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Originally Posted by Alannah-Shidreth
I don't think you're trying to hide anything. If I were to take a guess it's just disinterest in trying to find out why the statistics don't jive with the claimed rate of drop.
Below is a list of every recipe taken off of www.vanguardsoh.com. I also added in the ones that don't have the word "recipe" in them but drop in the appropriate tiers. How is this not 25% for blacksmith recipes? If it isn't there are recipes that still have not been discovered since the game's inception (I have been playing since the final beta and a blacksmith since day 1 of live).
Yes, perhaps the rate isn't 25% if you take into account whatever else you've added to that table to fluff it up so that the statistical chance of drop is actually lower. It still doesn't change the actual chances at all when we are only taking recipes into account.
If I told you toss a 6-sided die 100 times and ignore all even numbers because we're only looking for odd numbers then you would still have a 50% chance to get an odd number and a 50% chance to be forced to reroll. This gives us 100% chance of getting an odd number (go figure). We don't care about the rerolls (heroic tools, rare/ur resources, dusts, and whatever else is used to fluff the tables and make recipes more rare). We only care about what remains, odd numbers (recipes). Of what is left there is still only a 33% chance to get any one of the specific odd numbers on a 6-sided die. 1, 3 and 5. If we are looking for only the chance to roll a 1, then we compare the chances of getting one of the other two - .66. The chances of rolling only 3 and 5 and not getting a 1 are (.66)^(# of times in a row).
It is inconsequential whether or not there are other things on this drop table - it doesn't change the rate of drop when compared to each other. I have not received any other recipes at pyrite level than the ones listed and I've never heard a report that anyone else has either.
If the drop rate is equal for recipes of a given tier, I should have turned up 3.75 embersteel horseshoe recipes over the given statistical sample space of 15. I only got one. Searching the server's market yields gads of Pyrite Weapon and Pyrite Armor upgrade recipes, no shoes, no runes. If all those people that turned up all those recipes sold any extras they'd had then there should be several copies of those too because they'd stagnate on the market until a buyer came along that had a use for them. Just as the weapon and armor recipes are stagnating now.
Just because you put it in the tables and it should be an equal chance to drop doesn't mean there isn't a problem elsewhere - probably in the code and not in the database - that is affecting drop rates beyond just the simple statistics involved in putting something in a table (or on the face of a die). The problem could be tied to specific outposts, but it might not be. The chances that what happened to me would happen to someone else should be pretty slim, but it's not. Others have reported exactly the same thing. Unless we're all in that abysmal 2%  .
There is no way of us knowing because nothing about the way that any of this works has been communicated. All we can do is compile large sample sizes and talk statistics.
Blacksmith (4)
Embersteel Horseshoe Recipe 31
Pyrite Runes 33
Pyrite Armor Upgrade Recipe 34
Pyrite Weapon Upgrade Recipe 34
Outfitter (6)
Coarse Leather Talismans 33
Silkbloom Armor Upgrade Recipe 34
Coarse Leather Armor Upgrade Recipe 34
Initiate Cloth Crafting Gear Upgrade Recipe 34
Initiate Leather Crafting Gear Upgrade Recipe 34
Coarse Leather Weapon Upgrade Recipe 34
Mineralogist (6)
Limestone Carvings 33
Jade Jewelry Upgrade Recipe 34
Limestone Focus Upgrade Recipe 34
Limestone Weapon Upgrade Recipe 34
Knotted Wood Focus Upgrade Recipe 34
Knotted Wood Weapon Upgrade Recipe 34 |
As I have stated several times the only things on recipe table are recipes. Regardless of what you should have received in most cases, that does not change the fact that it is indeed possible to not receive the item hence the term chance to drop. There is not a problem with the rate it has been checked. Every time someone asks about drop rates I go into game and I check them and funny enough they work, if they dont I fix them and let the community know.
In this case all I can say is that they work fine. I have sat here and tested them over and over and there is nothing wrong with the tables, or the code. Short of you coming into this office and seeing me actually test it that is all I can offer you, the drop rate is fine and it is not being altered.
What more do you want communicated, the rules on recipe drops have been posted here several times.
5 item work orders
Supply kits only
Chance to roll on recipe table
Recipe table has only recipes on it
All recipes have the same percentage chance to drop from that table
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Originally Posted by Neoyoda
Jansan you are correct and im sorry for doubting your word. Ultra rare hides do indeed drop. They are indeed harvested. T6 hides are also harvestable. I will not tell which mobs and where the mobs are that drop these.
I will give a small hint though. I was lookin for one of these to kill since the game started. The mob i found i attempted to solo, i killed the 5 dot. Then after lootin some cash loot the harvest curser popped up. My first thought ws hey this could be something special. Well we harvest and and low and behold 2.5 pristine hides. My eyes gleemed with joy. There happened to be two more of these special mobs, i killed them and the other one netted 2.5 pristine and the other gave out 2.0 supple. After having a 6 man party harvest this for a week straight the amount of pristine we had was unreal.
These mobs are not your average mobs, they respawn rather quickly. To my knowledge they are the only ones on the game of there kind and you all have seen one of these mobs at least once. The most coveted secret of any kind.
Good luck all and there is hope yet, just solve my riddle and the hides are yours. Act fast or when they change skinning i fear the loot tables will change for these mobs.
And noone bother askin me what these are, i WILL NOT tell
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I do not have time for riddles, could you please tell me what mob you are referring too as it sounds like it may be bugged. |
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Originally Posted by Alannah-Shidreth
I never asked for the rate to be changed, I asked that whatever is causing this recipe not to drop at the 25% rate that was claimed to be fixed.
Simple statistics and probability tells us that if all recipe drops are at an equal rate, for blacksmiths at pyrite level this means we have a 25% chance that any recipe that drops will be Embersteel Horseshoes. There are four recipes: Pyrite Weapon, Pyrite Armor, Embersteel Horseshoes and Pyrite Runes.
I got 14 pyrite recipes (only 1 was runes, BTW, which is also fudged). The statistical chance that I would get 14 recipes in a row that were not the one I was grinding for is (.75)^14. This comes out to 0.018 or about 2% chance that I could get that many recipes in a row before getting the one I wanted.
This means that for all of you out there that got 14 recipes (yeah, right) before obtaining this recipe, 98.2% of you would have gotten it before me. One other player posted exactly the same set of results that I had from an entirely different server from me.
I will still stand by my assertion that there is something broken with this drop rate if it is supposed to be equal to the rate of drops for other recipes. I am not asking for an increase in the rate, I am pointing out a flaw in the statistics that should be addressed.
If the rate is supposed to be lower, admit to it. If it's not supposed to be lower, fix it.
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The rate is equal for all recipes on a given table. While it is statistically unlikely for you to have such a streak it is still possible. There is nothing broken and they have the same drop chance as anything else. If you cant take me for my word then I guess you will just continue to think I am trying to hide something. Of course why I would want hide anything related to this is beyond me but believe what you want the way it is set up now is not changing.
P.S. Your guess of 25% is actually low. The last time anything was touched in regards to that loot table was March 12th when they were added to the loot table after we discovered they had somehow never been attached. |
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Got a chance to take care of some quick bugs today in between meetings.
OPEN ISSUES
COMPLICATIONS
T5 Flawless Work Comp lists High Quality for all actions, Jaradis=24388 (Fixed)
T5 Flawless Work Comp 250 AP action adds 0 Quality, Jaradis=24388 (Cannot Reproduce)
T5 Damaged Anvil duration does not reset after clearing, velk=24527 (Cannot Reproduce)
Comp Smoke, 25AP fix requires 1 utility but does not name the utility, Monru=24553 (Fixed)
Refining T4 Minor Slip Up does not consume utilities when correcting, FLLonewulf=24635 (Cannot Reproduce)
Slight Imperfection remedy Focus tooltip described as High Reduc, suppose to be Low, fussel=24683 (Fixed)
60AP remedies not updating action sets properly, velk=24732 (Not sure what this means)
Careful Sculpting does not act according to its description, DuckOfDeath=24790 (Need more info)
Comp "Hasty Work" lists Stoker as required tool but uses Rigging Tools, ZephyrBlade=25220 (Fixed)
WORK ORDERS
Batch of Coarse Reptile Pelts tries to table Silkbloom Bales, Saleani=25094 (Cannot Reproduce)
Batch of (Hardwood?) Finishing Tables from Fishers' Pen seems unusually difficult, Linolea=25163 (They function no differently then other work orders)
Broken items being given as rewards, pangelo=25171 (More Info)
DECONSTRUCTION
multiple items deconing incorrectly for their level and rarity, =24503 (Fixed)
Xennu Mind Shard not being recognized by decon recipe, Oberan=24419 (Fixed)
Royal Leggings of Zihurr not recognized by decon recipe, Striefe=24535 (Fixed)
Graystone Walkers are not recognized for decon, durango=24630 (Fixed)
Resonating shards/crstals of defense have large decon rate compared to others, Finnister=24698 (Not a bug)
No common non-crafted focus items in game to be deconned, Finnster=25142 (they are being added as we can. There were already a few put on the tables a month or so ago)
ARTISAN RECIPES
Refining tool skill is listed on a tool action instead of a finishing tool skill, Roses=24626 (Need more info)
Sandstone Carving of Destruction grants water breathing, Gearsn=24752 (Fixed)
Reso Shard of Healing Dispersion adding incorrect effect, Quaf=25006 (Fixed)
Resonating Powder of Sorcery does not table with Dry Wood Focus, Dravid=25097 (Fixed)
Evened Tooling may have incorrect description or appears in wrong action set, Quaf=25185 (Fixed)
BLACKSMITH RECIPES
Superior Spirited Longsword of Accuracy missing endurance regen, Moonblaze=24397 (Fixed)
T5 horseshoe recipe is labeled "Adamantine" but uses truesilver, Lucavi=24450 (Fixed)
Matter Infused Reinforced Ribbings not recognized by any recipe, crocopots=24477 (Not a bug)
Attuning Crystals of Brilliance will not table, Madeline=24518 (Cannot reproduce)
Sage's Parrying Martial Sword of Hexes results in unusable item, Wiking=24543 (Unusable item from what?)
Unable to use Resonating Crystals of Recovery on Qalian Mithril Chest Plating recipe, ahara=20070
Cavalier's Hammer of Striking results in misshapen metal, Rakhan=24600 (Misshapen metal from what?)
Focusing Crystals of Pain will not focus "Small Hilts", Axem Ebonlore=25210
OUTFITTER RECIPES
T5 Barding is mislabled on the final product, Ossianis=24383 (Mislabeled how?)
Journeyman crafting cloth upgrades require 2 rare bales when recipe says 1, Jaradis=24418 (Fixed)
T5 cloaks listed as initiate in item description, durango=24680 (Fixed)
T5 Crafting Gear upgrade recipe uses 3 rares instead of the labeled 2, Shag24953 (Fixed)
MISC ISSUES
tools not always recognized when performing action, leonides=24400 (fixed)
Place holder for a manual mob delivers a -1000 faction hit upon death, Alannah-Shidreth=24501 (fixed)
Saddle Bags not showing slot numbers, darury=24511 (Fixed)
Tool action reads quality penalty when its a quality bonus, yasmin=24519 (Which one?)
+ to regen on weapons does not increase with upgrades, Rakhan=24580 (not a bug)
Resonating Crystals of the Assasin list craft level as apprentice works correctly though, Finnster=24654 (Fixed)
Crafting Actions showing up out of order, doozer=24145 (Is continually fixed)
Carving of Reflection does not work, Fulgore=25102 (Fixed)
Dmg listed on thrown weapons does not give additional dmg to ranged attacks, velk=25090 (Fixed)
CONCERNS
Upgradeable chests/boots drop rate, durango=24678 (Not changing)
Carving recipes drop rate, Gearsn=24749 (Not changing)
Griffin Feather of Trueflight not usable in bolt or arrow recipes, velk=24756 (not supposed to be)
Ultra Rare leather/gem drop rate for all tiers, Erytheal=25065 (Has been modified)
WO vendor fodder reward prices, DuckOfDeath=24962 (What is the concern)
Attuning Dust prices increased to 15silver, Renpatsu=24987 (Fixed)
Minerologists can decon jewlry but not hammer type weapons, Gearsn=24979 (Not an issue with new decon)
Embersteel Horseshoe Recipe drop rate, Alannah-Shidreth=25039 (Not changing)
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Originally Posted by Linolea
Getting locked out of certain chunks (random every server restart) and having to beg guildies t remove me from them or move me through them by logging into my account (EULA violation I know ... but what am I supposed to do??).
This only seems to affect a smallish %age of the playing population so I doubt they will ever fix it. It is the number one bug that will get me to quit in the end. It was listed on the Top Ten things to fix list since close to release but has never been addressed. In fact I think they even dropped it from the list. I have given up the fight on the official boards because no one gave a fat rat's clacker.
Cheers,
Lin
PS> I am currently locked out of Khal which is expecially annoying...
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Is there anyway you could give more details on this so I can have the code department look into it. They are asking for more info and I am curious as to exaclty what you mean by locking out. |
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