03-25-2007, 11:54 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2007
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Nino says - "fought the system...Today's dissenters are a shallow reflection"
Sorry for the tabloid style headliner, but I think this deserves a bit of publicity, and that's what headlines do.
It would seem that a VG dev is on the verge of getting fired for posting his honest opinions about VG:SOH, the community, the current issues by flaunting company policy enforcing him to remain silent.
/Mourn Nino.
http://www.fohguild.org/forums/mmorp...psides-vg.html
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03-25-2007, 11:57 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 52
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Originally Posted by Danni
Sorry for the tabloid style headliner, but I think this deserves a bit of publicity, and that's what headlines do.
It would seem that a VG dev is on the verge of getting fired for posting his honest opinions about VG:SOH, the community, the current issues by flaunting company policy enforcing him to remain silent.
/Mourn Nino.
http://www.fohguild.org/forums/mmorp...psides-vg.html
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Care to link some of these opinions?
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03-25-2007, 11:58 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 1,421
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I don't know (or care for) all of the specific but I will just say:
If you work for any respectable company then you need to understand that as an employee you typically have to tow the company line on things. You can't go out or intentionally try to undermine your company and expect them to NOT fire you. Likewise, Sigil developers, regardless of their own opinions on the matter, need to present VG as a stable and fun game so that more people buy it.
It's just something that you need to deal with in life, it's certainly no great conspiracy.
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03-26-2007, 12:00 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2007
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Originally Posted by Multiplex
I don't know (or care for) all of the specific but I will just say:
If you work for any respectable company then you need to understand that as an employee you typically have to tow the company line on things. You can't go out or intentionally try to undermine your company and expect them to NOT fire you. Likewise, Sigil developers, regardless of their own opinions on the matter, need to present VG as a stable and fun game so that more people buy it.
It's just something that you need to deal with in life, it's certainly no great conspiracy.
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He wasn't undermining the company, if anything he was its best rep...by far. If only all devs and PR people treated their customers this way. I'm looking for the post now, and I'll post it in a minute or two.
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03-26-2007, 12:02 AM
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*BANNED*
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 521
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Multiplex
I don't know (or care for) all of the specific but I will just say:
If you work for any respectable company then you need to understand that as an employee you typically have to tow the company line on things. You can't go out or intentionally try to undermine your company and expect them to NOT fire you. Likewise, Sigil developers, regardless of their own opinions on the matter, need to present VG as a stable and fun game so that more people buy it.
It's just something that you need to deal with in life, it's certainly no great conspiracy.
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The game is a bug riddled, early release beta, with more hang ups than a chinese laundry.
I suppose brad needs to blame someone rather than himself.
Free speech from a Sigil employee? I think not!!
HEIL BRADLEY!!
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03-26-2007, 12:03 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 1,421
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Originally Posted by Almighty God
He wasn't undermining the company, if anything he was its best rep...by far. If only all devs and PR people treated their customers this way. I'm looking for the post now, and I'll post it in a minute or two.
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Whether or not he was undermining the company is not for you or I to determine. It is left at the sole discretion of the company. I'm sure if he has a legitimate complaint about the disciplinary action (if any was taken at all) he could take legal action as necessary.
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03-26-2007, 12:04 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 92
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Originally Posted by Kenak
Care to link some of these opinions?
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No, not really, I would prefer people read it by themselves and came to their own conclusions. If you have the time to read it all, then you have time to make a valid comment. Otherwise we are left with trolls.
As for the 'tow the company line' kneejerk reaction - read it and see what Nino has done to help VG before you play management buzzword bingo.
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03-26-2007, 12:04 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 1,409
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...and here it is:
Since I wrote that snippet, allow me to respond.
That partial list, does not show, "What's missing from Vanguard". I was asked privately to identify where a higher level player, could adventure so I rattled off, as best I could, the areas that were currently AVAILABLE, or COMING in the near future. That message was written on Feb 25, one month from today.
I will update the list, which is not by any means comprehensive:
Thestra
Vol Tuniel - Open at Launch
Thelaseen - Lair of the Drake Riders - Open at Launch
Dargun's Tomb - Open at Launch
Old Targonor - needs tweaks - Open at Launch, tweaks completed on 2/27
Greystone - soon - Open as of mid March - and yes it is GREYSTONE with an 'E'
Beranid Downs - in progress, soon - The final parts get completed by this Friday and pushed the following week
Southwatch - in testing now, coming next week - Open since early March
Gorgoluk - huge Sebilis style dungeon in the deadland swamps; next on schedule for the team finishing SouthwatchWrapping up now, will be completed by this Friday and pushed the following week
Ancient Port Warehouse - Art is almost complete and getting patched in next Wed; content is a few weeks away.This MAY get postponed. It is level 50+; maybe mid April
Basically the terrain and content on western thestra is getting a huge facelift - Done and in since early March
Qalia
Xennumet - top left corner of Qalia is almost done; massive underwater and dungeon realm. - Done and in since mid March
Citadel of the Vanquished - in progress along with the arena that ties content in from all over the world; due in a week or so. - The arena has been in since early March, the Citadel is complete and opens next week
Petra - in progress; stone spires and caves on western qalia, inland a bit, goes live next wed. - Open since early March
Ruined Mordebi Empire - the huge egyptian section on western qalia is next for the team finishing Petra; should be a few weeks though, but has one of the coolest dungeons we have in the Nusibe Necropolis.Open since mid March
City of Brass - I ran through this place on Friday and it should be going live in the next week or so. EQ style outdoor adventure area with Djinn, and Sand Giants; there is also an alternate universe section but not sure if this is opening at the same time.This is called Rahz Inkur, and has been open since early March; the 'alternate' part has been locked.
Again, this was to answer the question, "Where can I go post lvl 35?" There have been, and there are now, plenty of areas, with even more coming. I am sorry that not everything on this list is complete. However, there is nothing stopping anyone from playing the game and having many different places to go.
Now, threatening to post someone's private message is pathetic enough, but promising not to do so, lie about it, and then do it anyway paints a sad picture. The person I sent that to plays the game and has been active in identifying issues and letting me know. So, I let him know in confidence what was 'likely' coming down the pipe and when. It certainly wasn't meant for public viewing and was not intended to outline a schedule that we were absolutely going to adhere to.
And yes, mid April. It has been said on numerous occasions by numerous people that we launched early. This isn't some amazing new revelation. There is no secret agenda.
What should really trouble some people, is the fact that I have done more than anyone to try and be as upfront as possible. I've 'fought the system' to the point where I've had my job threatened on more than one occasion. But that is hardly the point right? It isn't about formulating change, it is ONLY about defaming, insulting, and grandstanding. This becomes more and more transparent.
I know people would love to emulate Furor, but they all lack the most BASIC element of what made his 'rants' pertinent. Furor PLAYED the game and sought improvement. His goal, in the end, was to make the game better, the company stronger, and by proxy advance the genre. Today's pathetic proteges exist only to tear down, admonish, and insult. That is not the legacy of this board. Today's dissenters are a shallow reflection of what this board used to be.
I've been strongly encouraged to stop posting here and will likely get lectured or have disciplinary action taken against me on Monday for this. Does this mean you win? Congratulations.
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03-26-2007, 12:07 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 1,421
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Originally Posted by Danni
As for the 'tow the company line' kneejerk reaction - read it and see what Nino has done to help VG before you play management buzzword bingo.
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LOL, that's some funny stuff right there. Fact of the matter is, if I talk shit about a product that I'm installing/repairing/whatever which my company manufactures in front of a customer my job is now on the line. It doesn't matter if the customer likes me less or more for the exchange, only that I did something which could be detrimental to the company.
There you go asshat, no buzzwords or management crap for you there.
P.S. Now no one here can say I never defended Sigil... hehe.
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03-26-2007, 12:08 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 149
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I've been strongly encouraged to stop posting here and will likely get lectured or have disciplinary action taken against me on Monday for this.
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It would seem that a VG dev is on the verge of getting fired
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If by tabloid headline you meant your complete fabrication, then apology not accepted.
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