[Branlin]

Originally Posted by combustion8

running "smooth" is subjective, some could think 15fps looks smooth to them... I can easily notice the difference from say 20fps to 40fps.

Yeah... and?

[JesperX]

Originally Posted by Zippalbit

But it does prove that people that say you have to spend tons of money buying a new computer are lying through their teeth.

Not really. I mean, you don't have to spend 2k, no. You can spend 1k and run VG at decent settings. You can pay $800 and run it somewhat decent. The point isn't that you can't reach certain frame rates, the point is the accuracy of the frame rates being reported.

The aforementioned frame rates are NOT average rates for that system. Sure you can get 25-30 if you're standing still in the middle of nowhere. Do a full benchmark outdoors, indoors, no people, shittons of people, in town, etc. and see what the average is.

If you spend your money well, a more expensive system is going to stabilize those frame rates a good deal. That system will slow to a stuttery slideshow in towns.

[combustion8]

Originally Posted by Branlin

Yeah... and?

and.. I like popcorn?

[Aegorian]

Originally Posted by combustion8

barebones os? that's a first... and here I thought I was tech savy.

Such a thing exists. It basically strips out all of the unnecessary processes and background software that is typically installed with windows. It's very efficient and does perform well, but i recommend being very tech saavy to use it. A lot of what it strips out a normal person may use in the course of their lives.

EDIT: i dont believe this is a MS product, but something that was created a few years ago by an enthusiast. I have definitely heard of it tho.

[kildest]

Originally Posted by Aegorian

Such a thing exists. It basically strips out all of the unnecessary processes and background software that is typically installed with windows. It's very efficient and does perform well, but i recommend being very tech saavy to use it. A lot of what it strips out a normal person may use in the course of their lives.

But that's not an industry term. What you're describing is not what the OP described.

[Rourke]

OK..here is my specs on my POS PC i am using atm.

AMD 3200+
1 gig of crapass ram
x1950 pro

PC is a Compaq Presario (you can't much much worse, lol)

1st SS is me running in 3 Rivers, pretty good traffic in there, a known laggy area. This is set at High Performance.

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r...Shot_00157.jpg

and this is at Balanced.

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r...Shot_00156.jpg

I think that my system is as about as low as you really wanna go if you plan on raiding, or doing dungeons. On High Performance, i do well, but adding more Ram will help. Fortunatly, i can upgrade to Vista and 4 gigs too, with this store bought crapper.

[rhagz]

Can you do the same during the day.. you know, when you can see stuff? Also, what resolution is that?

[Rourke]

Originally Posted by Aegorian

Such a thing exists. It basically strips out all of the unnecessary processes and background software that is typically installed with windows. It's very efficient and does perform well, but i recommend being very tech saavy to use it. A lot of what it strips out a normal person may use in the course of their lives.

EDIT: i dont believe this is a MS product, but something that was created a few years ago by an enthusiast. I have definitely heard of it tho.

It's called Tiny XP isnt it?

[Aegorian]

Originally Posted by kildest

But that's not an industry term. What you're describing is not what the OP described.

barebones OS. no. not an industry term. But what i described is exactly what the OP described. It strips out unnecessary processes/programs from the windows installation to basically reduce the RAM usage to its most minimal level while still being able to run typical apps.

[Aegorian]

Originally Posted by Rourke

It's called Tiny XP isnt it?

could be. I heard of this a LONG time ago. I think you can do the same kind of thing manually with the program called nLite. The one i'm referring to, tho, does all of the upfront for you without any manual configuration.

[combustion8]

Originally Posted by Aegorian

could be. I heard of this a LONG time ago. I think you can do the same kind of thing manually with the program called nLite. The one i'm referring to, tho, does all of the upfront for you without any manual configuration.

I've heard of striping out stuff but never heard it referred as "barebones os"... also couldnt you just turn them all off manually anyway after they are installed in your settings?

[kildest]

Originally Posted by Aegorian

barebones OS. no. not an industry term. But what i described is exactly what the OP described. It strips out unnecessary processes/programs from the windows installation to basically reduce the RAM usage to its most minimal level while still being able to run typical apps.

well son of a bitch, I'm wrong.

http://www.digg.com/software/TinyXP_55Mb_WinXP_client

[Loopy]

The problem with this whole thing is his original claim was that his friend bought a particular system and it ran at the stated FPS. Now most people would take that to mean it ran that way with a typical install which wasn't the case.

The OS is heavily modified to get whatever performance he is getting which is not going to be what the average using will be doing. Most people use their computers for more than JUST gaming so coming here and stating he got so and so fps with his average build without stating that it was not a typical OS installation was a little misleading.

[Trystan365]

Originally Posted by Majin

With that processor you CANT tell me he is getting 25-30. With that processor is getting 10 frames in cities and with groups.

I have the same processor and a way superior 8800GTS, when i overclock my proc by 300mhz it starts to get a little better but its far from 25-30 frames in crowded areas...

way to spill bullshit

Try optimising your machine...this one was running VG on a clean load. Makes a huge difference.

[Trystan365]

Originally Posted by combustion8

running "smooth" is subjective, some could think 15fps looks smooth to them... I can easily notice the difference from say 20fps to 40fps.

Barnyard cheer for you mate!

Do you notice the individual frames in a movie? No, you don't. Know what the frame rate of a movie in a theatre is? 24 FPS, no more. Maybe, just maybe, you can notice the tiniest bit from 20-24 FPS, but after that you, sir, are completely full of it.

The human eye cannot discern anything more that 24 FPS. It's called persistance of vision, and everyone has it. All you get out of it is the ability to aim better in an FPS, which this isn't.

[Trystan365]

Originally Posted by Loopy

The OS is heavily modified to get whatever performance he is getting which is not going to be what the average using will be doing. Most people use their computers for more than JUST gaming so coming here and stating he got so and so fps with his average build without stating that it was not a typical OS installation was a little misleading.

The average user is a booger-eating, beer swilling moron who uses their computer to look for porn, send email, and DL viruses. The "average user" thinks these kind of games are stupid. The "average user" is average.

If you fall into that catagory, I feel sorry for you.

[rhagz]

Barnyard cheer for you mate!

Do you notice the individual frames in a movie? No, you don't. Know what the frame rate of a movie in a theatre is? 24 FPS, no more. Maybe, just maybe, you can notice the tiniest bit from 20-24 FPS, but after that you, sir, are completely full of it.

The human eye cannot discern anything more that 24 FPS. All you get out of it is the ability to aim better in an FPS, which this isn't.

Terrible argument. Movies use motion blur, which causes each frame to sort of bleed into another. This is why you can't see individual frames. Current video game engines are not capable of rendering motion blur in real time.

[Rourke]

Originally Posted by Trystan365

The average user is a booger-eating, beer swilling moron who uses their computer to look for porn, send email, and DL viruses. The "average user" thinks these kind of games are stupid. The "average user" is average.

If you fall into that catagory, I feel sorry for you.

Wait...are you actually serious? Did you really just make an elitest nerd statement like that? The "average" user? My wife used to HATE MMO's, hell....so did I for a long time.

I used to associate Evercrack players with the Cellar-Dweller sterotype, or the D&D roleplayer, that hangs out at Medieval Fairs with foams sword and tin foil hats pretending they know how to fight. That you?

[ikaoma420]

Originally Posted by rhagz

Terrible argument. Movies use motion blur, which causes each frame to sort of bleed into another. This is why you can't see individual frames. Current video game engines are not capable of rendering motion blur in real time.

Someone in every game forum post that drivel. Here is a great article discussing the difference between frames per second in a movie and in a game

http://amo.net/NT/02-21-01FPS.html

[rhagz]

Originally Posted by ikaoma420

Someone in every game forum post that drivel. Here is a great article discussing the difference between frames per second in a movie and in a game

http://amo.net/NT/02-21-01FPS.html

Exactly. I'll trust a USAF study that shows people can detect 220fps over some forum warriors assessment, thank you very much.

Now, do you need 220 fps? No.. but I need more than 12!