[Melios]

Originally Posted by Aruspex - SGO

As has been related, your Young Courier Horse is an upgradable mount as you gain skill in Diplomacy. At skill 200 you will soon be able to upgrade your horse to a rank 2 courier horse (5% slower than rank 2 storebought), and skill 300 you will be able to upgrade to a rank 3 courier horse.

Rank 4 and 5 are also in the works, but we're not ready to talk about those yet.

For those of you who ditched your Courier Horse, a replacement will be offered if you meet the conditions for it.

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So could we get an upgrade to wyrm mount at rank 5?

[runelynx]

Originally Posted by Aruspex - SGO

As has been related, your Young Courier Horse is an upgradable mount as you gain skill in Diplomacy. At skill 200 you will soon be able to upgrade your horse to a rank 2 courier horse (5% slower than rank 2 storebought), and skill 300 you will be able to upgrade to a rank 3 courier horse.

Rank 4 and 5 are also in the works, but we're not ready to talk about those yet.

For those of you who ditched your Courier Horse, a replacement will be offered if you meet the conditions for it.

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Not to be rude, but is there anything in this game that isn't "in the works" ??

You guys have a "in the works" list 3 miles long, and yet you're still working on clearing out the initial bugs.

I can play Vanguard right now and have a good time; it's just very irritating to see VG devs posting everywhere "in the works" with regard to every single feature that players ask about.

I guess Sigil didn't get the memo that VG released 2 weeks ago? Odd that release 2 weeks left half the game "in the works".

[Phaethor]

Originally Posted by Aruspex - SGO

As has been related, your Young Courier Horse is an upgradable mount as you gain skill in Diplomacy. At skill 200 you will soon be able to upgrade your horse to a rank 2 courier horse (5% slower than rank 2 storebought), and skill 300 you will be able to upgrade to a rank 3 courier horse.

Rank 4 and 5 are also in the works, but we're not ready to talk about those yet.

For those of you who ditched your Courier Horse, a replacement will be offered if you meet the conditions for it.

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This is still a very sad excuse. Either you treat Diplomacy at the same level as other aspects of the game or might as well as remove it.

I've been busting butt to work on this quest got up to level 40 now and people are telling me just spend the 12S and forget the horse. By the time you get to 200 skill in diplomacy and the quest you'll have to end up doing to upgrade your horse to a tier 2 you could have saved enough cash from adventuring to buy a tier 4 or 5 from the stables.

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Player: “What is the Diplomacy Horse good for anyway? Will I be able to keep up with my group?”
Aruspex: “No, Player. I’m telling you that with the Diplomacy Horse, you won’t be able to.”
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[Melios]

Originally Posted by runelynx

Not to be rude, but is there anything in this game that isn't "in the works" ??

You guys have a "in the works" list 3 miles long, and yet you're still working on clearing out the initial bugs.

I can play Vanguard right now and have a good time; it's just very irritating to see VG devs posting everywhere "in the works" with regard to every single feature that players ask about.

I guess Sigil didn't get the memo that VG released 2 weeks ago? Odd that release 2 weeks left half the game "in the works".

You thought they weren't going to add any new content after launch?

[Moob]

Originally Posted by Aruspex - SGO

At skill 200 you will soon be able to upgrade your horse to a rank 2 courier horse (5% slower than rank 2 storebought), and skill 300 you will be able to upgrade to a rank 3 courier horse.

Why does it have to be slower? Is diplomacy too easy to warrant a full speed horse? Well, I guess you do make money at the same time. Is that money comparable to the other two spheres?

[Rowain deWolf]

Originally Posted by runelynx

Not to be rude, but is there anything in this game that isn't "in the works" ??

You guys have a "in the works" list 3 miles long, and yet you're still working on clearing out the initial bugs.

I can play Vanguard right now and have a good time; it's just very irritating to see VG devs posting everywhere "in the works" with regard to every single feature that players ask about.

I guess Sigil didn't get the memo that VG released 2 weeks ago? Odd that release 2 weeks left half the game "in the works".

They had to release earlier than they wanted because they had run out of money. They would have liked to work a month or 2 longer before release but they had to go live now.

PS. Thats not my assumption that was said by Brad McQuaid (CEO of Sigil) himself.

[Rowain deWolf]

Originally Posted by Moob

Why does it have to be slower? Is diplomacy too easy to warrant a full speed horse? Well, I guess you do make money at the same time. Is that money comparable to the other two spheres?

Because it does not cost any money.

Originally Posted by Phaethor

This is still a very sad excuse. Either you treat Diplomacy at the same level as other aspects of the game or might as well as remove it.

If they treet Diplomacy at the same lvl you would have to pay 12s50c for your horse an option you still have.

[Daelos]

Originally Posted by Rowain deWolf

Because it does not cost any money.

Since in-game money isn't real, the only actual currency that is involved with attaining any item in Vanguard is time invested.

The Horse quest takes time. A lot of time.

So: When you claim it does't cost any money, you are missing the point that there are significant costs associated with it, no less than with a "normal" T1 horse.

[Rowain deWolf]

Originally Posted by Daelos

Since in-game money isn't real, the only actual currency that is involved with attaining any item in Vanguard is time invested.

The Horse quest takes time. A lot of time.

So: When you claim it does't cost any money, you are missing the point that there are significant costs associated with it, no less than with a "normal" T1 horse.

Thats a joke right ? right? Cause if not you show a profund lack of knowleddge about the adventuring sphere. Besides as a Diplomat you additional get a 12 slot bag for free and a Saddlebag too. Both items a adventurer does not get.
The time an adventurer needs to earn the additional money required for the horse and the bag is by large amount more then a Diplomat needs.

[Daelos]

Originally Posted by Rowain deWolf

Thats a joke right ?

It was not a joke. As to the rest of your post, I won't bother to reply. I have a rule for myself that I don't bother debating with people who use insults where none are necessary.

[Rowain deWolf]

Originally Posted by Daelos

It was not a joke. As to the rest of your post, I won't bother to reply. I have a rule for myself that I don't bother debating with people who use insults where none are necessary.

So despite your rule you do answer but do not bother to answer the valid points.
Ok I accept that you seeked a cheap way out so good luck on your adventures and have fun in the world of Telon despite the fact that your free Horse is slower than a Horse one paid for.

[Phaethor]

I spent several hours doing diplomacy. I went to the vendor to sell my hard earned goods and got a little over 2 1/2sp.

I then went and picked up a few Adventuring quests (Some of these quests had rewards of 1sp +). In 30 minutes I was back in town cashing in and gained more than another 8s.

The time invested in Diplomacy and Adventuring is not even remotely comparable.

If Person A puts all their time into Adventuring and Person B puts all their time into Diplomacy. Over the same amount of time Person A will have more money, be higher level and have better gear than Person B.

Phae

[ThreadKiller]

Originally Posted by Phaethor

I spent several hours doing diplomacy. I went to the vendor to sell my hard earned goods and got a little over 2 1/2sp.

I then went and picked up a few Adventuring quests (Some of these quests had rewards of 1sp +). In 30 minutes I was back in town cashing in and gained more than another 8s.

The time invested in Diplomacy and Adventuring is not even remotely comparable.

If Person A puts all their time into Adventuring and Person B puts all their time into Diplomacy. Over the same amount of time Person A will have more money, be higher level and have better gear than Person B.

Phae

I agree, I think some balancing is needed in terms of reward.

[DarkProdigyX]

Of course some day I hope there will be some super-awesome service that all the adventuring types will have to pay an arm and a leg for us diplomats to take care of, much in the manner of buying a house/ship from a crafter. Buwahahah.

Would be cool if diplomats were necessary to negotiate buying your plot contract and in turn a good one could lower your price... or if diplomats were a necessity to form player-built cities and the like. Or better yet, if a high-level diplomat with a ton of diplomatic prestige in a city could literally sell a small ammount of faction points to another player, by "convincing" local guards not to KOS that person, haha.

[ThreadKiller]

Originally Posted by DarkProdigyX

Of course some day I hope there will be some super-awesome service that all the adventuring types will have to pay an arm and a leg for us diplomats to take care of, much in the manner of buying a house/ship from a crafter. Buwahahah.

Would be cool if diplomats were necessary to negotiate buying your plot contract and in turn a good one could lower your price... or if diplomats were a necessity to form player-built cities and the like. Or better yet, if a high-level diplomat with a ton of diplomatic prestige in a city could literally sell a small ammount of faction points to another player, by "convincing" local guards not to KOS that person, haha.

or negotiate your way into a great dungeon....oh the possibilities.

[Aruspex - SGO]

Originally Posted by DarkProdigyX

Of course some day I hope there will be some super-awesome service that all the adventuring types will have to pay an arm and a leg for us diplomats to take care of, much in the manner of buying a house/ship from a crafter. Buwahahah.

Would be cool if diplomats were necessary to negotiate buying your plot contract and in turn a good one could lower your price... or if diplomats were a necessity to form player-built cities and the like. Or better yet, if a high-level diplomat with a ton of diplomatic prestige in a city could literally sell a small ammount of faction points to another player, by "convincing" local guards not to KOS that person, haha.

Diplomats will be vital to the day to day functioning of a player city.

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[DuckOfDeath]

Originally Posted by Phaethor

I spent several hours doing diplomacy. I went to the vendor to sell my hard earned goods and got a little over 2 1/2sp.

I then went and picked up a few Adventuring quests (Some of these quests had rewards of 1sp +). In 30 minutes I was back in town cashing in and gained more than another 8s.

The time invested in Diplomacy and Adventuring is not even remotely comparable.

If Person A puts all their time into Adventuring and Person B puts all their time into Diplomacy. Over the same amount of time Person A will have more money, be higher level and have better gear than Person B.

Phae

You cant compare them. Vanguard is developed as a three tier leveling system where each can be played or not played at the players disgression. Just because you can make a ton of gold adventuring doesnt mean you should make the same amount crafting or using diplomacy. And yeah of course player A will have a higher adventuring level but he wont have a higher diplomacy level.

However I do believe they did bork the xp system. You see adventurers slowly gain xp from kills but they get a huge gain from turning in quests. On the other hand diplomacy and crafting only have the slow gain from individual parleys or craftings and do not get any extra benefit from quests. That is basically the only reason that leveling diplomacy and crafting is slower. I think if completing diplomacy quests and crafting quests would give you boosts to leveling those tiers of play it wouldnt be seen as such a grind compared to adventuring.

Anyway getting back to the point of the horse. I dont really think the speed of the horse is a problem. Sure its a bit slower to start off but hey its free. You are always free to go buy the faster one. Plus like others have said you get some other pretty nice rewards along with the free horse. Bottom line: dont look a free gift horse in the mouth.

[Matuse]

So, in the last patch, store-bought horses, in addition to being 5% faster, were also given an innate +20 stability.

It's like they are trying to force people to not do diplomacy.

[ThreadKiller]

Originally Posted by Matuse

So, in the last patch, store-bought horses, in addition to being 5% faster, were also given an innate +20 stability.

It's like they are trying to force people to not do diplomacy.

with the exception that the store bought horse is static...that's it, doesn't get any better, you have to buy a new faster one when you get tot the next level......whereas the diplo horse gets better as you level your diplo....there is a difference.

[Matuse]

Straight comparison between the quested horse and the 12 silver horse (and not even including that in the time it takes you to do the diplomacy tutorial, and both quests, you could earn probably 5 times the cost of the 12 silver horse, and buy some 8-slot saddlebags, with about 3 hours to spare, while getting faction, XP, and gear upgrades too).

Do you really think that the 200 skill quest horse is going to compare with the 3 gold bought horse? 5% slower, and 30% less stability probably?

Of course, that assumes the 200 skill horse quest is even in the game yet. Being willing to discuss them and having them in the game are not the same thing.

At skill 200 you will soon be able to upgrade

Soon be able = can not now. 3 gold horses are can-now. Plus of course, you can sell them back to an NPC once you upgrade, and make a good sized chunk of your money back.

Also, if the Tier 4 and 5 mounts require more than 300 diplomacy (obvious, since that's what the tier3 mount needs), where do you obtain this skill? The highest skill NPC I've seen was 300. Parlaying against them will get you up to what, 320 or so?

How do you even GET to the 400/500 the next tiers will need?