[fordfanboi]

Originally Posted by Ryngard

I don't think that is asking too much. Additionally my wife has a similar system (though mine is better... for instance she has an AGP card while mine is PCI-e, etc) and we have IDENTICAL FPS. I should be ahead but I'm not.

Are both of those PC's running the same resolution - ie 1280x1024, etc?

If the only difference is Graphic Card interface ( same CPU ) then it may be that the CPU is your bottleneck - so much so that the graphic interface makes no performance difference.

I'd recommend backing up the VGClient.ini on one machine and replacing it with the same file from the other machine. That way you can get a DIRECT comparison of the two PC's and make sure it's a hardware / drivers thing and not a Vanguard config issue.

[Elyan]

epilepdick,

what these good people are trying to tell you is that you CANNOT get good performance from those cards. they were bottom end when they came out... 2 years ago. you cannot really expect to keep up with a next gen game just because your cards play wow!? I got some news for you... nevermind you would probly tell me that it plays morrowind good too. try oblivion and tell me that it should play 1 cause it played the other. work a double or mow someones lawn if you want to keep up with next gen games. if not... go back to wow. don't get mad at these people trying to help you out cause its not what you wanted to hear!

[Faite]

Originally Posted by Ryngard

http://forums.station.sony.com/vg/po...45&topic_id=16

I am in the same boat.

I have a Pentium D 3.0, 2 gig of DDR2 533 ram, GeForce 7600 512mg PCI-e card, X-fi soundcard and I have two options to play...

High Performance with sound on - Outdoors avg 30 FPS, Cities avg 10-15 FPS (at best, it can fluctuate 5 FPS either way)

Balanced with sound off - Outdoors 25-45 FPS (depends on where), Cities avg 10-20 FPS (again, depends on where.

I find this outrageous! The game is playable and I LOVE the game itself. The problem is that while I don't expect to be on maxed settings I would find the following acceptable:

Balanced w/ Sound - Field 40-50 FPS, Cities 20-30 FPS.

I don't think that is asking too much. Additionally my wife has a similar system (though mine is better... for instance she has an AGP card while mine is PCI-e, etc) and we have IDENTICAL FPS. I should be ahead but I'm not.

I've done ALL the tweaks. I've done EVERYTHING suggested and the ONLY thing that changes FPS is turning off sound and/or going to HIGHEST performance.

LOL, yea but the thing is, we feel its your card.

If you would read what the kind people, including myself have said, is there is a budget way out of this, get 7600gs or gt.

Noone is assuming you are made out of money but like me with my 9700pro, you just can't make it work no matter what you do with vanguard. Sure the card ran it, sure it ran it at 5fps and I was miserable in game all the time.

I spent VERY LITTLE MONEY on upgrading to a cheesey x1300XGE (not pro) and I am now happily running Vanguard.

Did I listen to those saying the x1300 was not my best choice? No but I did go ahead and listen to the guy who said the pro was not the best model of it and got the XGE and i also did not get mad at anyone who offered contrary advice to what I wanted to hear.

You can bang your head on the wall a lot, or you can get new cards :P

Up to you!! Im done. (and I have kids so don't go there with me on diapers heh)

(ps with my nice middle of the lower road x1300XGE I am now running Vanguard on my older PC with 20 to 30 fps in almost all places even in towns, there are occasional towns that lag it up but not many anymore, this is a great card but for anyone who cares its the Visiontek XGE not the run of the mill x1300 so dont go buying a plain ol ' x1300 and think you will get the same results)

[Ryngard]

Originally Posted by Faite

LOL, yea but the thing is, we feel its your card.

If you would read what the kind people, including myself have said, is there is a budget way out of this, get 7600gs or gt.

I think you misquoted... I have the 7600...

Originally Posted by fordfanboi

Are both of those PC's running the same resolution - ie 1280x1024, etc?

Nope... I'm on 1186x968 (or whatever that one is) and she is at 1074x728 (or whatever it is... I can't keep em straight, lol).


So if everyone thinks its the cards (We both have GeForce 7600GS 512 cards, mine is PCI-e and hers is AGP) do you have a suggestion as to what to replace them with?

Thanks!

[fordfanboi]

Originally Posted by Ryngard

I think you misquoted... I have the 7600...



Nope... I'm on 1186x968 (or whatever that one is) and she is at 1074x728 (or whatever it is... I can't keep em straight, lol).


So if everyone thinks its the cards (We both have GeForce 7600GS 512 cards, mine is PCI-e and hers is AGP) do you have a suggestion as to what to replace them with?

Thanks!

That explains why she sees similar frame rates. She's running at a lower resolution. She's moving 25,165,824 bits at 1024x768x32 and at 1152x864x32? you're moving 31,850,496. That means she's only moving 79% of what you are.

Maybe someone else can chime in on an economical replacement. I haven't really researched which is the best bang for the buck today.

[Ryngard]

Originally Posted by fordfanboi

That explains why she sees similar frame rates. She's running at a lower resolution. She's moving 25,165,824 bits at 1024x768x32 and at 1152x864x32? you're moving 31,850,496. That means she's only moving 79% of what you are.

Maybe someone else can chime in on an economical replacement. I haven't really researched which is the best bang for the buck today.

I should mention that I did go to that same rex and its the same. That's why I went ahead and bumped it up a little.

Well if anyone has any suggestions in the $100-150 range that'll DEFINATELY fix our problem I'd appreciate any suggestions.

[fordfanboi]

Originally Posted by Ryngard

I should mention that I did go to that same rex and its the same. That's why I went ahead and bumped it up a little.

To me, that indicates a pegged CPU. If it were me, I'd o/c my CPU and see if my frame rates increased, and if so I'd update my CPU first... but in your case I wouldn't recommend running those tests since it's your wallet - not mine! I was running an AMD 64 3200+ and saw the same trouble you did - a very minor increase in FPS by dropping res and a very small increase in FPS by moving to a second 7900GT card in SLI mode. My GPU loading was low, so I o/c'd my CPU and found major improvements. After that I snagged an AMD 64 FX-55 and am living happily ever after. haha

[Elyan]

Originally Posted by Ryngard

I should mention that I did go to that same rex and its the same. That's why I went ahead and bumped it up a little.

Well if anyone has any suggestions in the $100-150 range that'll DEFINATELY fix our problem I'd appreciate any suggestions.

vanguard does rely heavily on your hardware. cpu and gpu. the 7800 is in the 150 range for agp and pcie. check out newegg.com you might be able to get a good deal on a 7900. BUT if your frame rates are the same in both the settings you tried, then it might be the processors that are restricting you.

[Vengeful]

Originally Posted by Epileptick

I can't believe how many times I neeed to say that I don't want to hear I need another card - and that I want help with my current card.

You people actually think I don't believe you that my 7300GT isn't as good as a 7800? I am not sure what you guys think this forum post was even about, but im pretty sure most of you need to read my original posts as well as the others, so that you understand how much time your wasting.

I KNOW my 7300GT isn't as good as cards higher than it. I KNOW Sli isn't compatible. Whoever here wants to disregard my asking for help in a completely unrelated topic just to say that I need another video card because it's not THE BEST (which is completely irrelivant considering IF SLI WAS COMPATIBLE I WOULDN'T BE HAVING A PROBLEM), well you can go buy me one. Send me a private message and ill give you my address, and you can send me an $800 dollar 8800, and while your add it you can buy my kid some diapers, because they are starting to become expensive as well.

You know how to tell somone who is good with tech support and has a good amount of knowledge in computers from a person who doesn't? The people who know what they are talking about give solutions to people. They don't say "Go buy a better computer". That is a response from somone who doesn't know how to answer me original question.

I don't mean to be rude to you guys, but I am here looking for help and your posts pretty much ruined my chances of getting good help because your distorting the topic of the post with your garbage.

PLEASE don't waste everyones time by posting if you don't know any answers.

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Fordfanboi: Sorry for the big ugly post before I addressed you, I appricate you being the only person here actually trying to help me. Also that screen shot was great help, thank you for going out of your way like that.

Only I am not sure I have the same drivers as you. Or perhaps the wording of that setting is different. I have the options of setting "Single GPU rendering, Multi GPU rendering, or Antialiasing Rendering" - I tried all those settings and still the game runs better on single with SLI totally off.

I got theses cards and the driver CD's in November, so they are the most recent, and I downloaded the most recent on the NVIDIA website just to be sure....but no avail.

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Again people please don't waste my time and ruin this thread anymore. If you people even read my posts you would see that your telling me to get a new videocard when I have the same frames as everyone else. This post is about getting MOOOOOOORE frames. There is no way you people are going to change my mind, and buy a new card any faster than I already would. Don't post unless you know how to give me more frames with what I have.

Jesus Christ....

What we are trying to tell you is that, with that card....that is the best FPS you can hope for with this game. Your card is bottlenecking your performance and there isn't any way to get around sub-par hardware except for....new hardware.

You can try to optimize your windows, remove spyware, adjust your page file and all that junk...but the bottom line is you've got a bottle neck and it looks, smells, and tastes like a Nvidia 7300.

[Ryngard]

Okay. So you are saying I should go from

PCI-e System
This: http://www.newegg.com/product/produc...82E16814145132 to This: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814136002 or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...bCategory =48

AGP System
This: http://www.newegg.com/product/produc...82E16814150166 to This: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...2E16814161071?

Any estimate as to how much this would help?

Thanks for the advice.

[fordfanboi]

You posted some Radeon links in there. /yuck

IMHO, the LAST thing you should do is get a Radeon. Their drivers are teh suq. Stick with NVidia. I made the switch once, and swore I'd never do it again - no matter how much faster they were. Bit me in the ass last time - no reason it wouldn't again.

[fordfanboi]

Originally Posted by Vengeful

What we are trying to tell you is that, with that card....that is the best FPS you can hope for with this game. Your card is bottlenecking your performance and there isn't any way to get around sub-par hardware except for....new hardware.

You can try to optimize your windows, remove spyware, adjust your page file and all that junk...but the bottom line is you've got a bottle neck and it looks, smells, and tastes like a Nvidia 7300.

He asked for more FPS, and I'm potentially giving him just that, without spending more $$$. I believe he knows that it's not the best, but it never hurts to squeeze every last drop out of the canteen until you find the next watering hole.

The guys with $6000 machines are doing it too!

[Ryngard]

Unfortunately I can't find a better nvidia card for AGP than the 7600. For the PCIe system I'm leaning toward the nvidia card but I'd like an opinion on whether its worth it for more FPS.

[Faite]

just a note to mustang man (hehe i used to have a 1868 sport:P) , ATI has always done really well for me.

Ryngard not sure on your budget but the 1900's go up to agp and so do , i think, some of the nvidias...dont the 7800's?

[Ryngard]

Originally Posted by Faite

just a note to mustang man (hehe i used to have a 1868 sport:P) , ATI has always done really well for me.

Ryngard not sure on your budget but the 1900's go up to agp and so do , i think, some of the nvidias...dont the 7800's?

I think I can get a 7800 256... would that be better than the 1950 512?? I wouldn't think so... right?

[Jacosta]

Originally Posted by fordfanboi

You posted some Radeon links in there. /yuck

IMHO, the LAST thing you should do is get a Radeon. Their drivers are teh suq. Stick with NVidia. I made the switch once, and swore I'd never do it again - no matter how much faster they were. Bit me in the ass last time - no reason it wouldn't again.

Just a quick FYI for ya. Radeon cards have far fewer problems and better performance in Vanguard then Nvidia cards. Also ATI is now owned by AMD, so expect the drivers to be updated quite frequently now.

[Faite]

Originally Posted by Jacosta

Just a quick FYI for ya. Radeon cards have far fewer problems and better performance in Vanguard then Nvidia cards. Also ATI is now owned by AMD, so expect the drivers to be updated quite frequently now.

Im not sure but I love ATI, never had issues AT ALL and in fact my 9700pro ran Vanguard just not great. My new ATI runs it like a dream (x1300xge)

[fordfanboi]

Originally Posted by Jacosta

Also ATI is now owned by AMD, so expect the drivers to be updated quite frequently now.

Heard the same song and dance when the DirectX guru from Microsoft joined ATI. A year later I caved and the 9700 Pro I snagged caused intermittant reboots, even just sitting on the desktop ( went through their tech support - nothing they could do till a driver update ). 3 months later they finally came out with a driver that didn't reboot.

I've been sour on ATI since their Mach64 line that I wrote drivers for way back when ( QNXOS - X11R5 ).

That's my history and I'm sticking to it.

[jaivier]

I have a question about a new graphics card I am considering. I was looking on Newegg and read the reviews about the 8800 GTS and 8800 GTX and wondered if it would be okay to go with the GTS for purposes of running VG and other games in the foreseeable future or should I wait and save for the GTX? They listed an EVGA 8800 GTS for about 389 while the GTX from the same manufacturer were about 650. Is there that much of a difference between the two cards? Also, which brand is generally considered the best/worst? There is a considerable price difference between the hi's and lo's of each model. (up to 800 bucks for a BFG GTX!?).

Lastly, will getting an 8800 GTS show a significant frame rate difference between the 7800 GT that I am currently running?

My computer specs are, roughly:

AMD 3500+ (2.2 ghz)
2.5 megs RAM
bazillion meg HD

As for my current performance, I am currently getting about 25-35 in the country running on balanced/high quality with occasional lags down into the teens if running on high. Balanced is usually satisfactory until I get into the cities (particularly Tanvu). Last night I was playing and was on 'high performance' in the city and was still getting about 10fps. it was bordering on ridiculous. Is my problem a bottleneck somewhere, or my card, or what?

Thanks for the help!

J

[Epileptick]

First thing:

Fordfanboi - you are the man. Period. You need to pat yourself on the back.

I managed to find the proper drivers to get those options that you were talking about to force Sli to alternating frames. Not only did I mess with that option but I went through ever single option and after each try I started vanguard and wrote down the average FPS. It took about an hour but MAN was it worth it.

I now get 30 - 40 frames with (equivilant too) balanced settings. The reason I say equivilant too is because I tweak every setting in there as well, but the frames are about the same in balanced.

I hope everyone with Sli 7300GT's or similar setups read this post. I hope all the morons who act like they know everything, just because they tell everyone to get a better videocard when they don't know the answers to questions also read this.

Just stop and think for a second before you guys spill that crap on somone else who is asking for help. Could you imagine what a retard I would have been to take the advice from 99% of the people here? I would be out almost 1000$ (considering I settled for a 7900 and wasn't able to sell the two cards I just bought a few months ago....which I wouldn't be able too), and the funniest part is that I WOULD NOT get better frames than what I have now.

I have talked to many many people to see what frames they get and I don't know anyone who doesn't have a 8800 who get that much better than me now.

Lets just say for arguement sake that somone with a 7900 got 5 - 10 more frames than I get now, do you idiots still think thats worth 1000 dollars?!

Thanks again fordfanboi, I can't really extend my thanks enough. I was really lucky to have you come across my post. If you didn't I would have made some huge mistakes.

- Epi