[ifx]

So many people are basing balanced vs unbalanced on level 14 characters. Or even level 20 characters. How the hell does that even matter at that stage?? What should matter is how they stack up at 50.

People talking about balancing at 14 makes me sick. "level 2 to 14 and then see what im talking about". What a joke. I realize why classes get nerfed.. it's because of the minority of people on this stupid forum that the dev's listen to. I barely even come here and now I see I should more to combat the ****ing whiners that are going to ruin the game. Dev's always listen to whiners because they have no way to talk to the majority that are happy in game..

Aggravating. Get 50 then talk about balance. Noone gives a shit who does what in TOD or any other newb area. Enjoy the game.

[Nassir]

Originally Posted by ifx

So many people are basing balanced vs unbalanced on level 14 characters. Or even level 20 characters. How the hell does that even matter at that stage?? What should matter is how they stack up at 50.

People talking about balancing at 14 makes me sick. "level 2 to 14 and then see what im talking about". What a joke. I realize why classes get nerfed.. it's because of the minority of people on this stupid forum that the dev's listen to. I barely even come here and now I see I should more to combat the ****ing whiners that are going to ruin the game. Dev's always listen to whiners because they have no way to talk to the majority that are happy in game..

Aggravating. Get 50 then talk about balance. Noone gives a shit who does what in TOD or any other newb area. Enjoy the game.

I agree 100% but there are those who find the need to blame all there problems on classes..if they but 1/2 the time figuring out there class as they call for nerfs..they would see there really no need for this "balance" BS....

I group with a psi last night man was I happy he was able to keep 3 mobs busy

I also group with sorc. I was glad for the extra damage..

The tank and shaman in the group was probley glad I could heal the tank so the shaman was able to conserv more mana

I was glad the cleric could off tank when the adds came

all this stuff that people say that overpowered is BS it just a bunch of people who think this is a game of soloist

[odinn]

The whole reason I liked Vanguard was the diversity in the classes. Pick the class you like and play it. Don't worry about what another class is doing all the time. If something is completely overpowered, the devs will fix it.

This isn't eq2 with four generic archetypes, and that is the whole reason I am playing Vanguard. Let classes be unique and stop the whining. If you like a class better...go play it!!!!

[Puuma]

And if you see a guys that has mastered his class and can do amazing things, give him his props instead of whining like a child.
or
Take a second and watch him, you may learn something interesting.

[ancksunamun]

Uh oh, because the name of the thread is "all these balance threads" i must react that the author is either moron or is not playing the same game. If he stated 'some' threads.... that would be quite difference.

Actualy some of balance threads are quite valid, even on low levels.

For example my class, PSI, on lvl 16 you could get thrall, wait few levels, go to infinium and own 4 dot mobs with charmed pet who did % dmg ability which could hit for thousands of dmg, depending on mx hp of monster. With this bug, you could level very fast. (btw it was already fixed).

What i get from your thread/post is that i should report any balance issues when i reach lvl 50 which will be like in 3 months for me. Brilliant logic.

While you will see many trolls/whiners/flamers here, you also can see inteligent FEEDBACK, that's what matters and that's why we have this forum, eh?

I , of course, agree that player on lvl 12 crying Fuc*** psi is overpowered it does more dmg than my warrior, brings no valid feedback, but you need to get used to pointless whining and consider what is valid and what not, up to you. Also as you can see, developers are visiting this forum and actualy sometime respond to various issues...

Again, think about it and the word "feedback".

[ancksunamun]

Originally Posted by ancksunamun

Uh oh, because the name of the thread is "all these balance threads" i must react that the author is either moron or is not playing the same game. If he stated 'some' threads.... that would be quite difference.

Actualy some of balance threads are quite valid, even on low levels.

For example my class, PSI, on lvl 16 you could get thrall, wait few levels, go to infinium and own 4 dot mobs with charmed pet who did % dmg ability which could hit for thousands of dmg, depending on mx hp of monster. With this bug, you could level very fast. (btw it was already fixed).

What i get from your thread/post is that i should report any balance issues when i reach lvl 50 which will be like in 3 months for me. Brilliant logic.

While you will see many trolls/whiners/flamers here, you also can see inteligent FEEDBACK, that's what matters and that's why we have this forum, eh?

I , of course, agree that player on lvl 12 crying Fuc*** psi is overpowered it does more dmg than my warrior, brings no valid feedback, but you need to get used to pointless whining and consider what is valid and what not, up to you. Also as you can see, developers are visiting this forum and actualy sometime respond to various issues...

Again, think about it and the word "feedback".

edit: Unfortunately, lvl 50 can also not mean you have mastered your class, and only you have right to talk about balance, when i compare other mmorpgs i have played, usualy super high lvl chars after small period of time meant only one thing - kid using bot to level/farm items (sssh of course i didn't mean Silk Road Online, or did I?)

I could easily now whine at you, who gave you the right to whine about whiners?

[coercion]

While class vs class balance isn't very important pre-50 (or arguably even at 50, on a pve server - as long as each class remains desirable that's all I care about), gameplay itself does.

For example, if class X got a spell that did 4000 damage a tick, while simultaneously dropping a 2000 HoT on the caster, a 1000 dmg rune shield and a 50 second PBAE stun... Nevermind how that compares with other classes. That class would be a complete joke to play for 50 levels. Yeah, it'd be fun for everyone at first, but as soon as people got over the "OMGLOL PWNAGE" feeling they'd realize how empty the experience was.

That's the kind of thing I've been concerned about with my posts. I couldn't care less about the other classes, as long as mine was still desirable (case in point I wouldn't care if druids and necro's kept their mad mana regen and psion's lost ours, as long as we made up for it with greatly superior utility which could then be exploited by those willing to put in the effort of making the most out of that limited mana). Vanguard is all about the journey, at least that's what they say. So it's perfectly fair to be worried about gameplay balance (not necessarily, or at all, class vs class balance) pre-50, as pre-50 is most of the game, at least right now.

Yes, pressure for class balance will raise greatly once people start hitting the level cap. No, that doesn't mean good gameplay pre-50 is not worth fighting for.

[elektra]

Originally Posted by odinn

The whole reason I liked Vanguard was the diversity in the classes. Pick the class you like and play it. Don't worry about what another class is doing all the time. If something is completely overpowered, the devs will fix it.

This isn't eq2 with four generic archetypes, and that is the whole reason I am playing Vanguard. Let classes be unique and stop the whining. If you like a class better...go play it!!!!

unfortunately by listening to all the people calling for class nerfs , the devs are making the classes more generic particularly with the healers for example.
Thanks to all the people who said healers could solo too well we now have an incomming dmg mitigation nerf, more interrupts on our heals and the already implemented energy cost increases.

At this rate I fear it wont be long before we do sadly only have four generic archetypes.

[Vanboi123]

Because leveling from 1-49 is not in fairy land, its just like being level 50, 1-20 is ok but the classes need to start balancing out at that stage

And no its not ok for people to solo purple 3 dots, you no why its purple? Because its way over your level and its not meant for you to solo

[Evoqus Pocus]

Originally Posted by Vanboi123

Because leveling from 1-49 is not in fairy land, its just like being level 50, 1-20 is ok but the classes need to start balancing out at that stage

And no its not ok for people to solo purple 3 dots, you no why its purple? Because its way over your level and its not meant for you to solo

Vanboi,

I've been reading alot of threads lately where you seem to deliberately flame anything and everything, for what seems like the sake of flaming. You bring next to nothing to a conversation, but rattle everyone up and down over mindless incoherent dribble. I don't know if it's a maturity issue or just your personality, but it's really starting to become a drag on these forums. Your complaints about class balance hold no water, especially when the majority of your complaints are based off of speculation and hearsay.


On a side note, is it me or have the maturity of MMO communities in general dive-bombed with the success of WOW? The shear volume simple minded jackasses is almost overwhelming these days.

[odinn]

Originally Posted by Vanboi123

Because leveling from 1-49 is not in fairy land, its just like being level 50, 1-20 is ok but the classes need to start balancing out at that stage

And no its not ok for people to solo purple 3 dots, you no why its purple? Because its way over your level and its not meant for you to solo

That may not be the class, but the way the con system is. If you can kite and not get hit then you can potentially kill anything. That is why kiting is nerfed in a lot of games to uselessness.

I am glad they allow kiting in VG, but it is always easy for kiting classes to kill hard mobs. Kiting does have limitations as you cannot kite just anywhere, there needs to be plenty of room and adds are usually par for the course.

If there is a problem with people kiting purple mobs the resist rate should be more, or spell damage on purples should be significantly less. I know it is for me already, I do about half (or less) damage on purples.

But again, don't hate on the classes that can kite. If that is what you wanted to do, go do that. If not, don't complain. A melee class that has to go toe to toe will not be able to kill higher mobs as easy. Realize this and make class choice accordingly. You will do other things well.

[Vanboi123]

Originally Posted by Evoqus Pocus

Vanboi,

I've been reading alot of threads lately where you seem to deliberately flame anything and everything, for what seems like the sake of flaming. You bring next to nothing to a conversation, but rattle everyone up and down over mindless incoherent dribble. I don't know if it's a maturity issue or just your personality, but it's really starting to become a drag on these forums. Your complaints about class balance hold no water, especially when the majority of your complaints are based off of speculation and hearsay.


On a side note, is it me or have the maturity of MMO communities in general dive-bombed with the success of WOW? The shear volume simple minded jackasses is almost overwhelming these days.

Lol, Its not hearsay, I just soloed a even con 4 dot right now called Swarm something, and it droped a blue chest piece plate armor called Swarmguard, I soloed him twice, he is obviously meant for a group since 4 dots are group mobs(which the devs have specifically stated are group intended mobs) whill 3 dots are duo and sometimes solo mobs, im sorry but it is you who think it is hearsay but it is in fact FACT, just because you dont have the required motor skills to accomplish it does not mean it cannot be done.

[Grimore Valentine]

Don't bother with him Evo, Vanboi has always talked out of his ass and never knows what hes talking about.

[Zanthia]

Imo class balance starts at level 1. Why is class balance more important at level 50 than it is at level 10? You gotta give the devs enough credit and believe they realize that when someone says "omg my level 13 <insert class here> is too overpowered" they realize just like most of us, that this may not be the case at 20 or 30 or even level 50. Or that it's actually being tested before acted on.

Chances are, if anything screws up your favourite class according to how you feel it should be, it's most likely not because the devs thought level 13 and level 50 gameplay is the same thing in their own game, but rather that someone there disagreed with your idea of how the class should be.

-Zan