[LrgChickenTalon]

1. Fix the dupes
2. Find out who has duped gold (should be easy enough)
3. Ban anyone that has any duped money.
4. Delete all duped money
5. ????
6. Profit


#3 includes those that recieved duped gold in payment for services. In RL (and yes I know Vanguard is a fantasy and real life arguments doen't hold a lot of water, but in RL if your business gets a counterfit bill, the treasury department just takes it and you loose out the money and you will need to go after the person who gave it to you for payment.... which you might get after the government gets done with them... )

[imposter]

Originally Posted by LrgChickenTalon

1. Fix the dupes
2. Find out who has duped gold (should be easy enough)
3. Ban anyone that has any duped money.
4. Delete all duped money
5. ????
6. Profit


#3 includes those that recieved duped gold in payment for services. In RL (and yes I know Vanguard is a fantasy and real life arguments doen't hold a lot of water, but in RL if your business gets a counterfit bill, the treasury department just takes it and you loose out the money and you will need to go after the person who gave it to you for payment.... which you might get after the government gets done with them... )

That would be dreamy, except you assume that those who recieved "duped" gold knew that they were duped in the first place. That fact alone makes your list void. While in real life the treasury can do what you described, and those who are victims are sol. However, Vanguard is a subscriber based game. Doing those things will ultimately end up with cancellations (since according to you even those who did not know the gold they have are duped should be banned as well). Sigil would be better off not listening to you ><

[LrgChickenTalon]

Originally Posted by imposter

That would be dreamy, except you assume that those who recieved "duped" gold knew that they were duped in the first place. That fact alone makes your list void. While in real life the treasury can do what you described, and those who are victims are sol. However, Vanguard is a subscriber based game. Doing those things will ultimately end up with cancellations (since according to you even those who did not know the gold they have are duped should be banned as well). Sigil would be better off not listening to you ><

So you mean to tell me the level 20 had 5 plat for that boat legit?

I'm 36 and I haven't spent more than 2 gold on equipment / items since I started and I only have 7 gold.... That's about 10 gold since the game started. Granted I haven't been trying to make money, but I haven't been spending it like it was going out in style either

[imposter]

Last time I checked, you can have more than 1 character per account in Vanguard. It may surprise you, and I'm sure it does, but some people make alts! Oh my. Perhaps the level 20 with 5 plat actually has a higher level character funding the money? Gee WiZ!

[Multiplex]

If there is a rollback and/or all duped gold suddenly dissapears from the game... then they will have half their subs gone in a day.

[Zaraj]

Originally Posted by LrgChickenTalon

1. Fix the dupes
2. Find out who has duped gold (should be easy enough)
3. Ban anyone that has any duped money.
4. Delete all duped money
...

I doubt the system track the history of every copper
Tracking items, maybe, but tracking money?. Money is a quantity, lack flavour, size of colour. Is like matrix, you can't taste it, but it exist. Theres no spoon.

[Hatto]

Originally Posted by Zaraj

I doubt the system track the history of every copper
Tracking items, maybe, but tracking money?. Money is a quantity, lack flavour, size of colour. Is like matrix, you can't taste it, but it exist. Theres no spoon.

You are very wrong, they most certainly track money transactions. We are not in real life here, where money and items differ. In a virtual world everything is virtual. The very minimum is that they track player to player money transactions, its questionable if they track transactions involving npc due to the amount of data they'd need to store.

[Multiplex]

Originally Posted by Hatto

You are very wrong, they most certainly track money transactions. We are not in real life here, where money and items differ. In a virtual world everything is virtual. The very minimum is that they track player to player money transactions, its questionable if they track transactions involving npc due to the amount of data they'd need to store.

If they tracked transfers extensively enough they would already be banning dupers and they would be going after gold BUYERS with a bit more voracity.

[Hatto]

Originally Posted by Multiplex

If they tracked transfers extensively enough they would already be banning dupers and they would be going after gold BUYERS with a bit more voracity.

Their actions tells little about the data they have. They could have, to pull something out of thin air :P, buisness reasons to do what they do.

[Multiplex]

Originally Posted by Hatto

Their actions tells little about the data they have. They could have, to pull something out of thin air :P, buisness reasons to do what they do.

Perhaps... no one really knows. I still believe that they are completely clueless as to who is doing what. They could have business reasons for not banning gold buyers but I can't think of any good ones for not banning dupers.

[LrgChickenTalon]

I have a slim hope that they can track all the duped money as in EQ 2 they were able to... now whether or not it was implemented in Vanguard....

Like I said a slim hope..

[Vaernimus]

Just have everyone crank their prices up to an utterly extreme expense, and anyone who manages to meet that price gets insta-banned.

But seriously, there is nothing on the cards i'm certain. Even if they are working hard to fix it, i've yet to see a solution that could be implemented swiftly without dire consequences. By the time a solution is implemented (a well thought out solution might I add) the damage may well be irrepairable.

[Multiplex]

Originally Posted by LrgChickenTalon

I have a slim hope that they can track all the duped money as in EQ 2 they were able to... now whether or not it was implemented in Vanguard....

Like I said a slim hope..

If I got a pretty sweet rare from a named mob, put it up on the broker for 50g, and then had it purchased by a gold duper I should get to keep the 50g. I don't know that duper, I didn't do any duping myself... why should I lose my cash for that?

It's the #1 way they could lose subs once they get this problem resolved. If they announced a rollback and found that I had lost currency and/or items because of it would /quit and cancel 30 seconds later.

[LrgChickenTalon]

Originally Posted by Multiplex

If I got a pretty sweet rare from a named mob, put it up on the broker for 50g, and then had it purchased by a gold duper I should get to keep the 50g. I don't know that duper, I didn't do any duping myself... why should I lose my cash for that?

It's the #1 way they could lose subs once they get this problem resolved. If they announced a rollback and found that I had lost currency and/or items because of it would /quit and cancel 30 seconds later.

Oh I never said it would be easy on the people. The problem is massive and a simple pimple popping isn't going to work, going to have to amputate to fix it. A roll back would cause lots of people to quit, a money wipe would cause lots of people to quit. But then new people could come to the game. Do nothing then makes it much harder for new people to come and grow the game....

Doing a roll back would fix the money and item inflation, but would upset the most people. Doing a gold only wipe, would upset a lot of people, but still leaves people with boats / houses that shouldn't have them yet. Also some people may not be able to aford their house / guild house. Lots of people quit though. Doing nothing, causes the least amount of people to quit, but makes it hard for someone new to the game and those who didn't profiteer from it to make it in the game.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Someone's going to have to make the difficult choice. Hope they get paid well for it, cause no matter what they choose its going to make someone unhappy.

[Jammu]

Originally Posted by LrgChickenTalon

Oh I never said it would be easy on the people. The problem is massive and a simple pimple popping isn't going to work, going to have to amputate to fix it. A roll back would cause lots of people to quit, a money wipe would cause lots of people to quit. But then new people could come to the game. Do nothing then makes it much harder for new people to come and grow the game....

Doing a roll back would fix the money and item inflation, but would upset the most people. Doing a gold only wipe, would upset a lot of people, but still leaves people with boats / houses that shouldn't have them yet. Also some people may not be able to aford their house / guild house. Lots of people quit though. Doing nothing, causes the least amount of people to quit, but makes it hard for someone new to the game and those who didn't profiteer from it to make it in the game.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Someone's going to have to make the difficult choice. Hope they get paid well for it, cause no matter what they choose its going to make someone unhappy.

People think there is a place somewhere where every command, every transaction, every action taken by every character on every server in this game scrolls on a monitor. And technicians huddle around and can see that Jammu sent 20 silver and a 14 slot bag to his alt then crashed to desktop. There is no such place. If you know what you are looking for you can flag certain transactions or items or such, but it is impossible to track each and every copper through the economy.

I am one of those players who, by level 31 has 10 gold in the bank lol. I put three stacks of knotted timber out on the broker at less than the going price, and made an outrageous amount of gold on them. Doubling my fortune in about 10 minutes. The local boat maker bought them of course, and sold the boats to low level players for an even more outrageous sum of money. Does this mean I should be banned? Ban the boatmaker? Not unless you want to ban pretty much everyone who plays right now.

The only thing they can do is to first fix the dupes. Then tighten the money supply. Once that is done they can try to set up a report that will flag potential gold buyers and sellers and take some of the money out of the game that way. Then only time will help. If they start now, by relaunch the economy will be on a more even keel and they can loosen up the money supply again for the players just starting out.

Regards,
Jammu

[Earendil]

seems like the fixed it, got a mail from guild seller, and peizes went up 500% was quite happy to see that when i was checking out their prizes on the inet!

[StabbyMcGee]

Originally Posted by Multiplex

If I got a pretty sweet rare from a named mob, put it up on the broker for 50g, and then had it purchased by a gold duper I should get to keep the 50g. I don't know that duper, I didn't do any duping myself... why should I lose my cash for that?

It's the #1 way they could lose subs once they get this problem resolved. If they announced a rollback and found that I had lost currency and/or items because of it would /quit and cancel 30 seconds later.

Deal with it. It needs to be done. Sigil needs to quit sidestepping around the issue of inflation. If a limb has gangrene you need to cut it off before it spreads, it's not pretty but it saves everything else. Same thing (though less bloody and mortally dangerous) with the coin in the game. It needs to be removed, it's going to suck for those that have been selling items to people with obviously duped coin but so what? They'll get over it, if they don't oh well. With a relaunch Vanguard'll make back their subscriptions.

Sigil and SoE I'm sure understand this, and we'll see it put into action soon.

[Labyrrinth]

We've got at least one thread on this topic already

http://www.silkyvenom.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20868

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