[Vutar]

Already receiving first /tells touting gold selling sites....from spirite on thunderaxe

I petitioned..but of course nothing will be done...just like WoW.

Way to go Sigil....

[Oisin]

Wow (no pun) wtf. At least in FFXI the RMT know that they'll get perma-banned if they admit to selling stuff in game.

[GelatinousOwen]

I think Sigil has enough on its plate right now guys, if you used your brain you might have realized that.

[tzakiel]

How exactly was sigil supposed to stop that person from msging you before it happened? I'm not sure what the problem is here.

[Vutar]

Originally Posted by GelatinousOwen

I think Sigil has enough on its plate right now guys, if you used your brain you might have realized that.

If I had used my brain huh? Or I used my brain and know that if they don't crack down on it now..it will be out of control like WoW is soon enough.....

Thanks for the insult though. My guess is your one of the people selling

[Vutar]

Originally Posted by tzakiel

How exactly was sigil supposed to stop that person from msging you before it happened? I'm not sure what the problem is here.

Where exactly did I say they should have.....

[GelatinousOwen]

Gtfo vutar

[Isobel]

Originally Posted by Vutar

Where exactly did I say they should have.....

You petitioned, you came to the boards...what else do you want them to do? If they ban that person you'll never know it. You just won't get any more tells from that toon. My suggestion is petition every time you get a mail or tell from someone of that nature and then move on.

[Vutar]

Originally Posted by GelatinousOwen

Gtfo vutar

sweet...another constructive comment. Its a good thing you were here....

[Vutar]

Originally Posted by Isobel

You petitioned, you came to the boards...what else do you want them to do? If they ban that person you'll never know it. You just won't get any more tells from that toon. My suggestion is petition every time you get a mail or tell from someone of that nature and then move on.

They need to post the in game names of people banned for selling Gold. Make it as public as can be. Show the community that banning does happen for this.

[Isobel]

Originally Posted by Vutar

They need to post the in game names of people banned for selling Gold. Make it as public as can be. Show the community that banning does happen for this.

No, they really don't. I understand the desire for it but it really isn't a good idea. Telling people the in game names of RMT'rs seems like a good idea until somenew player makes a character with the same name as somone on the list. The new player is then tainted with the same reputation as the RMT'r. Also, as annoying as the /tell was...the sender didn't do anything against the EULA. He hasn't broken the rules until he actually sells something. Sadly that seems hard to prove since the only thing that could be tracked by Sigil/SOE the transfer of funds from one player to another, not the real money transfer of funds. I'm sure it would be easy to say something like "But i was just helping out a friends."...lame yes but not really something one can disprove.

[Vutar]

Originally Posted by Isobel

No, they really don't. I understand the desire for it but it really isn't a good idea. Telling people the in game names of RMT'rs seems like a good idea until somenew player makes a character with the same name as somone on the list. The new player is then tainted with the same reputation as the RMT'r. Also, as annoying as the /tell was...the sender didn't do anything against the EULA. He hasn't broken the rules until he actually sells something. Sadly that seems hard to prove since the only thing that could be tracked by Sigil/SOE the transfer of funds from one player to another, not the real money transfer of funds. I'm sure it would be easy to say something like "But i was just helping out a friends."...lame yes but not really something one can disprove.

1. They can ban anyone they like. Its their game and they don't need a reason to ban people.

And

2. This is not a court of law, and were it taken there, A Gold Seller or someone suing because they were banned would lose. Plain and simple. Though in reality it would never happen, civil law suits cost a ton of money.

[Halbe]

Originally Posted by Vutar

1. They can ban anyone they like. Its their game and they don't need a reason to ban people.

And

2. This is not a court of law, and were it taken there, A Gold Seller or someone suing because they were banned would lose. Plain and simple. Though in reality it would never happen, civil law suits cost a ton of money.

You should look up Sigil's stance on the issue.

For reference do a "McQuaid vs. The Gold Seller" search in google.

They are totally against it, and as this article/interview indicates, pretty outspoken about it.

What if they make this guys name known and ban him? What does that solve? He then logs in with a new name, and does the same thing.

[Isobel]

Originally Posted by Vutar

1. They can ban anyone they like. Its their game and they don't need a reason to ban people.

And

2. This is not a court of law, and were it taken there, A Gold Seller or someone suing because they were banned would lose. Plain and simple. Though in reality it would never happen, civil law suits cost a ton of money.

Number one is absolutely correct. Having said that...wouldnt' you prefer a game wherein there was a level of proof required before banning rather than just banning people based on accusation? I would.

As for number two...well, we won't know until that happens, will we?

[Mreynolds]

Ya know I understand that RMT is a sensitive issue to many. However posting names on sites and things of that nature wont help. Isobel is right. Some poor bastard who chooses that name later will be scarred. The best thing to do is report it and go about your killing. There really is nothing beyond that me and you can do. Now on the FFA PvP server I suppose you could corpse camp them into oblivion. But other than that we have to trust that sigil will do what is needed. And besides have you seen the price of that gold? I know a couple of my employees that bought gold in EQ2 and in WoW both but even they wouldnt be stupid enough to pay so much for so little. I think we have a bit of a buffer before RMT companies can make any real impact on the economy. But thats just my thoughts on the subject.

[Vutar]

Originally Posted by Halbe

You should look up Sigil's stance on the issue.

For reference do a "McQuaid vs. The Gold Seller" search in google.

They are totally against it, and as this article/interview indicates, pretty outspoken about it.

What if they make this guys name known and ban him? What does that solve? He then logs in with a new name, and does the same thing.

I did read that interview....and I won't believe it until I see it. Saying your against something and actually taking action against it are two different things.

[Isobel]

Originally Posted by Vutar

I did read that interview....and I won't believe it until I see it. Saying your against something and actually taking action against it are two different things.

I'll agree with that sentiment. Don't believe it until you see it. I would suggest that you not assume you won't see it though. It'll just piss you off to no purpose.

[Vutar]

Originally Posted by Mreynolds

Ya know I understand that RMT is a sensitive issue to many. However posting names on sites and things of that nature wont help. Isobel is right. Some poor bastard who chooses that name later will be scarred. The best thing to do is report it and go about your killing. There really is nothing beyond that me and you can do. Now on the FFA PvP server I suppose you could corpse camp them into oblivion. But other than that we have to trust that sigil will do what is needed. And besides have you seen the price of that gold? I know a couple of my employees that bought gold in EQ2 and in WoW both but even they wouldnt be stupid enough to pay so much for so little. I think we have a bit of a buffer before RMT companies can make any real impact on the economy. But thats just my thoughts on the subject.

The price is not the issue. That will come down...which is why it needs to be stopped now and trusting MMORPG company's to stop it is a joke. The only one that held its ground at least to being with was EQ...though that has gone away completely as well.

Its a good point about the posting names thing, however it still needs to be made public in some way. If its not known people are being banned, then eveyrone will think its easily gotten away with and do it themselves. Creating even more gold sellers until its to large to contain.

[Halbe]

Originally Posted by Vutar

I did read that interview....and I won't believe it until I see it. Saying your against something and actually taking action against it are two different things.

So, I guess my question is, why jump to conclusions?

You've reported the guy. He's gonna get banned after they look at the chat logs.

Banning people just because they were reported would be a terrible idea.

If that were the case, any jerk that trained me would suddenly turn into goldfarmers, and I'd get their butts removed.

edit: 100th post! Yippie!

[Xabora]

Its the weekend... give sigil time to get some stuff done.