[Xxara]

Originally Posted by Suraknar

GM, Seer and councellor scandals have been around for as log as MMO's exist, I remember some from the days in Ultima Online.

Heh, yeah. I was in UO on day one. I used every "feature" of that game to my advantage. It was always the same few GMs that would "bust" me, and always the same few bailing me out or giving me "warnings" (more like "stop that! 'they' are watching"). If it werent for EQ, I woulda been an Elder/Seer, even tho I was a well known exploiter.

This kinda stuff will always happen. CCP just did a piss poor job of dealing with it. I sure as hell wont be canceling my sub over it tho.

[Minovacy]

Regardless if a developer has malevolent or benign designs while playing a game they created, its pretty narrow minded and just plain wrong for them to play inside a world they created unless its in an official capacity.

EQ2 DEVs admitted they were playing and raiding in their creation. Any of you UO vets remember the companion fiasco.

This is a competitive game and it stacks the deck in favor of a guild or players that may have an open channel to one of the creators.

In no way can anyone say there isn't the potential for exploits or sensitive information being passed.

[MoonDragn]

This is the reason I quit EVE. Don't think they didn't hurt their bottom line. The devs took resources that were available in plenty from the sectors I moved my corp to and moved them to the sectors that their friends played in. Then they justified it by saying that it was to balance the game out. What resulted is alot of pirate corps cheating and getting more powerful than the normal corps.

When the exploits happened with pirates using bugged devices to buff up their damage, the devs just shruged it off and never was a ban put out. I even talked with a dev at one point in detail and he told me that their status quo is to keep the pirates on top.

Well, good riddance. Eve lost my two accounts.

[Calord]

I have two EVE accounts. I love the game.

But reading that article ....I felt like canceling. I know people may not like this comparison, but how do you feel about players who RMT? Those who buy and those who sell it? This is cheating, as I see it.

If EVE will condemn a paying customer for any form of cheating (and they should), having a developer promote it in any form is 100 times worse. I think as players, even if we think that Devs cheat in the games they make, we generally trust that they feel the same way we do about cheating.

The actions of this one guy has really soured CCPs reputation in my eyes. Should he be fired? Probably not. I'm willing to forgive, tbh. But a demotion in pay is warranted in the least. I mean how much money does the company spend annually fighting off RMT and investigating players suspected of cheating?

To have one of your very own contribute to that is quite devastating to the company. Even just 1. That's all it takes.

I definitely think its fair to say, EVE is fair game for cheating. If they won't punish their own employees for it, they can hardly punish paying customers for the same thing.

and BPOs ....that's worse than what a player can do.

[Nipoleon]

Are people so poorly off in their actual lives that a DEVELOPER using his status in a game causes this kind of jealousy?

I find whining about cheats and such sad and miserable but this tops it all. If the illusionary world is so patologically important for you will you not at least give it's creators their rightful kudos and accept that they do not need to play by the same rules as the crowd.

Whining because the architect has unlimited access to a public building of his making. I scourn upon you.

[Charnas]

Heh, this goes back further than EQ or UO even. I remember the huge scandals in MUDs where IMPS/IMMS were running around with cheat chars and doing Player Killing. It's human nature to want to use your power. It's all about having something called self restraint.

[Calord]

Originally Posted by Nipoleon

Are people so poorly off in their actual lives that a DEVELOPER using his status in a game causes this kind of jealousy?

I find whining about cheats and such sad and miserable but this tops it all. If the illusionary world is so patologically important for you will you not at least give it's creators their rightful kudos and accept that they do not need to play by the same rules as the crowd.

Whining because the architect has unlimited access to a public building of his making. I scourn upon you.

You've missed the point.

Originally Posted by Calord

If EVE will condemn a paying customer for any form of cheating (and they should), having a developer promote it in any form is 100 times worse. I think as players, even if we think that Devs cheat in the games they make, we generally trust that they feel the same way we do about cheating.

Cheating is bad for any game, but especially MMOGs. You don't have to agree.

But you don't have to insult other people on this forum either who care about the subject.