Hey folks, let's keep the commentary about the editorial decision out of the thread, please. We made a decision to post this rumor with good reason and have clearly labeled it as such. We don't regularly post rumors and we know no more than any of you do. Let the thread be about the subject matter only.

[pablo0713]

Originally Posted by Cristof

Ok, I will agree with this, game starts, everything dips, SWG had it from COH and so on. Aside from the fact this is coming from a pvper, this is a well thought out post.
AoC from what I understood is forced pvp on all servers, so you enjoy that ^^

SoE will lose me and anyone I can bring with me, including my guild, if they take this over. we lived through one SoE occupation and "vision", Named the NGE and CU.

We will not make that mistake again. I'm willing to be alot of you who remember why we came hear from those shattered lands feel the same. Join me in a combined shout of defiance. Demand and answer! Victory or Death! Ok thats a bit much. Victory or Cancel! there

<bows>

I got a feeling SWGers will become like the lost souls of MMOs...endlessly searching for the glory days of SWG. Never satisfied, they aimlessly wander from one MMO to another moaning about the horrors of pre-cu.

Honestly, jumping ship if this announcement is true is a little bit short sighted in my opinion. Just give it some more time and see how things work out. If, after a couple of months of SOE being at the helm, proves your fears to be true, by all means jump. Just give it some time.

Can they do any worse than Sigil? I doubt it. SOE did turn EQ2 into a better game. MxO got left in the dust only because it never had the support from customers to begin with.

If people stop supporting VG, then I am sure it will become MxO 2.0.

[Defmetal]

Hey if you want PVP, go to Iraq, you'll get the ultimate PVP experience there.

Well look at it this way, how could VG get any worse by a sony buyout?
EQ2 is a very powerful game right now...
They would be able to incorporate things from EQ2, and maybe even make Vanguard the "new" EQ2.

With working guild menus, WATER REFLECTIONS, and all sorts of stuff EQ2 has.
Sony has the money to do anything, Sigil doesn't.
Sigil WON'T have the money to do ANYTHING for a LONG time. Sony has it NOW.

[Cristof]

Originally Posted by pablo0713

I got a feeling SWGers will become like the lost souls of MMOs...endlessly searching for the glory days of SWG. Never satisfied, they aimlessly wander from one MMO to another moaning about the horrors of pre-cu.

Honestly, jumping ship if this announcement is true is a little bit short sighted in my opinion. Just give it some more time and see how things work out. If, after a couple of months of SOE being at the helm, proves your fears to be true, by all means jump. Just give it some time.

Can they do any worse than Sigil? I doubt it. SOE did turn EQ2 into a better game. MxO got left in the dust only because it never had the support from customers to begin with.

If people stop supporting VG, then I am sure it will become MxO 2.0.

Points. Very good points. However you're missing the point here. We can't allow this kind of thing to be ok for companies to do. We can declare in one voice we will not tolerate this kind of bait and switch that they are more then likely planning. Granted the Raegan Era strike didn't work, but since we're not under contract it'll have more impact, IMHO.

As far as being a ghost. Thats almost offensive o.0 Almost. But mainly I laughed at the concept No hard feelings!

to clarify, we should have left when they did the CU, but we "hung on" for a while, and then they NGE'd us, successfully driving the rest of us off, so pardon me if we're a bit sceptical about "brave new worlds of soe" o.o

<bows>

[Timeless]

If this is true, Taliskers Resume is not shaping up too well...

E&B and now Vanguard....

[Smoothbrain]

Originally Posted by Nólaquen

Hey folks, let's keep the commentary about the editorial decision out of the thread, please. We made a decision to post this rumor with good reason and have clearly labeled it as such. We don't regularly post rumors and we know no more than any of you do. Let the thread be about the subject matter only.

Well, I think the subject matter lends itself to whether this is actually news or if it is indeed a rumor. You stated it a rumor but post it as news that is why I posted my comments, apologies if seen as hijacking but my comments were intended to draw attention to the inflation of a RUMOR by community managers which miconstruses validity to said rumor. It's still the same subject. Is it a rumor or not?

[Aesri]

Originally Posted by pablo0713

Honestly, jumping ship if this announcement is true is a little bit short sighted in my opinion. Just give it some more time and see how things work out. If, after a couple of months of SOE being at the helm, proves your fears to be true, by all means jump. Just give it some time.

All I can say is...as I said to my friends prior to joining VG. If SOE buys it out...I'm gone. *shrugs* I have little to no wish to repeat my experience with them and honestly, MY personal issue has less to do with the NGE than all of my friends and more to do with other aspects of that debacle that recieved less attention related to their business practices. I came to VG because my friends wanted me here. Sigil showed me a chance to enjoy gaming again. However it was to be with SOE at the sidelines. Ok, I can deal with that. But with them at the helm? Nope.

Not packing up yet, but should this prove more than simply rumor...

*HAIDOKEN SHRUG*

[Avariel]

Originally Posted by pablo0713

I got a feeling SWGers will become like the lost souls of MMOs...endlessly searching for the glory days of SWG. Never satisfied, they aimlessly wander from one MMO to another moaning about the horrors of pre-cu.

I think you mean post-cu here.
We lost souls are seeking SWG as it was before SOE messed it up with its dreadful CU and NGE horrors.

[Cristof]

Originally Posted by Avariel

I think you mean post-cu here.
We lost souls are seeking SWG as it was before SOE messed it up with its dreadful CU and NGE horrors.

Here here. I know however I can never have that back, save a blaster mod or a saber skin ^_~ but I want something that isn't entirely tainted with the blood of rpers as swg now is, after their dreadful contamination that is the NGE.

[fatsuprman]

Originally Posted by Labyrrinth

Word on the street is that SoE has plans to buy Vanguard from Sigil. According to the folks over at VGFlames:



We at Silky Venom have no insider information and no official word on this buyout. As it stands right now, this is nothing more than a rumor. However on the off chance that there may be some credence to this gossip and given our flair for somewhat amateurish journalism, we felt it only fair to report on it; to bring it to you, our readers!

Whether you agree or disagree, keep the conversation nice please

I'll come back if they do

[Kelenvor]

Last rumor from LFG was that VG was about to open an official forums due to pressure from Smed. That was a couple of months ago. *looks around* No official forums. That gives a little less credibility to his "inside" information. My guess is that he knows an employee of SOE. The insider probably gives him the watercooler gossip around the office. I doubt that he gets the scoop from the people who really matter.

On the other side of this, Sigil is letting the rumor run without denying it. The more and more that I hear it and no response from Sigil, I'm starting to believe it. Sigil has to really be feeling a money crunch. The investors are probably wanting to see $ now. With low pops on the servers, he's probably reinvesting his cash in Jack Daniels.

I just hopes this works out. For a PvE game, VG has great potential.

[Dachannien]

I hope this is just a silly rumor, but if it's not, well, I've been looking for an excuse to try out LotRO.

[Duzhal]

the only thing that would worry me if SOE bought vg from sigil, would be to expect an expansion every 3 months... i really dont want to go through the whole 15 expansion thing that eq1 has, but with vanguard now too?

[blade2040]

If SoE took over i'd be inclined to jump ship, my floaties are already on.....

however i would like to see what they do with the game. Maybe they will pump some money in and fix it if they don't see it as a lost cause. I just hope they don't change it. I'd rather see Sigil's ideas get implented than the lame stuff in EQ2. I strongly dislike EQ2s system (just my opinion) and i never want to see another MMO emulate it or come close to anything like it again. If SoE ultimately decides they want to have their way with VG and start on CU's and other BS, I will be pissed off and this will be the final straw for me and my gamer buddies. We were worried back when we heard Sigil was throwing in with SoE and one of my friends was saying since the beginning this was terrible news for VG and he hasn't stopped saying it since. I certainly hope SoE doens't take over, or if they do they redeem themselves and don't screw VG over like all the other crap on the station pass.

[Kelenvor]

Originally Posted by Duzhal

the only thing that would worry me if SOE bought vg from sigil, would be to expect an expansion every 3 months... i really dont want to go through the whole 15 expansion thing that eq1 has, but with vanguard now too?

That's in the past. SOE has changed their stance on expansions. For EQ2, they increased their expansion time to 1 year. They don't want to throw out half down expansions anymore.

[Alawi]

Here is an analogy:

Brad McQaid, a Director/Producer, has an ambition to shoot an R-rated graphic fantasy epic, along the lines of CONAN THE BARBARIAN, he forms a company and raises $30 million, meticulously shoots the film over years and fine tunes the script as he goes along, but runs out of financing and is forced to 'sneak preview' the movie, audiences give middling grades on their score cards...they complain about the violence and the graphic nature of the film, he realizes his needs a mainstream audience to salvage his film, so he re-edits the film and aims for a PG rating...

...he is then forced to release the film to theatres...

...the critics go haywire and audiences dislike the film, yet he keeps trimming here and there, and reshooting and adding, trying to make the movie more mainstream so it can appeal to more people, so he can re-release it and recoup his cost, Paramount steps in and says: "Okay we'll release the film for you and help with marketing, but we want X% of the film and we want 'Final Cut' approval before you release it again.."

Brad and his team work hard but again depleting energy and times are adversaries; word of mouth in Hollywood is bad, and is now being picked by major movie trade and internet sites, hurting the tentative film - Paramount steps in again and says 'Okay, Brad, you have a masterpiece in there somewhere, let us buy the rights, the studio machine will take care of it, we'll reshoot the ending, clean it up, bring in a new composer and editor, you'll stay as Executive Producer but it's our film now."

That is what may be occuring between Sigil and Sigil now.

[Paleghost]

Originally Posted by Defmetal

To the guy on the first page who said Sony ruined SWG with NGE, you would be incorrect where you place your blame.

That was entirely and solely Lucas Arts doing.
You're just giving Sony credit for a LA mistake and that's a dangerous thing to do.

That's like saying EQ1 wasn't always sony, all those good times you had in EQ1 CAME FROM SONY.
(Notice that Verant was owned by 989 Studios which was part of Sony Computer Entertainment of America)

Just for fun here is the original EQ1 cover art, look in the LOWER LEFT CORNER.




So quit yer bitchin' and consider that maybe if you welcome a company that has many successful games, and is one of the leading figures in the gaming industry, with all the money in the world to fend off lawsuits over DRM-CDs and Dual Shock controllers, you might get Vanguard to become the game it was promised to be.

this is true, if you need more proof, look at one of the very first cities made in eq1, qeynos, backwords.

[Bloodbeard]

It makes me sad, not because SoE is teh debil (although it is interesting how they forced the game out too early, and now will buy it out), but because I really feel as though Brad had/has a great idea, and wanted to build the game in his head. Unfortunately, financial needs did not allow for this to happen. I remember posting on the old VG boards that partnering with SoE was the first step to SoE owning a majority in Sigil, or at the least, owning Vanguard:Saga of Heroes.... I will not blast at SoE, though I am unhappy with some of their decisions, but instead at the gaming industry, period.

Many folks wondered why the "Vanguard elitists" were so strong in their opposition to anything "WoW" related... well, it's part of the larger story, in my opinion. Gaming has moved out of the closet, away from the geeks, and the gaming geeks want it back.

The next MMO that will be truly revolutionary will have to come from an experienced crew, who go to a smaller producer, and say "hey, we want to make this game. You will make some money... not as much as blizzard or sony, but you'll make some good money if you let us build how we want."

The time of the gamer is over... the time of the assembly line is now.

(Of course, this post is based on the rumour turning out to be true.)

[ikaoma420]

Originally Posted by pablo0713

Why is this still a common misconception? SOE did NOT ruin SWG. Lucasarts did.

Because Star Wars fanbois are the biggest fanbois of them all and they would never admit Lucas could mess anything up. And when you have a target as big as Sony its easy to point finger and go its all THEIR fault. I clearly remember going I'm not that interested in SWG to my friends that were in beta because I thought SOE would mess the game up. No they would tell me LucasArts has a say in the development SOE cant do anything without their consent. SO I guess SOE just flipped Lucas Arts the bird and said F you were making these changes like it or not.

[Cristof]

Originally Posted by Avariel

I think you mean post-cu here.
We lost souls are seeking SWG as it was before SOE messed it up with its dreadful CU and NGE horrors.

Originally Posted by ikaoma420

Because Star Wars fanbois are the biggest fanbois of them all and they would never admit Lucas could mess anything up. And when you have a target as big as Sony its easy to point finger and go its all THEIR fault.

Now see here you generalizing sweeping statement producing nitwit, I may like star wars but I'm willing to concede that LA and SOE were in it together after much research. However Not SOE or LA will admit fault. Whose the blind one there, Mr. Fanboi hater? o.o...so...MEH! <sticks tongue out>

I clearly remember going I'm not that interested in SWG to my friends that were in beta because I thought SOE would mess the game up. No they would tell me LucasArts has a say in the development SOE cant do anything without their consent. SO I guess SOE just flipped Lucas Arts the bird and said F you were making these changes like it or not.

see above o.0

<bows>