[kastickboy]

Well put solymnar well put...

hehe off to drink more!

KA

[Solymnar]

Originally Posted by kastickboy

since ive been drinking since 1pm ill be quick(probably best in this situation! lol)

Comparing HP to the warrior that i ran with i would be happy to see a little +HP on top of the things i was looking for (WIS/VIT/INT/HF whatever upgraded) and he'd laugh at the amount that i was receiving. Granted thats a comparison vs a plate wearer but when i (38 at the time) would state X amount of +HP he said he got that at 20 or less on his armor. i know that medium is probably not as drastic, but im assuming (we know what happens when one assumes) that medium has more HP than light.

KA

The bigger factor is that tanks get more hps naturally than healers...a lot more. That's one of the reasons a true tank > anything else for tanking. Dropped plate will also be oriented more around hps than energy for obvious reasons. Crafted plate for tanks will typically have Str/con/dex powder which automatically grants +hp unless it is over-ridden by another reso.

That said I can garuntee for any +HP there is a tradeoff elsewhere on the armor. Doesn't matter plate/med/light. You just typically see +HP on plate more commonly for the above reasons.

[Racmoor]

Are there so few problems with the Shaman that the class lead looks around picks fights with other classes? If my class lead was doing that...as a bloodmage I would honestly question their motivation and would say. Hey, fix our problems before you go picking fights.

I want my class lead to work on my class and not spend her time worried about someone else. But then, she does do that. She's great. Maybe if the Shaman class lead was as good and as focused as ours they wouldn't be so crabby.

It's always been my experience that when someone can't do something, they'll look around to tear down someone else, so their failures isn't so obvious.

Cas can get upset at my tone all he wants. His insults on his very first response relinquishes any protection he has from someone questioning his professionalism and motivation.

Tobi
37 BMG

[PerritoBites]

Originally Posted by Racmoor

Are there so few problems with the Shaman that the class lead looks around picks fights with other classes?

You clearly don't know what is going on. Instead of assuming things, you should read the shaman boards and see how active he is in our community. Just because he wanted to discuss a BM ability, it doesn't mean he was looking to pick fights OR that he stopped working on the shaman class. MT came into the discussion because Aviar told Cas that buffs weren't supposed to be taken into consideration when calculating returns. (and it does) So, I don't see how people still think the spell is "working as intended".

I want my class lead to work on my class and not spend her time worried about someone else. But then, she does do that. She's great. Maybe if the Shaman class lead was as good and as focused as ours they wouldn't be so crabby.

Again, you clearly don't know how much Work Cas has done for the Shaman community. At the minimum I know Cas checks and posts on our forums on a daily basis. Can you say the same for the BM class lead? Explain to me how Cas is not focusing enough on our class? And what is this stuff about crabby? Are you blaming our class lead for our unhappiness with the class? We have been unhappy with our class long before Cas became our leader. He gave a lot of hope to our class and still does. I don't think you will ever find a class lead that is so active on the community.

It's always been my experience that when someone can't do something, they'll look around to tear down someone else, so their failures isn't so obvious.

You must have some really bad friends. Besides, this game is not about crushing the competition (I guess you could call other classes like that), it is about co-existing and being able to have fun. If you really thing Cas posted on the BLM forums because he wanted to "crush" the class... then you should think again. I am sure that if Cas ever feels like he is not doing any good to the community, he will just quit... not try to bring down his class (or other classes) down with him.

Cas can get upset at my tone all he wants.

So you are purposely doing this to annoy him? That is very nice of you.

[Arglaar]

Originally Posted by Racmoor

Cas can get upset at my tone all he wants. His insults on his very first response relinquishes any protection he has from someone questioning his professionalism and motivation.

Tobi
37 BMG

Perhaps you can point out, in that quote above, which is Cas' very first response in this thread, where he is insulting anyone or anything?

[Solymnar]

Hey racmoor, if you're going to post, at least read enough of the thread to understand where people are coming from so you can contribute in a meaningful way.

"I disagree with Cas's opininion on x and his reasoning y behind it is poor because of z."

is a bit different from calling him an instigator who is not looking after his own class's needs through the proper channels as a priority...which would be pretty damn far off the mark. Had you read a bit and gained perspective from following the trail leading up to this point you would already know this.

If on the flip side you just wanted to troll and throw senseless digs...well then I'm wasting my time and shame on you.

As for why post here at all, the shammy forums were down for a good chunk of time, this became the fallback area for many of us in the mean time. That said its the genral healer forums and most people here have a natural and expected bias and opinion focused on their favored healer of choice. So a bit of conflict here and there and a lot of differing opinions is expected. How people choose to persue things is another matter entirely.

So if you write try to write with purpose and support it. If you are drinking while doing so be smart about it and keep things short so you don't wedge your foot solidly in your mouth. Ka made a good example recently of how to post while drinking. Alternatively you can skip posting entirely and simply focus on enjoying your beverage. After all its not like you can offer us one of what you're having and not sharing while drinking so brazenly in front of others is rude.

[kastickboy]

Originally Posted by Solymnar

Ka made a good example recently of how to post while drinking.

LOL im surprised i was able to use punctuation and spell everything correctly! hahaha

KA

[Arkanciel]

Originally Posted by Gecon

Yes, Blood Mages and Hayatet/Phoenix Shaman can deal a big chunk of dps.

If you play a Rakurr/Wolf Shaman however, those are generalists. They dont get the best in any area, but they get something from everything.

The Wolf shaman is not a generalist, is it supposed to be the healer/offensive fighter hybrid of the defensive caster.

Before Live Update 1, we were at this level.

From now on, we are a fubar class that have been nerf to oblivion. And since then, we are considered generalist (subpar).

And that thing, is surely why you see less and less Wolf Shaman since that time.

At least we got something to crank up our mana effectively, so we can heal-bot has good like the other healers.

But our DPS are something closed to nothing => the worse DPS of all class.

And in that regard, is it really a shame, cause Rakurr was sold to us has a healer/dps class.

Rakurr is a pity and should be revamp has soon as possible, unless SOE don't care about account closing.

Arkanciel
Rakurr Shaman 37 (came back for a 2 month break )
Flamehammer

[Solymnar]

Originally Posted by Arkanciel

The Wolf shaman is not a generalist, is it supposed to be the healer/offensive fighter hybrid of the defensive caster.

Before Live Update 1, we were at this level.

From now on, we are a fubar class that have been nerf to oblivion. And since then, we are considered generalist (subpar).

And that thing, is surely why you see less and less Wolf Shaman since that time.

At least we got something to crank up our mana effectively, so we can heal-bot has good like the other healers.

But our DPS are something closed to nothing => the worse DPS of all class.

And in that regard, is it really a shame, cause Rakurr was sold to us has a healer/dps class.

Rakurr is a pity and should be revamp has soon as possible, unless SOE don't care about account closing.

Arkanciel
Rakurr Shaman 37 (came back for a 2 month break )
Flamehammer

I seriously believe that if the rakurr get intensity back as the buff it was before it got stripped rakurr will be pretty much on par with where they should be.

I believe all shammies should get weapon specilization, this would be the finishing touch imo. If rakurr got intensity back and all shammies got weapon spec. Then turg would be right on par with cleric dps. And rakurr would likely be just a touch higher, not much but enough I feel to fill the bill.

[PerritoBites]

Weapon specialization? Shamans can use what? 3 kinds of weapon?

[Cas]

Originally Posted by PerritoBites

Weapon specialization? Shamans can use what? 3 kinds of weapon?

Five.

[kastickboy]

solymnar, still on your epic quest i see...

KA

[Solymnar]

Originally Posted by kastickboy

solymnar, still on your epic quest i see...

KA

I dissagree, epic quests you can absolutely complete given enough time and resources.

Short of a mind control device there is no way I can garuntee this will happen.

I'd be talking about things for disciples too...except that our class lead apparently fell off a cliff so what's the point?