Tired of bad reviews - Page 2

Vallas · 03-01-2007, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by wolfen66

I agree im really enjoying playing it and just dont want to see bad word of mouth ruin it for us.

Agreed. I jumped into VG without knowing much about it and have been very much enjoying it so far.

After playing for a few days I started recommending it to coworkers that I use to play another MMO with, at least a couple of them were quick to say "oh I heard that game is unfinished, no content, your house will burn down after your PC overheats, you will go blind from playing, it causes seizures, etc etc". Ok I made up a couple of those...but the problem is that people bashing the game for no reason does seem to be having a negative affect on potential players, which to me is just sad.

But then I can explain to them how good it actually is. Word of mouth seems to have a pretty strong affect on a games success. Especially as with MMO's, it is hard to leave behind one you are currently playing and even entertain thoughts of starting a new one.

Riggin · 03-01-2007, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Kilmaro

I completely agree about the flood of negativity, generally from people who were displeased after 12 whole levels. It hurts the community, and has absolutely no point. But, if you're going to talk about one side of the coin, you may as well flip it over and take a look at the other.

Perhaps just as irritating and tiresome are those who place Vanguard up on at pedestal and proclaim it to be the flawless, be-all and end-all of gaming, with the ability to cure cancer if you let it. And God help you if you say anything to the contrary, because you'll soon regret it. The people who are ignoring/dismissing major problems in the game and condemning the "blasphemers" who pointed them out is every bit as harmful to the community as the stupid, negative tools that this thread is directed at.

Now, before you try to burn me at the stake, all I'm saying is that you have to be a bit of a realist when looking at this game. Remember, extremists on either end of a situation are harmful and, generally, detrimental to the others around them.

This is not burning you at the stake, but rather a request. While I agree that the fanboi attitude can be harmful, point to one of us that is enjoying the game that says there's nothing wrong with this game. I don't think you'll find one.

Everyone that enjoys this game KNOWS it's buggy. We just choose to look beyond it and play through them.

I'll never defend a bug. I just think people need to tone down the rhetoric a bit and let the Devs fix what they can when they can.

-Riggin

Timi · 03-01-2007, 02:46 PM

The difference between games that are really bad and games that get bad press at the beginning is time. Games that are just truly bad, no matter how much time you give it, are just that...bad. Games that given time, have time to fly under the radar for a while, and rebound out of no where are the good ones.

Vanguard in it's present state isn't a knock you off your seat/kick you in the crotch, end all MMO, it's fun, but I think after about a year and some patience by the fanbase, it'll pick up some momentum in the right direction.

Vengeful · 03-01-2007, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Timi

The difference between games that are really bad and games that get bad press at the beginning is time. Games that are just truly bad, no matter how much time you give it, are just that...bad. Games that given time, have time to fly under the radar for a while, and rebound out of no where are the good ones.

Vanguard in it's present state isn't a knock you off your seat/kick you in the crotch, end all MMO, it's fun, but I think after about a year and some patience by the fanbase, it'll pick up some momentum in the right direction.

J curve growth....like EVE

Sunwolf Enemy · 03-01-2007, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by wolfen66

Why do people who hate this game feel the need to try and ruin its chances of it having any success? Cant they just go away and let those of us who are enjoying ourselves play?

It seems to me many haters have a vendetta against the game and cant just move on. I dont like wow but I have never posted on any wow forum saying crap about that game or any other game I dont like. It would be a complete waste of my energy to take the time to do it.

I guess I just cant understand why anyone would waste that much time on a game they dont like.

Let me spell it out for you since this phenomenon always occurs, for different reasons depending entirely on the state of the game at launch.

People want the games they want. All of us have opinions about classes, balance, difficulty, economic factors, blah blah blah. In a limited way, many people try to sabotage games they don't like to give games they do like a greater chance at financial success through a larger playerbase and thus, longevity. This is a limited problem.

Not so limited, and the reason people violently crap all over games like Vanguard, is that they think, rightly so imo, that's the only real power they have, apart from the simple purchase decisions they make, to influence the market, particularly when a game is released. It's not too difficult to boil down what's wrong with Vanguard. It was released months too soon, obviously against the wishes of its developers. The simple fact of the matter is, if Vanguard succeeds (or Shadowbane, AC2, Earth and Beyond, AO, SWG, or any other MMO that was obviously released in a beta-quality state), the idea that publishers can force developers to release a game prematurely, and through the use of hype/marketing still convince enough tools...er...players to purchase their shoddy beta product to show a profit, will be reinforced as a successful business practice and thus, will encourage future publishers to engage in the same ethically questionable behavior.

Get it?

wolfen66 · 03-01-2007, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Blitzburg

Haha... I agree with that as well... But how often do you see tact or constructive criticism (or anything constructive really) on internet forums -- especially game forums!

That is so true.

wolfen66 · 03-01-2007, 03:00 PM

Fair enough, I understand that is not a great precedence to set but if not releasing early meant that vanguard would not release at all I would rather have it sent out early. I think its to fun of a game to not exist.

Akuma · 03-01-2007, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Isobel

What makes you say 300K by july as opposed to..say 400K by December or something?

I don't believe VG will rise much until summer because of the bugfest and the incoming LOTRO.
300k seems a fair deal - that's 50k subs per months the next 4 months.

As for the end of the year, no one can tell but i think warhammer might be the "real" next big MMOG with it's focus on what WoW failed to deliver: realm PvP.

Unless VG engine has been entirely debugged and high end content is accessible (and HE content should be accessible in may latest because thats when a majority of the first starters will be 45+), i do not believe 1 second it can compete with AoC and Warhammer.

Myself i think warhammer might be the only possible contender for WoW, at least in the "western world" (lineage 3 for asia?)

wolfen66 · 03-01-2007, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Riggin

This is not burning you at the stake, but rather a request. While I agree that the fanboi attitude can be harmful, point to one of us that is enjoying the game that says there's nothing wrong with this game. I don't think you'll find one.

Everyone that enjoys this game KNOWS it's buggy. We just choose to look beyond it and play through them.

I'll never defend a bug. I just think people need to tone down the rhetoric a bit and let the Devs fix what they can when they can.

-Riggin

I agree extremes on either end can be destructive. If people can just keep it all constructive with a common goal of a better game we are all better off for it.

Frotus · 03-01-2007, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Akuma

I don't believe VG will rise much until summer because of the bugfest and the incoming LOTRO.

LotRO is secretly a marketing tool to drive traffic to VG. Once anyone plays it, they will flee in terror and come play VG with a sigh of relief.

Vengeful · 03-01-2007, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Frotus

LotRO is secretly a marketing tool to drive traffic to VG. Once anyone plays it, they will flee in terror and come play VG with a sigh of relief.

Seriously.... VG may be buggy....but LotRO just isn't fun =(

wolfen66 · 03-01-2007, 03:05 PM

Yes that is the point so many misconseptions out there with people who have never even seen the game in action. I like the examples you gave funny stuff heh.

Riggin · 03-01-2007, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Frotus

LotRO is secretly a marketing tool to drive traffic to VG. Once anyone plays it, they will flee in terror and come play VG with a sigh of relief.

I heard that LotRO is also secretly being programmed as an AP class in a middle school in a suburb just outside of Memphis.

/ducks

-Riggin

Jeters · 03-01-2007, 03:07 PM