[Dagga]

I understand that there are many other issues competing for resources, but please - throw us a bone. At this point many of us don't care about a full up intricately designed raid zone - we just want something.

Short term solution - make a few world spawns that are extremely challenging and balanced around 24 players - just to give us something to do until your 'real' raid content is ready for the push to live.

And another short term solution for cpu performance on raids - it requires a backstory. About 18 of us were running through Rahz when it was first released (yes, its not a raid zone - it was a chance to get everyone together) and a GM, unbidden, turned us all into skeletons. It instantly improved FPS by at least 15 for every single person there.

Make a vendor in Khal sell a potion that gives the imbiber a skeleton illusion - level 50 only, and you can even restrict the locations its used in. I'm not saying its a perfect solution - but I guarantee you, it is effective. Coupled with the soon to be implemented spell effects toggle, this makes raiding in Vanguard a possibility - with raid content, a reality.

Dagga Nabbit
50 Rogue - Shidreth
Blades of Wrath
www.vgbow.org

[Mardy]

Nice find, I do find that most of my lag is really coming from other players within view. Possibly it has to do with the cloaks (remember daoc cloak causing lag?) and various other armor/weapon graphics.

Illusion would be nice. I want the old guise of the deceiver =(

[Cohh]

Cohh here. Leader of Carnage. Currently our average level is 45 with over 30 players.


What i'd like to know, is what are we suppose to be doing right now? I have 25+ Active, willing, and ready participants to start doing the encoutners that we're playing the game to do, and there is nothing there. No messages of "Incoming content". No "Guys, April 14th is the date for raid content!". Nothing.


Sigil, people are quitting your game over this, and I have nothing to tell them but "Please...don't. Keep waiting. It will come." But honestly, how much longer are we going to have to do this?

I'm here for Brad. I'm here becasue this game is suppose to be the end all-be all of MMOs when it's complete. Because the people who started this genre are pushing it to the next level.


But for now... How about just having a level...period

What can we tell them? We WANT to keep people playing Vanguard. I don't want my level 50 friends to shelf their characters and go to other games because there is nothing to do. Please, give us a date. A quip. A comment. A SOMETHING that will keep us here.

We want Vanguard to live. Help us, help you

Cohh


*edit* Raids aren't here because of system instability problems... it's because the game is unable to form a Raid. Without a raid, credit is a mess, no AOEs, etc.

[Kelenvor]

Since, In the Works page, lists

Adventuring

High level raid dungeons

in the long term projects section. I would put it at at least a couple of months off. They will probably round off the high level group content April and May. The summer will probably see the first raids.

[Dagga]

Originally Posted by Kelenvor

Since, In the Works page, lists

Adventuring

High level raid dungeons

in the long term projects section. I would put it at at least a couple of months off. They will probably round off the high level group content April and May. The summer will probably see the first raids.

I have alot of spit and vinegar I wanted to throw into my reply to this post, but I'll save it for later. I want to believe this is an overly pessimistic view.

I'm ordinarily not one of those people who threaten to quit MMO's because of some design change/feature they don't like; but I'll say it now - I won't wait 2+ months to start raiding. My guild has 19 level 50's and more on the way - we are ready to raid now.

Take a developer and have him spawn a giant in the middle of nowhere that hits for 5000, AE's, and spawns adds midway through the fight. Itemize him and throw him in the game. Wham, its a raid encounter. I've seen very responsive changes to mob abilities occur on these boards - I know this is possible with one nights work. Duplicate it a few times, make them progressively harder, and you'll shut up uber guilds for a while.

Dagga Nabbit
50 Rogue
Blades of Wrath
Shidreth
www.vgbow.org

[Speaker]

Originally Posted by Dagga

I have alot of spit and vinegar I wanted to throw into my reply to this post, but I'll save it for later. I want to believe this is an overly pessimistic view.

I'm ordinarily not one of those people who threaten to quit MMO's because of some design change/feature they don't like; but I'll say it now - I won't wait 2+ months to start raiding. My guild has 19 level 50's and more on the way - we are ready to raid now.

Take a developer and have him spawn a giant in the middle of nowhere that hits for 5000, AE's, and spawns adds midway through the fight. Itemize him and throw him in the game. Wham, its a raid encounter. I've seen very responsive changes to mob abilities occur on these boards - I know this is possible with one nights work. Duplicate it a few times, make them progressively harder, and you'll shut up uber guilds for a while.

Dagga Nabbit
50 Rogue
Blades of Wrath
Shidreth
www.vgbow.org

I am sure they will add raid content in time. Just remember raiding is not "the" end game of Vanguard, there will continue to other high level group content.

[DarkProdigyX]

Dayamn, I'd like to know the total /played time for you guilds with that many level 50s @_@.

I guess I just don't have that hardcore mindset. The world is so huge and nicely done, I spent a few hours the other day exploring heh... actually I lost exp that day.

Well i dont mean to be off topic, kudos to you guys for prepping to raid so fast, i really hope they can take care of you content-wise. Have you guys tried to take down some of the level 50 6dot mobs around? Like that Tharridon the Mighty guy in thestra?

[Aroua999]

Originally Posted by Speaker

I am sure they will add raid content in time. Just remember raiding is not "the" end game of Vanguard, there will continue to other high level group content.

That's fine if there was other group content in now for 50's too, but there really isn't much of anything, right? A mob or 3 good for a group? So they have to wait for that too?

[Tirolan Lioncourt]

Originally Posted by Aroua999

That's fine if there was other group content in now for 50's too, but there really isn't much of anything, right? A mob or 3 good for a group? So they have to wait for that too?

Dagga not to be a prick, but you *KNEW* there was no raiding to be had at the moment, yet rushed to 50? This isn't a matter of shoudl there or shouldn't there be raiding(It should have been included with release but wasn't, I agree that's f'd up). But If you knew there was no raiding, and probably not for a couple of months, why did you rush so fast to hit the max lvl, and then get stuck with nothing to do...I don't get it.

[Malivan]

Originally Posted by Tirolan Lioncourt

Dagga not to be a prick, but you *KNEW* there was no raiding to be had at the moment, yet rushed to 50? This isn't a matter of shoudl there or shouldn't there be raiding(It should have been included with release but wasn't, I agree that's f'd up). But If you knew there was no raiding, and probably not for a couple of months, why did you rush so fast to hit the max lvl, and then get stuck with nothing to do...I don't get it.

This is a crap argument, and its time is dead. There are thousands of people over 45, hundreds at 50. You can get to 50 without "rushing". Its called never logging off. THousands of us put in more than 30 hours a week, and its easy to get to 45 witout even trying at that rate, so stuff this pitiful defense of an unfinished product.

If they didn't want us "rushing" to 50 (which is a bullshit argument by now) then they should have capped us at 40. We deserve content now, and they will lose a lot of their hardcores if they don't provide it in their next major update.

I am talking real content, with tons of solo, small group, and group quests to get people through the forties and into 50+ raid content. Anything less by their next big update, and they better start thinking about relaunching this game in the summer.