too. But that only pisses me off even more, because he is the one 'expected' to act professionally and with a cool head and keep everything in order. You are doing the forum equivalent of showing your ass to a royal soldier. He can't fight back and you were exploiting that. But I can, which is why I was glad to take the opportunity to tell you to go f yourself. It's also why I quit and why I will never come back after this. I don't even want you reading posts I have put some effort in to making.

Originally Posted by Loampounder

It's hilarious that you generalize my use of terms like stupid (that clearly reference an idea, not a person) that you youself state that you are oversensitive about but excuse your discussion point with ... but it's ... "a question with a question mark at the end".

What's hilarious is that you think your pathetically disguised attempts at being an asshole were disguised well enough for you to defend them with these lame excuses. They weren't. You were being a dick, I know it, you know it, and now you get to live with the consequence of it - an empty forum.

Originally Posted by dabble

Well, it's all a great shame. I think it could be and definitley should be fixed. It seems to me that people didn't address their grievances early enough and let things bottle up perhaps? That and the added problem that text chat never translates that well without the visual or audible markers that define true intention. It's a nice bunch here at Silky, a rag-tag fugitive fleet on a lonely quest. Lets sort it out.

Nope, there is no sorting it out, and it wasn't about letting things bottle up. To me you simply behave as a decent person, or a dick. I always knew he was a dick but like I said, at least he operated on the down low, skulking about making back handed remarks in general. But when he started actually attacking me, it's time to go. I even gave him some opportunities to get out of it, but he just kept going.

It had a nice run, but the rag tag fleet is smaller and smaller and is now only about half a dozen people. And when one is a bad seed and others stand by him, then I don't want any part of it. I would literally be coming here only for Fozz and his buddy's occasionally discussions and that's just sad, like someone who reads peoples emails or something.

If I'm going to have to switch off the 'care' part of my brain, then I may as well do it at FoH.


p.s. I don't hate you Loam, I feel sorry for whatever makes you act like an ass and I hope you can turn it around some day.

[AsheMan]

Originally Posted by mmorpeegee

You saw it, I saw it, the only people who didn't see are those who are the same as him but not bold enough to behave the same way. It's like they want to get their trololol fix through Loam, and that's why they are defending him now. I always knew Ashe was like that, long before I even started posting here, I never knew dabble was the same, but whatever.

All I can say is, what the ****? I think my thousands of posts of solid discussions speak for themselves. What has happened here was blown way out of proportion and now you're just being mean to other people.

[mmorpeegee]

Ehh my bad, I shouldn't have included you to the same degree as Loam, I don't think you are a troll or too mean. I just seem to remember you being kinda 'harsh' to some people in the past about something or other, and sticking up for Loam just made it all seem like it fits.

As for everything else though, I can't agree with the out of proportion bit. I know I probably seem super stern or whatever, but it's only because I cared about having a nice site with a handful of good people to talk about stuff and share stuff, and one bad egg was so bound to screw that up. He surely knew that and he still 'went there'. And that sucks.

[dabble]

Originally Posted by mmorpeegee

I always knew Ashe was like that, long before I even started posting here, I never knew dabble was the same, but whatever.

A little harsh perhaps. I was just hoping you guys could shake hands and move on. I did try once to be an evil genius but I could never quite get the hang of the genius part so I ended up being a mildly annoying idiot which really wasn't what I was aiming for... I gave it up as a bad job.

[dabble]

Well... that all went well didn't it?.... /tumbleweed