SoE to Buy Vanguard?

Labyrrinth · 04-25-2007, 08:48 AM

Word on the street is that SoE has plans to buy Vanguard from Sigil. According to the folks over at VGFlames:

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New, current rumor is that SoE will announce next week they've agreed to buy out Vanguard from Sigil based on its declining population, since Sigil cannot afford to continue. Further information is that SoE will merge servers shortly thereafter.

We at Silky Venom have no insider information and no official word on this buyout. As it stands right now, this is nothing more than a rumor. However on the off chance that there may be some credence to this gossip and given our flair for somewhat amateurish journalism, we felt it only fair to report on it; to bring it to you, our readers!

Whether you agree or disagree, keep the conversation nice please

riblet · 04-25-2007, 09:00 AM

That would be bad news indeed. I suspect if true, that would be the end to the 7-year development plans, and would instead receive changes similar to what happened to SWG. But I have to ask, is it really that bad? I would have thought that populations were going up instead of down.

Missio · 04-25-2007, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Labyrrinth

Word on the street is that SoE has plans to buy Vanguard from Sigil. According to the folks over at VGFlames:

We at Silky Venom have no insider information and no official word on this buyout. As it stands right now, this is nothing more than a rumor. However on the off chance that there may be some credence to this gossip and given our flair for somewhat amateurish journalism, we felt it only fair to report on it; to bring it to you, our readers!

Whether you agree or disagree, keep the conversation nice please

I guess my first question is you must believe that LFG is a reliable source of information in order to risk posting something like that here on silky. I read the post and it doesn't really say much. If this turns out not to be true, that is irresponsible journalism, if it is true, what's your source?

The_Dark_Knight · 04-25-2007, 09:10 AM

I don't think it will happen, because I don't think Brad and the rest of the Sigil team want to go out that way. I think they are in for the long haul, to recover from the mistakes and make it a winner.

You honestly think he is the type of guy to take a kick to the crotch and walk away without a word?

No way.

Istaira · 04-25-2007, 09:18 AM

I hope someone at Sigil at least comes forward and let us know straight of the bat if this is true or not. This kind of thing needs to be niped in the bud like now. Not a month from now. And if it is true, will Sigil staff be staying on?

You guys, put so much heart and soul in this already, I would be sad for you guys if you was leaving completely. I do not mind if Soe took over, never been a hater, but given a choice I would rather remain with Brad and Co.

But untill someone says its true or not, it does not really matter what we think or not. And if it is untrue, I wonder what rattles in someones mind to start these things, and the damage they can do with it.

Kelmino · 04-25-2007, 09:18 AM

coming from a site that calls its self VG Flames? yeah thats solid proof right there...

MX13 · 04-25-2007, 09:25 AM

Well, if this is true (which I doubt) our guild is out. We're not going through another NGE and loosing everything we've worked for. We just don't trust SOE, they've screwed up EVERY game the have.

This would kill VG for good.

Labyrrinth · 04-25-2007, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Missio

I guess my first question is you must believe that LFG is a reliable source of information in order to risk posting something like that here on silky. I read the post and it doesn't really say much. If this turns out not to be true, that is irresponsible journalism, if it is true, what's your source?

As for whether it’s true or not, I clearly state that at this point it is a rumor – albeit a rumor we’re not going to ignore and pretend that people aren’t talking about. If you are reader of the general forums, this is something that was being talked about before I made this post. I’m not the first to bring it up. I wasn’t the first to find it - other affiliates are also reporting on it

Out of curiousity, what do you propose, that I hide my head in the sand and deny all? Deny there’s a rumor? Deny people are talking about the possibility? Deny that it IS a possibility?

I’d prefer to bring an issue out in the open, to the forefront, to hopefully get answers as opposed to try to deny an issue even exists

Istaira · 04-25-2007, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Labyrrinth

As for whether it’s true or not, I clearly state that at this point it is a rumor – albeit a rumor we’re not going to ignore and pretend that people aren’t talking about. If you are reader of the general forums, this is something that was being talked about before I made this post. I’m not the first to bring it up. I wasn’t the first to find it - other affiliates are also reporting on it

Out of curiousity, what do you propose, that I hide my head in the sand and deny all? Deny there’s a rumor? Deny people are talking about the possibility? Deny that it IS a possibility?

I’d prefer to bring an issue out in the open, to the forefront, to hopefully get answers as opposed to try to deny an issue even exists

I do not think they mean you Labyrrinth, I think all post are aimed at the guy on VGFlames. I know I never even took you to consideration in my own post, just the one on Flames. If that was miscommuncated I applogise.

Labyrrinth · 04-25-2007, 09:38 AM

Nah I know you didn't Istaira

I was responding to Missio's post specifically. With that I'm out of this conversation (maybe..)

Blackmyst · 04-25-2007, 09:42 AM

It this were NOT true I think we all would have seen an instant denial.The rumor is all over the net. We have not.

Missio · 04-25-2007, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Labyrrinth

As for whether it’s true or not, I clearly state that at this point it is a rumor – albeit a rumor we’re not going to ignore and pretend that people aren’t talking about. If you are reader of the general forums, this is something that was being talked about before I made this post. I’m not the first to bring it up. I wasn’t the first to find it - other affiliates are also reporting on it

Out of curiousity, what do you propose, that I hide my head in the sand and deny all? Deny there’s a rumor? Deny people are talking about the possibility? Deny that it IS a possibility?

I’d prefer to bring an issue out in the open, to the forefront, to hopefully get answers as opposed to try to deny an issue even exists

Well then implore some better literary skills when making posts like that. The majority of the Vanguard looks to silky venom as an accurate source of information. You lose credibility when you jump on the band wagon and just start posting wild rumors. What got my attention is that it is listed on your news section, as if there must be merit to it, or that you know something we dont.

Your reply to my post gives a little more detail. In answer to your question, what I would propose is state it exactly for what it was: There is a big rumor going around that SOE is going to Buy out Vanguard, What Say You?

That gets the conversation going, without you losing credibility. Again your news item makes it sound like it is big news.

Just my opinion for what little it may be worth.

Korvix · 04-25-2007, 09:49 AM

Why hasn't a Dev or anyone from the company posted that its not true, youd think Sigil would jump up and tell everyone that its full of lies. But, they have not, and you know what that means when they don't comment on stuff like this.........

Varmint · 04-25-2007, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Korvix

Why hasn't a Dev or anyone from the company posted that its not true, youd think Sigil would jump up and tell everyone that its full of lies. But, they have not, and you know what that means when they don't comment on stuff like this.........

Even if this is true, I would imagine Sigil is obliged to keep their mouths shut about it. Do you think they are foolish enough to just come here and blurt it out?
No, if ever such an announcement is made, it will be a carefully timed and though out marketing decision. I mean, no matter how much "love of the game" is a factor for Sigil, the bottom line is harsh and unforgiving. Hence the move from Microsoft to SOE, and the early release.

Marty · 04-25-2007, 10:33 AM

If true, this will see a lot of people leave - of that I have no doubt. I already vowed I would not get another SOE game after SWG and the 'new game enhancements' *sob* and it was only Sigils overall control that convinced me to at least give Vanguard a try.

I can't trust SOE, and am uncomfortable giving them money every month only to have them screw me AGAIN later down the line. No thanks.

Korvix · 04-25-2007, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Varmint

Even if this is true, I would imagine Sigil is obliged to keep their mouths shut about it. Do you think they are foolish enough to just come here and blurt it out?
No, if ever such an announcement is made, it will be a carefully timed and though out marketing decision. I mean, no matter how much "love of the game" is a factor for Sigil, the bottom line is harsh and unforgiving. Hence the move from Microsoft to SOE, and the early release.

i know they will not come here and say they are going to sell out to SOE, no business person in their right mind would say that b4 it actually happens ( would effect way to many things, and if it happened to fall through, oh god the mess that would make). but normally, when there is a rumor this huge, and the company does not talk about it, they are hinting at something

bigdogchris · 04-25-2007, 10:40 AM

Well think of it this way. Sigil frequents these boards ... if it wasn't true wouldn't they jump all over this thread to clear up confusion? Thing is from their history in the old VG forums they debunk rumors quickly, unless obviously fake, so we'll have to wait and see. This one doesn't seem obviously fake to me.

Korvix · 04-25-2007, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by bigdogchris

Well think of it this way. Sigil frequents these boards ... if it wasn't true wouldn't they jump all over this thread to clear up confusion? Thing is from their history in the old VG forums they debunk rumors quickly, unless obviously fake, so we'll have to wait and see. This one doesn't seem obviously fake to me.

wait and see for me as well, you can join me in my tree house if you want, good view of the battle field.

pablo0713 · 04-25-2007, 10:53 AM

Sometimes I wonder if this was SOE's intent all along. Why else push a game out prematurely especially from a company like SOE who has the capital to support continued development of this game? Perhaps they decided to sabotage Sigil (maybe an executive didn't want to see it succeed over EQ2???) so that they could come along and pick up the pieces later.

Well, at least we know that Vanguard won't be shutting down. SOE doesn't shut down games. I suppose I should thank my luck stars (or start paying more attention to Darkfall).

pablo0713 · 04-25-2007, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Marty

If true, this will see a lot of people leave - of that I have no doubt. I already vowed I would not get another SOE game after SWG and the 'new game enhancements' *sob* and it was only Sigils overall control that convinced me to at least give Vanguard a try.

I can't trust SOE, and am uncomfortable giving them money every month only to have them screw me AGAIN later down the line. No thanks.

Why is this still a common misconception? SOE did NOT ruin SWG. Lucasarts did.